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missed your comment

sorry, I missed your comment, here: Template_talk:Hidden_archive_top#nominated_for_deletion. I was surprised by the whole thing as I think the discusssion was closed as I was typing. Then when I checked to see when it was opened, I was really irritated. They should have a minimum time before a deletion discussion is allowed to be closed. stmrlbs|talk 01:58, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

well, you could reopen the deletion discussion with a very clear statement that the last one was too short to be meaningful. do you think that would be useful? --Ludwigs2 02:57, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Forum-shopping

Thanks for your tweak - I think that captures it nicely. ‒ Jaymax✍ 00:08, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Medicine/Chiropractic/SPOV

Hey Ludgwigs, re: your comment that these issues have been discussed before, can you point me to some of those discussions? I know that Chiropractic had its own Arbcom case and I've read through it (as well as reams of talk page history), but I can't find much discussion about MEDRS in conjunction with ASF except from those who want them to work in lockstep. Ocaasi 69.142.154.10 (talk) 04:50, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure which comment you're referring to. the GEV section has frequently been challenged (look at the talk pages of NPOV and NPOV/FAQ), the issues in general come up all the time here and there. can you be more specific? --Ludwigs2 17:03, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

You mentioned that issues about how NPOV applies to medical articles has been discussed before. I assume some of that happened during the Chiropractic ArbCom case. Are there other places I should look? Ocaasi 69.142.154.10 (talk) 22:24, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Trading card game

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Thanks! Bob the Wikipedian 05:52, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Continuing to make substantial changes to NPOV without consenses

For consistency with NPOV, I think you need to first explain your deletion of ASF and major rewrite to NPOV against Misplaced Pages's consensus. You continuously edit without consensus and delete long established parts of policy. Do you understand it is a big deal when editors are concerned you are forcing changes to policy that they disagree with, while you are not adhering to the advice of WP:PG#Substantive changes. You have exported your disagreement with long term NPOV to V policy, and refuse to abide by consensus at NPOV. You wrote in part: "such as the fact/opinion distinction, which I disapprove of". You are personally against the intent of long established ASF when you admitted you disapprove of the fact/opinion distinction. Is it your aim to consistently remove ASF? QuackGuru (talk) 22:22, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

It is my aim to improve policy so that it is fair, balanced, useful, and (most importantly) reflective of the principles that are required for constructing a good encyclopedia. what is your aim? --Ludwigs2 23:06, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

BLP concerns

My concerns in :

• It's all your opinion.
• Besides applying to all Misplaced Pages pages, WP:BLP also states, "Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion."
• "but they don't seem to realize or acknowledge the distinction" Again, your opinion. Ironically, it applies to most of the arguments for getting rid of the Quackwatch ref.
• "he's more concerned with the opinion-mongering side of that equation (the 'informing people' bit) than he is with the actual analytic process of distinguishing good practices from bad." Pure speculation on your part. This is a pattern.
• "but the people inclined to do that kind of thing (Barrett being no exception) have a horrible tendency to overindulge in questionable critiques" Ditto for this and the rest of the paragraph.

In other words, the entire first paragraph is a BLP vio. --Ronz (talk) 01:47, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

This is a noticeboard page, Ronz, not an article, and the purpose of these statements is to evaluate Barrett as a source. You are welcome to offer counter-arguments if you like, but you cannot silence all discussion of Barrett as a source by using BLP. Keep in mind that if you continue arguing that Barrett cannot be discussed as a source per BLP, then I will begin arguing that Barrett cannot be used as a source per wp:RS and wp:V - a source which cannot be discussed cannot be verified, and therefore can never be considered reliable under policy. Is that where you want this to go? --Ludwigs2 01:55, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

"This is a noticeboard page" BLP still applies, right?

"you cannot silence all discussion of Barrett as a source by using BLP" Thankfully, no one is doing any such thing. Can we get back to the matter at hand? --Ronz (talk) 01:58, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

--Ludwigs2 02:01, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Ludwigs2, I don't know if you saw it but we already have a wp:RS Noticeboard thread going on regarding Barrett (Misplaced Pages:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Is_a_paper_.28possible_blog.29_by_a_psychiatrist_valid_regarding_old_claims_regarding_dentistry.3F).--BruceGrubb (talk) 08:18, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

I'll take a look at it. But really, there might be too many discussions on this going on. it's better to have things centralized in one location, to keep confusion down. --Ludwigs2 17:09, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Please stop adding unreferenced controversial biographical content to articles or any other Misplaced Pages page. Content of this nature could be regarded as defamatory and is in violation of Misplaced Pages policy. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. --Ronz (talk) 16:14, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks - Weston Price discussions

I must say thanks for how you're handling these discussions, especially with SA involved. While they could be going much better, I expected much worse based upon similar, past discussions between the two of you. --Ronz (talk) 19:02, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, my early 'disagreements' with SA were more in the nature of misunderstandings. I've gotten a better grasp on the wikipedia process over time, and he seems to have mellowed a bit. There's still a core disagreement about where the median lies on skeptic/pseudoscience debates (and that will probably always exist), but we seem to have gotten around to a place where we can discuss it rationally. One must appreciate blessings, large and small. --Ludwigs2 20:36, 21 October 2010 (UTC)