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::No arguments from me! ;) Drifting off, hi anyway. , I think you'll laugh out loud. Thanks, be around later. ] (]) 07:55, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
::No arguments from me! ;) Drifting off, hi anyway. , I think you'll laugh out loud. Thanks, be around later. ] (]) 07:55, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
== Recent comments - civility query ==
Please advise on who the "POV pushers" are that you refer to in this diff. . Also what exactly do you mean when you used the section title "British pov uber-alles?" at ]? Are you describing the actions of individual editors? Thanks in advance for any light you can shed on these comments. ] (]) 22:21, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
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**This user is NOW BAAAAAAACK! for a couple of days!**
They're threatening to ban you for an entire bloody year at Arbcom. Absolutely f**k*** outrageous!
Show them your article creation list, Sarah, I think you probably have the record.
Sure you lose your rag from time to time - but don't we all, especially when faced with extreme provocation and wind-up merchnats....Gaimhreadhan talk • 17:46, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
The result of this poll was that a huge majority of editors from sovereign Ireland opposed the current biased arrangements but the votes of British editors forced the retention of the contra WP:NPOV naming scheme. As they routinely do on the topic of the "British" Isles. And to compound this the Admins overseeing the vote censored the analysis of the votes which pointed this fact out.
Coords template addition
I am wondering what you think of the recent addition to the {{coords}} template, the drop down map. I don't remember when I first saw it or know when it was added, but it is actually built in to the scripts somehow. It took several days for me to notice it so maybe you haven't tried it. If not, go to Athy (for example), go to the upper right where the coordinates and small globe icon are. There you should see an inverted black triangle, which when clicked will drop down a live linked map. Then use the "+" and "-" zoom buttons, and the "hover" feature which will display the opening sentence or two of an article. Certainly you may recognize some of your own text around Athy. Amazing stuff in a way, and reminiscent of an idea you once mentioned about using roads articles as a running narrative of geography information. I do not see it on either fr. or de.wikipedia, so we may be running an experiment on en. What are your thoughts?, I think it is useful if only a bit crude right now. Sswonk (talk) 00:40, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I like it. (I had noticed the little black thing but paid no attention to it). Makes me think maybe there is some way to make a map showing the R323 pop up?!Sarah777 (talk) 20:06, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
Upon closer scrutiny the map is a bit weird. It seems to mark the locations of various German submarines (sunken, I presume) and other oddities. Sarah777 (talk) 20:17, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
Right. I think the word might be agnostic, it is unconcerned with what it is showing. Maybe oblivious is a better word, just spits out whatever is near, submarine battles, churches, mine shafts, would be nice to be able to filter the context. Weird is a good word. Last night after I wrote the above question, I made sure it was right, clicked on the map drop down at the Athy page, and noticed something. In my mental note: "Sarah is going to say something about the island being surrounded by U-boats." No problem getting in tune on the aesthetics for us I see! One problem is the zoom level defaults to a map several hundred kilometers wide at Athy. It should be more like 20 or 15 for a town, the location at the national scale is already shown by the map in the infobox. I think that would need to be configurable in the software somewhere, coord there currently arises from Infobox Ireland place, which is up for deletion, so... At any rate, I tried setting one up for R323 again above, a coordinate ... trying to tweak scale, not really great. No R323 in sight. Knock it shows. See how that is. I'll see if I can learn more. Sswonk (talk) 00:43, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
Not bad really. I prefer the OpenStreetMap layout to Google Maps though I think OSM still have much of Ireland unmapped. But it certainly gets the reader straight to the location of a point on the R323 and you cam manipulate the map afterwards. A good step forward if no a giant leap; and simple. I was thinking we'd have to specify both end-points of the road and get Google maps to draw the line and then link to the result. (needless to say I have no idea how to do that!)
