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== GET RID OF THE HEADER!!!! ==

Seriously. I don't know what it takes to get you to communicate. I usually edit from a 256k Internet connection. That is only 4 times faster than old fashioned dialup. There are hundreds of images on your talk page. And I just finished waiting ''eight minutes'' for your page to load. And then my browser crashed. And I had to turn image loading off. Then I tried to load the page again. It managed to load. And when I had scrolled halfway down my browser started to lag like hell. This is a ''talk page''. It exists to ''send you messages.'' It does not exist to vote in some stupid photo poll. It does not exist to advertise your poll either. Start listening to concerns. This is unacceptable for an administrator with your level of experience. Get straight or get shipped out. Or AbrCom will very likely destroy you. <small class="ad-sig" style="background:#800;border:1px solid black;color:white;">''']&nbsp;]</small> 06:45, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

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Hello, Please renew the semi protection of this article.{{semiprotected}} Humaliwalay (talk) 08:12, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Hello, Please renew the protection {{semiprotected}} - Humaliwalay (talk) 06:33, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Hello, Hope this message finds you good, please help me protecting article Hallaur from repeated vandalism by semi protection. {{semiprotected}}Humaliwalay (talk) 05:02, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Hello, May I know the status of this request? - Humaliwalay (talk) 06:33, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

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I need to send you a confidential email, preferably on the secure portal. Kindly please advice. --Zwinglio (talk) 15:11, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

  • Is it possible to get permission to do some work on Terrorism_in_australia which is semi-protected? The article needs a lot of work to cover australias history of Neo-Nazi terrorism (The ANM/NA bombings) and incidents like the recent Combat-18 mosque attacks? Thankyou in advance Duck Monster (talk) 13:50, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Photo poll

The images are of the Australia national women's cricket team and New Zealand national women's cricket team. . The results will be used to choose which images go into the respective articles. Simply vote by

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Thanks YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 05:26, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

  • Monkey - re. the wording of your sig. These are sportswomen, not "supermodels" - so promoting this as some sort of beauty contest is not appropriate. Please consider changing it. Ta. Plutonium27 (talk) 16:23, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

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Thich Quang Duc's statue

Hi YellowMonkey, FYI, the statue of Thich Quang Duc is completed and it has just been opened for public (the official only removed all barrier last month). You may go to Vietnamese Misplaced Pages to request some pictures. This statue is on my way to school but I have no camera to take photo :P. I think these picture might be a good addition to the article Thich Quang Duc.--AM 01:55, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Right, have to track this down! YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 06:48, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Blocked editor seeks explanation and justification of this administrator's actions

Please discuss your actions in blocking this editor hastily. Please give your justification. Simply deleting the contents of the discussion won't solve the problem, it simply exacerbates it. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 08:06, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Yellowmonkey you have allegations against you of abuse of editors, too, while you have also allegedly mis-used your privileges as an administrator. Please justify your actions. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 08:09, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
Administrator this discussion is the first step that this editor has taken about his block. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 19:45, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
The issue won't go away unless it is addressed. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 12:31, 30 October 2010 (UTC)


South Vietnam in OTD

Hi. I was actually about to make a number of edits of this type, but I see that you functionally reverted me with this edit. Here's the thing: there is way, way, way too much South Vietnam in all the "On This Day" anniversaries. It's great that you've improved many of these articles, but it's bizarre that, say, the Buddhist crisis gets such an intense coverage in "On This Day." South Vietnam was only around ~20 years and was ultimately a rather minor country, yet facts on it appear more on OTD than, say, Austria-Hungary or the Ottoman Empire, both great powers that ruled for centuries. Talk:Main Page#Ngo Dinh Diem brings up this point; there's no need to have Diem-related facts on October 26, November 1, November 2, November 6, and November 11. Lots of these events are things that are ultimately pretty minor and commonplace, like failed assassination attempts or state visits.

Again, it's great that these articles have all been improved, but I definitely think that the coverage is unbalanced here. SnowFire (talk) 04:09, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for improving the main page by replacing sourced articles with unsourced articles YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 01:09, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
...sigh. For the casual reader who reads YM's pithy riposte but doesn't check the edit history, the articles I stuck in I checked, as per policy, to make sure they were not tagged for cleanup. None of them were. All of them had inline sources. In fact, I moved some commented-out articles from the "ready" section to the "don't use" section and noted the problems with them when they were tagged.
I was doing my part to improve Misplaced Pages, and I've done plenty of work on adding sourced articles to Misplaced Pages as well, thank you very much. If you think that all articles on "OTD" should be GAs or better, you're free to suggest so. SnowFire (talk) 02:06, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
Yes, most articles on Misplaced Pages generally aren't tagged because most of them are lacking in most basic facets. You added articles that are 50% unsourced or more, and improved the quality of the articles on display. While articles that go up are nominally untagged, half of them cop a tag when they are OTD, because they were undersourced. Yes Quasi-War and Algerian War of Independence would not last a day without being tagged for cleanup. And yes, the OTD criteria say the article quality is the main determinant. But of course, Misplaced Pages needs more dishevelled stuff like the Algerian war article on teh front page. And I have never insisted on any strict grading on OTD, the current policy, not established by me, is sufficeint YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 02:21, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
And the Burning of Washington was already tagged multiple times when you added it YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 02:25, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

