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Non-indigenous British supporters/members
This section/topic needs to be greatly updated or expanded on. I see the last updates on this topic only occurred when the BNP let non-indigeous British join their party - but this was 2 years or so back. Since that time, the BNP has worked with many non-indigenous ethnic groups (i.e Sikh and coptic egyptians) and has non-indigeous members who work for the party. Anglo Pyramidologist (talk) 01:40, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
- If you have sources lets see em.Slatersteven (talk) 11:53, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
BNP Sikh and Hindu support (2001) - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1535348.stm http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2001/dec/23/race.politics
Rajinder Singh first Sikh BNP member (2009) - http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/nov/20/sikh-man-bnp-member http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/feb/11/bnp-nonwhites-members-sikh-join http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6926180.ece
Pastor James Gitau first black (Kenyan) BNP member (2010) - http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000008054&cid=159& However Gitau later defected to the Christian Party.
The BNP also has Jewish members and an elected Jewish councillor (Patricia Richardson - Epping Forest). Mr. Mikal Greenburg (Michael Green) is also a member and leading BNP Welsh activist and is Jewish.
In December 2010, coptic egyptians appealed to Nick Griffin to highlight the violent anti-Christian attacks in Egypt by Islamists, and now the BNP is working with coptic egyptians and several have membership with the party. Anglo Pyramidologist (talk) 12:30, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
- Real references Anglo P, newspaper reports about rumours or statements of what might happen don't count. Please read WP:RS and stop presenting original research. Its tiresome and its being explained to you many many times, --Snowded 15:06, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
Out of 323 references/sources on the BNP article, over 100 are from BBC, Guardian, The Sun etc. So shouldn't all those be removed since according to you newspaper reports don't count? Odd logic there. Or are you just picking and choosing? Of course people like you accept sources which bash the BNP, but when the same sources prove the BNP is a non-racist party with members of all ethnicites, suddenly they don't count do they? Once again more biased bevaviour from you. Anglo Pyramidologist (talk) 16:44, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
- You clearly didn't read what Snowded wrote, so let me repeat and highlight the key point: "newspaper reports about rumours or statements of what might happen don't count". Is that clear? Now, where are these BBC, Guardian, Sun sources that you say "prove the BNP is a non-racist party"? Emeraude (talk) 17:10, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
rumours? There are photos of Rajinder Singh holding up his gold BNP membership card, and another of him shaking the hand of nick griffin. He also did a lengthy video interview on BNPtv. Same said for James Gitau (a black kenyan), who is pictured in Barking with a BNP banner and shaking hands with nick again. The BNP has support and members from non-indigenous British, the only people who refuse to accept this fact are the far-leftists who still go around calling the BNP fascists, but the fact the BNP have multi-ethnic support and members really debunks this incredbily outdated smear. Anglo Pyramidologist (talk) 17:45, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
- "the only people who refuse to accept this fact are the far-leftists". I refuse to accept it and I'm not a far-leftist. The truth is 99.9% of Sikhs and Hindus hate and fear the BNP. Rajinder Singh - if he exists - is the exception that proves the rule. By the way, was he paid? Multiculturalist (talk) 14:11, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
- Hold on do you have any reason to assume he does not exist?Slatersteven (talk) 14:49, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
Rajinder Singh has been interviewed by the Guardian, BBC and has appeared on BNPtv. He also has a gold BNP membership and has a senior position in the party regarding research on Islam. Of course he exists. James Gitau (a black kenyan pastor) was a BNP member who helped in the BNP barking campaign 2010, however he later defected to the Christian Party. There are many more examples of non-indigenous British supporters or members of the BNP. The only people who deny these facts as i said are people who have a personal agenda against the BNP and therefore should not be posting on the BNP page or this talk page. Anglo Pyramidologist (talk) 23:53, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
- What total rubbish. You are now suggesting, to take your argument to its logical conclusion, that the only people who can edit the BNP article or even contribute to this discussion are people like yourself who clearly worship the BNP and all it stands for! Emeraude (talk) 18:19, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
BNP's stance on non-indigenous British can be found from a recent article published on the main website: "The British National Party...recognises pro-British members of assimilated minorities as British in a civic sense, and welcomes their contribution to our fight for fair play for, and the future survival of, the indigenous peoples of these islands. But we absolutely reject the poisonous, Politically Correct, anti-indigenous fiction that they are English, or Scottish, or Welsh, or Irish. They may well be very decent people, but if any of us went to Nigeria or Afghanistan, no-one would dream of pretending that we were Nigerians or Afghans." http://www.bnp.org.uk/resource/english-democrats-vs-british-national-party In other words the BNP is open for non-indigenous British to join as long as they accept their ethno-nationalist ideology (which Rajinder Singh and several other indian sikhs have). Therefore the main page should be updated reflecting this issue. The last update as pointed out was in 2009, its very outdated. Anglo Pyramidologist (talk) 00:17, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
