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AIV report

Regarding your AIV report, I don't think these contributions are vandalism. Problematic, perhaps, but not vandalism.  Frank  |  talk  17:03, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Mess up

This was actually an attempt to make things neater; it's much shorter.  Frank  |  talk  17:42, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Oh, okay. It only shows when one is editing, though, so it makes no difference when viewing the actual talk page. - Donald Duck (talk) 17:43, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Not quite true; check out the difference between this and this. The first (with the little arrow icon) usually indicates either an external site or a diff.  Frank  |  talk  17:54, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

They're both the same link. - Donald Duck (talk) 17:58, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes they are, but they look different on-screen. Users expect the first one, with the arrow, to point to a diff or an external site; the second one, with no arrow, is clearly meant to be an intra-wiki link. Again - it's subtle. No big deal. (And personally, I always try to type fewer characters if I can!)  Frank  |  talk  18:02, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, I've still got no idea what you're referring to, but if you really want to help, be my guest. =)

• http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Donald_Duck
• http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Donald_Duck/2009
• http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Donald_Duck/2010
• http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Donald_Duck/Archive_menu

- Donald Duck (talk) 18:06, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Here's a clearer example, hopefully:

If you look on screen at what is printed below "external" and "internal" in the table above, the two pieces of text look different. The first one (external) has an arrow to the right of it, that usually indicates an external link or a diff. The second one is a "regular" link to an internal page on Misplaced Pages. There's another difference: if you hold your mouse over the two links, they behave differently. For example, the second one pops up a balloon right under the link when you hover over it; the first one doesn't. It is true that both go to exactly the same place, and that if you look in the status bar of your browser, the link will show the exact same for both, but the visual cue to the user is different between the two.

Does that explain it any better?  Frank  |  talk  18:24, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it does. Go ahead and feel free to fix all that up for me. =) - Donald Duck (talk) 18:57, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't necessarily need "fixing" but you now know another way which may be easier.  Frank  |  talk  21:21, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Floyd Mayweather, Jr.

Could you please check to see if you meant to purposefully rollback this? NW (Talk) 19:23, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

"Kerela"

Hello. As you are undoubtedly aware, Kerela (or Kerala) as a word is foreign to the Latin alphabet, being written in Malayalam script originally. Therefore, the word can be romanised in different ways. The spelling Kerela is used by many people and companies; so it is justified to make this page a disambugation page. (Please see: ; many more examples available..) Infact, the "Kerela" in Mali does not even feature on the first five pages of Google Search! I hope you understand my stance; that it is only right for a disambugation page to be added. Indeed, it doesn't cause any harm at all.. --92.8.198.159 (talk) 20:17, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Rv on my talkpage?

Thanks for watching my talkpage, but this probably isn't necessary, since I think this editor is contributing in good faith. Tim Vickers (talk) 19:15, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. However, that was a slip-up on my part. Sorry about that. - Donald Duck (talk) 19:48, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

No problem, keep up the good work. Tim Vickers (talk) 20:04, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

User:Original Red Boyz

How is adding a db-spam tag considered an attack? 69.181.249.92 (talk) 01:33, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Still waiting for a response... 69.181.249.92 (talk) 01:32, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

And still waiting... 69.181.249.92 (talk) 19:47, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Use of minor edit

Hi there. Please remember to mark your edits as "minor" only if they truly are minor edits. In accordance with Help:Minor edit, a minor edit is one that the editor believes requires no review and could never be the subject of a dispute. Minor edits consist of things such as typographical corrections, formatting changes, or rearrangement of text without modification of content. Thanks, 117Avenue (talk) 14:48, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Miniature Mentor

Regarding your revert of Miniature Mentor and warning issued to the editor User:Taskmaster101, instead of reverting him for blanking the page, you should re-tag the article as {{db-author}} since he is the only author. Warning him about blanking his own page is also unnecessary. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 20:27, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

The Best (song)

A 'final warning' for a dispute over content? 90.207.105.117 (talk) 21:31, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