(de-indent) Tags added by an IP address within the past few days, I'd point out. That was the sole one I didn't check, though, as it had been removed due to Picture of the Day concerns - so therefore it'd obviously already been set before, thus no need to check, right?

The Quasi-War and Algerian War articles look fine, though I see you've since tagged up the Algerian War article. Again, I'd expect a good article level article (never mind strict requirements) to have references in each of its sections. The current standard is "doesn't have cleanup tags and is decent." I'd say the Algerian War article looks decent to me. Quasi-War could be longer but also seems basically on-point.

Moreover, all this is irrelevant to my original point, that of balance. If we can find well-done replacement articles that balance the topics, then great, we should both be happy. But I'd definitely say that acceptable articles - ones that meet the minimum standards we set for OTD - should take precedence over even featured-quality articles on topics which are both overrepresented and obscure. SnowFire (talk) 02:42, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Those articles do qualify for cleanup tags, it's just that nobody would bother else most of Misplaced Pages would be tagged, and standards on the front page are different to everyday Misplaced Pages standards. And when these "unstamped" articles end up there, they get tagged. It's only on OTD that people passed half-sourced articles that are unformatted. And finally, everywhere on the front page, the primary determinant is the article, as long as it is about a serious and non-obsecne topic YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 02:47, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
If the day came when Misplaced Pages had enough GA-level articles that it could support having a strict rule that OTD bolded articles should be GA-quality or better, I'd be for it. However, it's not here yet. You seem to be using "a section doesn't have references" as criteria for a cleanup tag, which as you note would imply 99% of Misplaced Pages should have cleanup tags. This would be ridiculous and counterproductive. Misplaced Pages is a work in progress; people know and accept this. Obviously, we didn't just have an empty "on this day" back in 2005 when the average article was far, far worse.
The "Background" section of the Quasi-War article, while it needs cites on the quotes, is correct from what I've read and does have some references, so it's a darn sight better than yon average article. I removed it anyway since I feel it should probably be longer, though. Algeria War, however, looks B-class to me, which is basically the requirement, whether that one section is referenced or not; and it's an interesting and important event (which does matter for OTD). I moved Burning of Washington back to the comments (no replacement), though again, I'm not convinced that it's notably worse than many other OTD entries. SnowFire (talk) 03:22, 4 November 2010 (UTC)


Some laundry

Can you take a look at:

  1. Kochi, the socks that were blocked a few months back are now active again.
  2. List of most populous cities in India and List of most populous metropolitan areas in India - needs some semi-pp, with nothing but bad edits of the "my city is bigger than yours" variety.

Will come back for more soon, once I've had time to go through all the other stuff apparently on only my watchlist. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 04:17, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Nothing on the first mob, otherwise done. YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 01:38, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, I definitely see behavioral overlap between the current lot and the two that we blocked a few months ago, just before the FAR, maybe new jobs. BTW, I think you're aware of a Pathan sockmaster who goes around adding Afghan to all the Khan articles? Chap's active as an IP now (from Qatar I believe). —SpacemanSpiff 04:54, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
I saw something on Zayed Khan. Have you seen all teh fluff about Misplaced Pages coming to India? lol YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 05:13, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, he did on Saif, Aamir, Zayed etc. Didn't see the WP in India stuff, but I thought India articles couldn't get any worse in terms of POV, copyvios, plain nonsense etc., apparently I was wrong, it's possible. —SpacemanSpiff 06:35, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
How the WMF sees India as the new goldmine and is making a big din there with speaking tours and likes. More like a goldmine of copyvio, ethnic and religious fundamentalist POV. There will be a flood of dudes like Yogesh Khandke (talk · contribs) if their initiative works, which'll be funny. As you can see on the mailing list, which is public, all these leaders are queueing, IPL-style feeding frenzy. Yogesh is after me, lol YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 06:57, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
Bingo both. Is Narendra Modi on your watchlist? I think his cadres are afoot, especially today's man YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 01:19, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
I'll add NM to my list, it wasn't on mine. Can you handle the above? I've had some interaction with Lindamd90 before. BTW, looks like Bhajji will be man of series for his batting.—SpacemanSpiff 05:00, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
Has he done anything particularly wrong as a new user? Well Bhajji is a batting allrounder, Pathan style nowadays. But do the MoS judges give him a deduction for his horrible bowling? It just shows how bad Australia were ... North made two centruies in a row against NZ at a slower pace, and it proved that he was genuine international quality, said the selectors. Sehwag should have refused to call off the match early and scored a century, SRT style, hahaha YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 01:24, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
It's the same problem as before, WP:SYNTH in addition to WP:SCRUTINY. I've asked Dab to take a look at the two main articles that are affected, and then there was this bit of creating a similar article with a "1" at the end to present a different POV (I deleted that) -- Upper cloth controversy 1. —SpacemanSpiff 09:29, 18 November 2010 (UTC)


