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	:::Continued ] moves like you have been making will eventually land you blocked. You have been shown the community consensus to use diacritics on hockey articles. Yet you continue to move them against the consensus of the community and you do so by trying to sneak them by using db-author to delete and recreate articles and placing them as uncontentious moves when they clearly are. Such actions are likely sanction-able. You have had numerous users tell you to stop. At both of the ANI reports you tried to make and at the hockey project and by many uninvolved editors on your talk page. Maybe its time to stop and think gee maybe its you that is against consensus when you keep seeing everyone disagree with you. Using or not using diacritics doesn't change that the name is still the common name. Really considering you were creating articles with them awhile ago yourself it makes no sense why you are suddenly so anti-diacritics other than to try and cause trouble or to make a ]. -] (]) 00:49, 17 May 2011 (UTC)		:::Continued ] moves like you have been making will eventually land you blocked. You have been shown the community consensus to use diacritics on hockey articles. Yet you continue to move them against the consensus of the community and you do so by trying to sneak them by using db-author to delete and recreate articles and placing them as uncontentious moves when they clearly are. Such actions are likely sanction-able. You have had numerous users tell you to stop. At both of the ANI reports you tried to make and at the hockey project and by many uninvolved editors on your talk page. Maybe its time to stop and think gee maybe its you that is against consensus when you keep seeing everyone disagree with you. Using or not using diacritics doesn't change that the name is still the common name. Really considering you were creating articles with them awhile ago yourself it makes no sense why you are suddenly so anti-diacritics other than to try and cause trouble or to make a ]. -] (]) 00:49, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

			:::Howdy Dolovis. Nobody hates the usage of those non-english symbols, anymore then I do. But, you are heading towards a block, by not abiding by the NHL players page agreement at WP:HOCKEY. ] (]) 00:58, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

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Dolovis is currently feeling discouraged about Misplaced Pages and is taking an off-and-on wikibreak due to loss of motivation.

Your help in cheering this user up would be appreciated.

They will return when their wikistress has dissipated and their confidence in the wikicommunity has been restored.

2004-05

Note - This conversation was started here on GoodDay's talk page, however, it has been continued here. To keep the conversion flow I have moved to this page the beginnings of this conversion:

I have noticed that you have been changing the chronological numbering of the seasons for NHL franchises to be one less than it previously showed, as you did here. Although no NHL games were played in the in 2004-05, it was still a season (albeit one with no game play). This is verified by the NHL Official Guide and Record Book, with that source shown on the article as a reference. The Guide explicitly states that the 2010-11 season was the Senators' 19th season, so the 20th season obviously follows. Your assertion, however, is not verified, so please do not continue to make such a change to these articles. Dolovis (talk) 23:09, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Strange for the NHL to do that, but no probs, I'll cease. GoodDay (talk) 01:28, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

You'll have to adjust all the NHL team articles 'after' the 2004-05 lock-out, for them to add up correctly to the 2010-11 team articles. GoodDay (talk) 01:30, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Your reverts have sorta messed things up though. For example, the 2008-09 Chicago Blackhawks season says 83rd & now the 2009-10 Chicago Blackhawks season says 85th. GoodDay (talk) 01:49, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Each article should be edited as needed so that it contains information that is verified by reliable sources. As factual errors are found, they should be corrected and properly referenced. Dolovis (talk) 01:55, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

These gotta add up though, saying one season is the teams 83rd & the next is the teams 85th, just doesn't swing. GoodDay (talk) 01:58, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Don't just go changing articles so they "add up". Check for reliable sources. The articles should be corrected one article at a time, with verifiable sources to support the change to the article. Dolovis (talk) 05:15, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

But you're only changing the 2010-11 & 2011-12 team season articles. This is causing a descrepancy between the 2009-10 & 2010-11 team season articles. It will lead readers to the inevitable question - "What happen, during the off-season of 2010?". GoodDay (talk) 15:25, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

I have made the change for all of the Columbus Blue Jackets season, and I will continue to do more of the same as I find the time, but please do not expect me to make every necessary change to all of the articles. As you seem to be an interested editor, your help to correct these articles would be greatly appreciated (as it seems that my time has been wasted, to a great extend, re-doing my edits that you changed against the evidence of a reliable source). Dolovis (talk) 15:35, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

I'll wait & see what's decided at WP:HOCKEY. I'm not overly concerned with how 2004-05 is handled, just as long as there's an agreement, so that I can then make the post-lockout corrections. GoodDay (talk) 15:39, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

