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page with the most featured article relevance in other languages

hello,

do you know a "rating system" where i can find pages with the most featured article relevance in other languages? for example mars, its has an unbelivable number of 13 featured article in other languages. or this:Dürer's Rhinoceros. almost all wikipedias give this a featured star. it is on 17 wikipedias and has 9 featured stars, thats 9/17 so its an average of 52,941176470588235294117647058824 %. i hope you understand me what i want to say.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 20:18, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Tanks

Thanks for giving me his welcome. You were very kind. Augusto Antonio (talk) 14:29, 17 August 2010 (CEST)

Regarding Misplaced Pages editors participating in Misplaced Pages Review

Hi Jimbo. Was wondering about this (other viewers of this page are welcome to comment also, of course).

Do comments made at Misplaced Pages Review exist, for the purpose of Misplaced Pages?

(A lot of this would apply to other sites too, but I am narrowing the question to Misplaced Pages Review for the moment.) I asked a few people about this, and most everyone agreed that in the case of true emergency -- such as an outing, a threat of violence, or a suicide threat -- it'd be ridiculous to pretend they don't exist. But what about in other cases? Opinion seems mixed.

Now there is is this: Misplaced Pages:Linking to external harassment, and Antandrus at User:Antandrus/observations on Misplaced Pages behavior has something to say about the matter. But both of these basically offer tactical advice: posts at external sites should be ignored because 1) you can't do anything about them, and 2) trying to will only encourage them and raise your stress level to no purpose. Well this is all well and good when applied to oneself, when applied to another editor, it is basically advice to look the other way and cross the street, which seems cowardly. And I also think we're supposed to ignore Misplaced Pages Review, but for various reasons this is becoming less possible.

Let me give an extreme-case example: Editor XYZ edits at Misplaced Pages and at Misplaced Pages Review, and there is no question that they are the same person because he allows that it's true. Let's say Misplaced Pages Editor ABC has, for some reason, willingly revealed his true identity. Suppose Editor ABC has a disfigured teenage daughter, as can be seen on Facebook. Suppose Editor XYZ posts jeering comments about his daughter's appearance. If he does this on Misplaced Pages, he'd be banned (I assume). But suppose he does it on Misplaced Pages Review. Would Misplaced Pages editors (including Editor ABC) be required to pretend these posts don't exist, and continue to engage in collegial give-and-take with this person on other issues?

Granted this is an extreme example, but it's not an emergency. Unless there's a cogent argument otherwise, it seems to me that, short of the emergency situations described above, either posts at Misplaced Pages Review exist or they don't. So less-extreme examples would all either exist, or not. I think a case-by-case determination of existence would not be defensible (e.g., it would reasonable to say "No non-emergency external posts exist" or "Posts A and B both exist, but Post B is not so bad, so let's disregard it", but not reasonable to say "Post A is pretty bad, so it exists, but Post B is not so bad, so it doesn't exist").

I also realize that a Misplaced Pages editor can post anywhere off-wiki under a different identity. And of course there is the question of someone assuming another person's identity. And so forth. But again, these are technical issue. My question is is one of right: assuming no question of mistaken identity, do Wikipedians have the right to post basically anything (excluding the true emergencies described above) about other Misplaced Pages editors off-Wiki and remain in good standing here?

Although I have an opinion, either way is at least defensible. It would be reasonable to say "Barring true emergencies, external posts do not exist (and therefore Wikipedians can say whatever they want on external sites)" for tactical reasons, such as a fear of drama, or for ideological reasons ("It's a free world and a free internet"). As long as what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. I don't care as much about the answer as getting an answer, and I propose to continue gathering community input on the question. Thank you for your time and consideration, Herostratus (talk) 00:25, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Clarification questions: How could anyone be sure some name is truly the same person on both websites? If people say they are the same Elvis, or President Clinton, on both websites, when could that be a joke? Does the other website ensure 1-person usage? If the other website allows intruders to post under another user's name, and not allow unposting by the real user, the hate-post could be a permanent fake. Also, if they act hateful over there, they might also act in jest. Remember, the absolute identity of the person must be proven beforehand (not "Nerf Smith" v. "Nerf Smithy"), otherwise, any conclusion could be wrong, as warned in Argument from false premises. There are many chances for mistaken judgment. -Wikid77 (talk) 12:14, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