I presume if this idea was developed to a satisfactory standard for presentation on Wiki we could do something like putting both coordinates at the top of the article (as we do with single place locations) and a click displays the route n a map? Sarah777 (talk) 02:04, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
is the spot. I really haven't spent any time on it, and will need to to answer your questions. Busy RL and you know with your own too well. If you add the coord to the article, then it would get a link on the map is my general presumption. One of us may find a way to edit the actual maps from that link I just left. I finished the NRA new additions last fall in the infobox motorway maps, a task. You were gone, as is nearly every roads editor, it felt like really no fun doing. Tired right now. Sswonk (talk) 03:18, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
Setting the "dim" parameter in the coord template produces the results show by the five examples above. That is the method for setting initial zoom. From what I could determine at the m:Talk:WikiMiniAtlas page, adding a new coordinate to the top of an article will not add it to the map immediately, they are added periodically through scheduled updates. Sswonk (talk) 05:48, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
Seriously good work there Sswonk. Bit slow to load (on Chrome) but brilliant concept! The clickable towns/villages surrounding Athy is a great touch. Sarah777 (talk) 23:15, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
Insanely great, says you, not my work, says me. Unless you mean the figuring out of how to set the zoom, which is in my world too mundane to lessen the concept of brilliancy. It should be added to the infobox as a parameter, such as wma_zoom = 100000 and probably will be. (see below for update) I think the servers are getting hit hard as more people figure out what the drop down does, it is slow in FF as well. You know, I reverted you today, don't think I've done that twice in one place or even once, but now I am taking it back. Calling {{talkpage}} "preaching" as you did is...not describable at the moment but I do think those are good practices it lists. However, if I want to keep on your bad side I can always think of other things to do. :). I appreciated the edit summary, off the preaching goes. Wouldn't you love to go now to each geography article on your watchlist and set the zoom? Nah, I would hold off on that, see how the infobox scenario plays out first. I'll check progress and give you a shout. Sswonk (talk) 01:15, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
It's in the {{infobox settlement}} to add the dim, as "coordinates_type = dim:100000_region:IE" added to the list of parameters. These articles use infobox place Ireland, again an ongoing discussion. Sswonk (talk) 01:30, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
"infobox place Ireland" - yuk - I got hammered there because I said I don't like the colours. I'm putting that down to the fact that so many men are colour-blind; obviously more common in the Wiki population than even the general population. I note these sandpit warriors have also taken to putting "battle" infoboxes on every article about an event where a cross word is exchanged. I can just see them pushing their little toy soldiers across the tabletop battlefields.
Beware!
"There were bremagums and stem-guns and whippet tanks galore, As the battle raged up and down from pub to gen'ral store"
French view: http://fr.wikipedia.org/Athy, vindication for your choice. Talking about the infobox map. I am thinking about, and have before, the travails of a woman editing here on this site. If I think a lot of the sniping is childish male chestbeating, and then read you above, well its not hard to imagine what is keeping the women away. What is it, 4 to 1 men to women? Make that 6 boys, 10 men, 3 women and a girl, ratio wise is my rough guess. Thinking more, it is really not possible for me to understand how it affects you. It is a worthy topic if you feel like riffing on it. You and Jeanne, bantering together for lulz and sanity, I think that helps give some of us a little clue, reading your reactions to things. Which is another reason it is good to have you back. Sswonk (talk) 01:29, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
And another thing:
"Try the hint on the now clickable photo, and the linked film clip is worth watching all the way through. The Beatles used the idea a few months later in the film Let it Be. Not as precise or useful as the R280 road sign, however musical like the Órla Fallon"
The Boston/Medford highway pic caught my eye and I spotted a link to the guys on the roof in New York - first thing I thought was whether that was before or after the Beatles. And I spotted Jeanne - Hi Jeanne! I think excommunicated Catholic father makes you one of the girls! What did he do? Bit of Warlocking? It isn't easy to get excommunicated these days. Or so I'm told :) Sarah777 (talk) 07:24, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
My dad got divorced from his first wife, and married my mother (a Protestant). To add fuel to the bonfire, he let her raise myself and siblings in the Protestant faith (complete with King James Bible and Sunday School) rather than Catholic. So no more holy wafers for him. His mother, a devout Catholic from Mayo, was heart-broken over it. To make amend he persuaded my mother to permit my sisters to be baptised Catholic (yet raised Protestant). When my grandmother died, there were no more Catholic baptisms making my brother and me fully-fledged Protestants.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:41, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
"A fully fledged Protestant"! On he subject of writing a book I haven't started any unfinished books (or finished ones) yet. I say yet in a kind of never say never way. Most people who can write a decent book read voraciously - like Sswonk I'm of the 10-bookmarked-tomes-on-the-bedside-table school of distraction. If you want an "unputdownable" yarn pulp fiction is yer only man. Sarah777 (talk) 07:51, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
Now - someone please slap a sticker here warning me that this isn't the sort of chit-chat Wiki talk pages are for. Com'on. Make my day. Sarah777 (talk) 07:51, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
WHAT?!!!?What in the bleeping name of Jimbo are you discussing??!!! Please see WP:PORK, WP:BEANS, WP:EGGS and WP:RASHERS, WP:WC after and then right to bed!! Edit counter: Add 8 edits for this to my totals, and subtract forty-seven from the other two.
