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Other Series I'm thinking the whole section called "Other series" needs an overhaul. Right now, it states: "Shows that are considered to be separate from the main universe but could possibly be part of it are:" My points: 1) If Beyond is part, I think that makes Zeta a part as well. You get one, you get the other. 2)Additionally, I think all the crossovers (however badly done) with Static also prove (however much I want to deny it) that Static is also a part of the DCAU. 3) Does anyone still really believe that Teen Titans is in the Timmverse? I know it's animated DC, but it's so radically different in story and style I don't think there's a debate, it seems totally seperate to me. It seems like Timm or Murakami has said something to that effect too. 4) Does anyone really debate if Krypto is part of the DCAU cannon? Anyone old enough to wonder probably doesn't care. Conclusion - I think that Zeta and Static should be referred to as officially part of the DCAU. For better for worse, they're in. Personally, I think TT is out, but I can at least see some debate there (that one stupid reference Batman made to the Titans in Static.) I think we should trim the "controversial" list to Kryto and TT. Objections? --Gillespee

I agree that *should* be done, but I've seen places where they do not consider SS part of continuity, and most people don't remember Zeta at all, so we shouldn't put them in continuity and risk an edit war. Not likely to happen, though. KramarDanIkabu 17:36, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

If they deny Static or forgot Zeta, I say too bad for them. But for the sake of compromise, how about we list them as disputed or sub-series'? ] 12:17 21 August 2005 (UTC)

I like the idea.--Gillespee 05:08, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Wait wat?

I regret I haven't been watching this article closely enough. Somehow Static Shock and The Zeta Project were melded into being regular shows of continuity even though this could be untrue. When did this happen? KramarDanIkabu (talk) 14:47, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Dwayne McDuffie has repeatedly stated on his official board that all the shows listed are officially part of continuity, whether the fanboys like it or not. Bruce Timm has also said the same on Toon Zone's DC Animation Board- there is no dispute. The shows clearly take place in the same universe and to claim otherwise would just be childish. Having a dislike for Static or Zeta does not give one the right to remove it from canon - that's up to the producers, and they're rightfully proud of their ever-growing universe just the way it us. I for one am a big fan of The Zeta Project and see it as one of the high points of the DCAU. I also greatly enjoy the Static episodes that cross over with TNBA, STAS, JL and BB... No other show in the the history of television has crossed over with so many other shows. I hope we can end this debate now and continue to co-operate in expanding the DCAU entries on Misplaced Pages. Cowmuf 17:56, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

I hope you're not calling me a fanboy. I'm just as much a fan of those two shows as anyone. If you can point me to some sources, however, I think the article will have much more credibility. KramarDanIkabu (speak) 18:13, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Aquaman Embargo???

This section is an insult to the English language. Maybe if it was cleaned up to make sense, it'd be alright.

Both sections need to be whittled down and cleaned up drastically to remove POV and provide sources. While the Bat-Embargo has been confirmed by the production team, the so-called "Aqua-Embargo" doesn't seem to have been; if it has, please provide a source, otherwise it's speculative and OR. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 01:37, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

I just overhauled the embargo sections. If the person who recently expanded it feels that I deleted any crucial info, let me know on this talk page. I thought about deleting the Aqua-Embargo section altogether, since I can only find one or two websites that mention it, but it stays for now. Pitr 07:36, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Overall, I like what you've done. I'm glad you left in what you did, and I think the parts you took out were a little too much information.--Gillespee 17:03, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

SORRY, ENGLISH IS MY SECOND LANGUAJE :P , HAHA. THAT'S WHY I USED <! -- SIGNG -- > ON IT. NEVERTHELESS I NOTICED YOU REMOVED SOME VALID POINTS, CAN YOU EXPLAINME THE MEANING OF POV. I DON'T GET THE CONCEPT FROM ITS ARTICLE HERE IN THE WIKIPEDIA, SO I NEED A MORE CASUAL EXPLANATION. IS IT LIKE BAD PUBLICITY OR SOMETHING??

Also there IS an aqua embargo, that's why the character disappeared and Black manta was renamed devil ray. and there is not going to be an aquaman movie, it is a silly parody on some HBO show. I don't appreciate you undoing my work, it seems you have a lot to research to do if you don't think what i said is true. Im going to post some stuff you erased, and some stuff you wrote here so we can improve the article. Keep in mind that the idea to prvide as much verifiable and well writen information as posible.

this are facts:

• But instead his role was later taken by a non-credited character believed to be Dr. Moon, a brain surgeon who first appeared as a Ra's Al Ghul minion in the seventies, and has becomed the go-to villain of the DC universe when 'evil' brain-washing is required. His identity reamins unconfirmed, since his weight and ethnicity has varied every time he appeared on comics, from a fit black man, to an hunchbacked fat arabic man; but it is very probbably to be him, since the characters signature feature are his glasses and him being foreign, and the character has gained a lot of popularity since his apparition on Identity Crisis(it took me a lot of research to now this, mr. i'm so perfect and i own this page)
• Or by, just the way Alan Moore got away with using the Fu Manchu character for the League of Extraordinare Genttlemen by not writing down his name during the whole saga; just using those characters without mentionig their names. (this is useful knoldge, since that was clever of Moore and its extremely related information)
• ...seing major Bat-villains such as the ever-favorite Mark Hamil's Joker (this is important since, the other joker is hated by most critics)
• It could also happen if The Batman gets canceled before Justice League Unlimited. Its known tha some people hope so. (and the series is in crisis now, since it is going to be evaluated as soon as it airs its 52nd episode)

