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--Gurubrahma 12:28, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

The second you hit submit you licensed your content under the GFDL, you can't really pull retain ownership of it now if I'm reading the license correctly -- Tawker 06:59, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Again, once you submitted the content to Misplaced Pages it was subject to the GFDL and you forfeited any rights to remove the content. This was made clear on every page you edited and I really do not appreciate being called names, if you continue you will be blocked. -- Tawker 07:08, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Page blanking

Please stop blanking articles. If you have a problem with the article, post your concerns on the article's talk page. Thanks. —Wayward 07:05, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

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  You have been blocked from editing for 24 hours for repeated abuse of editing privileges in accordance with Misplaced Pages's blocking policy. Please stop; you're welcome to make useful contributions after the block expires. —Wayward 07:11, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Fiduciary

Hello. I just saw your edit to User talk:Tawker in which you claimed Misplaced Pages is not entitled to use content provided by you without your permission. While this is true, when you submitted all of these edits to Misplaced Pages you specifically agreed to license these contributions under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, and therefore (under the terms of the GFDL) Misplaced Pages is entitled to use, modify and display this content without seeking any further permission from you. Any attempt to remove content from Misplaced Pages on this basis will likely be construed as vandalism.

Perhaps you could explain to me why you feel Misplaced Pages has treated you bad, and we can discuss it. We would much rather have good contributors working together on our articles than feeling alienated and hard done by. - Mark 07:13, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

==MARK==--Charlemagne the Hammer 08:02, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps I can explain to you? Not likely, since this "Wayward" character has banned me from editing any page on any part of the entire site, except this little talk page.

I am also a law student, so don't talk that shit to me.

This is not a binding contract, I never agreed to any license. No terms were made plainly available to me, nothing said 'You are not allowed to delete what you once wrote', in fact, the very idea of a wiki is that you can delete and edit whenever you want. I didn't sign a contract, no terms regarding the inability to delete were made clear to me. You have given me no consideration. All in all, there is no legal basis for what you've just done.

You've stolen my material. So, I would appreciate:

1. Unban me, so I can: 2. Remove my content from the site.

As you can see from the edits I made, I *never* blanked a single page. All I did was revert the articles I HAD PERSONALLY EDITED back to the form in which they were before I edited them. How can that be construed as vandalism? I am simply removing my presence from the site, which is my right.

So you never noticed the "Content must not violate any copyright and must be verifiable. You agree to license your contributions under the GFDL." above the save button? joshbuddy 07:37, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Joshbuddy, you dont know what youre talking about. You have no idea what it takes to legally import a term into an agreement. due notice must be given. you cant just say "you agree to the terms" while the terms are all hidden away behind 20 layers of hyperlinks. go study law and get back to me. you are either entirely clueless or purposefully misstating the law, i dont know which is worse. --Charlemagne the Hammer 07:47, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Let's see, I clicked on the GFDL link and I see the license, 1 click. The "You agree to license your contributions under the GFDL." line is fairly visible, it is similar to any EULA on software -- Tawker 07:49, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Once again, Tawker, please stop misstating the law that you dont even know! You and your friends banned me from this site for removing my own material, and you had the hide to call me a vandal and accuse me of "blanking pages" when all i was doing was reverting them to the condition they were in prior to my involvment. This is utterly sickening!

--Charlemagne the Hammer 07:51, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

No I didn't say any law, you said ""you agree to the terms" while the terms are all hidden away behind 20 layers of hyperlinks" and I was simply pointing out the fact that it was 1 hyperlink and that that an EULA is enforcable even if its one click away so why would the GFDL notice not be -- Tawker 07:53, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

So you admit you know nothing about the applicable law here and that you are just talking out of your ass to save face? Thanks. Well, that's great. But here's what's happened: youve stolen my material. I write for wikipedia under the assumption that I can delete at any time. Misplaced Pages is a wiki, the idea being that you can ADD OR DELETE at any time. I have added, you are fine with that. but youre not fine with deleting? Well, too bad. It's my right. And you and your friends have just banned me for doing something that is perfectly within my rights. I am appalled. I will not let this stand. --Charlemagne the Hammer 07:56, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Wow. You make a lot of assumptions then. Did you even read Misplaced Pages:Text_of_the_GNU_Free_Documentation_License? First part:

Copyright (C) 2000,2001,2002  Free Software Foundation, Inc.
51 Franklin St, Fifth Floor, Boston, MA  02110-1301  USA
Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim copies
of this license document, but changing it is not allowed.

Did you misunderstand what a wiki was? If anyone could at any point delete their contributions, then the wikipedia could never function properly. It would always have damocles sword hovering above its head. joshbuddy 07:59, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

As I said below:

""Submitting an article does not surrender the author's copyright, but at the same time, the author cannot prohibit modifications to it because the author has granted the rights codified in the GFDL.""

See, I retain copyright, however, anyone is allowed to modify.Fine!Doesnt worry me.As long as I AM ALLOWED TO MODIFY IT. And, as the owner, the original copyright owner, I exercise my RIGHT to MODIFY this material by DELETING it.

This is not an act of vandalism. Please go worry about the actual vandals who delete things for no reason. Ok? --Charlemagne the Hammer 08:02, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Fine, then I'm exerting my rights under the GFDL by reverting it. Ta-da, problem solved. joshbuddy 08:10, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

COME ON, IM WAITING FOR AN ANSWER

I cant even email any of you because this WAYWARD asshole removed my capacity to send emails.