LOLZ!

Hi - for the second time in wikiworld I find an admin that makes me laugh and with such honest down to earth replies that I feel my Wiki-love-ometer rising again :¬)

I think we could keep a good dialogue going on that page for the next two weeks and nothing would happen - ah well I am about to watch the latest episode of outsourced (which is basically a rip off of Mumbai Calling which British TV axed as they are morons)

Chaosdruid (talk) 03:18, 10 November 2010 (UTC) (PS this was moved from your archive as I was an idiot)

See SpacemanSpiff's comments right above, or just his comments generally, or talk to Abecedare and SS. Or look at guys like A.arvind.arasu (talk · contribs). Things like AAA and driveby spamdumps are the norm. Just go to the list of states or large cities, universities, etc, large % ==> prosespam dump. I thought I was being rather gentlemanly and diplomatic YellowMonkey (bananabucket!) 03:42, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

re: Robinson's Arch and Joseph's Tomb on WP:SA

The association of the tomb with the Patriarch Joseph is an old tradition, so there was no datable discovery. The traditional date for Joseph's birth is 1 Tammuz, which in 2011 will fall on 3 July (the traditional calendar is lunar, so the date varies from year to year). The date for his death is variously assigned to 1 or 28th Tammuz. Unfortunately, those are the only dates that I can think of which might apply.

I cannot find an exact date for the discovery of Robinson's Arch, only the year 1838. It may be noted in a notebook somewhere, but is not mentioned in the sources I have available. Although the buildings on the Temple platform were destroyed around 29–30 July in the year 70, it is thought that the arch was destroyed prior to that to block an entry point onto the fortified Temple Mount. • Astynax 04:38, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Oh ok thanks. YellowMonkey (bananabucket!) 04:52, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Selected anniversaries

There are tons of usable FA/GAs out there, except hardly anybody knows to nominate their own FA/GA. I've been harvesting a few from a prolific FA/GA writers on "important" things but it will be rather glacial while hardly anyone cares, or only complains without helping to dig, or only complains about topics they don't like. So we have a few more Brazil and classical music now, but I wonder if you would like to help scan FA writers' userpages. I did suggest to a few to self-serve but they didn't respond in any way YellowMonkey (bananabucket!) 03:48, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Well, YellowMonkey, I have been contemplating a return to SA work, anyway. Thank you for asking! :-) My problem is that I no longer have as much free time as I used to. And frankly, the list of events on the "Days of the Year" wikipages need to be refreshed, too. So this will be quite a bit of work. I'll see what I can do. May I ask what you mean by "scan FA writers' userpages"? Any suggestions which users I should start with? --PFHLai (talk) 04:42, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
Well WP:WBFAN has a list of people with FAs, and I meant, going through their listed articles, and other GAs on their userpage to see if they have good hooks and date relevancy. I tried encouraging some of them to self-serve/nominate but none of the few I asked ever responded. Maybe I give off a nasty vibe and you're more jolly :) ? YellowMonkey (bananabucket!) 04:52, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
Hey, it's not like I get a response that often. My suggestions for DYK get ignored all the time. It's okay. .... I won't be able to start work on the SA templates right away. But I will work on them soon. I might start with the first contributor on the list at WP:WBFAN, so this poor fellow won't get yelled at again for putting wikilinks to his own work on MainPage. :-D Happy editing. Cheers! --PFHLai (talk) 05:23, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Request for help

Hi friend! Long time no see. Please see my talk in Golden Triangle (Southeast Asia) and help me check the information in this article. It’s likely that the map and the list of countries included in this triangle is wrong. Thank you very much.Genghiskhan (talk) 03:31, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