I was rushing to finish the box, getting carried away, went suddenly fully Irish and typed it in! We would just use bacon, rashers (the term) is not well known in the US. At any rate, I then thought, RashersTierney is maybe watching, should be fun... incredible, WP:BACON exists. No need to worry, no one has any idea whats going on. Sswonk (talk) 00:22, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
You have to read this article, Elvis flying his jet in the wee hours with friends to gorge themselves with huge bacon and PBJ loafs with champagne. Chacun à son goût! Here it is, Fool's Gold Loaf. Sswonk (talk) 00:46, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Hmmm, reading that made me think of The Cheesecake Factory. Love the food there, but really kills the wallet. Then I skimmed its article... another case of abusing employees! What is it with these restaurants, gouging prices while cheating employees? Stocking up and cooking at home is my revenge. Sswonk (talk) 01:15, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Like old time days, and really very nice, Jeanne and Sarah. Reading and learning at the same time. I don't claim a religion, technically three-fourths RC and one-fourth Congregationalist, whisper to a scream? Ended up personally disliking most of it a lot. Easy going none the less. I had no idea you have four children, Jeanne. However, I can see how you might decide on... never mind, might be a joke poorly taken. Good stuff, have to head out. Infobox discussions later maybe! Sswonk (talk) 14:03, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
I was me fully logged on, it's in the page history. I restored Enya to the list of people as she had been removed by an IP without any edit comment explaining why. It seems it was User:MaxPride was editing without logging on.
As for "Please do not edit pages if you are not knowledgeable on the subject" - if Max were to follow his own advice he'd never get out of his sandbox :) Sarah777 (talk) 14:31, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
Having noticed your recent changes at some county articles, may i remind you there is still this to conclude. Consensus appears to be for option 3, which should thus be implemented. I was expected for HighKing to request a few more editors to give their opinion, but either he has and they haven't responded or he didn't. So should we implement what we can call the new agreed ledes? Mabuska17:14, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
I've no problem with implementing Option 3 - but it seems User:Hohenloh has. He removed part of the lede in at least four county articles stating that according to Misplaced Pages, et al, there is no such thing as an administrative county in Ireland. I have no idea if that is correct - but if it is we need an Option 3a.
