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Thanks for the change. The numbers may look daunting at first glance, but at least it gives us a more honest picture of the problem (and enables us to catch some articles that might never have been repaired otherwise.) I've also been able, so far, to identify about 5,000 articles that could be safely batched into bot jobs because the stub-to-needed-category correspondence was straightforward. I'm confident that over time we'll be able to whittle the list back down to a more manageable number again.

A couple of other questions:

1. Is there, or could there be, a search tool that could be used to generate a batchlist of all uncategorized articles that have a specific word in their titles? For example, sometimes it would be nice to be able to search through the list for "school", which would generate a list of all uncategorized schools so that they can be dealt with as a batch. Or "Arkansas", or "Las Vegas", and on and so forth.
2. In the longer term, if you or anyone else who creates toolserver tools would like a new project, it would be useful to have a separate tool that would list all articles which are categorized only by years of life, and don't have any other categories (excluding stubs, of course) on them — for instance, if a person is only categorized in "(Year) births" and "(Year) deaths", or "(Year) births" and "Living people", etc. Such articles aren't considered uncategorized for Misplaced Pages purposes, but they're not considered properly-categorized either, and generally need to at least have the {{morecat}} template added to them. But I'm just putting that out for consideration in case somebody would like to work on a tool for this purpose; it's not an urgent task and for all I know it may not even be workable.
3. Another possibility, if it's workable, would be a tool which lists all pages outside of articlespace (talk pages, user pages, sandbox drafts, etc.) which are inappropriately filed in articlespace categories. I come across this problem a lot and would like to find a way to make it easier to fix.

Thanks again. Bearcat (talk) 22:20, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi Bearcat. I'm glad the changes are working out for you. This is becoming a very productive collaboration.

1. Definitely doable, my only concern is how long the query would take. I'll look into it.
2. We could do this if we can define a set of "weak" categories. That could be tricky, though. I'm never crazy about hard-coded lists because they require constant maintenance.
3. Sounds interesting. How would you define "articlespace-only" categories?

--JaGa 08:01, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

On the last, a couple of examples would be that a page in userspace should essentially never be filed in any category that doesn't have the words "user" and/or "Wikipedian" in it; a talk page should never be filed in any category that isn't classed as a maintenance category; etc. Bearcat (talk) 01:36, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

TY

TY for the disambiguation in the Ryan Seacrest article, it was bothering me. Kudos! Shalom! DocOfSoc (talk) 23:26, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks much for the note. :) --JaGa 07:44, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Wrongful deletion of entry on "The Slap" by Roger McDonald

Dear JaGa,

I am the author ("blueyonhill") of the article on "The Slap" which you deleted from Misplaced Pages. I am also the author of the novel "The Slap" which the entry described. "The Slap" was published in 1996 but the same title was used by another author in 2008 for a novel, which has either led to some confusion as to the physical reality of "The Slap" or in some peculiar way disqualified the book's factual existence in an on-line encyclopaedia devoted to the tested recording of fact. It may be that there are few references to "The Slap" on the internet, as the internet's role in bibliography and book promotion was minimal in 1996 compared with today. However I assure you that in library holding lists, on bookshop shelves and in the libraries of readers "The Slap" has a verifiable existence.

(----) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blueyonhill (talk • contribs) 22:05, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi Roger. I've no doubt the book exists; it simply hasn't garnered the amount of attention necessary to merit inclusion in the wiki per Misplaced Pages:Notability (books). And the book is mentioned in your own article. --JaGa 22:17, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

You can email me at

blueyonhill@skymesh.com.au

--Blueyonhill 22:44, 19 June 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blueyonhill (talk • contribs)