"Proven" is too strong. But many editors clearly acknowledge that they edit "over (t)here" under the same name, and for others there is sufficient evidence that it would be unreasonable to withhold the assumption of identity absent strong evidence to the contrary. I agree that a mere match of user names is neither sufficient nor necessary. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 14:30, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Do comments made at Misplaced Pages Review exist, for the purpose of Misplaced Pages? Herostratus, ontology is not a black-and-white issue. You might as well ask if red is black or white. - WAS 4.250 (talk) 13:55, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

The subject of WR has come up recently on one of the Climate Change pages and then on ChrisO's user page. My concern is with outside websites generally and I see two potential problems. One is that administrators/arbitrators/others in authority may make comments indicating prejudice on issues they're dealing with as administrators or arbitrators. For example, one of the administrators who is claiming "uninvolvement" in the CC pages recently posted negatively on an active CC editor at WR. This is a problem for that administrator as much as anyone, as it undermines his case that he is unbiased. The second potential problem is worse, which is use of outside websites to circumvent Misplaced Pages canvassing rules, to encourage participation on one side of a dispute. ScottyBerg (talk) 14:48, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

There seems to be an implicit and not terribly subtle suggestion that there are agreed "emergency" cases wherein off-wiki statements become actionable on-wiki. I do not believe there is any such agreement. Certainly the case of off-wiki outing has been encountered many times before with very mixed results. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 17:14, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

As I recall, there was an arbcom case involving intelligent design where editors were held to have responsibility for off-wiki outing of other editors or similarly heinous actions, but were not required to maintain normal on-wiki standards of civility in off-wiki comments about other wiki editors. Someone will no doubt be able to find it in the archives. . . dave souza, talk 19:32, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, if someone can find that case, that'd be a good starting point if we want this to get off the ground. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 01:09, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Barry Kort (a.k.a Moulton) has spent the last few years experimenting with exactly where this line is. You could do worse than to start with http://en.wikiversity.org/Wikimedia_Ethics/Moulton,_JWSchmidt's_investigation . - WAS 4.250 (talk) 16:59, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

The case dave souza is referring to may be this: Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Intelligent Design, where there were statements such as "I see harassment by a large group of editors linked to Misplaced Pages Review" but also "Editors who have posted to Misplaced Pages Review have very reasonably objected to being described as... 'Misplaced Pages Review members'" Herostratus (talk) 17:08, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Question

What made you decide not to run advertisements on Misplaced Pages rather than make millions of dollars doing so? Battleaxe9872 22:05, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Your question assume facts not in evidence. Yes, this site, as it is now, could garner millions in advertising, but had there been advertising at some earlier point of development, many editors, such as myself, would not volunteer hundreds of hours to help improve the site. If you ask then, why not now, I am sure hundreds of editors will tell you that it wouldn't be pretty if such an ingrained cultural decision were reversed.--SPhilbrickT 22:20, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Agree. And whether the Jimbo would get a piece of the millions today is a better question. Plus there are associated costs in having ads and millions of dollars arent what they used to be, nor is advertising on the web always a guarenteed source of profit, not every site is Google, even Facebook's accounts are in question as they have yet to issue an IPO and I would assume if they are not making a profit then neither would Misplaced Pages (and my opinion is that Facebook doesnt make as much as people think and that is why the IPO hasnt happened).Camelbinky (talk) 22:33, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

• There is also the problem of extremely slow response time with sidebar adverts (many of them animated now). Even though many Internet connections are 50-70x times faster than dial-up, today's "mega-magazine webpages" seem 100-200x more complex: net result = webpages with ads are 20-50x times slower than Misplaced Pages? Google and Misplaced Pages are some of the few websites which still have lightning-fast response time (except for huge navboxes). -Wikid77 (talk) 23:58, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Read between the lines of Enciclopedia Libre Universal en Español. Somebody apparently brought up the subject of advertisements, and a considerable portion of a wiki's community left en masse. I'll not name the somebody :-). --SB_Johnny |  20:44, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