I see that you classified the article as "start class". It is hard to see how much more apart from adding an image if any exists could be added to the article. Silent Billy (talk) 00:10, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
You have a point. I was ploughing through a huge backlog of unrated (1,500+) and picked things I had heard about, but mainly just to decide if it was a stub or start. There is a few (very few) obvious Cs. I've re-rated "Glimmer Man" to a "C". An image would be a great help though. When articles are about things that are of very local concern it is hard to see how the class can be much higher. In theory an article about the R110 road could be a featured article - but given it's importance and the fact that references will be so limited it is difficult to see how. Maybe WwCensor has a view? He is one of our resident expert on these rating matters. Sarah777 (talk) 00:25, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Indeed I see you have been busy assessing or reassessing article. I've been working more on image copyright issues but still assess on occasions. I really cannot see any of the, almost 850, Regional roads being rated at more than "Low-importance," though a few very well known ones might qualify for a mid rating. Cheers ww2censor (talk) 02:45, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Certainly a C is good for now, B would need great improvement and focus on the topic but the article has several issues; no lede, only one section. It seems a bit of rambling essay, however, that being said, the bulk is more about the gas companies than the Glimmer man himself, so sectionalising and moving the "A Low Lingering Flame" section up if new sections are created and decapitalising, would improve it in my view. Unfortunately there are likely few WP:RS. I'll look through some of my "Emergency" literature. ww2censor (talk) 16:01, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
News flash
I made a comment at the mushroom convention about personalities inviting sanctions, which although sadly is true, does not mean I would sanction anyone, just that is what might happen. I think you will understand, just noting it here quickly so you don't think otherwise. Sswonk (talk) 14:12, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
So you are the anonymous Rice Crispies man! I was out in the hills today on a photographic mission; the weatherman had promised sunshine and it was dull and cloudy all day. Then my beloved Cannon fell into a bog-hole. The when we got back to the carpark, there was the car - gone! Got back about 11pm. My mother told me there'd be days like this. Sarah777 (talk) 00:56, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
There has to be a reason. Please tell me you are serious, and what about the camera? Was the car a Camry? That would explain it, maybe, American or not. Then you could blog about the bog that ate your camera and Camry went in after it? Or something? Why would there be car thieves in the hills? Jesus, this is weird. Next thing your car turns up in Sevastopol and you just got back from Mars. I think. Sswonk (talk) 01:28, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
The camera was retrieved at the expense of one person (not me) getting very wet and very muddy. (Call me selfish and heartless). It didn't work at first but now that it is home and dry it seems to have regained its functionality. The car was reported to the Garda, obviously, but it is probably now a burnt-out hulk if it isn't being anally probed. That is as much as I know at this stage. It was a Quashqai (I realise I'm speaking of it in the past tense) - you probably don't have them in America. They are usually black though I have seen a silver one. When they are burnt out they probably all look the same. Let's just hope its Aliens. Sarah777 (talk) 01:41, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Resembles the Rogue. Would you drive a Rogue, hmmm? Rogue, a non-conformist. Glad the picture taker is alright. I am guessing your bog diver is to be praised, thank him/her for me, you know I enjoy your photo eye. So back to the Quashqai, you are right, they name the devils after what they think the people that live in the countries where they are sold will like. A huge consideration for the carmaker. It might be in this case for NA it would be too close to Sasquatch, and negative connotations therein. Sasquatches and aliens, of those I tend to find higher likelihood of the existence of the former. Don't know if you saw User talk:Skookum1#Never back a sasquatch into a corner, related to something he laid out to Jimbo. Poor fellow, a good writer but obviously snapped at some of the very things that get you and me on the outs with this place for spells. BTW, I am really glad you are here. That "extra space" thing that keeps happening when you post, I think that must be something in gadgets you use that are conflicting. More after you reply. Sswonk (talk) 02:01, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
This discussion has this lyric playing in my head:
Nice! "Fuck your Mitsubishi, I've horse outside" grabs me from time to time. Speaking of cars, and Detroit (Eminem) (I don't recall the song, cheated google way) these photos, I keep going back to them. It is a case of severe urban decay, yet the images and graffiti are right breathtaking. The place, Michigan Central Station, is in some sort of legal limbo. By gadgets, the "extra space" thing, I mean in your wiki preferences, combined with Chrome (you said a couple days ago you use that). I would first try postng with a different browser, then try turning off gadgets (WikEd, Twinkle, HotCat, whatever you may use) until the problem goes away. Then you can relate the results and a possible solution can be found. Sswonk (talk) 02:51, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