I see, perhaps you could explain why other editors removing content to do with this song did not receive 'final warnings' as well? Thanks, 90.207.105.117 (talk) 21:37, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry to butt in, but I just gave a 3RR warning to the other editor in the edit war (Monkeymanman (talk · contribs)) at The Best (song). —C.Fred (talk) 21:39, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Language

Good evening, I wrote her a replica of the English as I can. So it complies with the rules? Mistery Spectre (talk) 21:51, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

It's fine. If English isn't your best language to work with, then just do the best that you can. - Donald Duck (talk) 21:53, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

User talk:Taskmaster101

A new editor blanking a new article they've created is not a reason to issue a warning. Instead tag it with {{db-author}}. Kindly rescind the warning you left the editor. 69.181.249.92 (talk) 22:36, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm beginning to wonder if you ever admit to and/or correct mistakes you've made in warning editors. 69.181.249.92 (talk) 19:47, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

I've reverted myself. - Donald Duck (talk) 04:39, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of RJ Murray

How did my page attack an entity at all and if so what did it attack.(Mcmaster108 (talk) 03:22, 6 August 2010 (UTC))

Sorry

those were accidents —Preceding unsigned comment added by MetalShark (talk • contribs) 00:11, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

What page did I vandalize?

You said: http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk%3aLow-alcohol_beer?diff=378447582 was vandalising? How is it vandalising? I consider it relevant and would like contributers to explain to me how it isn't. 71.51.50.38 (talk) 23:35, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Please see WP:PN. - Donald Duck (talk) 23:39, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

I didn't post random characters (like asdfghjkl) and I'm pretty sure what I posted was fairly staightforward. But I'm glad (sarcasm) that my contributions have been called Patent Nonsense by another contributer. That didn't answer my question. I seriously want someone to answer why it is that people think religious people can't drink alcohol. It was a question that I had hoped would be answered by a quick link to a section of the article, but I wasn't. My english isn't the best so maybe that's why people think it's nonsense. But I guess I'm not welcome in an english encyclopedia. 71.51.50.38 (talk) 23:46, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Reversions at Moorish Science Temple of America

Hi, the MSTA article is one I have on my watchlist, and I noticed your recent reversions of massive inappropriate material by User:Moorishscience7. I totally agree that the info needs to remain out of the article, but I don't think the templated Huggle messages to the user are helping. I can completely understand why a new user would be trying to add this information, because I'm sure that it seems to them to be important information that the world "needs to know." Of course, the problem is that WP isn't the place for soapboxing, or however we want to describe these edits. But I think someone needs to explain this to him/her (in non-templated form). I would be happy to do so myself, but I don't want to go to his page and make it sound like I'm just contradicting you. Do you think you might be willing to make some sort of explanation, or, if you prefer, let me do it? Qwyrxian (talk) 23:43, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Sure, go for it. - Donald Duck (talk) 23:45, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

"Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for deletion/Computer 2000"

Please feel free to delete this page. I blanked it as my comment was posted there in error. Fiedorczuk (talk) 17:07, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk page for user HHHH.

Hey, why did you revert a change I made to the talk page in correspondence to Misplaced Pages guidelines when requesting to usurp a user? I will add the notification ({subst:usurpation requested}) again otherwise I will not be even considered for the usurpation. --Hellahulla (talk) 13:26, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

RE: 18.09.2010 Yakuts article edition

The article was renamed without vandalising intends. A proposal to rename it was on the article's discussion page for more than a year. Please revert your reversion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.49.163.21 (talk) 06:35, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

What am I doing wrong?