- The term "indigeneous" to describe the English is ideosyncratic to the BNP. As such it could only appear in the article in quotes. TFD (talk) 00:24, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Do the Australian Aborigines have to be quoted in '"' as well? What also about the indigenous Māori people or native americans? Somehow i doubt you would apply the same to other ethnic-groups. Once again more anti-white biasness.Anglo Pyramidologist (talk) 03:32, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
- We go with how scholars describe groups. Irish, Scots, Welsch, Cornish and Manx people are sometimes called indigenous, but English are not. TFD (talk) 04:23, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
See the recent genetic research by Brian Sykes. He has proven via genetics 80% of ethnic-English (the vast majority) descend from Mesolithic indigenous settlers after the ice age. The Anglo-Saxon genetic input was small. In other words the English are as indigenous as the Welsh, Irish and Scots. Also note the Anglo-Saxons were of the same kindred stock as the mesolithic settlers anyway, sharing the same phenotype, blood group, linked language etc. As far as recent scholarship is concerned (Brain Sykes is a Professor of Human Genetics at the University of Oxford) the English are indigenous. You can't start picking and choosing who is and who isn't indigenous when every land has a native population and the ethnic white english are native to England.Anglo Pyramidologist (talk) 13:28, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
- You are interpreting Sykes for your own ends. Can you be ethnic white English and native to France? Of course you can: ethnicity is your genetic makeup and nativity is purely geographical - where you mother happened to be when she went into labour. So your statement that "the ethnic white english (sic) are native to England" is nonsense. And, out of interest and for reference, can you provide a page number for the 80% figure you quote? Emeraude (talk) 18:27, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, I am aware of the research. The point is that no one except the BNP refers to the English as indigenous. They are trying to draw a comparison between modern immigration into the U. K. with European colonization, that is, to claim that the U. K. is being colonized and that the cultures of the nations of the U. K. are under threat. TFD (talk) 18:36, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
No, an englishman is not native to France. Do you think Swedes are native to Japan? Or eskimos native to madagascar? Each ethnicity is indigenous or native to its own land. To argue otherwise is against basic historical fact and commonsense. Good luck going to Australia and calling an aborigine there that they are not native, and claiming anyone can be - including the Europeans who colonised them. By denying people as indigenous you are robbing them from their history and heritage and it equals discrimination. Anglo Pyramidologist (talk) 18:58, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
"nativity is purely geographical", you clearly have no understanding of what native means in context of ethnicity. It means specifically the indigenous or first settled (ancestral) inhabitants. The native people's of Britain are the ethnic-White British - a fact confirmed by history, genetics, anthropology and so on. I'm really not interested in wasting my time debating people who reject historical or scientific facts. You are like flat earthers. The purpose of this section was to adress the fact the BNP section on its membership regarding non-indigenous has no been updated for 2 years - and so needs to be. There are now non-indigenous members and supporters of the party. Anglo Pyramidologist (talk) 19:10, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Links -
Rajinder Singh first Sikh BNP member (2009) - http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/nov/20/sikh-man-bnp-member http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/feb/11/bnp-nonwhites-members-sikh-join http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6926180.ece
Pastor James Gitau first black (Kenyan) BNP member (2010) - http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000008054&cid=159& —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anglo Pyramidologist (talk • contribs) 20:27, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
- Once again, complete rubbish. If I was born in France, I'm a native of France, regardless of my ethnicity. Of course, racial fascists like the NF in France or BNP in UK will not accept this, but they are nor renowned for their accurate use of language. You are attempting to allow only your dubious definitions of words to be used. And I ask again, from which page of Sykes' book did you get the 80% figure? Emeraude (talk) 10:45, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
You can only be a native of france, if you belong to the indigenous population there (west germanics/franks/normans etc) the people who have settled there for well over a millenia and built the foundation of France. The same applies to Britain. The native British are the indigenous kindred tribes (picts, scots, anglo-saxons) and so on, but as i said genetics has proven an even early occupation from the mesolithic/neolithic by the ancestors of these peoples. The same applies to America. The native americans are the native Amerindian tribes who were there thousands of years before the vikings and later columbus landed hence they are called native americans...your logic is flawed and debunked by basic history. In your view anyone can be a native american or native british just if they are born in that land. So in your view an immigrant or asylum seeker who moves to Britain and has a child, makes that child an indigenous Briton (despite having no historic or ancestral roots in the country). Pure crackpottery. Stop with the silly posts, i'm sure other readers here are laughing. And the reference to the Brian sykes figure is on his wiki page. Anglo Pyramidologist (talk) 13:57, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
- You continue in your personal use of "native" and "indigenous" as synonyms. That would mean there is no reason to use both words in the same sentence - that's redundancy. Oxford English Dicitionary: "A person born in a specified place, region, or country, whether subsequently resident there or not". Can't be clearer than that. But, in any case, this whole discussion is pointless other than allowing you to espose your racist theories, since the BNP article actually says "It restricted membership to "indigenous British" people until 2010". That's a fact. The article was updated to reflect this change that the BNP was forced into. The word "indigenous" appears nowhere else in the article.