It is reaffirmed by Jinbo

You kept silent the question. It is thought that the silence agreed positively.Do you abandon the authority of Misplaced Pages?　Is it agreed that the authority of Misplaced Pages Foundation is not applied to Misplaced Pages Japanese?Do you approve it for a domain donation? It is your responsibility that makes an excuse. Japanese community is thought that you approved them. You should announce the excuse in Misplaced Pages Japanese.--山吹色の御菓子 (talk) 12:44, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

You already got a reply from Jimbo here. The discussion was moved to the archives to make place for new discussions. --Enric Naval (talk) 15:37, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Japanese community was resolved by the answer.The remark of Jinbo was translated by sysop. "Jinbo does not participate in Misplaced Pages Japanese". "I am not interested in Misplaced Pages Japanese". User_talk:Jimbo_Wales/Archive_63#Annulment_declaration_of_Wikipedia.27s_principles_and_Wikipedia:Policies_and_guidelines_in_Japanese_edition_3--山吹色の御菓子 (talk) 17:24, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

I am very interested in Japanese Misplaced Pages. I am unable to read Japanese and therefore unable to participate directly. That is not the same as "not interested". I requested that several Japanese Wikipedians contact me separately to explain what I am being asked, because I really do not understand what you are saying. For example, when you talk about a "domain donation" I do not know what you mean.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 17:27, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

A trademark of "wikipedia" is used for the e-mail address of ja:Misplaced Pages:Info-ja　info-ja@wikipedia.jp.Jimbo contributes the trademark of "Misplaced Pages" or does the use permission. The person in charge of ja:Misplaced Pages:Info-ja possesses negotiation rights, and can protect the modification and the page of the content of the description. They disclose a use history and the IP address of each user to the police organization.--山吹色の御菓子 (talk) 04:46, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Your thoughts requested

Hey there :) I'm writing something approaching a dissertation on the future of the web as we know it, politically, philosophically and economically, briefly covering a few of the major disagreements on what things will/should be like. One section is devoted to free culture and copyleft, etc; another is on freedom of speech (others are on net neutrality and paywalling). Since I have such good links with Misplaced Pages, being an admin and all, and I get bonus marks for going out and getting (not necessarily new) information myself, I thought it would be a pity if I didn't at least try to get a soundbite from you of some description. Whilst I would appreciate your thoughts on, well, anything related, a particular focus could be the difference between freedom of speech and the "free" of Misplaced Pages (as this applies to the recent "Wiki"leaks débâcle? Just a thought). A few sentences would be absolutely top notch. Regards, - Jarry1250  18:24, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, it did also occur to me that this request is not particularly talk page material, but I didn't think much harm could come of it. - Jarry1250  18:46, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

For sale?

Hi there. I'd like to buy Misplaced Pages; how much do you want for it? Tom (talk) 01:43, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Pointless; Misplaced Pages is already free, although not without value- and I think that that is the distinction you are missing. Rodhullandemu 01:51, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

I am prepared to be exceptionally generous with my offer though. Tom (talk) 02:07, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

I think the going price is about $1,696,268,500,000 (about $500,000 per article), so not cheap. There's also all the royalties you'll need to pay to all the article authors on top of that. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 05:07, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

I demand compensation damn it!! Hell In A Bucket (talk) 05:26, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

I'll give you £270,000 and a multipack bag of walker's crisps. If we can complete the deal within two weeks, I'll throw in a pair of K-Swiss trainers. Tom (talk) 11:05, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Jimbo, Walkers crisps are a savoury snack and not an exclusive brand of sports footwear; I think you are being being offered a poor value product... LessHeard vanU (talk) 17:07, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

My sock puppet case

Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet_investigations/Hinata I need you to checkuser me please. Thanks for the understanding. Hinata talk 14:38, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Threats from the JIDF

Hi Jimbo, in case you have not been informed, "David Appletree" aka User:Einsteindonut the founder of the Kahanist Jewish Internet Defense Force has been using sockpuppets to make on-wiki threats and to disrupt the operation of Misplaced Pages once he is community banned. Appletree has been careful to protect his real identity, but should these threats come to fruition, I can provide information on sources that have disclosed his real name and they can presumably provide contact details should the Foundation decide to take legal action against him.--Peter cohen (talk) 17:15, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

I think it far more likely that you will be blocked for making personal attacks than that the Foundation would take legal action against him.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 17:19, 25 August 2010 (UTC)