I have not restricted your e-mail privileges; in fact, I have no power to do so. Misplaced Pages now requires all users to confirm their e-mail addresses in order to send or receive Misplaced Pages e-mail. You can confirm your e-mail address by clicking "preferences" at the top of the page and following the instructions. As for article ownership, please see Misplaced Pages:Ownership of articles. Thanks. —Wayward 07:54, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

YES, THANK YOU!!

"Submitting an article does not surrender the author's copyright, but at the same time, the author cannot prohibit modifications to it because the author has granted the rights codified in the GFDL."

See?

My rights arent surrendered.

HOWEVER: i cant prohibit people from modifying it.

FINE!!!

All I want to do is modify my work so it is no longer there.

SEE? This is exactly within the text of the license! --Charlemagne the Hammer 07:58, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

EAGERLY AWAITING WAYWARD'S REPLY

Yep!

Email to Jimmy Wales

Hello Jimmy,

I contributed to Misplaced Pages for a short while, resulting in the creation of two articles from scratch. However, during my time as a contributor I became aware of many Misplaced Pages 'sects' and 'subgroups', i.e ., bunches of people with similar ideological goals. Most repugnant of those groups, in my mind, are those who seek to remove the 'Wiki' nature of Misplaced Pages, apparently they just want a 'Pedia'.

That is fine for them, but I am here because it is a wiki encyclopedia, not just because it is an encyclopedia.

So, you can imagine how upset it makes me to see groups of Wikipedians with plans to make Misplaced Pages a moderated site. I even saw one group proposing a parliamentary Misplaced Pages. In my mind, this takes away from the concept of Misplaced Pages being not just an encyclopedia, but a wiki as well.

I voiced these concerns on the Freenode #Misplaced Pages channel and was promptly banned.

Therefore, I have decided that I no longer wish to partake in Misplaced Pages. Why? Because it is not what I thought it was and I do not want my material being used by a foundation that ridiculed and banned me from its IRC channel merely because I was expressing ideas that are supposedly fundamental to its ethos. Banned for supporting the wiki ethos, banned for supporting the "you can edit this article now" ethos. It's a shame, but that's what happened, and that's why I want to leave.

Having made up my mind, I went to the Misplaced Pages page and sought out the articles which contained my work. These were only two articles, so it was an easy task. The articles were "Fiduciary" and "Federalist No. 1".

I realised that simply deleting these articles would not be the proper way to go about it. So, I embarked upon a more sensible route. I reverted the articles to the exact condition they were in before I edited them. I was satisfied that, having removed my work from Misplaced Pages, but also having retained the original structure of the articles prior to my intervention, I had completed my task.

Unfortunately, I checked back some minutes later to find that other users had reverted my changes. They had put all my work back in the articles. They called me a "vandal". The problem is that they did not even check to see that I was the person who wrote this material in the first place.

This went on for some time, with me being called a vandal, simply for trying to remove my own work from a site that doesn't appreciate it. I was then banned from the entire site for "blanking" articles. I assume you know that "blanking" is what a vandal does when he deletes the entire article. Please note that at no stage did I "blank" any article, whatsoever. I simply reverted the articles to the condition they were in prior to my involvement. I also left notes on the talk page of each article, explaining what I did. When people reverted the changes, I left notes on their pages explaining that I wasn't a vandal but that I was simply removing my work. All this to no avail.

Now I have another Australian claiming that legally I have no right to my own work, because I "agreed" to the license. I am a law student and I know this is false. I am really disappointed that certain Wikipedians are purposefully misstating the law so they can trick people into thinking Misplaced Pages owns their material.

Look, Jimmy, I really don't want a fight, here. These are just two articles. Can you please revert them to how they were?

The articles are "Fiduciary" and "Federalist No. 1", my username is "Charlemagne the Hammer". If you consult the Misplaced Pages logs you will see that everything I have told you is the truth. If you can please take care of this I will be much obliged.

Sincerely

Why are you unhappy?

Before we go further into a massive issue war, would you mind explaining why you feel you are "treated like shit" - you've had some EXCELLENT entires and it would be a shame to lose them. What has made you unhappy, maybe we can rectify the problem :) -- Tawker 08:12, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Look, Tawker, read the email I posted above and you will see why I am unhappy.

Let me make something quite clear:

The license does not say you are allowed to ban me for editing my own content. The license does not say I am not allowed to delete my own content.

Here is what the license says:

1. I gave permission for the material I posted to be edited by whosoever sees fit.

This necessarily dictates that I am allowed to further modify the material, i.e., by deleting it.

There is simply nowhere in the license where it says "once you post something, you are never allowed to delete it". It simply doesn't say that. Therefore, I request that my material be removed. The reason I want it removed has been explained in the above email: this website is becoming a perversion. It is no longer a wiki. It is full of people who think wikipedia should be moderated, that the material belongs to wikipedia, that wikipedia is a 'real encyclopedia'. well, it isnt.

It's a wiki. I provided the material. So long as the material is there, anyone has the right to edit and improve it. However, I have the right to delete it. Nothing you can say will change that. I am not a vandal. I have not even deleted a single article. All I did was revert these articles to the condition they were in before I came into contact with them

The disgusting treatment I have received in my sincere attempt to responsibility remove myself from this website is very disheartening and I must admit I no longer know what I should do. I feel certain I will succeed in a court of law, on this particular point, but these are just two articles. Nobody, except a total madman, is going to court over two articles. So I guess there's nothing I can do, but accept that Misplaced Pages is breaking the law. Now do you see why I am upset? OK? Jesus. Why should this have to be such a big deal? I just want my two articles deleted. Damn. --Charlemagne the Hammer 08:21, 5 March 2006 (UTC)