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:Jeremy Clarkson labeled her as bisexual at the very beginning, and at the very end of the interview, both times she was unable to respond even if she wanted to. The fact that it is filmed in advance is irrelevant, because the way it was said it wasn't possible to edit out. Her coming out at GLAAD was something that was planned far in advance and all of the media information given at the event indicated that she identifies as a lesbian. Coming out as a lesbian could potentially have a much greater negative effect on her career vs coming out as a bisexual, and if they were mistaken in labeling her, GLAAD or Amber would have put out a correction before the news went mainstream. ] (]) 20:44, 21 February 2011 (UTC) :Jeremy Clarkson labeled her as bisexual at the very beginning, and at the very end of the interview, both times she was unable to respond even if she wanted to. The fact that it is filmed in advance is irrelevant, because the way it was said it wasn't possible to edit out. Her coming out at GLAAD was something that was planned far in advance and all of the media information given at the event indicated that she identifies as a lesbian. Coming out as a lesbian could potentially have a much greater negative effect on her career vs coming out as a bisexual, and if they were mistaken in labeling her, GLAAD or Amber would have put out a correction before the news went mainstream. ] (]) 20:44, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
::You may very well be correct, but I'm not seeing any ] to back up what you're saying, so it's all conjecture or speculation, which on Misplaced Pages falls under ] and can not be used. Note that I am not saying it would be appropriate for Misplaced Pages to label her bisexual either. The word of this one host does not carry more ] than the several other outlets who labelled her a lesbian. But the point of the ] policy regarding sexuality and religion is to allow each individial to define themselves. And since Heard has so far refrained from clearly labelling herself, Misplaced Pages shouldn't either. ] (]) 12:10, 22 February 2011 (UTC)


From what I can find, there are no interviews or statements in ] where Heard actually ''self-identifies'' as a lesbian (or bisexual for that matter.) has a good list of media coverage of her coming out (scroll down to the bottom of that page) and most of those sources say she came out as a lesbian, but looking at which was the only outlet that spoke to her directly, the closest she comes to self-identifying is: ''"I hate the idea of a label just as much as anyone else but I’m with who I’m with, I love who I love."'' The article text could perhaps be more precise in describing the situation. Also per ] ("Categories regarding religious beliefs and sexual orientation should not be used unless the subject has publicly self-identified with the belief or orientation in question") she probably should not be listed in the lesbian category. ] (]) 13:24, 21 February 2011 (UTC) From what I can find, there are no interviews or statements in ] where Heard actually ''self-identifies'' as a lesbian (or bisexual for that matter.) has a good list of media coverage of her coming out (scroll down to the bottom of that page) and most of those sources say she came out as a lesbian, but looking at which was the only outlet that spoke to her directly, the closest she comes to self-identifying is: ''"I hate the idea of a label just as much as anyone else but I’m with who I’m with, I love who I love."'' The article text could perhaps be more precise in describing the situation. Also per ] ("Categories regarding religious beliefs and sexual orientation should not be used unless the subject has publicly self-identified with the belief or orientation in question") she probably should not be listed in the lesbian category. ] (]) 13:24, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

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Non-neutral point of view vanity page? Everything is written in a promotional tone like it was posted by her agent. 140.247.251.213 (talk) 21:18, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

  • Well, either this is taken from http://www.amber-heard.net/info/bio.php or they took it from here, or maybe it's from somewhere else. It definitely has POV and referencing problems. From the dates, I believe they took it from here (and placed an invalid copyright tag on it), but I'm not sure, since amber-heard.net doesn't have history info (although I will check the Internet Archive later). Either way, this article needs a whole lot of work -- I'll try to take a shot at it tonight. Thanks for the comment! -- ArglebargleIV (talk) 23:38, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Sourcing

This article is in dire need of sourcing, and it's somewhat suspicious in that regard. Articles this well-written yet lacking sources is a big red flag indicating, as has been suggested above this section, that the material has been copied and pasted from that fanpage. Even with someone's rewrite, the content is still obviously from it, so I tagged the article as a close paraphrase.

Also, in regard to the quotes I removed, they made the article sound like an autobio, and if you quote someone word for word, it definitely requires a legit source.  Mbinebri  03:52, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Gay rights

Her relationship with Tasya van Ree (girlfriend) needs to be mentioned, as well as their activism for gay rights and other acts of philanthropy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.73.138.113 (talk) 12:52, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Got a reliable source? Tabercil (talk) 16:33, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Life.com refers to them as girlfriends 3 times (photos from August 19th, 2010):

http://www.life.com/image/103474561
http://www.life.com/image/103474563
http://www.life.com/image/103474548 —Preceding unsigned comment added by EBLCLA (talkcontribs) 00:04, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Tasya van Ree also posted this article on her blog:

http://tasyavanree.com/news/isabel-lucas-matt-dallas-tasya-van-ree-art-exhibition

- The article says "Tasya was also supported by her girlfriend, Zombieland babe Amber Heard. What a staggering hot couple!". Tasya obviously does not deny this if she posted it.