I was curious (for example) as to why you didn't change 20th to 21st, in the 2011-12 San Jose Sharks season article. GoodDay (talk) 19:21, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

That was a simple typo error. It should properly be the 21st NHL season. Thank you for catching and correcting this error. Dolovis (talk) 19:31, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Okie Dokie. GoodDay (talk) 19:33, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

AWB edits

Hi Dolovis. I notice you've been using AWB to auto-replace etc., e.g. and i.e. with and so on, for example and that is. To be honest I don't believe these abbreviations are explicitly disallowed by the MoS, in fact, they're listed here as acceptable. Sometimes it may look better to write them out in full, but not all the time, in fact, usually when I see etc. in article space I tend to think it can just be removed. Anyway, my point is that this is probably best done using human discretion rather than an auto-correct tool. Just something to consider. Have a nice day, - filelake shoe 14:55, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

I appreciate your constructive comments and, as a result of your comments, I have made a careful re-read of Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (abbreviations). As explained in MOS, abbreviations are most often better understood if written out in full as this practice avoids any potential confusion for those not familiar with the abbreviation. Style-wise, I personally feel that an encyclopedic article, in most cases, reads better without the use of abbreviations. Your point about using human discretion, however, is well taken, and the use of AWB, as a semi-automated editor, does not take away from such discretion. I fully agree with you that it is important to check every edit before it is saved. Dolovis (talk) 17:54, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

Re this. If you are contesting it, care to say why? I have waited a few hours for you to provide some reason but you haven't said anything else.--Terrillja _talk 20:25, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

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Talkback

Hello, Dolovis. You have new messages at Edgars2007's talk page.
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Diacritics

Dolovis, can I suggest you open an WP:RFC on this diacritics issue if you want a site-wide change? Right now you're just wantonly moving pages and your rationale doesn't seem very popular judging by the discussions which are taking place. Reverting a page move agreed on at WP:RM, as you did at František Ptáček, is unacceptable. Best, - filelake shoe 18:10, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

I was not notified of the move discussion concerning Frantisek Ptacek, and moved the article back before I noticed that the move had been discussed on the talk page. Darwinek has been warned of canvassing for support in such discussions. You should look into a mirror when you suggest that someone is seeking a site-wide change, as this is the English Misplaced Pages, and according to the policy of WP:COMMONNAME, articles do not use the subject's name as it might be spelled in non-English languages as its article title; it instead uses the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources. This includes usage in the sources used as references for the article. Dolovis (talk) 18:21, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Sven Bärtschi

Hi Dolovis. Why did you copy-paste everything User:Milowent wrote about Sven Bärtschi? This is not permitted per Misplaced Pages's licensing. See Misplaced Pages:Copying within Misplaced Pages. Cheers Tooga - BØRK! 21:46, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes, these umlats are funny things, but we don't need to recreate the article due to them! I have made the new spelling article into a redirect. Cheers.--Milowent • 00:44, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

AWB

Hi. Please don't use AWB to make formatting changes to the date pages like you did here. Those pages have special formatting that allows for better readability when editing the pages. If you have questions please ask. Thanks. -- Mufka 23:57, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

That edit was made in accordance with MOS, specifically WP:ORDINAL. Dolovis (talk) 05:09, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Actually, Mufka wasn't complaining about you changing "sixteenth" to "16th". He was bothered by the many places in which you compressed two spaces to a single space. Those extra spaces were being used by the editors of that page to keep "2008" aligned with "]" (for example). I suspect that edit was probably performed automatically for you by AWB, so you didn't realize you had fiddled with their formatting.

However, this whole topic strikes me as odd, because I don't understand why any of those dates are wikilinked at all. Doesn't this say dates shouldn't be wikilinked just because they refer to events that happened to occur in the same year? There's a whole set of pages that are dedicated to showing all events that happened on December 20th or during 2008. That seems to be a direct violation of WP:YEARLINK, which appears to say you should only link dates if the events are connected topically. Am I missing something? Johnson487682 (talk) 18:38, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

I agree with your interpretation of WP:YEARLINK. Dolovis (talk) 19:10, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

The date pages are a bit out of the normal MOS. From the MOS: "not be linked unless they contain information that is germane and topical to the subject matter". In this case, the date articles are about dates and linking is appropriate. BTW, my comment above was about the spacing, which should remain consistent on the date pages. -- Mufka 11:13, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Calendar date