- I know there are references (and quotes) on Sykes' Misplaced Pages article page, but I asked you a specific question concerning a number you gave. So for the third time of asking, from which page of Sykes did you get the 80% figure? Emeraude (talk) 17:49, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
This section concerns the update of the article regarding the non-ingidenous members or supporters of the party, not for you to further attack the BNP or their policies or to deny that the white British as an indigenous ethnic-group exist. You are clearly only here to cause trouble and to smear the BNP which is against wikipedia's view on neutrality. In no way are you helping the content of the article, you just come here to attack the BNP which is not productive. As i pointed out the article on the subject of non-indigenous members needs to be updated, the last update was 2009 and the article does not reflect the current BNP's policy on their membership. Anglo Pyramidologist (talk) 21:56, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
- So you haven't actually read Sykes then. Emeraude (talk) 08:38, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
- Can we just stop? We have one editor pursuing a agenda not supported by third party sources and obviously (as before the last ban) attempting the edit the article to support the BNP official line on this issue. I don't see any other editors supporting Anglo's position so I suggest people stop responding until s/he brings some sources into play --Snowded 10:04, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
- So you haven't actually read Sykes then. Emeraude (talk) 08:38, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Valid sources has already been posted - BNP Sikh and Hindu support (2001) - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1535348.stm http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2001/dec/23/race.politics
Rajinder Singh first Sikh BNP member (2009) - http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/nov/20/sikh-man-bnp-member http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/feb/11/bnp-nonwhites-members-sikh-join http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6926180.ece
However the user "Multiculturalist" has claimed these articles are fabrications and that the BNP could have paid Rajinder Singh a large sum of money to pretend to be a member. Its hard to take claims like this serious, and looking at "Multiculturalist"'s name implies he is a parody account. Anglo Pyramidologist (talk) 15:28, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
- Your references have been discussed above, you have only provided BNP sources or OR as a counter. You are now making silly statements about other editors. Given your block history I suggest you proceed with care. I was tempted to simply delete the above comment as a personal attack. --Snowded 16:20, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
No my references were not discussed. You said they were 'rumours', while "Multiculturalist" and "The Four Deuces" have done nothing here but attack the BNP or their policies (breaking[REDACTED] policy on neutrality and just wasting my time). Feel free to get a mod or admin here, and they will see how my section about how to improve/update the article concerning the BNP's membership (which has not been updated in nearlly 3 years and is innacurate) has been hijacked by far-leftists/anti-fascists who are just here to disrupt and cause trouble. Anglo Pyramidologist (talk) 22:26, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
- Wasting your time? You seem to have a lot of it to waste. Multiculturalist (talk) 14:26, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Rcent photo of some non-indigenous supporters. See second photo down with Nick Griffin. . Anglo Pyramidologist (talk) 00:29, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
Massive Cleanup/update of article
I am willing to work with other wiki editors/contributors to massively cleanup the errors on the main article and greatly update this article. The main areas that need to be updated:
- Current race/immigration policies (the article on this subject has not been updated in over 2 years).
- Current membership of non-indigenous members (the BNP have Sikh members).