I think so too. I have access to the McCoy textbook at the bottom of the see also. I was reading it because it investiagated whether Ngo Dinh Nhu and Nguyen Cao Ky were drug dealers YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 04:03, 11 November 2010 (UTC)


New article

Help me check http://en.wikipedia.org/Nguy%E1%BB%85n_Minh_Thuy%E1%BA%BFt. TksImpenetrability (talk) 19:24, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

And here is another one Cù Huy Hà Vũ.Thanks.Impenetrability (talk) 04:43, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
Just for improvements? ok YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 01:28, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

I would appreciate you greatly for that. As you read my contribution, you should know that English is not my mother-tongue.Impenetrability (talk) 13:54, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Oh of course. No problem with language YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 01:19, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Selected anniversaries

Thank you for your nice message on my talk page. I'm away from home with very limited internet access at the moment, but will certainly follow up what you say about Selected Anniversaries. - Tim riley (talk) 10:56, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

TheTimesAreAChanging

Yes, why? --TIAYN (talk) 05:02, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Rhodes Scholars

Regarding your edit at Seymour College and your comment "winning a scholarship at uni doesn't give notability", I agree. Even more-so when the quoted-as-notable are red links!

However, taking a different focus, the fact that the school has generated some Rhodes Scholars (particularly female Rhodes Scholars) is notable. What's the best way to address that? A separate section? It's hard to judge - Prince Alfred College#Rhodes Scholars are either blue or black. I'm amused to see St Peter's College, Adelaide#Notable alumni quietly says: "42 Rhodes Scholars". No doubt others say other things.

Your thoughts?

Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:10, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

P.S. Diana Laidlaw is a red link? How strange!
Odd too, but even some heads of the LC have been empty. I'm not sure how female Rhodes scholars are notable in the current age. YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 01:19, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sure how female Rhodes scholars are notable in the current age, either.
Oh dear. You have missed my point. Obviously I was too busy trying to be amusing. Sorry. I'll try again:
Yes, the individuals are not notable. (Independent of their gender.)
However, the fact that the school has produced three Rhodes Scholars (independent of their gender), is notable.
The fact that the school has produced three female Rhodes Scholars is even more notable.
Because a) female Rhodes Scholars are a recent event, and b) there is still a male bias in the number awarded.
Is that better / clearer / more understandable? Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:36, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
I know that you didn't suggest to put individuals there, but I thought that female scholarship winners are relatively common these days. The Rhodes does require "community involvement" (in reality just means signing up to 20 odd clubs and doing nothing, like Misplaced Pages's finest hahaha) and maybe that's where the lack of females comes from. Although I did know one really smart girl who actually went to Redfern and actaully taught indigenous kids there. YellowMonkey (bananabucket!) 06:05, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
I thought that female scholarship winners are relatively common these days - Given that they are 50% of the population, they ought to be! What's your definition of "relatively common"? They certainly don't make up 50% of the recipients ...
in reality ... - Oh dear. How sad - I completely agree! (And I thought I was cynical!)
Although ... - Sorry, not going there ...
Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:33, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Meanwhile ... We seem to have gotten diverted from my original point that: The fact that the school has produced three female Rhodes Scholars is notable., and my original question of: What's the best way to address that? Pdfpdf (talk) 13:45, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Hello?
The fact that the school has produced three female Rhodes Scholars is notable. What's the best way to address that? Pdfpdf (talk) 13:57, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Ping? Pdfpdf (talk) 11:46, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
FYI]. Pdfpdf (talk) 12:06, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

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lol YellowMonkey (bananabucket!) 06:02, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Miami State High School

Hello, I recently updated Miami State High School 's wiki page and you removed my edits under Sound & Lighting. I believe that these were legitimate edits as this is how the hall is set-up and all information is correct. I would like to add more and as I am new to wikipedia were wondering how I go about placing everything back where it was.

Jamietech (talk) 07:56, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Well, look at your most recent edit that teh bot reverted, for a start YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 01:19, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Whoops

How did I miss the September 1964 South Vietnamese coup attempt nom? I was actually looking forward to it and watching for you to post it. I'm getting to be a bit of a Vietnamese history buff thanks to you. Well, I plan to take a look within the next day or two. --Andy Walsh (talk) 03:19, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

FYI

A high quality WP:GA-rated article you had added to Selected anniversaries was removed, please see and , and . Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 17:54, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Hooray for WP:V being optional YellowMonkey (bananabucket!) 06:02, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Sanity prevails

Thank you. Don't forget to make Bwilkins aware of it when you're back. Ncmvocalist (talk) 03:00, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Hey now

An ANI consensus to unblock, and a "useless block", are two very different things. You seem to have acted without consulting Bwilkins, without regard to or commenting in the ANI discussion, and without assuming good faith about Bwilkins' action.