--T-man, the Wise Scarecrow 03:00, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Please cite your sources as to where Timm has acknowledged the "Aqua-Embargo". This needs to be verifiable. The rest of the stuff is your own supposition and opinion. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 03:55, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

yeah, right: they stop liking the character! as if, lol! the same rules aply for all characters appearing in other media!! Are you really a fan? i don't think you are familiarized enough.--T-man, the Wise Scarecrow 03:59, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

I don't need to prove anything. What I'm asking for is verifiability. Where is this information coming from? If you don't have any sources, then it's your own opinion, as I said. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 04:08, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

maybe i'm gonna put a section ==== ==== inside called "bat-embargo implications" with a list of ponts like the ones you say that have no sourses, but you can prove by watching the show. why don't you prove that is false?--T-man, the Wise Scarecrow 04:11, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

The series is Entourage, yo said there is going to be an aquaman movie, that false. you don't nkow about the topic. you are wasting my time you shold be doing this investigations yourself if you wan't to erase my info. you are the one that cares about the sources--T-man, the Wise Scarecrow 04:15, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

• http://jl.toonzone.net/weblog/weblog.htm

Nope, it's not for us to do the investigations to prove you false. It's for you to provide the sources that will verify your assertions. If you'd provided this link earlier, a lot of this could have been avoided.

Secondly, I would not suggest a Bat-Embargo Implications section because that again is your own opinion and Misplaced Pages is not your own personal fan site. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 04:24, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

• Dwayne McDuffie on Devil Ray #1: “You call it , in my day we called it ‘manners’ but, either way, it’s moot. We changed Black Manta to Devil Ray and removed Aquaman from this script because the rights to Aquaman were no longer available (courtesy of Television Without Pity).”

So, what are you going to make me keep doing your homework? or can i just undo your changes?

Nope, if you erase, you prove the info is wrong; if you want sources you can search it yourself, and i can go on and on and you are never gonig to be right. Because its pretty obvious to me you don't know anything about the topic. It's only your uninformed opinion that those facts are myopinions. if you watch the show you cand see that the characters stopped appearing when i said they stopped appearing--T-man, the Wise Scarecrow 04:28, 20 December 2005 (UTC) And also Krypto IS based on what goes on DCAU, but not vice versa.--T-man, the Wise Scarecrow 04:29, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

And I'm saying, in the most polite way I can, that is now how things work here. If you think I am wrong, you can always ask for a opinion. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 04:41, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

you are also impolite, and that's since you erased all my work without askin as y said on the message < - >you can "correct" but do it point by point. don't erase the new format. i've already proved you are wrong and don't know about the topic, don't write about it if you don't have the info. that's why i don't go correct the people who write articles about the side effects of chemo-therapy: BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW .. ABOUT ITHE TOPIC!--T-man, the Wise Scarecrow 05:06, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

And you shouldn't blind revert since you retained all the spelling errors I tried to correct. I have attempted to integrate your information as neatly and concisely as possible, without all the speculation and opinion. There's no need to split up the section like that. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 05:08, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but that is not an acceptable attitude, as I am confident you will see when other editors get into this. Someone else take this, because I don't have the time to deal with T-Man for the moment. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 05:22, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Agreed, for the one that takes the case (i'd like some colaboration).khaosworks erased my contrybutions without asking me (as i politely asked beforehand), or even researching about the topic, so i vas dealing with somebody with probably better writing skills than me but that did't know about the topic.

A slight misrepresentation. I corrected the spelling, cleaned up the layout, but every one of his contributions that was actually verifiable and not down to simple opinion or too obvious as to not require saying was actually retained. Just compare the two versions side by side. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 05:59, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Nope, no such thing as a A slight misrepresentation. khaosworks, who keeps saying that my informations are opinions without investigating them, also put some opinionated afirmations as the ones i'm moving here:

ok, this info you wrote is false and anyone can check their sources to verify:

• ...members. However, there has been no official acknowledgement of any such embargo by DC or Bruce Timm. (of course there is, do you even wacth the series! i recomend you don't edit an article if you're not an expert! read the interviews, please!)
• ...possibly due to an Aquaman character appearing on Smallville (TV series) and a possible feature film featuring the hero. (it´s a series about an actor playng the lead on an aquaman movie)
• ..."Devil Ray," a member of the Legion of Doom who appears to be indentical to Aquaman's nemesis Black Manta in all respects except his name...(he is, thats official)
• ...believed by some to be Dr. Moon, an obscure DC villain fron the 1970's. (he is becoming popular, read Identity crisis)
• ...Furthermore, although the League of Assassins has been shown to be part of the DCAU, Ra's Al Ghul is absent. (they are both absent, and what about the other villains. what? i can only mention the ones you like?? i don care for red claw, can I erase her?)