I don't use any of them gadgets! (So far as I know). Horse outside was pretty good. I've read a lot about Detroit and it seems to be a modern example of a city being abandoned; they are knocking down neighborhoods and returning them to forest. Over here some folk seem to imagine that something that was built 200 years ago should be preserved forever because....it was built 200 years ago! They have no understanding that Georgian Dublin was as much a speculator/builder boom thingy as the ghost estates in Leitrim. Sarah777 (talk) 03:04, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Horse outside: I smile at the part half way through where the priest and congregants are, like automatons reciting liturgy, obediently bored and following the lyrics to the song. We could indeed be thinking the same thing about the station. I really think, as the wiki article suggests is a possibility, having the Michigan State Police and US Homeland Security take over the place would be Orwell come to life in some ways. So, why not. Tear it down. I lived in Beacon Hill, Boston for a few years: due to my emotional attachment to the history, there are reasons I see for keeping many streets the way they are. There wasn't much there before the Georgian period. They are gaslit and mysterious, hills with small trees and four or five story red brick buildings, very evocative. Like a movie set, someone from the midwest might say. Or, like, the actual street John Hancock lived on I might. I see your perspective, however, will they really not want to tear down the malls in fifty years? I'll read the Georgian Dublin article. Check your preferences, fiddle, there must be something causing that extra space. Sswonk (talk) 03:23, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
I read the article on Georgian Dublin. Incredible, brilliant (if slightly terrifying) story, and I think good for the first part. But, at the end, it seems like a brochure for those who don't, let's say, share your Point of View... needs a little work in that regard. "Fears", the "war is not won". WTF. The problem is, the right replacement for the Georgian structures. It would bring about safer and better electrical, efficient infrastructure, less rats. As for the subject of writing, and renewal, uh, well there's this cheery side to the coin: "Today, the West End is an up and coming, thriving neighborhood,... " Someone's opinion. Thoughts appreciated, and never let anyone tell you what to do :). Sswonk (talk) 03:59, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
When everyone is up front and they're not playing tricks
When you don't have no freeloaders out to get their kicks
When it's nobody's business the way that you wanna live
I just have to remember there'll be days like this
I'm enjoying that sax solo, a nice peaceful respite to start the day. Sarah, that was quite a day you had on Monday. There's a confidence and serenity in the way you reacted here. Words are difficult at this point, but I am trying to express that it relates somewhat to a few of the things we have discussed or touched on recently. I mean the male/female ratio on wiki, and then the issues of censorship and what we should be talking about on talk pages. In my mind's eye it was you with your husband, you standing above looking out with concern while he dove into the bog hole, saving your camera. Then you both get back to find a missing Qashqai. Me, here three thousand miles away, I got a little excited and turned around by the images. I would email you about it, but I think it is relevant to express it publicly. A few days ago, I turned analytical and distant and removed an out-of-place comment you left on an article talk page, and O'dea's little aside there. Then O'dea and I sort of got into the same sort of idiotic talk page warfare. I was misunderstood, O'dea wildly speculating about my motives made it worse. O'dea, if you read this it isn't what you think, I made some judgement errors on the writing a little, but fundamentally I tell the truth. I still can't think of a way to explain all of that. Sarah, I do care for you and need you around in many ways, and your honesty about your day is entirely within reason. My own maleness and sort of "business trained" straight-lacedness would keep me from writing about it, I think. But I can offer this cathartic bit of commentary when you let it out such as you have. The talk page, this forum method we have of working this encyclopedia out is truly difficult and a huge impediment to friendship and understanding that might be available in real conversation. It creates monsters in each of our minds, all of us as we edit, I think. Like the monster right now, who sees what I am writing as hopeless timewasting nonsense. It is in me to want to not hit "save page", and cancel this thought. But you deserve to know, I really care about what happens with you and really wish that you thank who I think saved your camera. It is metaphorical. I would not ever want you to think people should "call me selfish and heartless" as you joked about yourself standing by while that muddy gallantry was happening. Humans are supposed to be empathetic and helpful. It defines us as a species. I would cite that, but I have to get coffee and go make money to survive. Basically, I am worried and proud. I find a lot of evil