Not a good show. The policy that admins are supposed to assume good faith about each others' actions, and talk to each other about unblocks or at least make sure there's a solid noticeboard consensus (unless there's evidence that a block was simply a technical mistake of some sort), isn't there for no reason at all. I think you owe Bwilkins an apology. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 03:01, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Just because Bwilkins took the action in good faith does not make the block useful. A block that doesn't prevent anything (but punishes users) is a "useless block" which is a detriment to the project; those assets are driven away from the project. If WP:IAR was applied, it was applied correctly - the blocking admin and the admin who declined the unblock really need to get the message. Ncmvocalist (talk) 03:18, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
You are stating a couple of good reasons to unblock. Those do not form any justification to assume bad faith on the part of the blocking administrator, and to ignore the standing, written, and Arbcom-specifically-reminded policy that admins are to consult each other, seek noticeboard consensus, and assume good faith about each others' actions.
I was working up to unblock myself, as I posted on ANI. I understand why you sought that. But I do not understand and am extremely concerned by assumptions of bad faith and a lack of regard for consultations and seeking consensus, which is what seems to have happened here. IAR does not mean "This is a good outcome, stomp on people to get there".
Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 03:28, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
On Misplaced Pages, the concept of negligence manifests itself in the concepts of poor judgement, misuse of tools, failure to comply with policy, and disruption; none of them presumes that an administrator intentionally did something to the detriment of the project. However, when a lapse in judgement is sufficiently severe (that the reasons for an unblock come from visible circumstances prior to the block - not beforehand), and there is a real risk that the project will lose an otherwise useful contributor due to this lapse, the substance (including timeliness) becomes far more critical than the form (including process). Mere good intentions are not enough in the role of an admin, nor are they a sufficient justification to prolong the suffering - that too, for the sake of process. If anything, I believe the process and the original actions have stomped on the people and produced a bad outcome at the same time. Ncmvocalist (talk) 04:00, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
I'll wait for the unblocking admin's reasoning here. Hobit (talk) 04:32, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
I agree with Georgewilliamherbert. By unblocking this user without consensus and without regard to the ongoing discussion, it appears to me that you acted both uncollegially and unprofessionally in this instance.  Sandstein  07:34, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
I did look at AN and read the discussion, which is how I came to know of the block, rather than from a watchlist. I read the unblock petition and thought that there was a consensus, and also looked at Dr Blofeld's last one hour before the block, which consisted of article writing and trying to justify himself on ANI, not making specific personal comments or the like. So those are the reasons for the unblock. As for the means of communication, I have failed, and should explain properly instead of being snippy. YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 04:19, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
Yep. Enigma 15:25, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Yep. What? You think I'd have been better off blocked today when I've expanded Montevideo. Such disruption... That is partly why Yellow Monkey unblocked me because he knows that is is just a waste of time and there is absoutely nothing that can be achieved by blocking me for two days, that's why. Tis OK now , I've smoothed things over with Sandstein. Its over now so please move on. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:12, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Nope. I'm glad you've smoothed things over with Sandstein, but that has nothing to do with me. I agreed with something Sandstein said. I don't think you're the arbiter of when something is or isn't allowed to be commented upon. Enigma 01:32, 21 November 2010 (UTC)


The reason why I was unblocked was plain and simple. I was blocked for "harrassment of Sarek" not for the teeth remark. I had already apologised for the teeth remark and had already but up a wiki break notice to acknolwedge I lost my temper and that it was inappropriate. . By that time I had even invited the original person I was in conflict with to constructively begin working on the Lhasa article. Similarly I was no longer "harssing" Sarek and was actually harassed by them 3 times. Even Sarek of Vulcan said "who said anything about blocking" for that comment so he oviously diagrees with your Sandstein. Your reasons fornot unblocking me Sandstein were wrong. See the history of the ANI page. I had said sorry for that incident hours before hand and had porposed to move forward construcively. Your actions to prove a point and say oh yes everybody must be 100% civil at all times and at all costs at times is hopelessly redundant. The real world does not work like that. If you had blocked by yesterday morning immediately after my comment then I'd not have quesitoned it, it would have been justified. but not after we had patched it up and had begun discussing how to move constuctively forward. There was aboslutely nothing to gain from me being blocked from wikipedia and the work I am putting into wikipedia e.g Montevideo sand later hopefully some Vietnamese rivers to transwiki would not be taking place without me here. Your refusal to unblock looked like you had to prove a point and "do it by the book". As for you accusing Yellow Monkey of acting unprofessionally. really... As for my "swearing" it ws pretty mild, certainly less offensive than the very colorful words I see used on here from time to time. Please do a little background research when faced with similar scenarios in the future. At ANI I said "I'm sorry for what I said, what more can I say?" and then I left a message on 2002's tlak page telling him the correct way to approach the situation and that I'd be happy to write the article with him. And you think it is appropriate to block me hours after for disruption when I had actually started to put it behind me and was actually in the middle of writing an article when I was blocked? Sigh♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:19, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

I have mentioned this case here. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 03:41, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Complaint against you.