I'm sorry, but I had to revert Line 34 of your recent edit. You changed "november" to "November" using AWB, but the text of that bullet point explicitly states that the lowercase is used for the month name in Hungary.Johnson487682 (talk) 13:23, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for correcting my error. Dolovis (talk) 14:20, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

AWB correction

I've just reverted your AWB edit to this page, as it introduced an error... Cdmackay (talk) 10:29, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

I am honoured to have inspired you to make your very first Misplaced Pages edit. I welcome you, and hope that you will continue to enjoy your time here proof-reading and otherwise working to improve articles. Cheers! Dolovis (talk) 12:31, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

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This has gotta be a false positive. I looked at the EuroHockey page, and I can see there was no copyright violation. Johnson487682 (talk) 13:59, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Of course it was a false positive, but these things sometimes happen. I didn't even refer to the Eurohockey site when building the stub article. Dolovis (talk) 14:04, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

2011 NHL Entry Draft

Actually, the existence of a compensatory pick was already entered, and already referenced. Your faulty assumptions coupled with lazy editing wiped that out. You also introduced a counting error half way through the table that soccerholic had to fix. But then, forcing other editors to clean up after you is nothing new, is it? Reso lute 18:33, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

This discussion was started on Resolute's talk page, and that is where it should continue. I request that Resolute stay off my talk page. Thank you. Dolovis (talk) 18:49, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

The order of draft picks in the first round

Another issue: Is it necessary to show the order of draft picks in the first round? I refer to you posting references to prove the Oilers, Devils, Flames, Stars and Caps first round draft picks are the picks listed. I believe that all useful information about this is avaliable in other sections of this draft page, most notably in the draft lottery section. If you were to keep just some of the references in question, I personally believe links to show the Oilers and Devils picks are the most relevant. This is just my opinion, though, and thanks for your contributions. Ho-ju-96 (talk) 06:13, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Without a doubt, showing the order of draft picks in the 1st round of the NHL Entry Draft is necessary information. The policy on the use of inline citations can be found at Misplaced Pages:Inline citation. Dolovis (talk) 11:05, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

One line articles

Just wondering, Dolovis, why are you creating so many one line articles about Van Gogh paintings, and not even including the image from the List of Works?

I would be happy to collaborate and at least give you some text that could go with several paintings, such as reference to the period / place the painting was made, etc.--CaroleHenson (talk) 21:46, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

The basic concept of creating a stub article is to provide adequate context for other editors to expand upon. Please feel free to build upon the Van Gogh article's as you find the time and inclination. Dolovis (talk) 22:01, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

I get your point, but you may want to consider from the Visual Arts MOS WP:VAMOS "Generally, very short articles (say less than 200 words of main text) on individual works or art are to be avoided, as the information can be included in the main article on the artist, or incorporated with other similar short pieces in a dedicated article, such as Portraits by Vincent van Gogh."--CaroleHenson (talk) 07:34, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Philip Kemi

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I've tagged many articles you created with BLPPROD. I removed all the messages left here because there's no need to clutter up your talk page. While you're going through the trouble of creating the pages, add at least one reference to avoid the trouble of BLPPROD. 22:15, 13 May 2011 (UTC)-- Mufka

Re: BLP-PRODs

To Mufka: Stop your mass BLP-PRODing of articles that I have created. Each of the articles that you have prodded contain links to verifiable sources, as is required for biographical articles. I do not know what WP:POINT your are trying to make, but your edits are disruptive. If you continue to make such disruptive edits you will be reported to WP:ANI. Dolovis (talk) 22:25, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

It appears that you may have a misunderstanding as to what a source is. An external link is not a source. All of the BLPPROD tags that I placed were valid. Also, please don't threaten ANI reports in your first communication with another editor on something that you have a dispute on no matter how frustrated you may be. That doesn't show that you assume good faith. Rather than creating a high volume of articles, it might be a good idea to focus on developing just a few good ones. -- Mufka 22:56, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Hockeydb.com and eliteprospects.com have both been accepted as reliable sources, and every article that you BLP-prodded is linked to one or more such reliable source that verifies the content of the article. If you wished to open friendly communication before you started your WP:POINT prodding campaign, then I assumed you would have done so. Instead you started mass-prodding, and only ceased after I delivered to you the appropriate warning. Rather than focusing on deleting articles about notable athletes, why don't you instead focus on improving references and adding content? Dolovis (talk) 23:30, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Those external links might indeed represent reliable sources, but you did not add them to the articles as references, you added them as external links which are meant to lead the reader to other items of interest on the topic, not to be used as sources for the content. I see that you are sensitive to having the articles that you created be criticized, and I thought that you would be receptive to the fact that I removed most of the canned warnings and left a personal note above. But alas, that was not the case. As you create new articles, it's very easy to add a source at the time of creation. You went through the trouble of adding external links, but if you had called just one of the links a reference, you wouldn't have a problem. There is a difference between an external link and a reference. Please keep that in mind. -- Mufka 00:00, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

