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September 2010

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. Everyone is welcome to make constructive contributions to Misplaced Pages, but at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to Communist terrorism, did not appear to be constructive and has been automatically reverted by ClueBot.

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• The following is the log entry regarding this warning: Communist terrorism was changed by AndyTheGrump (u) (t) deleting 11449 characters on 2010-09-24T01:44:02+00:00 . Thank you. ClueBot (talk) 01:44, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Misplaced Pages, as you did with this edit to the page Communist terrorism. Such edits constitute vandalism and are reverted. Please do not continue to make unconstructive edits to pages; use the sandbox for testing. Thank you. Access Denied 01:54, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Stop, take a deep breath, and just ignore him. Please work on other areas of the wiki instead. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 02:29, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Is there any point in trying to contribute to a project where good-faith reverts are treated as vandalism?

I'm new to Misplaced Pages editing. I'd like to help. If I'm to be labelled as a 'vandal' by someone who thinks that 'Access Denied' is a valid user name (and doesn't appear to have looked into the past history of the article in question), I don't see why I should bother...

I think Access Denied is a perfectly valid username...and you removed half the communist terrorism article. I don't think it was vandalism, but it also should not have been done without discussion first. Good intent, but the wrong way of approaching it, in my opinion. Ks0stm If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. 02:40, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

I disagree about 'Access Denied' being valid (to a newcomer like me, it looks authoritative), but I'll leave that for the moment, and explain why I made the revert I did: this article has been repeatedly reverted to two different versions, one of which was clearly on-topic, at least as I saw it, and another that was a synthesis that made little sense except as an attempt to advance a POV, and made the remaining segments of the article look like an afterthought. I'd agree that 'take it to discussion first' is a good general principle, but it wasn't me that wanted to start this argument in the first place. I seem to have got caught in the crossfire, for no better reason than having an opinion.

I would have been more willing to reconsider if you had left me a civil note at my talkpage instead of harassing me at UAA and at my editor review. Access Denied 02:58, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

I don't consider pointing out that a newcomer might consider your username a claim to authority over Misplaced Pages to be harassment. Perhaps you could explain why you chose it? And while you are at it, can you let me know whether you looked into the history of the 'Communist_terrorism' article before you labelled my revert as vandalism? Actually, don't bother. If this is the way that Misplaced Pages greets newcomers then you can play with it all by yourselves...

In all my time reverting vandalism by newcomers (probably at least a thousand reverts) I have never received complaints about my user name. Plus, it's much better than my old one, which could be considered very mildly disruptive by some. Access Denied 03:15, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Also, please sign your posts with ~~~~; this will automaticaly append your signature. Access Denied 03:16, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

OK I forgot to sign my post. Is that the most important thing to you? More important than actually addressing the points I raised? Or are you going to let me know (a) whether you think a newcomer might find your username misleading (and if not, why you chose it)?, and (b) whether you read the 'communist terrorism' article history before you labelled my revert as vandalism?AndyTheGrump (talk) 03:24, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

If I were a newcomer, I would not find Access Denied any more misleading than I did Evolauxia or Runningonbrains when I really was a newcomer. Access Denied I probably would have found more funny than anything, seeing as I was a hormone-driven 14 year old boy when I started on Misplaced Pages. =) Ks0stm If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. 03:33, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

No, I do not think my username is misleading. I chose it because it sounds good. I will admit that I did not read through the history of the article, but I did skim the content you removed; it seemed like OK content. Access Denied 03:36, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

@Access Denied: Come to notice it, your first username was kinda teenage level connotation happy as well. Both it and this one amuse me highly. =) Ks0stm If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. 03:37, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

"I did skim the content you removed; it seemed like OK content". OK for what though? For an article that presents 'terror' as integral to Marxism, or an article that discusses groups which supposedly espouse both Marxism and terrorism? I've no objection to either article in principle (though I'd have a lot to say about the first), but a conflation of the two is a synthesis, which is what the problem with the article was in the first place. In any case, you thought the content was 'OK', I didn't. Since when has a difference of opinion been vandalism?

And as for your username, 'it sounds good' is a week justification: I found it misleading. I'm a newcomer. Do you want to mislead newcomers or not?AndyTheGrump (talk) 03:57, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

ANI discussion

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Access Denied 04:18, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

See

Here mark nutley (talk) 18:11, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

My Name

Call me Mark, or use my full name, please don`t use my surname only. Thanks mark nutley (talk) 20:03, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi you were right about the cussing and i removed it, but it was getting very tedious having to say the same thing over and over because TFD was being, well you know. BTW with regards to my name 50px This is not me :o) Lets stick to Mark, hows that suit you :o) mark (talk) 22:41, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

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Communist terrorism

Please, do not remove Justus' post. Such action would be justified only if you were an uninvolved editor.--Paul Siebert (talk) 13:32, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

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Justus Maximus at ANI

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Legal Threat

Please remove this, legal threats are a blockable offence. And unless your RL name is andy the grump then no liable can have occoured :) mark (talk) 16:23, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

October 2010

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If I were you, I would withdraw that legal threat, especially seeing as it's kinda pointless to threaten to sue someone over a personal attack. Just don't worry about the comment, after all, you do edit under a pseudonym, and it's not like people can easily connect that to who you are in real life. Even if they do, it's obviously bad faith, and holds so little water that I don't think people would even believe it. Ks0stm If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. 17:09, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Saying a statement is libelous is not the same thing as saying that one intends to file suit, just as saying that remarks are hateful does not mean that one intends to prosecute under hate crime legislation. However Andy the Grump should avoid use of that word and instead use the term personal attack. TFD (talk) 17:13, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Please see WP:No legal threats: "For example, if you repeatedly assert that another editor's comments are "defamatory" or "libelous", that editor might interpret this as a threat to sue for defamation, even if this is not intended.... Rather than blocking immediately, administrators should seek to clarify the user's meaning and make sure that a mere misunderstanding is not involved. For example, a user might assert another editor's comments are "defamatory" because they are unaware of certain policies (such as harassment, personal attacks, incivility, etc.) and require assistance in dealing with such comments." (my emphasis) TFD (talk) 17:17, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

TFD, the legal threat was "I am aware that Misplaced Pages policy is to discourage recourse to legal measures, but given the grossly offensive nature of this statement, I see that I have little choice." I believe that was what the block was for. Ks0stm If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. 17:20, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes, that's what it was for. Though calling someone "pro-terrorist" isn't exactly civil either. Access Denied  17:23, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict)I have to concede that it was not wise to make such a statement. Whereas the Justus' numerous posts are just personal attacks and perceived legal threats, the last Andy's post was almost unequivocal legal threat. However, taking into account that the Justus' attacks were directed at Andy and myself in the same extent, and whereas I personally don't think Justus "left me no choice", the last Andy's post is a result of the lack of experience. In my opinion, he should retract this statement.--Paul Siebert (talk) 17:25, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

@Access Denied. Whereas calling someone "pro-terrorist" isn't exactly civil, the same action made repeatedly is a perceived legal threat.--Paul Siebert (talk) 17:25, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure, but given that Andy only has 230 edits he might not be fully aware of the implications of the NLT policy. Access Denied  17:28, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes Andy must remove that comment and follow the advice provided in the link which advises to contact the information team at info-enwikimedia.org, and then be unblocked. TFD (talk) 17:30, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

A simple "I have no intent of pursuing any litigation." would be sufficient. Toddst1 (talk) 18:14, 24 October 2010 (UTC)