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::Yes, the one on the top of the page. I'm not concerned with the NisarKand request anymore. And yes, anyone who wants to speak up in favor of a CU request here and can provide evidence to back it up may add. — ] <sup>]</sup> 00:35, 22 December 2010 (UTC) ::Yes, the one on the top of the page. I'm not concerned with the NisarKand request anymore. And yes, anyone who wants to speak up in favor of a CU request here and can provide evidence to back it up may add. — ] <sup>]</sup> 00:35, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
::: Ok, will do that tomorrow. Too late now on my side of the globe. ] (]) 00:39, 22 December 2010 (UTC) ::: Ok, will do that tomorrow. Too late now on my side of the globe. ] (]) 00:39, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
*It should also be noted that ] is one of several sockpuppets used by ] from ], a friend of ].--] (]) 15:07, 22 December 2010 (UTC)


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Lagoo sab

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Populated account categories: confirmed · suspected

For archived investigations, see Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Lagoo sab/Archive.

A long-term abuse case exists at Misplaced Pages:Long-term abuse/Lagoo sab.

– An administrator or SPI clerk has placed this case on hold pending further information or developments.


21 December 2010
Suspected sockpuppets

Taken from lost October request

Added from comments below

Please list evidence below this line. Remember to sign at the end of your section with 4 tilde characters "~~~~"

See Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/NisarKand; it appears there was a lost case a few months ago, for which checkuser evidence would be enlightening. Please note I am not necessarily accusing Lagoo sab of anything, simply processing the diligence required of an admin when he is asked to mediate an edit war. Magog the Ogre (talk) 19:28, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Regarding users Lagoo Sab, Jrsko, Kaddoo:

user:Kaddoo has raised my antenna for sockpuppeteering. He reported my speaker population dispute with Lagoo Sab on 3RR despite not editing any of the articles Lagoo Sab and I are editing while at the same time throwing sockpuppet accusation into the arena ]. The 3RR was quickly investigated by Magog tO. Kaddoo registered in June 2010. After editing in 5 different, Afghanistan related articles, he reported Inuit18 as a vandal. . They both have intersect edits in 2 articles . However, prior to his vandal report, the users did not edit the same articles . Kaddoo has older knowledge about Inuits vandalism, pointing toward a more involved editor. At the same time, Kaddoo reports user Tajik for SPI with whom he as intersect edits of 4 articles and didn't edit any of the same articles prior to his report . Kaddoo keeps adding new suspects which seems to me to point towards a longer history with WP then visible at first sight. He also adds what I think is a template to other user pages he suspects to be user: Tajik. . I haven't edited any of the same articles as Kaddoo, but he was the one who reported me as violating 3RR when having a dispute with Lagoo Sab about speaker population figures and supporting sources. It is also noteworthy that Lagoo Sab keeps speculating about my identity (see above ANI for diffs) I believe Inuit18 was one of the users I am supposed to be amongst several others.
Evidence regarding edit behavior of Kaddoo, Lagoo Sab, Jrsko: . This is a collection of all edits sind user registration. Noticable is, despite editing in the same field, there are hardly any intersect edits: 0 intersects 7 intersects 0 intersects.
All is incommon, that they have an aversion to Tajiks, Shiites and call persian POV to whoever is not editing in their favor.
Evidence presented:
Lagoo Sab: 02:28, 6 December 2010 (diff | hist) Pashto language (’Official Status: rvv, Chartinael = anti-Pashtun POV-pusher, this article is about "Pashto" NOT about your Dari language and I know you're a Tajik ethnocentric) (if you need to read up with more diffs on my dispute with Lagoo Sab on figures and sources:
Jrkso identity questioning: I feel that User:JCAla, User:Tajik, and User:Cabolitae should not remove the tags since they belong to the same particular group.--Jrkso (talk) 12:50, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Further noticable user pages of Jrkso is a one liner as is Kaddoo.
Kaddoo: 14:11, 10 August 2010 (diff | hist) N User:Kaddoo ‎ (←Created page with 'Hi, I'm an American serving in U.S. military in Afghanistan. I train Afghans.') (top)
Jrkso: 02:03, 2 November 2009 Jrkso (talk | contribs) (49 bytes) (←Created page with 'My name is Jason, and I work for a media company.')

Chartinael (talk) 13:33, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Regarding Kaki joe. I am not sure, why no intersect edits come up with Lagoo Sab, although both have edited the same articles, namely Afghanistan and Pashto are shared articles for sure. nor here . His data is not included in the xls-file provided above. Chartinael (talk) 13:48, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Comments by other users

Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.

