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I'll leave the interviews for now, but not the IMDB. the IMDB is neither NPOV nor reliable. Like Misplaced Pages, they are a second-hand source that get their information from '''somewhere'''. With luck for us, it is somewhere reliable. Without it, not. Interviews are a first-hand source. As for NPOV, the IMDB frequently posts bios from non-NPOV sources as well as accepts submission from non-NPOV users. Here is a random example - actress Jamie-Lynn Discala . The IMDB bio copies her official site bio word-for-word, and includes the line "Jamie has been busy making a name for herself as a remarkably multi-talented young woman", not to mention three different, self-conflicting descriptions of her ethnic background, only one of which is correct. ] 22:44, 13 February 2006 (UTC) I'll leave the interviews for now, but not the IMDB. the IMDB is neither NPOV nor reliable. Like Misplaced Pages, they are a second-hand source that get their information from '''somewhere'''. With luck for us, it is somewhere reliable. Without it, not. Interviews are a first-hand source. As for NPOV, the IMDB frequently posts bios from non-NPOV sources as well as accepts submission from non-NPOV users. Here is a random example - actress Jamie-Lynn Discala . The IMDB bio copies her official site bio word-for-word, and includes the line "Jamie has been busy making a name for herself as a remarkably multi-talented young woman", not to mention three different, self-conflicting descriptions of her ethnic background, only one of which is correct. ] 22:44, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
:Thank you. The IMDB does indeed offer excellent filmographies, but my vice is not that they repeat what people say about themselves in interviews, but rather that they post things that no one has ever said, ever. Like DiScala - that bit about her mother being Greek was completely made-up by a user who submitted similar notations to a bunch of actors, with lines about them "considering themselves mostly Greek, speaking Greek", etc. including one to ], who only had a Greek stepfather. DiScala's mother is Cuban, not Greek, and indeed that is what it says on Misplaced Pages, and what it '''also''' says in a '''different''' trivia note on Discala on the IMDB, who win the Oscar for self-contradiction. I like interviews because they're frankly the only first-hand sources available to us, where we can get the information straight from the person, and rule out the middle men like the NNDB, IMDB and their kin, who never cite their sources. ] 22:57, 13 February 2006 (UTC) :Thank you. The IMDB does indeed offer excellent filmographies, but my vice is not that they repeat what people say about themselves in interviews, but rather that they post things that no one has ever said, ever. Like DiScala - that bit about her mother being Greek was completely made-up by a user who submitted similar notations to a bunch of actors, with lines about them "considering themselves mostly Greek, speaking Greek", etc. including one to ], who only had a Greek stepfather. DiScala's mother is Cuban, not Greek, and indeed that is what it says on Misplaced Pages, and what it '''also''' says in a '''different''' trivia note on Discala on the IMDB, who win the Oscar for self-contradiction. I like interviews because they're frankly the only first-hand sources available to us, where we can get the information straight from the person, and rule out the middle men like the NNDB, IMDB and their kin, who never cite their sources. ] 22:57, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

== Oklahoma ==

Look at what Oklahoma wrote on his talk page:

''Mel Etitis knows as much about me as he does about who "created the term" Cosmotheism. I am not "Paul Vogel" and I would think Mel would be able to verify that. Mel, are you "Paul Vogel"? I believe I am being censored because I am right and you are wrong. I noticed that you changed the Cosmotheism page to read "a prominent user of the term", but I won't waste my time waiting for an apology. Is this the standard way that a Wikipedian should treat someone who they disagree with?''

I'm pretty sure he's right. You previously said he "confessed to being 216.45.251.197". That's not quite right. What he really confessed to is being a user operating under IPs beginning with 64, 68, 69, 70, etc. Those IPs trace to Oklahoma (hence his username), while 216.45.251.197 traces to New York. So please reconsider this block, again (if necessary, a CheckUser request can be filed to clear this up). --] 23:46, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

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Misplaced Pages:Deletion review#List of interesting or unusual_place_names

Further to your views on the undeletion, you may be interested that the page was relisted on Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of interesting or unusual place names (2nd nomination). Regards--A Y Arktos 10:49, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Henrik Steffens

