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	:Here is yet another more recent reliable source referring to topic at hand. As it can't be used in article, can perhaps be presented here in full:

	Investment Weekly News

	January 1, 2011

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	have for weeks dominated each and every page on Misplaced Pages, accompanied by a request for donations. Seen by 400 million unique visitors monthly, Mr. Wales is arguably the single most visible individual on the planet, surpassing even top celebrities, politicians and religious leaders.

	While unquestionably effective for promoting Mr. Wales, is this strategy best for Misplaced Pages? Alex Konanykhin, founder of WikiExperts.us, believes that advertising revenues could provide incomparably better financing of Misplaced Pages, without affecting its neutrality. WikiExperts knows about Misplaced Pages's business potential first-hand, as it is inundated with business requests for Misplaced Pages profiles.

	"Would we have a more easily searchable Internet if, instead of relying on $23 billion of annual revenues, Google adorned every search page with its founders' pictures and their personal appeal to donate?" asks Konanykhin. "The banner with Mr. Wales' image is viewed roughly 3,000 times every second. Wouldn't it make more sense to show tasteful ads of advertisers like Rolex and Audi? Is the public truly being asked to donate $16,000,000 to finance Misplaced Pages ... or a personal ego trip?"

	Konanykhin explains that the donations-only, no-commerce model restricts Misplaced Pages to relying exclusively on free volunteers, and losing opportunities to involve qualified professionals who charge for their time. As the result, no qualification is required to become a Misplaced Pages expert or administrator in any field of science, and contributions by prominent professors are routinely removed or edited by undergraduate students.

	For example, Carl Hewitt, a professor emeritus from MIT, is just one of the many subject-matter experts that have been banned from Misplaced Pages. Hewitt wrote a paper on his experience, with the following summary: "Misplaced Pages's business model is generating Web traffic for articles of conventional wisdom and morality that are heavily censored by a commune of mostly anonymous Administrators to motivate financial contributions."

	Anonymity in submission regularly results in libel and disinformation. One such case was the Misplaced Pages Biography of John Seigenthaler Sr., the former administrative assistant to Attorney General Robert Kennedy in the early 1960s. Seigenthaler was falsely accused of involvement in the Kennedy assassinations by anonymous editors. The accusations stayed online for 132 days, and were spread to "Misplaced Pages mirror" sites throughout the Internet.

	"We believe that boycotting fundraising efforts of Misplaced Pages might compel it to raise billions via advertising and develop content of significantly better quality. Qualified contributors may and shall be compensated for their time. History has repeatedly proven that free labor is not the best business model in the long run and on a large scale," points out Alex Konanykhin, who grew up in the Soviet Union until immigrating to the USA in 1992 at the age of 25 and founding KMGi, a widely acclaimed online visibility company and a parent company of WikiExperts.us.

	In the past, WikiExperts supported Misplaced Pages fundraising. What changed? "In its almost 10-year history, the anonymous, volunteer-only community of Misplaced Pages has evolved to support an adversarial relationship with subject-matter experts, organizations and companies. This severely limits the growth potential of Misplaced Pages, no matter how much money is raised," says David Barberi, COO of WikiExperts.

	"The no-banners environment on Misplaced Pages was quite enjoyable and required a relatively low amount of donations. Now we have the worst of both words: huge Jimmy Wales banners which have become a subject of Internet-wide ridicule, combined with the tripled donations goal and failing content development strategy," adds Konanykhin.

	For more information, email David Barberi at DB@WikiExperts.us or call (212) 216-0001.

	Keywords: Advertise, Advertising, Finance, Financial, Internet, Investing, Investment, Web Traffic, WikiExperts.us, World Wide Web. This article was prepared by Investment Weekly News editors from staff and other reports. Copyright 2011, Investment Weekly News via VerticalNews.com.
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Erdős number in introduction

Do others agree with me that having someone's Erdős number in the introduction is awkward? __meco (talk) 08:07, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree. Maybe it should go in the bio section, with the names of those whose co-authorship earns him the number. On it's own it reads a bit like his shoe size, at least to someone unfamiliar with the term. Kevin (talk) 10:20, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Please discuss reverts

The incident concerning Hewitt's ban by Misplaced Pages administrators excited worldwide comment, as is easily shown by reliable sources.

To insist that it not be noted in the article seems inexplicable.

Calamitybrook (talk) 21:58, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

The idea is "revert & discuss." So will revert.

Calamitybrook (talk)

Page protection

Calamity Brook, I've protected the page to prevent a BLP violation. There's consensus (see the archives and history) that this material is inappropriate. The person who drew the media's attention to the situation, and who acted as the source, was also involved in the ArbCom case in opposition to the subject, so it was an unfortunate situation that's best left behind us. The page has been calm recently, and hopefully it will stay that way. SlimVirgin

Consensus has changed as of now.

Your not making a coherent argument.

Deepthroat both drew the media's attention to Watergate and acted as a source. So what??

There are two major news sources quoted from UK and from NZ, and a significant news source from Germany. Undoubtedly there are numerous other reliable sources.

Understand that these are quite clearly very reliable secondary sources that are spread worldwide in at least a couple of languages. That's all that's required for expanding an article in Misplaced Pages, despite the views of a few administrators.

Calamitybrook (talk) 01:26, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

I've explained why it's a BLP violation, CB, and I don't really want to get into the details on this talk page. Suffice to say the circular sourcing was problematic. If you disagree with me, you're welcome to take it to the BLP noticeboard. SlimVirgin 01:38, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

The arbitration appears to have concerned problematic editing by Hewitt & had nothing to do with the subsequent worldwide reporting by multiple, highly reliable secondary sources on this matter.

Inclusion of such notable material is well within Misplaced Pages policies concerning biographies of living persons. You make no contrary arguments. In fact, you make no argument at all.

Calamitybrook (talk) 01:44, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

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