The editor Inuit18 (talk · contribs) who added my name in the October 2010 CU request is a banned editor . fish CheckUser is not for fishing, listing me here is considered fishing because I didn't violate anything. Instead, what I did was provide a valid argument in the talk pages of 2 articles (Talk:Languages of Afghanistan#Problem with CIA estimates for languages of Afghanistan and Talk:Afghanistan#Problem with CIA estimates for languages of Afghanistan) so that the info is corrected. To thank me for this, User:Magog the Ogre decided to report me here. Seems to me that nobody follow rules, each person makes up own rules as they go along, and I feel this is a revenge to give me a bad name even though I'm improving articles in Misplaced Pages. I am against incorrect information presented as a fact in Misplaced Pages. As a result of too many mistakes and errors accepted by the west (America and NATO countries), they are now suffering and slowly going down the drain while countries in Asia are rising to the top.--Lagoo sab (talk) 20:40, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Please assume good faith - especially given my words above. If you're not the same person, you have nothing to worry about. Magog the Ogre (talk) 21:55, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
There is nothing for me to be afraid of or be worried about, I think I should be allowed to defend myself in each and every circumstance in my own free words. I felt this because you didn't bother to investigate the other editors who are all sharing the same POV and displaying a strong connection. Instead, you chose me so I needed to highlight this.--Lagoo sab (talk) 22:14, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Oh really? Magog the Ogre (talk) 22:32, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
I would like to add another name to the check-list: User:Jrkso. Tajik (talk) 22:42, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Is it possible to add a name? If so, user:Kaddoo has raised my antenna for sockpuppeteering. He reported my speaker population dispute with Lagoo Sab on 3RR despite not editing any of the articles Lagoo Sab and I are editing while at the same time throwing sockpuppet accusation into the arena ]. Now that doesn't mean much, however, after just a few edits following account creation end of June this year he accused user Tajik of sockpuppeteering calling it an ongoing issue with Tajik since 2006 and keeps adding new suspects which seems to me to point towards a longer history with WP then visible at first sight. He also adds what I think is a template to other user pages he suspects to be user: Tajik. . It is also noteworthy that Lagoo Sab keeps speculating about my identity. I believe Inuit was one of the users I am supposed to be. Chartinael (talk) 23:05, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Guys, I haven't looked at the content of either of these, but do other characteristics like editing style fit the glove? If not, I'm worried that indeed this is becoming a weapon to use against an opponent (e.g., checkuser is not for fishing). Why the hell can't you guys just fucking talk the issue over on the talk pages instead of spreading the issue like a wildfire across so many pages and making it all personal? Magog the Ogre (talk) 23:10, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
I am not familiar with this procedure and what to look for. I found it odd that somebody I have never encountered before accuses me of having a connection with other users. I have noted, that Kaddoo likes to format his references identical to Lagoo Sab, I have no clue as to who or how the other user in question as to whose sock Lagoo might possibly be has edited. I only connected Lagoo to Kaddoo because of the 3RR back in October you responded to. Chartinael (talk) 23:14, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Alright. Magog the Ogre (talk) 23:21, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
a) No, this is not a weapon. I am just curious. Because both users not only have the same writing style, but also the same POV and fields of interest.
b) I am still trying to talk and find a consensus. But he is not interested. He adds to articles whatever sources he has googled (as long as they suit his POV), while immediately removing others that he does not like, for example here. His comments regarding the CIA Factbook are without any doubt WP:OR. I am not the only one saying that his edits are mostly POV and OR. But that's off topic here ... Tajik (talk) 23:25, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Just remembered, I explained something relating to October 2010 CU here which should also be examined. Thanks--Lagoo sab (talk) 00:21, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Okay, everyone stop. This is not the right venue to have your battles; we're here to discuss the plausibility of running a checkuser to compare Lagoo sab to other people. First, someone needs to update the Suspected sockpuppets section above to list the potential sockpuppets. After that, all I want is a concise explanation (preferably using diffs) to explain why we should look into those editors as being potential socks. And then I (or another clerk) will determine whether or not a CU is needed. Until then, take your bickering elsewhere. — HelloAnnyong 00:16, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Is the list you are referring to the one on top of this page? Or the one on the October request for NisarKand? Do you mean to add the names there can be done by anyone, like myself? And then to point out specific thoughts as to why this appears plausible? Does my reasoning above suffice or does it have to be more detailled? Chartinael (talk) 00:28, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
Yes, the one on the top of the page. I'm not concerned with the NisarKand request anymore. And yes, anyone who wants to speak up in favor of a CU request here and can provide evidence to back it up may add. — HelloAnnyong 00:35, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
Ok, will do that tomorrow. Too late now on my side of the globe. Chartinael (talk) 00:39, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
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