in what many of the leaders of this site find right about the Ayn Rand philosophies, I am not sure how much you are aware about that Sarah. The founder and several of his early core committee have that view, sadly so do many people in the world. Now is not the time nor place, but people such as yourself I find are more in tune with nature and how things really feel. The truth. I hope you understand and that today is less of a struggle for you than yesterday was. Sswonk (talk) 13:49, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Well..eh...thanks for that :) The car turned up in Firhouse, abandoned and unburnt. Not even damaged. The police think it was some guys took it to drive home. So, car, camera - all safe. They even left a €300 lens in the glove compartment untouched. Weird. But yesterday was more an experience than a struggle. Struggle is what you do with three kids and no job; or when you hear you have cancer. Or maybe when you encounter the Wikichimps! Sarah777 (talk) 20:50, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Good news. Happy for you. Got a stolen 'bike back once that I'd given up as 'spare parts for general distribution'. So, we can look forward to more lovely pics! RashersTierney (talk) 21:03, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Today, a struggle to keep awake. It was also very foggy on the drive home once I headed down out of those Medford hills and got close to the ocean and home. Now I can't sleep, though. It is wonderful things worked out well for you, now I am not worried. It makes better sense. Since you got the car back and protest my use of the word struggle, I consider you over the "experience" so I don't feel bad bluntly asking: will you now vow to avoid leaving the keys in the car Sarah? I gotta say, that was not the best plan whoever came up with it. I mean, there are obviously car thieves in them hills... Sincere about the talk page world, it is a bear to contend with. Some of me above was overwrought, another pitfall. We're all free of guilt or obligation to that type of expressed need or at least should be. Dumb. More carefully phrased, sharing thoughts with you on this page has made being here more meaningful (or less depressing), for me. Considering ways you (and I have heard it directed to me at times, too) get called uncivil, wikichimps fits; if you ever doubt, don't buy it. And, I echo Rashers on the pics to come, looking forward. Sswonk (talk) 05:28, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Oi? I can't see your expression when I ask, again the talk page method caused a little friction? Well, I don't like frustrating you. I assumed one of you left the keys because you said there was no damage to the car. Thieves have to damage cars to steal them if they are locked, bypass the ignition switch with a screwdriver etc. Otherwise, they would steal a lot more cars if all they had to do was get in and drive. Still sucks, however it happened. How did the Garda explain no damage without keys? Sswonk (talk) 13:02, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
Sarah, I think the extra space in your posts is caused by using Chrome and WikEd in combination. I have Chromium, the Mac nightly build basically the same as Chrome, and when I used it and posted or even previewed the above with the WikEd gadget turned on, I get the extra line feed. Turn it off, no extra line feed. Click this link, http://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Preferences#preftab-9 – at the bottom of the second section, see if you have "WikEd" checked. You probably do and are used to using it, so to stop the problem but keep WikEd, you need to start your comments without putting a return after the comment before yours when you start to reply. Then the space looks normal when you preview. Let me know if that works. Sswonk (talk) 13:02, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
I will try that. As to how they got into it I have no idea....unless...it....wasn't...locked. That is what the police suggested; a suggestion which is utterly rejected. (There is no external keyhole - it opens by a remote fob thingy). As for how they started it I have no idea - there was no sign of any tampering with the ignition, nothing. Aliens maybe after all? Sarah777 (talk) 18:47, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
Fantastic, I thought it must be something like that causing the extra space. Re: the car, that would drive me nuts. All I can say is, with keyless entry and modern ignition, it seems very strange. Joyriders could not do it, I wouldn't think, more like professionals. And professionals wouldn't leave it in Firhouse. Gnome from Tallaght or whatever, something spooky. Sswonk (talk) 00:57, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Bored
A Cornish harbourFor some reason, I can't get interested in editing anything and end up striking up conversations with you. I think I am just bored. Eventually I'll get back to work. Anyway, the {{Infobox place Ireland}} was marked for deletion, but it can't be deleted until all the articles that use it are changed to use {{Infobox settlement}}. I switched Athy several days ago. Have you ever had a similar dilemma in your experience here? It is just in limbo, let me know if you have any info. I posted a question to the technical folks about getting that topographical/political switchable map code done, and am waiting for more input. Sswonk (talk) 18:35, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