The Slap by Roger McDonald

"The Slap" has not won a major literary award, but several of my other books have, which in my reading of Misplaced Pages's literary guidelines (point 5) means that my article on "The Slap" could be restored on the grounds that "The book's author is so historically significant that any of his or her written works may be considered notable". Historical in this context relates to my long publishing history, the reality of my existence as a writer in the context of current Australian fiction, and not historically notable in any wider sense, I hasten to modestly stress (otherwise 99% of all authors' mentions would be up for erasure). As an aside, I doubt if you would have examined my entry on "The Slap" as closely as you have, if a 2008 author had not used my 1996 title for a similarly themed book that splash-landed in the internet age with attendant connective links, enough to wipe my proud little novel off your map. However, further to those guidelines, I shall in due course (after exhuming several dusty cartons in storage) supply you with a list of book review references from journals and newspapers establishing the priority of "The Slap" and perhaps saving it from Misplaced Pages oblivion, at least. (I have no doubt it will endure in less virtual contexts)

--Blueyonhill 00:32, 20 June 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blueyonhill (talk • contribs)

You don't need to get my permission; I just nominated the article for deletion and it was approved. I must say, though, I don't agree with the self-promotion going on here. If the book is truly worthy of its own article, it should be getting created by a person without a personal interest in promoting the book. Now, if you want to re-create the article yourself (or re-create using some other account now that you've revealed your identity), I'm not going to get involved, so you don't have to worry about any further interference from myself. Regardless, I hope you choose to respect our COI policy, now that you're aware of it. Thanks, --JaGa 00:51, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

The Slap by Roger McDonald

Apologies, I accept being rapped over the knuckles for self-promotion, an occupational hazard of authors. I do not see myself in that category, being "above that sort of thing", but clearly, from the Misplaced Pages point of view, can hardly escape the judgment. I don't want to pretend to be someone else, so shall mull over your advice with more understanding and appreciation of Misplaced Pages's aims, as best I can.

--Blueyonhill 01:36, 20 June 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blueyonhill (talk • contribs)

Wonderful. I suspected you were a good faith editor, and am very happy to be proved correct. Thanks much. --JaGa 10:31, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi, would you be so kind as to give us support!

Hello, I hope you're doing fine and I sincerely apologize for this intrusion. I've just read your profile and I saw that you're a learned and open-minded person interested in justice and peace so since you support Tibet I think that you understand very well what are a minorized language and culture (even though you can hardly compare because Tibetans have a situation worse than ours...) and maybe I am not bothering you and you will help us... I'm a member of a Catalan association "Amical de la Viquipèdia" which is trying to get some recognition as a Catalan Chapter but this hasn't been approved up to that moment. We would appreciate your support, visible if you stick this on your first page: Wikimedia CAT. Supporting us will be like giving equal opportunity to minorized languages and cultures in the future! Thanks again, keep fighting against injustice and for peace! I wish you a nice, pleasant and warm summer, Capsot (talk) 10:57, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi Capsot. Thanks much for the note. I'll look into it; I'll need to understand the pros and cons thoroughly before I give my support to one side or the other. --JaGa 11:40, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Importing list of disambiguation pages

I would like to pick your brains as an expert in importing lists of disambiguation pages with links. A list is generated on the toolserver of dab articles with links. This list needs to be imported into a page in the yi Misplaced Pages. How does one do this? Many thanks. --Redaktor (talk) 04:50, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, I'm more of a Toolserver specialist, but I would create a bot that has permissions to edit on that wiki (you'll probably have to have it approved) and then use one of the many frameworks (see the table at the end of the section) to write to your page. Personally, I use SxWiki. --JaGa 08:45, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

DAB Challenge Leaderboard Issue

Has not updated in a couple of days now. Just letting you know. Ulric1313 (talk) 07:29, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Yikes! Thanks so much for letting me know. The script had hung up indefinitely. I'll manually update the results for this month (minus the last few days' work, unfortunately). --JaGa 08:50, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Your message

The county name has changed (see and ).

Next time, assume good faith, do some research, and don't be a prick. Thank you and God bless. 98.245.218.103 (talk) 21:14, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

It's a less-than-one-week name change, dude. It doesn't merit a change to the Miami article, it's just a stunt. Research your research. --JaGa 21:17, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Cleanup request

 Done — Malik Shabazz /_Stalk 22:20, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! --JaGa 08:37, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

FYI - Amphitheater Mountain in Yellowstone is in Wyoming not California

--Mike Cline (talk) 14:17, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Whoops. --JaGa 15:10, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

about Milena (disambiguation)

Hi JaGa

Thank you for your message (see my talk page).