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Administrator there is a complaint against you. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 14:09, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Kamadhenu...

I will copy edit this article but feel we need a Hindu mythology expert to prevent inadvertent mistakes. Do you know who we can ask? Cheers, Shir-El too 18:10, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

ANI

YM, it would be greatly appreciated if you could share your thoughts at WP:ANI#Yogesh Khandke and Three Admins. The other two admins concerned have done so, but there are questions about at least one of your admin actions. I'm sure you've read WP:ADMIN many more times than I, but allow me to gently remind you of WP:ADMIN#Accountability, which requires us to respond to concerns raised by the community over our actions. Thanks, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:06, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

You need to give some sort of response there. It's been almost two days. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 07:37, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
The ANI thread has turned into a bit of a circus. The wise would probably not want to get involved there. I believe concerns should be raised here by summarizing. One or two uninvolved editors should take the lead to minimize the antagonism. Jehochman 16:22, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

As you know, YM, I have great respect for you and have worked alongside you at FAC for years. I think that this matter could be addressed simply if you would just explain what happened. If you made an error, just say so and I think that will calm things down a lot. Ignoring the thread will just escalate matters. Please reply either here or at AN/I. Thank you for your past and future contributions to Misplaced Pages.--Wehwalt (talk) 17:04, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Well, as was normal and can be verified from my contribution log or one of those edit counters with the the distribution of edits per time of the week, I wasn't online during the weekend, apart from a few handful of minutes due to limited access, and during such limited access, I normally only do things that take a very short amount of time, eg an automated revert, small tweak to FAC query etc, rather than open up large pages such as this, FAR, FAC, ANI etc which can sometimes stall the computer for a few minutes. I just checked my edit log again and haven't seen any edit to a large page on weekends for a while, especially as apart from the long loading it also takes a long time to reply to things, apart from saying "done - sign here" on some FAC punctuation. Recently I have not been on WP much due to some RL paperwork deadlines; last week I see two weekdays with less than 10 edits, and the week before, a day with none; and in the last two weeks, a large chunk of the edits have just been adding tags to various things, which while it might appear I have been reasonably active compared to other months, really, they have been very easy edits with little/no research/preparation needed etc. As for the block, obviously I feel that YK is not and will not be useful for WP, and don't think his edits before he was blocked were anything except an obstruction (nor his subsequent activities), but I can see that most people disagree with me, so that's not a problem. I don't think I'm the sort to chance my arm over and over with things similar to previous things that get rolled back, unlike, eg GWH and some other ANI regulars, who keeps on doing these blocks under similar analogous circumstances that keep on getting rolled back over and over. I'm not a supporter of the British Empire, and haven't edited anything pre-20th century related to the BE/Comm, so it's not as though I should bother when most people and YK's reverters do not care or do not want me to. YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 06:31, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
I think one concern is the length of block, and another the lack of a block template.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:33, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
You could make your talk page shorter. Alio The Fool 15:54, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Not everyone has the resources to contribute at the level you do. Every editor who learns to follow policies is useful to Misplaced Pages, some in small ways, some in much larger ways. Zuggernaut (talk) 17:53, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

ArbCom political parties

Personally, I have reservations about having politics tied to the Arbitration Committee, but I can understand that there might be a good purpose to having people as it were announce their stances on certain matters prior to becoming in any way at all "official." User:John Carter/Wikipedia:The Next Generation is a rough essay I have written about a few ideas which might help reduce the amount of time and effort spent in certain areas around here. The disadvantage, of course, is that, as a work, it is disastrously poorly written and organized. If, and I know this is a big if, you were to want to read it, and if you thought it of any value, please feel free to do any of the editing it so clearly needs to help make it a bit more presentable prior to a possible move to main wikipedia space. Thanks for your attention. John Carter (talk) 20:00, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

FAR

Hi YM - Could you revisit your Technopark, Kerala FAR nom? There's an editor asking for clarification on your comments. Thanks, Dana boomer (talk) 15:20, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