From one of Tasya's interviews with AfterEllen.com (a website for lesbian and bisexual women): "One of her frequent subjects is actress Amber Heard, who she references as her "muse." She told us that Amber is to her as "Gala is to Salvador Dali, Kiki de Montparnasse is to Man Ray, Beatrice is to Dante Alighieri." All the couples she refers to were lovers.

http://www.afterellen.com/people/2010/8/tasya-van-ree?page=0,1

Amber Heard's "Charity" page on her official website:

http://amberheardofficial.com/charity-3/

Impartiality

The modification: ("She is in a relationship with Arthur Wybrands, a young French-American producer. In April 2009, rumors spread about a supposed engagement but were immediately contradicted by Amber Heard's representative at Hyler Management, to protect their privacy.")

A modification was made by the IP address 78.3.25.0 (was found near Osijek, Osjecko-Baranjska located in Croatia) and Arthur Wybrands, supposed boyfriend (only source: wikipedia) is in Croatia right now (www.twitter.com/tchit). Coincidence ? I don't think so ! If he has proof, we need it to source this allegation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.99.59.96 (talk) 10:04, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Sexuality

Please refrain from changing Amber Heard's sexuality to "bisexual." The host of Top Gear labeling her as such without giving her a chance to respond does not make it so.

Printed on the invitations to the GLAAD 25th:

"Jonathan Murray, Executive Producer of the Real World and Project Runway, will be presented with the Pioneer Award by Amber Heard – the openly lesbian actress starring with Johnny Depp in Rum Diary and Nicholas Cage in Drive Angry 3D."

http://www.autostraddle.com/who-is-lesbian-amber-heard-68775/

JulianneStenzel (talk) 23:16, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

As if that information was not given to the BBC in a blurb from her manager? hmmm... There are a variety of ironies having to do with your assumptions, and I wont mention them... suffice it to say that if she genuinely wanted to be mentioned as "a lesbian" as opposed to "a bisexual" it would have been made ABUNDANTLY clear LONG before the previous wednesday when this was filmed.... and AFTER the interview (since the show is NOT live, its filmed a week before hand). I am not debating your claim. At the very least we can say that she is CURRENTLY dating a women, and therefore for all intents and purposes, she is a lesbian "at the moment." but, she is also 24 years old. No matter how vocal she is at the moment, and no matter how great this sounds for lesbians and gay groups, I wouldnt bet the farm on her having a politically outspoken career as a lesbian activist. This kind of hearkens back to that irony I mentioned earlier, lol.68.6.76.31 (talk) 10:58, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Jeremy Clarkson labeled her as bisexual at the very beginning, and at the very end of the interview, both times she was unable to respond even if she wanted to. The fact that it is filmed in advance is irrelevant, because the way it was said it wasn't possible to edit out. Her coming out at GLAAD was something that was planned far in advance and all of the media information given at the event indicated that she identifies as a lesbian. Coming out as a lesbian could potentially have a much greater negative effect on her career vs coming out as a bisexual, and if they were mistaken in labeling her, GLAAD or Amber would have put out a correction before the news went mainstream. JulianneStenzel (talk) 20:44, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
You may very well be correct, but I'm not seeing any reliable sources to back up what you're saying, so it's all conjecture or speculation, which on Misplaced Pages falls under original research and can not be used. Note that I am not saying it would be appropriate for Misplaced Pages to label her bisexual either. The word of this one host does not carry more weight than the several other outlets who labelled her a lesbian. But the point of the WP:BLP policy regarding sexuality and religion is to allow each individial to define themselves. And since Heard has so far refrained from clearly labelling herself, Misplaced Pages shouldn't either. Siawase (talk) 12:10, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

From what I can find, there are no interviews or statements in reliable sources where Heard actually self-identifies as a lesbian (or bisexual for that matter.) GLAAD's website has a good list of media coverage of her coming out (scroll down to the bottom of that page) and most of those sources say she came out as a lesbian, but looking at AfterEllen which was the only outlet that spoke to her directly, the closest she comes to self-identifying is: "I hate the idea of a label just as much as anyone else but I’m with who I’m with, I love who I love." The article text could perhaps be more precise in describing the situation. Also per WP:BLPCAT ("Categories regarding religious beliefs and sexual orientation should not be used unless the subject has publicly self-identified with the belief or orientation in question") she probably should not be listed in the lesbian category. Siawase (talk) 13:24, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

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