Hi. Henrik Steffens and Henrich Steffens were duplicate articles. They are both about the same person and contained very similar information. To leave them both in existence would have been to cause potential confusion. I have replaced the redirect and included the material to be merged. I'm puzzled as to why you think the articles contradict one another. Certainly one describes him as being "of Norwegian extraction" on the grounds that he was born in Norway, whilst the other describes him as "German and Danish" on the grounds that he lived in Denmark and wrote in Danish. This hardly constitutes a contradiction. However, I agree that I should have merged the articles in the first place, as I have now done. You'll find it makes very little difference. Deb 17:46, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Henrik Steffens

I suppose that's true, yes, if I'm going to do something, I like to do it straight away. But the point is that I didn't really think it needed doing. Okay, the person who wrote "Henrich Steffens" might have been hurt at losing the whole of their contribution, and I take that point. But there was very little non-duplicate information. I don't actually know anything about Steffens. It's just that whenever I notice a duplicate article, I do a quick assessment of whether it is a duplicate, and take appropriate action, ie. either redirect it or merge the two articles. I prefer this to leaving it lying around. Obviously you have a different strategy, but I don't think that makes me wrong. One of the best things about wikipedia is that articles are never perfect and are constantly being improved. Deb 17:57, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Henrik Steffens

Well done! Deb 18:05, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

lawyer really exists

I'm tied up this weekend but will be dealing with ifd soon. --BradPatrick 12:38, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Duke Ellington

No problem, it looks like you only collided with my edits on line 31 (now line 33). I just changed one sentence back. If you think that changes the meaning too much feel free to change it again and I'll leave it be. I just thought that the wording was a bit confusing the way it was. Jnk 19:00, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Fair Use Fracas

Mel, I responded to your comments and those of others over on AN/I. I understand your position and I don't wish to make a habit of acting out of process but if two images like these blatant copyvios survive IFD then IFD is broken. I made my statement about that by deleting them. They are some of the most obvious examples I have seen on WP and I shot them on site. There was no "consensus" on IFD on them, go look at the log, myself, the uploader and a buddy of the uploader who's images I also was after responded and that was it. IFD is broken, let's fix it. --Wgfinley 01:58, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Rena Vlahopoulou

Hi Mel, I'm User:LiniShu, and I'm contacting you regarding the categorization of the Rena Vlahopoulou article. On 12 February I added tags for Category:Actors, Category:Film actors, Category:Greek film actors, Category:Greek stage actors, and Category:Stage actors to the article. The article had already been categorized into Category:Greek actors. Shortly thereafter, you removed the parent categories: Actors, Film actors, Greek actors, and Stage actors. I can reasonably guess that you were proceeding according to the widely followed (up until now) application of WP MOS about not having an article in both a category and its parent. What you may not be aware of are the results of the most recent discussion (January 2006) about Professions subcategorized by Nationality, specifically the professions of Film actors and Film directors. This discussion can be found at Misplaced Pages talk:Categorization#Professions subcategorized by Nationality, and a copy with continued discussion can be found at Category talk:Actors#Categorization of professions by nationality. The consensus, given here in summary, was: a) it is beneficial for the browsing preferences of some users to have articles appear in both a Profession category and a Profession by Nationality category and b) it is not detrimental to Misplaced Pages to do so - i) per WP developers, large categories are not a problem for the servers, and ii) slightly "cluttering" articles with more categories is a secondary concern to having useful categories for browsing. It was decided, for the time being, to specifically apply the results of the discussion to Actors and Directors categories; one might say as a proof of concept.

With your experience on Misplaced Pages (30,000+ edits!), if you care to comment on Category talk:Actors after considering this topic, your perspective would be appreciated.

For now, I am going to add back the parent categories to Rena Vlahopoulou, in order to be consistent with the other Greek actors articles that I had recently edited, and also to be consistent with the most recently held discussion and consensus on categorization of these type of articles. I have no wish or intention, however, of initiating an edit war, so, if, after reading the above, you still are strongly enough opposed to the presence of the parent categories to remove them again, we will leave it at that, pending further discussion.

Look forward to hearing from you. Thanks. Respectfully, Lini 02:54, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Bachelor's Degree

Sorry if I used a powerful word--"incorrect" would have been better.

I did misunderstand the sentence in Bachelor's Degree but the following list makes the complete meaning of the sentence ambiguous. Since the line is followed by a huge list of schools the statement implicitly says that all schools outside a few British ones have switched to "Bachelor's of (Specific field)". I will write something to clear the ambiguity.