In the space of 13 minutes you BLP-Prodded 19 referenced articles about notable athletes (more than one article per minute), only stopping your massive prodding after I sent you a warning. And you are now trying to tell me that you feel justified because you wanted to teach me that I should be using the heading “References”, and not "External links"? That is, in my opinion, an example of disrupting Misplaced Pages to illustrate a point. I am not sensitive to constructive criticism, but I did not see any such thing in the 19 deletion notices that you posted to my talk page. Please keep in your mind, as I do in mine, the wiki-principle of common sense. Dolovis (talk) 00:47, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

To Mufka: The above discussion is over. Please do not post any more comments on my talk page. Thank you. Dolovis (talk) 00:48, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Jakub Kovar / Jakub Kovář

Hello, why did you move the page Jakub Kovář back to name Jakub Kovar? I don't understand this revert, correct form of his name is with Czech diacritic Jakub Kovář. Pronunciation with/without diacritic is in the Czech language different. I added interwiki from cs Misplaced Pages. Sorry for my bad English, with greetings --Midi7 (talk) 14:40, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

This is the English Misplaced Pages, and according to the policy of WP:COMMONNAME and Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (use English), a biographical article does not use the subject's name as it might be spelled in Czech (with diacritics) as its article title, nor does it use the person's legal name as it might appear on a birth certificate or passport; it instead uses the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources. The use of "Jakub Kovar" is verified by the sources used within the article, and "Jakub Kovář" is not supported by the sources used as references for the article. Dolovis (talk) 14:48, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Most of articles of Czech people are in English Misplaced Pages with diacritics. It's the same as I write Nový Jork, but correct English form is New York (bad example, but it's similar). I think that web pages in English use form Jakub Kovar because English keyboards haven't keys á é ě í ó ú ů ž š č ř ď ť ň. Sorry, but it isn't correct. --Midi7 (talk) 15:11, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

To quote the first sentence (and central policy) of Misplaced Pages:Verifiability: The threshold for inclusion in Misplaced Pages is verifiability, not truth—whether readers can check that material in Misplaced Pages has already been published by a reliable source, not whether editors think it is true. Your example of 'New York' is a good example, as most English-language sources will verify it as the commonly used form of spelling. Dolovis (talk) 15:19, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

OK, it's English Misplaced Pages, so leave this topic. People who are native speakers of English never understand rules of inflective languages with declension, diacritics, grammatical cases, ... --Midi7 (talk) 15:28, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Those of us that have studied German and Latin do - we just can't see the necessity when we've managed to grow out of it. Seriously, both forms should be present when there's a diacritic or similar problem. One or other should be a redirect - probably the 'correct' form as the title and the anglicised form as the redirect. (BTW - I wouldn't have trouble understanding Nový Jork and can pronounce ř even though I can't speak Czech.) Peridon (talk) 22:02, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Ondrej Nemec

I hope you don't mind, but I've reinstated your redirect left by the page move. I've done this because I consider it to be a sound redirect to a title with accents that most English speaking users won't use. If you really want it gone, let me know - but I think it is of value. Peridon (talk) 16:46, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

One-line stubs

It isn't useful to create one-line stubs that state "X played for Y at the 20xx IIHF World Championship". A reader would click on a link hoping to find more information on the player; this sort of one-line stub defeats the purpose, as it is redundant to the team page. If the reader searches for the item, then that information would be better conveyed by the team page. All of this would not be as problematic if your creations didn't have to prodded (correctly!) for lack of sourcing, and then renamed, or they required other basic fixes. Misplaced Pages has more than enough biographies of marginally notable people that are underwatched, and adding such BLPs, which are one line long and unsourced, makes this problem worse. Maxim_(talk) 21:43, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

The basic concept of creating a stub article is to provide adequate context for other editors to expand upon. Please feel free to build upon the ice hockey article's as you find the time and inclination. Dolovis (talk) 23:10, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