Although your reasons, which are good, I would oppose converting back Milena article. In my opinion personal name like Milena (which became international) is too important to be overshadowed by a small Italian comune. I'm just cleaning up mess with Slavic names and I've alredy had some similar cases (see: Dobromir, Radomir). So please leave the article unchanged (or do something with links).

Thanks in advance and regards!

Wojgniew (talk) 12:52, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Actually, you should fix them per WP:FIXDABLINKS, but I'm going to request a move. --JaGa 14:27, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

RE: Vélez Sársfield

Hi JaGa. As it looked to be a hard job I left it for today. Yesterday I was on an Argentine football team's update cruzade. Don't worry, that page will be clean by the end of today, otherwise I'll whip myself on a public forum as punishment (?). Regards. Fache (talk) 11:31, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the smile. Cheers! :D --JaGa 11:32, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Moves and User:Schwyz

Hope you don't mind me mentioning the ANI thread. I was going to start an ANI thread purely to get more eyes on it (as the requested moves talk page doesn't get much traffic) and then realised there already was a thread, so it seemed to make sense to combine everything into one place. Dpmuk (talk) 12:07, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Not at all. I was going to post there at first, but they smacked the first guy that did, so I wasn't sure what to do. Like you said, I believe he's in good faith, we just need a review. --JaGa 12:51, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Having looked through his talk page I've no realised at least 8 separate editors have raised concerns about their moves. I've raised that point at ANI and we'll see what happens, but at the moment I'm prepared to discuss things with them and wait to see if they do it again. If so I definitely think a new ANI thread will be in order. Dpmuk (talk) 13:00, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Given this edit, what are your views on an WP:RFC/U. Although I find their moves worrying I find their lack of willingness to discuss them even more so. They've accused me of harassment and ordered me of their talk page and now accused you of a personal attack (completely unwarranted in my opinion - you were just raising a reasonable concern). They seem to have a very weird view of what harassment and personal attacks are and are using it as a way to avoid people questioning their actions. Dpmuk (talk) 09:24, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi Dpmuk. While I appreciate your support, and believe you have handled this well, I'm going to back off from this. I was very disappointed to be accused of attacks, though. When the "Request for a move review" and ANI were more or less ignored, I took that as a message that others do not share our concerns. If we push too hard, we're liable to get smacked ourselves. So I'm going to let it go. --JaGa 09:38, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough. I find ANI a very weird place, if something doesn't obviously require admin intervention they won't do anything. Even when I've had a broad consensus and only one person disagreeing they've not done anything against that person changing things to their POV because it's a content dispute and it appears that no matter what happens in a content dispute it won't be considered disruptive and so not worthy of ANI. In my opinion that leaves little choice but RfC/U. That said I understand you're point of view and will see if anyone else will certify with me. Dpmuk (talk) 11:57, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

JaGa, you can find at Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Dpmuk_-_Harassment why I perceived your recent post on my talk as WP:HAR. I fix lots of links, but you say you never have seen me fix a single one. See also Wikipedia_talk:Disambiguation#WP:FIXDABLINKS_-_Code_of_honor. Schwyz (talk) 12:46, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

In view of this comment at ANI I'm wondering whether you've changed your mind. No problems if not. I've got a draft, not yet complete RfC/U here. I'd be happy to make changes to make sure anyone co-certifying with me is happy. Dpmuk (talk) 16:52, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