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RfC/U

YellowMonkey, I'm very sorry to have to do this, but I have opened a Request for Comment on you regarding your block of Yogesh Khandke and your lack of response to community concerns. Please do come to Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/YellowMonkey and join the discussion. Thank you, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:20, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I'm looking forward to a reunion with some freedom fighter comrades, martyrs, and supreme warriors. Thanks YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 06:32, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Judging from that page, there's nothing like a good old-fashioned admin witch-hunt. I particularly like the editors who agree with your blocks but then go on to damn you for not using the various templates to notify the boneheads who were blocked... Nick-D (talk) 10:36, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

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WikiProject India Newsletter Volume V, Issue no. 2 - November 2010

English WikiProject News

After a missed issue, the WP:IND newsletter is back on track to being a regular bimonthly feature. The Indian WikiProject has seen plenty of online and off-line action, both in English as well as other Indian languages, and we now have a bigger, better format that intends to feature content and news from the English as well as other Indian language Wikipedias.

Reaching out to Indians has been the theme of the Indian Wikiproject over the past couple of months, aiming to involve a greater number of Indians in editing both the English and Indian language Wikipedias. To this end, efforts to set up the Indian chapter of Wikimedia have moved into their final stages, and registration of the society is currently pending. An effort is underway to push for "WikiMarathons" at meetups, where attendees will be encouraged to edit the English and/or Indian language Wikipedias. This is intended to popularise Misplaced Pages editing among the general public. In addition, a bot to post DYK's from the Indian Wikiproject to Twitter was created and launched by User:Logicwiki.


What's New?

Regrettably, the number of Featured Articles has dropped from 63 in June to 58 at the end of October 2010. Several FAs came up for review and were delisted, while Fundamental Rights, Directive Principles and Fundamental Duties of India was saved. Meanwhile, Chalukya Dynasty appeared on the main page on July 9, 2010. Hearteningly, the number of Good Articles increased from 130 to 136 during the same period, while the number of Featured Lists remained constant at 16.

The source code for the Article Alert Bot is now available and the bot itself is expected to be up and running very shortly. This means that article alerts for the Indian Wikiproject will again be available, enabling editors to easily keep track of developments in respect of reviews, nominations, deletions etc.

The date change vandal mentioned briefly in the previous issue made a reappearance when the range block on his IP range expired in September. Consequently the block was extended till September 2011.

In October there was a heated discussion in the India project noticeboard regarding the copyright status of the Indian party symbols. The discussion was triggered by the deletion of Wiki San Roze's party symbol images by Hammersoft as copyright violations. No resolution was reached, partly because of our inability to explain to Hammersoft how election symbols in India differ from party logos. Comments are requested from anyone with a background in Indian copyright law to clarify this issue.

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    News from Indian-language Wikipedias
    • The Bengali Wikisource, which contains the literary works of many prominent writers of Bengali language including Rabindranath Tagore, has crossed the 5,000 pages milestone. According to List of Wikisource page, Bengali Wikisource is now at rank 21 among 56 Wikisource based on number of content pages.
    The Tamil Misplaced Pages stall at the World Classical Tamil Conference 2010 in Coimbatore in June 2010.
    Jimmy Wales introduces the Malayalam Misplaced Pages CD of 500 selected articles during his key note address at Wikimania 2010 at Gdansk.
    • The Hindi Misplaced Pages and its sister wiki projects migrated to the new vector interface on September 1, 2010. In addition, Hindi is the first (and so far the only) Indian language to be incorporated into the WikiBhasha translation and contribution toolkit developed by Microsoft Research.


    Community news
    The first meetup in Delhi on 22 September 2010.

    Mumbai and Delhi held their first meetups in September, where Wikimedia Board members Barry Newstead and Bishakha Datta met up with Wikipedians and other interested members of the public in these cities. A month later, Hyderabad also held its first meetup.

    Arun Ram, Shiju Alex and Barry Newstead releasing the Wikimedia India community newsletter at the nineteenth Bangalore meetup on 24 September 2010.

    Wikipedians in Bangalore continued their tradition of meeting up regularly at the Centre for Internet and Society, with the nineteenth meetup in September featuring Barry and Bishaka as attendees, and marking the release of the community newsletter. Along with Delhi and Mumbai, Bangalore is reported to be one of the three cities in contention for the Indian office of the Misplaced Pages Foundation.

    Jimmy Wales speech at the Mumbai Misplaced Pages Meetup #3 on 31 October 2010. Intro by User:Bishdatta & User:Arunram. (Recorded by User:AshLin.)