I understand that I have made the mistake of incorporating links that are promotional. When I try to fix it, you say I am vandalizing... What am I doing wrong exactly —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drobbere (talk • contribs) 15:51, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

ANI notice

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is User:Donald Duck behavior. Thank you. --elektrikSHOOS 17:42, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

John Edwards II

I had re-instated previous facts removed about John Edwards II. I assumed they were factual and needed to be re-added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.214.85.60 (talk) 20:08, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Your recent Huggle Revert

Hello! It seems you reverted an edit at WP:AfC using Huggle. First off, Huggle is a very powerful tool, and you should use it carefuly. You reverted this edit as blanking page content with no reason. The original creator of this page, is the person who blanked the content. I have reverted your edit, and marked the page as {{db-blanked}}, showing the author requested deletion by blanking the page. Please don't revert blanks in AfC, as we do blank articles from time to time, and so do the original authors! Thanks! ANowlin 05:39, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Please don't treat me like I'm stupid. I've used Huggle for a long time. - Donald Duck (talk) 05:53, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

And it looks like you've been abusing it. I very strongly suggest you participate at WP:ANI#User:Donald Duck behavior which you were alerted to earlier, you should have a say in your possible future at Misplaced Pages. -- Atama頭 16:27, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

I have not been abusing it. Everyone, including myself, make mistakes sometimes when using Huggle. Please don't accuse me of such things. - Donald Duck (talk) 17:02, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Ramananda Chatterjee

I have declined your G7 speedy on this - the user who blanked it was not its creator, or even the creator of the article. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 15:56, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about that. This doesn't happen all the time, but some people get after me for reverting and giving said person a "huggleblank" warning instead of tagging said page with G7, while others, like you, get after me for tagging it with G7. - Donald Duck (talk) 16:59, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with Huggle, but with a blanked page it really is necessary to look at the history to know what to do. Certainly it goes wrong the other way, too; I had to apologise yesterday to an unfortunate newbie who submitted an un-notable article, saw it tagged A7, blanked it, and then was reverted three times by one bot and two humans, ending up with a #3 warning and threat of block - about as BITEy as one could get. Not surprisingly the newbie has not edited since. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 17:08, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

I usually do that, but I will do it even more in the future. Thanks for the message. - Donald Duck (talk) 17:10, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Care please

Hello Donald Duck. Please be careful when using Huggle; this edit you recently reverted as vandalism was not vandalism and there was no justification for thinking it was. At worst it was a factual mistake; as it happens it was not a mistake and you reinserted a falsehood - as can be plainly seen from the BBC source provided. Thanks for patrolling recent changes but remember that it is not permitted to use Huggle for this kind of disputed content. CIreland (talk) 16:42, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Sherman Theater

Hello. You posted that a link I placed on the Sherman Theater page was inappropriate. How so? It was a newspaper article that featured Footloose the Musical at the Theater. I am in no way employed by the newspaper, I was not involved in the musical show as an actor or crewmember, I merely placed the link there to verify that the musical had, in actuality, taken place at the theater. I consider it an extremely valid reference. Please explain why you flagged it. Timandjean (talk) 21:11, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

I've reverted myself. - Donald Duck (talk) 21:29, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Your edit at Praful Bidwai and your use of warning templates

You should attempt to understand what vandalism is and is not. The edit you reverted was a simple rephrasing. Also your level 3 vandalism warning was incorrect as this was not vandalism. Your response to a question on your talk page was uncivil and uncalled for. Posting a query on an editor's talk page is standard Misplaced Pages practice. Might I suggest that you read the five pillars and act in a more civil and collaborative way in future. I note that your behaviour is currently being discussed at WP:ANI#User:Donald Duck behavior. I have added further comments about your behaviour there. Jezhotwells (talk) 14:03, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Your actions have also been raised at WP:EAR#Threats from Editor. Jezhotwells (talk) 14:26, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Might I also suggest that you act in accordance with the civility message at the top of your own talk page. Jezhotwells (talk) 14:30, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

This happened August 12th; there's no reason to bring it up now. - Donald Duck (talk) 14:31, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

There is every reason. Your warnings were spurious and should be struck through. Jezhotwells (talk) 14:53, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

There you go. - Donald Duck (talk) 14:55, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, please be careful with future use of Huggle or perhaps try using Twinkle instead. Jezhotwells (talk) 15:45, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Aloha ʻOe

