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	Of course alternative arrangements are possible, but in any case the current one is a self-contradistinction. ] (]) 08:39, 16 October 2010 (UTC)		Of course alternative arrangements are possible, but in any case the current one is a self-contradistinction. ] (]) 08:39, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

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			*In early 2005, government forces surrounded a group of five rebels in a two-story house on the outskirts of Makhachkala. The rebels battled the authorities for seventeen hours, killing one of Russia's elite ] ]s and wounding another, until ]s and a ] blew apart most of the house and its neighbour. All the rebels were killed.
			*In the weeks preceding the battle, ] had derailed two trains, sabotaged gas supplies and shot dead a high-ranking ] from ], as well as a local ]. A month later, Major General ], the deputy ], was ] in Makhachkala.
			*On July 1, 2005, eleven Russian ] ] troops were killed and seven wounded in the capital when their trucks were bombed.
			*On August 20, 2005, a remote-controlled bomb killed at least three police officers and wounded several more on a downtown street in the ]. The bomb detonated as a foot patrol walked past a grove of trees.
			*On March 22, 2006, a group of assailants fatally shot the chief administrator of the Botlikh district of Dagestan during a fierce gun battle in Makhachkala.
			*On August 27, 2006, three police officers and four suspected militants were killed during a two-hour gun fight in Makhachkala.
			*On May 14, 2007, police said three rebels were killed and three police commandos wounded in a fierce firefight on ] Street in ].

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Talk

Hasn't this begun much earlier--TheFEARgod (Ч) 18:15, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

I think the start date should be the day of the official ending of the Second Chechen War (15 April 2009), or the day after, since this conflict is a continuation to that war. --IJK_Principle (talk) 19:02, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Casualties

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20100116/157570882.html --TheFEARgod (Ч) 12:24, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

And someone isn't using this figures and editing my contributes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Saiga12 (talk • contribs) 14:48, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Anzor Astemirov killed

Comfirmed by both the Russian side and by the insurgents (viz kavkazcenter.com) --IJK_Principle (talk) 01:46, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

infobox problems

The infobox heading states "2009 to 2010", but then below the picture states "result: ongoing". So, one of these is wrong - either it is ongoing (thus the heading should be without start/end date - the start date is already mentioned below the picture) or it finished in 2010 (thus it should contain "result: whatever the end result is").

The infobox contains "insurgency phase: April 2009 - present", but it isn't clear "phase of what" is this. See for example Civil war in Ingushetia infobox - below the heading it states "part of the 2nd Chechen war and ..."

So, we have the following articles:

First Chechen War marked "1994 - 1996; result: Khasav-Yurt Accord, de facto Chechen independence"
Invasion of Dagestan marked "1999-1999; part of: 2nd Chechen war; result: russian victory and start of 2nd Chechen war"
Second Chechen War marked "1999 - 2009" no markings for "part of something else" and "result"
Civil war in Ingushetia marked "2007 - ongoing; part of 2nd Chechen, North Caucasus insurgency; result - conflict ongoing"
Insurgency in the North Caucasus marked "2009 - ongoing; result - conflict ongoing", no markings for "part of something else"

So, there is an obvious inconsistency of what conflict is part of another conflict, what conflict is result of another conflict, etc. (for example Dagestan conflict - it is either part of 2nd Chechen or its result is the begin of 2nd Chechen. It can't be both at the same time) Also, most of these don't have campaignboxes (such as Template:Campaignbox First Chechen War) and maybe that is the reason for the inconsistency (those of the listed above conflicts, that are marked as part of another conflict, should go as "phase" is the campaignbox of the "umbrella conflict"). Proposal for correction:

Insurgency in the North Caucasus to be moved to Insurgency in the North Caucasus (2009-) and a marking "part of Insurgence in the North Caucasus; result: ongoing". Care should be taken with current redirects such as North Caucasus Insurgency 2009 - these should point to the appropriate article: 1999- or 2009-.
draft name Insurgence in the North Caucasus (1999-) to become an article about all the above conflicts without the 1st Chechen (as the later 4 are inter-related). A Template:Campaignbox Insurgence in the North Caucasus will contain links to Dagestan, 2nd Chechen, Ingushetia, Insurgency 2009-.
Invasion of Dagestan - to be marked "part of the Insurgence in the North Caucasus" (result marking to remain unchanged)
Second Chechen War - to be marked "part of the Insurgence in the North Caucasus" and "result: low-intensity insurgency continues"
Civil war in Ingushetia - to be marked "2007-2009", "part of Insurgence in the North Caucasus", "result: low-intensity insurgency continues"

The Template:Campaignbox Post-Soviet Conflicts can be left as-is, or changed according to the above.

Of course alternative arrangements are possible, but in any case the current one is a self-contradistinction. Alinor (talk) 08:39, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Unrelated material

In early 2005, government forces surrounded a group of five rebels in a two-story house on the outskirts of Makhachkala. The rebels battled the authorities for seventeen hours, killing one of Russia's elite Alpha Group commandos and wounding another, until armored vehicles and a helicopter blew apart most of the house and its neighbour. All the rebels were killed.
In the weeks preceding the battle, insurgents had derailed two trains, sabotaged gas supplies and shot dead a high-ranking intelligence officer from Moscow, as well as a local police chief. A month later, Major General Magomed Omarov, the deputy interior minister, was assassinated in Makhachkala.
On July 1, 2005, eleven Russian MVD ODON troops were killed and seven wounded in the capital when their trucks were bombed.
On August 20, 2005, a remote-controlled bomb killed at least three police officers and wounded several more on a downtown street in the Makhachkala. The bomb detonated as a foot patrol walked past a grove of trees.
On March 22, 2006, a group of assailants fatally shot the chief administrator of the Botlikh district of Dagestan during a fierce gun battle in Makhachkala.
On August 27, 2006, three police officers and four suspected militants were killed during a two-hour gun fight in Makhachkala.
On May 14, 2007, police said three rebels were killed and three police commandos wounded in a fierce firefight on Sheikh Mansur Street in Khasavyurt.

--Asperchu (talk) 13:38, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

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