If anything, the "I'm the victim" ANI attempt has encouraged me to certify; it shows he isn't interested in collaboration and is instead willing to cynically work the system to have his way. It was very disappointing, as I think he's an good faith editor who just needs to accept collaboration and consensus, even if it slows progress a bit. I'll drop a note on his talk page asking him to give proper WikiProject notice before attempting mass moves (assuming he isn't doing this already - I haven't been watching him). If he rejects it, or accepts it and doesn't change his ways, I'll certify. --JaGa 09:10, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Now taken live at Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Schwyz as another user has said they'd certify and given that user's are now asking for blocks at ANI I think it's best to get on top of this as soon as possible. As this has been started earlier than you'd have liked I entirely understand if you don't wish to certify. Dpmuk (talk) 10:48, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Re: Hamilton West

Hi JaGa - you wrote Hi, I see you've made Hamilton West into a disambiguation page. Per WP:FIXDABLINKS, could you clean up the links that now point to the disambig? Thanks.

I cleaned up the 80 or so links pointing to all of the pages other than to the Canadian electoral district manually at the same time as I made the change; for the remainder I put in a bot request, which is in the process of being dealt with. I'm surprised it hasn't been done yet - I made the request within a handful of minutes of turning the page into a dab page. If it has not yet been done, I suggest you take it up with WP:Bot requests. Grutness...wha? 11:02, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I could've done that - there are some great tools for work like this. But I'll leave it to the botmaster. If they don't end up doing it, could you let me know? If all the dablinks need to be changed to point to a single destination, it's like a 5-10 minute job. Cheers! --JaGa 11:08, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

OK - thanks for that - I'll remember if I find any more that need doing like this. Hopefully the bot will clear this soon... if it's not done in a couple of days I'll let you know. Cheers! Grutness...wha? 22:47, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Toolserver Error Notice

Database connection error. Please try again later.

Unknown database 'u_jason' Database connection error: Unknown database 'u_jason' Ulric1313 (talk) 16:27, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Looks like everything's OK now. Must've been a blip. Thanks much for the notification - sometimes I get caught up in other things, and don't notice an outage for a while. --JaGa 23:25, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Self-knowledge

I believe I have fixed the issue you alerted me of, regarding links to a disambig page. I moved the original to the *_(disambiguation) page, and then created a new main topic article. Please check this out and see if this is acceptable. -- Bill Huston 02:59, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

ANI

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Fences&Windows 13:56, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice. I'll watch it, but all in all I'll let my edit history do the talking. --JaGa 14:57, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Melincourt

Hi. Thanks for your message. I don't think there are many links to the disambiguation page; User:M-le-mot-dit fixed most of them by editing the Haute-Saône communes template here. "What links here" looks as though its giving false positive results in this instance (does it lag behind?). I'd be happy to fix the ones which are left, but unfortunately I can't tell which are - do you know if there's any way to force the "What links here" results to update? SP-KP (talk) 17:18, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Another quick request

As you may know, I've lately been doing a much more systematic "categorize or tag everything" run through the uncategorized articles list, but that's brought up a new issue (albeit one that should be easily fixable.)

The background is that SoxBot is programmed to remove the uncat template from articles which are already categorized — but according to its maintainer, User:X! there's currently a system limitation whereby the bot can't differentiate between content categories and hidden ones, meaning that it sometimes untags articles whose only categories are hidden maintenance groupings like Category:Year of birth missing that don't actually count toward whether an article is considered categorized. And then I retag those same articles again the next day, and then Soxbot untags them again, and on and so forth.

For the time being, my workaround has been to use {{morecat}} instead if the article has hidden categories on it, because SoxBot doesn't remove that, but then those articles reappear on the untagged list again the next day anyway. So could you double check whether the uncat list recognizes {{morecat}} as a tag for the purposes of distinguishing between tagged and untagged articles? Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 23:10, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Seems easy enough. Would you want the uncat list to exclude any article that is already tagged with {{morecat}}? Or just mark them as tagged? --JaGa 20:11, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Your harassment

I leave the project. Too much harassment and stalking. I did like to do disambiguation work, fixing lots of wrong incoming links to ambiguous article titles etc. Hope the stalkers can have a nice party now. ADIOS! Schwyz (talk) 10:56, 13 August 2010 (UTC)