Liliuokalani's music console was designed around Aloha Oe and displays the earliest known depiciton of the song. The ebay page is for research. It has had a unobatainable purchase price (21mil) and has been up for almost 3 years. It's discovery is rewriting history and I would like to add it to other Misplaced Pages sites such as Shapland & Petter furniture, The Overthrow, etc. Jfaycook (talk) 01:28, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

E-Bay is an inappropriate website according to WP:EL. - Donald Duck (talk) 01:36, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Should I start a[REDACTED] page titled "Queen Liliuokalani's music console" and just transfer all the stuff from Ebay (execpt a sale price) to wikipedia? Jfaycook (talk) 01:41, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

I suggest reading what WP:EL says. If you still can't figure it out, I suggest that you seek assistance from a more experienced external link editor. - Donald Duck (talk) 01:46, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Inconsistent editing of pages

Page: Casa Grande, Az And how am I posting inappropriate links? Here is what currently exists on the page and see my notes after each: Business

• Red-Tail Books your local bookstore (ADVERTISING A BOOKSTORE)
• Francisco Grande Hotel & Golf Resort (ADVERTISING A HOTEL)
• Round Trip Bike Shop (ADVERTISING A BIKE SHOP)
• Church of Christ (ADVERTISING RELIGION)
• Grace Church (ADVERTISING RELIGION)
• North Trekell Southern Baptist Church (ADVERTISING RELIGION)

If you don't want businesses under BUSINESS - why does the category exist?

You also deleted my post for KCAB-LP under news - yet there is a wikipage for the television station. If the local newspaper (Dispatch) can be linked under News, why can't the television station?

News

• Casa Grande Dispatch- Casa Grande's source for news and advertising since 1913
• CG Times aka Central AZ Times- Casa Grande's Hometown News and Writer's Forum
• Casa Grande is the home of the first Jehovah's Witness Assembly Hall

The deletions of my entries seem to indicate selective following of the rules. Either add the two entries I made or delete all the others for violating the rules I supposedly violated. 65.118.188.113 (talk) 06:13, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

I reverted your edits per WP:EL. - Donald Duck (talk) 06:39, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

ANI deletion

Any particular reason to delete my comment here. OK it wasn't substantive and is no great loss, but still ....--Snowded 20:35, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

It was due to a weird edit conflict thing. - Donald Duck (talk) 21:01, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough - just checking it wasn't purposeful! --Snowded 21:05, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

ISFOM

Thank you Donald Duck. I am new to wiki - so pardon my errors for they are not intentional. INSOM is about the Organization and Orthomolecular Medical Practices. I will do many edits to comply with all wiki rules. DrJaganVaman (talk) 22:19, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Hey, no problem. If you want, I can create a sandbox for you so you can do testing. - Donald Duck (talk) 22:37, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Dump Truck

Hi. You reverted my edit to Dump Truck with the edit summary "Page does not exist." so I thought you should know the fact that a page does not exist is not a good reason to delete links to the page. See Misplaced Pages:Red link. 68.167.224.215 (talk) 22:20, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

I saw that you created the page, so I have no further objections. Happy editing! - Donald Duck (talk) 22:23, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

I understand. I apologize for the revert and will be more careful in the future. Happy editing! - Donald Duck (talk) 03:09, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Huggle

I have removed your use of huggle for 6 months, for reasons discussed at the AN/I. If after that you wish to use it, please be very careful, because, if you misuse it again, I shall remove it permanently. DGG ( talk ) 03:18, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

The issue was resolved. I haven't made any bad reverts / edits today, except for a couple, but I manually reverted with those instead of using Huggle. I've brought up concerns of your unfair decision here. - Donald Duck (talk) 03:24, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