--T-man, the Wise Scarecrow 06:07, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Just because something is obvious to you as you watch the series does not make it "official," so please stop trumping the point of "you can see it if you watch." That constitutes original research, which is not allowed at Misplaced Pages. We're more like reporters than analysts. That being said, just provide us with the link to the Dwayne McDuffie quote, khaos isn't asking too much of you at all.--Gillespee 14:53, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

yeah, no...wait, no. I´m more like: WHOOOOO!! hold your horses there, you are not "we" or "us". nice try though. you're as much part and as profetional as the rest of us, pal. Besides you don't even have a user page. And i repeat myself, you won't ever see me writing about medicines, because i'm not a doctor. If you need me to specify that most of my observations come from "The Doomsday Sanction" and "question Authority", it means that you don't watch the show. If you are not a fan what are you doing here? i'm providing rough info, which is steel info, especially because as i said, it's verifiable, if you care so much about the sources, there are two polite ways: a. asking me nicely here. b. doing your homework and reasearching yourself. Erasing the info just because your highness 'dunno 'bout no embargo' is just not polite and is a cry for anger and rudeness ifthe person is as me easily irritated by people with authoritary attitude. You are maybe i should put my sources before writing info, although i don't mind, i'd be helpful for those who would like to know about the topic, altho if the person is really interested he´d probably research the official sources for himself. On the other had, khaosworks also commit a big mistake: one should provide the proof before erasing something. you can't go on to every article erasing what ever info that doesn't have quoted sources. There is history pages the author is just going to undo you changes. If you care so much, you should help the way i sugested or by something different you could come up with, but with the info provider, not against him especially if you don't know abut the info. I can get how come sombody has the guts to write here without knowing sources like the dwayne page or the watchtower or even not knowing what happens in wich episode. It makes me so angry!!--T-man, the Wise Scarecrow 01:48, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Ok I really think everyone here should just relax and maybe let this whole thing go before it goes any further. It looks to me like the issue is more or less settled, which means this argument here no longer serves any purpose except to raise tempers. Pitr 02:28, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

hahahaha i thing someone made the batembargo bigger, someone copy pasted more paragraphs f that from the page i crated so people stop whining about it here, where due to te fact that the topic is so current, makes it very big, important and totally worth of having it just here, with out having to be an introductory link... you can go summarize it, it's ok, but remember go les than 2 paragraphs and erase the hot names and you well met me again. and you know it, i could be worst than a headacke. And also remember this article can go 60k with sections of no more than 25k and is ok, avoid to much prose with no liks lists or eye catching elements, is the way to go. what wikipedia tries to avoid is tiresome articles, not space. if wikipedia would encourage to avoid ocupying memory space, it wouldn encourage so much article spawning.Again: this is still a small article, people--T-man, the Wise Scarecrow 10:14, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Not to belabor the point here as well as at the JLU page, but the 4 paragraphs of info on the Bat-Embargo is literally 1/3 of the Bat-Embargo article. There really is no need for the repetition. I move we shorten it while of course linking to the Bat-Embargo page.--Gillespee 06:02, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

We met again

And we met again. hahahah, somebody took what I developed as a full article here again. I don't like the idea, but...What's about to do?--T for Trouble-maker 20:50, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

I wrote this

During Batman Adventures, the last comic book based on Batman: the Animated Series, all the rouges evolved. The Penguin became major, Black mask and Red Hood made their first appearances and Poison Ivy, Mr. Freeze, Talia and the Riddler had also major changes in their lives. Although the comics based on the DCAU stories are not canonical to it, the producers have often adapted some of the plots to the actual DCAU in the past. It remains to be seen if the Batman Adventure story arc will have any effect on the JLU.

I creted this last paragraph, I hope you like it, my main point is "whatever is going to happen with the Batman Adventures stuff". Since English is not my first language it probably need some copiedit.--T for Trouble-maker 21:14, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

moot

People is abusing this word. It is rude and, in most cases I've seen here, they exaggerate. I don't care about the comment Ace erased, but the crossover with the titans thing, if it was truly quoting Bruce Timm, was not moot just because the series is going to be over. First because the Teen Titans isn't only the cartoon and the universe it created, but a whole franchise; JLU producers might as well take the characters straight from comics without caring for the cartoon version. Second because JLU has had crossovers with canceled series before, just as other DCAU series did. And third, because the ending in fact, makes the crossover more possible, nw that the rights are available. So people please, think twice before calling another editors words "moot". --T for Tool and Trouble-maker 03:25, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Superman: Brainiac Attacks

Apostrophe deleted my entry on Superman: Brainiac Attacks. his claim is that it only uses the style and not the continuity of the DC animated universe. I've checked the story description in the press and nothing is (so far) mentioned that it isn't set in the same universe. Does he know something we don't? --Destron Commander 10:49, 9 February 2006 (UTC)