'Twould be nice if the "places in counties" template could be re-worked to separate townlands from villages. I think we have agreement but I can't do it. Sarah777 (talk) 18:39, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
Each one is specific to the county. Here is Galway revised: {{County Galway}}. The issue for me is I don't know what townlands should be kept separated or left with the villages, it is esoteric and I don't know enough Irish geography. But, that is what you want, right? If so, I will give you an idea of how to make the sections, or you can give me a list of county templates whereby I can make empty sections for you to fill. Wouldn't want to do that unless you are actually online and will fix them quickly. Better, I think, to write up here how it is done. Give me an idea what you would like to do. Sswonk (talk) 19:33, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
Well, 99% of the time the distinction between a village and a townland is clear enough. But between town and village? In Ireland in some parts a population of 500 means a town; in the commuter belts several thousand could still be called a village. Sarah777 (talk) 19:50, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
It may be clear enough to you, but I had trouble. I based Galway above on the lead paragraph of each place, if it said "is a townland" then that got moved. But some did not say exactly that. That difference you mention between "town" and "village" is similar to "city" and "town" here, with a twist. In Massachusetts, every inch of land is either a town or city, there are 351 total. Simplified, a city has a mayor and a council, while a town has a town meeting only. However, several towns became cities but stipulated that they continue to be called towns. Thus we have, officially, places designated in legal texts as "The city known as the Town of X". It looks to me like the default in Ireland is townland, unless a village, town or city crops up. New Jersey is more complicated than either Mass or Éire! Well, is that Galway template I link above right? Sswonk (talk) 20:08, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
Yes it is. The stubs (they are hardly articles in most cases) usually state whether the place is townland or village. This I find to be generally reliable. Sarah777 (talk) 20:21, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
Hello. I noticed that you attempted to file a deletion discussion (on the article Springhill, Dublin) but did not complete the process. Please note that, when listing an article for deletion, a discussion page needs to be made for other users to discuss whether to keep or delete the article. This is typically done by following the steps listed here. Note that if you are editing as an unregistered user, you cannot create a discussion page. Please consider registering an account or asking another user to help you complete the process at Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for deletion. Thank you. I removed the tag on the page and the listing from the AfD list.MrKIA11 (talk) 02:56, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, it's a generic template used with Twinkle, but I figured it wasn't a big deal. I was thinking about seeing if it can be changed. MrKIA11 (talk) 00:55, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
Conscription Crisis
Hi Sarah. We havn't spoken in a while, but your recent edits to Conscription Crisis of 1918 caused me some concern. Firstly, describing the O'Brien's AFIL or Dillon's IPP as "pliant" applies a POV term where it is not required. (Or frankly fair or accurate). The term "moderate" would seem much more appropriate than one which suggests blind complicity. Secondly, your removal of the Craig quote left absolutely no explanation as to why the crisis changed inter-community perceptions. (You left "The conscription crisis was a watershed in relations" without any explanantion as to why or how). Happy to discuss suggested improvements, but replacing neutral terms with POV ones, and removing chunks in a manner which leaves threads hanging probably isn't ideal. Guliolopez (talk) 12:43, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
FYI, given that your issue with the Craig quote seems to have related to "undue weight" concerns, I have moved and summarised it significantly. I have also had another look to see if the "more moderate parties" text should be reworded. However "moderate" probably remains the most appropriate term. (Using "pliant" or similar in relation to the AIPL or IPP is simply not representative - in particular in the context of the article subject itself, where it's clear that the parties and members were anything BUT pliant)! Guliolopez (talk) 13:46, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
I'd agree "pliant" is pov. But so is "moderate". Hosni Mubarak, a brutal dictator, was routinely described as "moderate" in the Western media (I include Wiki in this - and could give hundreds of other examples). It has become a pov-laden weasel word. Sarah777 (talk) 21:53, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
I'm leaving this to the experts and heading for dreamland, done for the night. Ballymagovern and Ballymagauran are the same place, for example OSI mapviewer and Google Maps. Yet, there are two articles, one the Ballymagovern stub and the other for Ballymagauran townland and village which is where it should go, yes? You decide, and then please do whatever you would do like get BHG or someone to do the move and history merge to keep things proper. Have fun, and thanks – Sswonk (talk) 06:01, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
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