I pointed to a downright bad use of Huggle on the 22nd. In your message to Atama you said "Excepts for a couple of mistakes today, which I corrected in a timely manner (not really disruptive), I've improved," In my view, & it seems his, 2 careless mistakes a day is reason to refrain from using automated methods. I consider what I did the minimum appropriate response, in reply to a proposal to block you totally for an indefinite period, which I thought excessive, as did Atama. What you now need to do is to show that you can edit properly manually. Myself, I do almost all my work manually; I did not even consider automation for a year or two after I joined. DGG ( talk ) 16:59, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Another administrator suggested that after making good reverts for a month to come back to you and see if you'd be willing to re-enable Huggle, which I plan on doing with Twinkle. I do think, however, that six months is a bit much. This is only the second time Huggle's been removed from me, so I think probably two or three months would have been more fair. I would say 48 hours, but I'm not sure if removing a tool from somebody falls under the same category as blocking IP addresses (Ex: 24 hours, then 48 hours, then 72 hours, etc.) I'm a little upset, though, that in your last reply at AN/I you accused me of misusing Huggle on Frankie Muniz. You must have taken a look at the next edit, because, if you did, you would have seen that I reverted the wrong article, resulting in me reverting my revert. Sure, it was a mistake (it probably wasn't a good time to make mistakes considering the situation), but you accused me of misusing Huggle there. - Donald Duck (talk) 17:09, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Something to consider

Hi Donald Duck

I have followed your career on Misplaced Pages, as well as the latest brouhaha at AN/I. Here are a couple of observations and a piece of unsolicited advice.

• Editors don't have "rights" per se. Editors, rather, have obligations to follow policies and guidelines (including behavioral ones). When editors' conduct is deemed by the community to be more of a net cost than benefit, the community removes various privileges (for various time periods) from those editors. The community (through an administrator) has made a determination in your case in the manner.
• You seem to complain a lot about other editors conduct without considering your own. In particular, you act as though WP:NOTBATTLEGROUND, WP:CIVIL and WP:DICK don't apply to you, while treating anything close to an infraction by another editor towards you as a capital offense.
• You might consider what your objectives are in Misplaced Pages. People who strive to improve the project do well here. People who want to get recognition, prove a point, exercise their rights, etc. tend to either burn out or be sanctioned by the community.

Regards, _matic 04:48, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. It's greatly appreciated. I was actually worried when I saw the new message tag that this was a block notice. I don't believe I've ever thought Misplaced Pages's rules didn't apply to me here. I do think that DGG removing my Huggle "obligations" was unfair. Other editors, mostly unregistered, accused me of continuing my disruptive behavior when, in fact, I didn't, and that's why DGG removed my Huggle usage, which doesn't make sense. If you happen to decide to take a look at it, that'd be great, but I don't expect you to. If I can't get them back, six months will a long and tough time. I have Twinkle, but I have to use Mozilla for that, which I don't really like. I'm more fond of Internet Explorer 8. However, the good side to Twinkle is that one can study edits more closely when thinking of reverting. Anyway, thanks for the message. I actually feel like most of the people from my discussion hate me. Also, sorry if I'm even a burden to you. - Donald Duck (talk) 04:56, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Twinkle works great with Google Chrome. I don't imagine editors here hate you. Rather, I think they find it unbelievably frustrating that you have such a warped view of your behavior versus that of other editors, and keep espousing double standards of editor conduct. By acknowledging in a more forthright manner your own mistakes, and not always trying to justify them by reference to other people's behavior--either the substance of their edits or the manner in which they address you--you would probably generate much less ill will. _matic 05:04, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

I actually tried that, but I couldn't figure out how to get multiple homepage tabs to work -- unless it's like Internet Explorer 6 where only one website could be visited on each separate window. - Donald Duck (talk) 05:09, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

I intended my restriction to apply to any automated tools, including Twinkle, and I will say so at AN/I. When you do start again, I agree with you it would be much better to use Twinkle than Huggle. It works fine in Safari, which, along with Chrome, are the two fastest browsers for Misplaced Pages DGG ( talk ) 17:08, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Okay, now that really is unfair. I didn't misuse Twinkle. Last time I got Huggle taken away, I was still allowed to use Twinkle so I could improve and the administrator didn't want to take any more priviledges away. - Donald Duck (talk) 17:13, 23 August 2010 (UTC)