    Misplaced Pages founder Jimmy Wales had an interaction with Wikipedians followed by a presentation to members of the public at the third Misplaced Pages meetup in Mumbai on October 31, 2010.

    The first Wikimarathon, where Wikipedians and members of the public were encouraged to contribute to Wikimedia projects onsite, was held simultaneously at the meetups in Bangalore and Chennai on November 14, 2010. Wikipedians in Delhi also held a meetup the same day.

    The Malayalam Misplaced Pages held several academies in different parts of Kerala over the past few months.

    Wikimedia Foundation board member Bishakha Datta and Indian Wikipedian Srinivas Gunta co-authored a panel presentation at Wikimania 2010 on the Wikimedia Asia Project.

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    Question

    Can you give any clarificatory response to Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_comment/YellowMonkey#Outside_view_by_Quigley? It sounds really bad. Rd232 21:41, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

    GOCE Drive – Final push

    Greetings GOCE Backlog elimination drive participant, We are now coming up to the last few days of the drive, the last for 2010. Currently, it looks like we will achieve our target for reducing the backlog by 10%, however, we still have huge numbers for 2009. We have 55 participants in this drive. If everyone just clears 2 articles each, we will reduce the backlog by a further 110 articles. If everyone can just do 3 articles, we will hit 165. If you have yet to work on any articles and have rollover words, remember that you do need to copyedit at least a couple of articles in this drive for your previous rollover to be valid for the next drive. There are many very small articles that will take less than 5-10 minutes to copyedit. Use CatScan to find them. Let's all concentrate our firepower on the first three months of 2009 as we approach the end of this final drive for the year. Thank you once again for participating, and see you at the finish line! – SMasters (talk) 04:03, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

    User talk page

    You were recently involved at an RFA where the size and complexity of the user's talk page was an issue. It strikes me that your own talk page has some similar issues, albeit slightly milder. The photo poll is large and old, and should probably have been on a subpage in the first place. I'd suggest that you might do your visitors a service by either archiving or subpaging it - particularly for any who might be newcomers and/or on slower connections. Rd232 17:26, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

    Important

    Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/Long user talk headers. Access Denied 17:43, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

    The discussion at MFD has closed as "Keep", with no prejudice against discussions here to reach mutually acceptable solutions. --RL0919 (talk) 17:12, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

    Protection of Financial centre

    This article was protected a year ago after a single case of sockpuppetry. As the article had attracted significant positive contributions by an IP editor is it OK for it to be unprotected? -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 21:49, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

    The Signpost: 29 November 2010

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    Arbitration request notification

    You are involved in a recently-filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests#YellowMonkey and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the following resources may be of use—

    Thanks, Serpent's Choice (talk) 22:12, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

    Also, signed now. Shows how often I've had occasion to use THAT template. My apologies. Serpent's Choice (talk) 22:12, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
    (Note, the above wasn't posted by me. I don't know who added the notification, or why they didn't sign their post.)

    You need to start responding punctually and substantially to communications, and you need to start now, unless you want to be desysopped. You are a fantastic contributor, and it'd be a genuine shame to lose you, but you're hardly helping yourself with your present approach. AGK 22:06, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

    GOCE elections

    Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors

    Elections are currently underway for our inaugural Guild coordinators. The voting period will run for 14 days: 00:01 UTC, Friday 1 December – 23:59 UTC, Tuesday 14 December. All GOCE members in good standing, as well as past participants of any of the Guild's Backlog elimination drives, are eligible to vote. There are six candidates vying for four positions. The candidate with the highest number of votes will become the Lead Coordinator, therefore, your vote really matters! Cast your vote today.

    Sent on behalf of the Guild of Copy Editors via SMasters using AWB on 02:36, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

    GOCE Barnstar

    The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
    This barnstar is awarded to YelowMonkey for efforts during the November GOCE copy edit drive. Thank you for participating! Diannaa 00:26, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

    GET RID OF THE HEADER!!!!

    Seriously. I don't know what it takes to get you to communicate. I usually edit from a 256k Internet connection. That is only 4 times faster than old fashioned dialup. There are hundreds of images on your talk page. And I just finished waiting eight minutes for your page to load. And then my browser crashed. And I had to turn image loading off. Then I tried to load the page again. It managed to load. And when I had scrolled halfway down my browser started to lag like hell. This is a talk page. It exists to send you messages. It does not exist to vote in some stupid photo poll. It does not exist to advertise your poll either. Start listening to concerns. This is unacceptable for an administrator with your level of experience. Get straight or get shipped out. Or AbrCom will very likely destroy you. Access Denied 06:45, 3 December 2010 (UTC)