I don't think you undestand WP:BLP, and consequently, the ethical issues with creating an underwatched substub that is unlikely to be expanded, on a marginally notable athlete, which is freely editable and most likely one of the top Google hits on the person in question. You really shouldn't be editing biographies of living people if my previous assumptions are correct. Maxim_(talk) 00:35, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

This isn't the first time that this problem has been brought to your attention. These one sentence sub-stubs are not beneficial to the project, are very unlikely to be expanded - god knows you'll never do it - and show only that you can read the roster page on the IIHF's website. Since polite discourse has failed to yield any results, I have therefore deleted your latest batch of sub-stub BLPs per WP:IAR. If you wish to find sources to re-create viable articles, feel free to do so, but for the benefit of Misplaced Pages, take the effort to do a reasonable job of it yourself. Don't try to download the work of creating viable stubs to other editors. Reso lute 00:37, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Diacritics in ice hockey artcles

I don't mean to bother you, but I think you're somewhat misguided about diacritics. I've seen the discussions up top and I've read your points, but those policies/guidelines do not represent what is actually occuring. Misplaced Pages policies are descriptive, and not prescriptive, so while on the letter of them the diacritic-less titles might well be correct, the reality is that they seem to be universally used; for example, in hockey, as far as I remember individual player pages have always been with diacritics. While the actual rule may be contradictory to the status quo, its intent (consistency) would be best implemented if article titles weren't named against the status quo. Maxim_(talk) 22:23, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

You are correct in that there are a small group of dedicated editors who have been spending their efforts to wilfully ignore and supplant the existing wiki-policies concerning the use of diacritics in articles. It does not follow, however, that such insurgent tactics have resulted in re-setting the status quo. And, with respect, your memory is clearly faulty concerning the use of diacritics in individual player's pages. Allow me to refresh your memory by quoting the Guideline in a Nutshell from Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (ice hockey): “Hockey article titles should use the most common spelling in English as described by reputable reference books and media outlets. In most cases this means the omission of diacritics and other characters not commonly found in English.” Dolovis (talk) 23:23, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

You do see that that page is marked as historical right? Because it was supplanted by a new consensus to use them. A very great many things on that page are very out of date including things like naming articles Joe "Smoking Gun" Smith. You have had a number of editors on both sides of the issue show you the current consensus on the situation. -DJSasso (talk) 00:19, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Dolovis, please see Misplaced Pages:HOCKEY#Wikiproject_notice. You've brought two threads to AN/I that went against you, and you're continuing to try to unilaterally get your own way. For hockey articles, all player pages get diacritics. This has been the status quo ever since this dios problem was resolved. Darwinek brought a similar threat to WT:HOCKEY lately, again, it was in favour of status quo. The onus is on you to change the current practice -- you are the one use renegade tactics. With this in mind, I would be interested in a reason to not revert your most recent page moves, that excludes the nonsense from my talkpage. Maxim_(talk) 00:28, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

The moves were reverted for the reason given in the edit summary, which is to invoke the Misplaced Pages:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. This is the English Misplaced Pages, and according to the policy of WP:COMMONNAME and Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (use English), this article does not use the subject's name as it might be spelled in non-English languages as its article title; it instead uses the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources. This includes usage in the sources used as references for the article. You have failed to find any reliable source to verify your preferred form of name. If you wish to pursue this matter the process it outlines at WP:BRD. Dolovis (talk) 00:43, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Continued WP:POINT moves like you have been making will eventually land you blocked. You have been shown the community consensus to use diacritics on hockey articles. Yet you continue to move them against the consensus of the community and you do so by trying to sneak them by using db-author to delete and recreate articles and placing them as uncontentious moves when they clearly are. Such actions are likely sanction-able. You have had numerous users tell you to stop. At both of the ANI reports you tried to make and at the hockey project and by many uninvolved editors on your talk page. Maybe its time to stop and think gee maybe its you that is against consensus when you keep seeing everyone disagree with you. Using or not using diacritics doesn't change that the name is still the common name. Really considering you were creating articles with them awhile ago yourself it makes no sense why you are suddenly so anti-diacritics other than to try and cause trouble or to make a WP:POINT. -DJSasso (talk) 00:49, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Howdy Dolovis. Nobody hates the usage of those non-english symbols, anymore then I do. But, you are heading towards a block, by not abiding by the NHL players page agreement at WP:HOCKEY. GoodDay (talk) 00:58, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

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