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| ::::::It's objectively false and reflects poorly on a living person. That makes it a BLP violation. It's a claim regarding a living person made without any factual basis but with derogatory intent. It's a claim presented as factual even though the speaker ha no basis to believe it is true. That makes it a lie, and denying that simple fact is an act of moral cowardice. As for "following you around," you profanely and uncivilly demanded a response. Describing that response as "following you" or "stalking" is no less dishonest. ] (]) 01:01, 6 November 2010 (UTC) | ::::::It's objectively false and reflects poorly on a living person. That makes it a BLP violation. It's a claim regarding a living person made without any factual basis but with derogatory intent. It's a claim presented as factual even though the speaker ha no basis to believe it is true. That makes it a lie, and denying that simple fact is an act of moral cowardice. As for "following you around," you profanely and uncivilly demanded a response. Describing that response as "following you" or "stalking" is no less dishonest. ] (]) 01:01, 6 November 2010 (UTC) | ||
| :::::::So "doesn't seem to" is an attack hmm? <span style="color:green">Ten Pound Hammer</span>, ] and a clue-bat • <sup>(])</sup> 02:35, 6 November 2010 (UTC) | :::::::So "doesn't seem to" is an attack hmm? <span style="color:green">Ten Pound Hammer</span>, ] and a clue-bat • <sup>(])</sup> 02:35, 6 November 2010 (UTC) | ||
| ::::::::Of course it is; hiding behind your weasel words is hardly more than a transparent evasion. Were I to comment that you seem to have the character of a child molester, I would, justifiably, be quickly excluded from this community. You had no basis or reason to post a false and derogatory comment about a blameless third party, and your behavior was shameful and grows worse with each response. ] (]) 03:22, 6 November 2010 (UTC) | |||
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You Ain't Goin' Nowhere is currently a Music good article nominee. Nominated by Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • at 05:20, 5 November 2010 (UTC) An editor has indicated a willingness to review the article in accordance with the good article criteria and will decide whether or not to list it as a good article. Comments are welcome from any editor who has not nominated or contributed significantly to this article. This review will be closed by the first reviewer. To add comments to this review, click discuss review and edit the page.
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Removal of Unreferenced tag
I have removed the tag stating that this article does not cite any references or sources. This is because I have added many new inline references myself to remedy the problem.Kohoutek1138 19:54, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Verify credibility
I don't see how this is a reliable source. Bjorner.com is a personal website that's owned by someone who doesn't seem to have any sort of credibility; even if they are showing their work, it's quite plainly a fansite and should not be used as a reference. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • 04:49, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
- It seems Hullaboo won't leave Ten pound hammer alone, also personal websites can never be reliable sources, Ten pound on the other hand try to avoid calling him a douche, this won't look good on your part, its time someone uninvolved stept in as hullaboos wikistalking is causing ten pound to lose his patience, i think you two need to leave each other alone for a bit--Lerdthenerd (talk) 13:40, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
- I've just added a much more reliable source from Paul William's Performing Artist book in an attempt to resolve this dispute. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 14:25, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
- Agree, not a reliable source. TFD (talk) 14:48, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
It's clear that nobody here has bothered to check out the point I made when initially restoring the source: that the online pages are simply an online edition of professionally published material, and therefore not excluded as inherently unreliable. The print edition is cited in the references to the main Bob Dylan article and can be verified here . The reliability of the site was discussed in several places on Misplaced Pages (for example, here ), and consensus has been that it meets RS requirements. It's now cited in dozens of articles. And, as I noted in a subsequent edit, it's been officially endorsed on behalf of the musician himself: "The best online source of sheer data on Bob Dylan's recording and touring history, including set lists is Olof Bjorner's site." . Some of us bother to check out the relevant facts before we edit; others attack without regard to them. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 17:43, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
- Now how hard was it to just frakking say that instead of blindly reverting my edits with vague edit summaries? Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • 18:48, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
- I know it's more work to edit if you take the trouble to make sure what you say is accurate, but that doesn't give you an excuse. What part of ""online edition of published work isn't a 'bad source'" could you possibly have found vague? What lack of simple human decency possesses you to gratuitously and falsely insult the author involved? Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 19:23, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
- Admittedly I overlooked that edit summary. What lack of simple human decency causes you to wikistalk me? Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • 21:11, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
- That explanation is completely unworthy of belief, given the extent to which you've been searching through my comments. And nothing that you so falsely accuse me of doing justifies the lie you told about a completely blameless author here. For someone who flings around insults so freely, you have a peculiarly thin skin.You know I haven't "stalked" you, or anyone. You're just eed off that I've caught you saying things that aren't true, and people are noticing. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 22:53, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
- Tell me how the hell "that's owned by someone who doesn't seem to have any sort of credibility" is a BLP violation, first of all. Maybe you are catching me at "bad" things (a very tenuous claim at that), but it seems you're following me around, waiting for me to slip up, and then screaming at me for it. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • 00:27, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
- It's objectively false and reflects poorly on a living person. That makes it a BLP violation. It's a claim regarding a living person made without any factual basis but with derogatory intent. It's a claim presented as factual even though the speaker ha no basis to believe it is true. That makes it a lie, and denying that simple fact is an act of moral cowardice. As for "following you around," you profanely and uncivilly demanded a response. Describing that response as "following you" or "stalking" is no less dishonest. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 01:01, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
- So "doesn't seem to" is an attack hmm? Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • 02:35, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
- Of course it is; hiding behind your weasel words is hardly more than a transparent evasion. Were I to comment that you seem to have the character of a child molester, I would, justifiably, be quickly excluded from this community. You had no basis or reason to post a false and derogatory comment about a blameless third party, and your behavior was shameful and grows worse with each response. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 03:22, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
- So "doesn't seem to" is an attack hmm? Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • 02:35, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
- It's objectively false and reflects poorly on a living person. That makes it a BLP violation. It's a claim regarding a living person made without any factual basis but with derogatory intent. It's a claim presented as factual even though the speaker ha no basis to believe it is true. That makes it a lie, and denying that simple fact is an act of moral cowardice. As for "following you around," you profanely and uncivilly demanded a response. Describing that response as "following you" or "stalking" is no less dishonest. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 01:01, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
- Tell me how the hell "that's owned by someone who doesn't seem to have any sort of credibility" is a BLP violation, first of all. Maybe you are catching me at "bad" things (a very tenuous claim at that), but it seems you're following me around, waiting for me to slip up, and then screaming at me for it. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • 00:27, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
- That explanation is completely unworthy of belief, given the extent to which you've been searching through my comments. And nothing that you so falsely accuse me of doing justifies the lie you told about a completely blameless author here. For someone who flings around insults so freely, you have a peculiarly thin skin.You know I haven't "stalked" you, or anyone. You're just eed off that I've caught you saying things that aren't true, and people are noticing. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 22:53, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
- Admittedly I overlooked that edit summary. What lack of simple human decency causes you to wikistalk me? Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • 21:11, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
- I know it's more work to edit if you take the trouble to make sure what you say is accurate, but that doesn't give you an excuse. What part of ""online edition of published work isn't a 'bad source'" could you possibly have found vague? What lack of simple human decency possesses you to gratuitously and falsely insult the author involved? Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 19:23, 5 November 2010 (UTC)