As for U.S. universities, I attended a very prestigious school that only awards A.B.s in Physics. So there. DirectorStratton 04:38, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Mission Impossible

Your mission, should you accept it, is to help folks at Asian fetish get the article sorted out.

I thought of you because I've seen you in fire fights before and you remain cool. Also, I think you would bring some skills with you that would be invaluable in dealing with the problem.

As one editor described the article: "Half violates NOR, the other half is well-documented, but just silly..."

The problem: An anon user 80.138.XXX using a number of IP addresses in that range has been inserting white supremicist garbage into the article. This is the same vandal who was so problematic on the Virago page. That page was finally deleted and a stub left in its place.

Prior to the anon's arrival the Asian fetish article had narrowly survived an AfD. Unfortunately, though it sounds like a misnomer, there is such a phenomenon as "Asian fetish." A fairly new user Wzhao553 tried to clean up some of the anon's stuff (see "Physical anthropology" section of the article). Having done so, Wzhao553 was somewhat attached to the product. I deleted the section several times and raised some smoke about it. Others joined in and an edit war with the anon ensued. The article was locked and then Wzhao553, to his credit, organized a vote on the "Physical anthropology" section and another section on "Testosterone."

The vote has now been completed and Wzhao553 has asked me for assistance in closing it, but wants an admin involved. I thought of you (sorry, I will make it up to you, honest). It looks like 80.138.XXX has been using a sockpupet named Mr.Phil. I think that most of the editors involved are fairly straight up and would like to get this sorted out. Some still think the article should be deleted in its entirety. The anon is a real problem. Would you be willing to take a look at it and then compare notes? Sunray 07:12, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Evi Adam

Thanks for the advice on my talk page but I have a question. How do I make a category within a parent category? In other words: The parent caterogy is Greek people, I want to create a category with in it by occupations called Greek models. How is that done? Thanks. ~~Mallaccaos, 13 February 2006

Thanks again for the help.  :) ~~Mallaccaos, 13 February 2006

Thieriot

I'll leave the interviews for now, but not the IMDB. the IMDB is neither NPOV nor reliable. Like Misplaced Pages, they are a second-hand source that get their information from somewhere. With luck for us, it is somewhere reliable. Without it, not. Interviews are a first-hand source. As for NPOV, the IMDB frequently posts bios from non-NPOV sources as well as accepts submission from non-NPOV users. Here is a random example - actress Jamie-Lynn Discala . The IMDB bio copies her official site bio word-for-word, and includes the line "Jamie has been busy making a name for herself as a remarkably multi-talented young woman", not to mention three different, self-conflicting descriptions of her ethnic background, only one of which is correct. JackO'Lantern 22:44, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. The IMDB does indeed offer excellent filmographies, but my vice is not that they repeat what people say about themselves in interviews, but rather that they post things that no one has ever said, ever. Like DiScala - that bit about her mother being Greek was completely made-up by a user who submitted similar notations to a bunch of actors, with lines about them "considering themselves mostly Greek, speaking Greek", etc. including one to Nicolette Sheridan, who only had a Greek stepfather. DiScala's mother is Cuban, not Greek, and indeed that is what it says on Misplaced Pages, and what it also says in a different trivia note on Discala on the IMDB, who win the Oscar for self-contradiction. I like interviews because they're frankly the only first-hand sources available to us, where we can get the information straight from the person, and rule out the middle men like the NNDB, IMDB and their kin, who never cite their sources. JackO'Lantern 22:57, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Oklahoma

Look at what Oklahoma wrote on his talk page:

Mel Etitis knows as much about me as he does about who "created the term" Cosmotheism. I am not "Paul Vogel" and I would think Mel would be able to verify that. Mel, are you "Paul Vogel"? I believe I am being censored because I am right and you are wrong. I noticed that you changed the Cosmotheism page to read "a prominent user of the term", but I won't waste my time waiting for an apology. Is this the standard way that a Wikipedian should treat someone who they disagree with?

I'm pretty sure he's right. You previously said he "confessed to being 216.45.251.197". That's not quite right. What he really confessed to is being a user operating under IPs beginning with 64, 68, 69, 70, etc. Those IPs trace to Oklahoma (hence his username), while 216.45.251.197 traces to New York. So please reconsider this block, again (if necessary, a CheckUser request can be filed to clear this up). --TML1988 23:46, 13 February 2006 (UTC)