Errors in current article (for cleanup):
- The BNP are ethno-nationalists not white nationalists.
- The BNP do not support fascism.
- There are many uncited claims in the article (i.e holocaust denial) which have not been substantiated in over 2 or even 3 years, quite clearly these need to be removed.
- General layout. It's not clear to read. Especially in the section on 'local gains in the 1990's', you read that title, but then the content is about claims about holocaust denial and racism. Poorly written - needs to be edited. Anglo Pyramidologist (talk) 01:49, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
- All policy sections now also need to be updated. Last references are to the 2005 manifesto. It is now 2011. Anglo Pyramidologist (talk) 01:56, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
- While the BNP have attempted to modernize their image, there are no reliable sources that they have abandoned their core beliefs. Also we cannot use BNP lingo in the article but must use terminology from rs. TFD (talk) 05:07, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
- Woah, there is also no RS (or noted anyway, I am open to persuasion) which says they have not abandoned was is/was their core beliefs; it cuts both ways. Further, BNP literature is a RS for what they say is their current political stance - as ever any attribution should be that this is their claim, not that this is fact unless there is independent RS. Noting what the subject claims is encyclopedic, even when those claims may be subject to RS'ed rebuttal.LessHeard vanU (talk) 21:47, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Saying that other active editors are "far-leftists/anti-fascists who are just here to disrupt and cause trouble" is hardly a good start AngloP. As TFD says if you have third part reliable sources we will all be happy to look at them but the statement of errors above reads like a BNP apologia. --Snowded 05:28, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Facebook material problem
Some users are posting sources concerning what was posted on facebook by a BNP member. Yet this is not a reliable source, and does not reflect the BNP, their policy, party or position in anyway. Comments posted on facebook on personal accounts cannot be linked to the views or policy of the British National Party. To argue so would be mad. We can scan facebook for sexist or offensive comments from labour and conservative members, does that then mean the labour or conservative party are a sexist party? Anglo Pyramidologist (talk) 16:34, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- The posting did not use Facebook as a source, but a newspaper article that referred to a blog posting by a BNP candidate. TFD (talk) 18:20, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- There is one rather nasty edit summary about the Evening Standard being handed out for free by "immigrants" on one of the reverts. That should stop. Otherwise its reported in a RS, its significant so it should be there --Snowded 18:23, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- The blog post was on the personal facebook account/page of a BNP member. It does not reflect the BNP, the party, their policy or position etc. Just before the royal wedding, several weeks back, it was revealed several prominent labour officials/members had left abusive comments on their personal facebook pages about the monarchy and wedding (as reported by Daily Mail). By your logic then, please go to the Labour party wiki page and post this & they that are anti-monarchy. One again, this is nothing more than biased anti-BNP from far leftists or self-proclaimed "anti-fascists". You leave every other party alone, but when it comes down to the BNP apply a completely different mindset and set of rules. Anglo Pyramidologist (talk) 19:03, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Lol! You actually believe what you read in the Daily Mail?! No wonder you support the BNP.Multiculturalist (talk) 22:28, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Please now see here Admin incident board ] Anglo Pyramidologist (talk) 19:08, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- The person concerned is the Party's Chief London Organiser and the edit makes it clear that the source reports his blog. Given the status the comment is notable and its properly sourced. If there are significant and notable equivalents on the Labour Party then take them to that page and they can be examined. --Snowded 19:21, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
this content is fairly dodgy coatracking and should be recorded neutrally. Disappointing to see experienced editors supporting such poor wording of content. --Errant 20:13, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Wording can undoubtably be improved, for the moment however we need to resolve if the material is notable and sourced.--Snowded 21:55, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Solution to User:Anglo Pyramidologist complains about bias ideological description
On his previous posts User:Anglo Pyramidologist has brought errors and possible to the table:
Errors in current article (for cleanup):
- The BNP are ethno-nationalists not white nationalists.
- The BNP do not support fascism.
Considering most other European parties of the Far right are not described in this way on the English[REDACTED] he has a point. There is a easy solution to this problem that I have derived from the Sweden Democrats page, where the authors have split ideology in two to help the reader understand in more detail. Proposition for the BNP is to do the same considering anti Fascists consider the BNP to be Fascist and the BNP claim not to be:
British National Party | |
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200px | |
Leader | Nick Griffin MEP |
Deputy Leader | Vacant |
Founded | 1982 |
Headquarters | PO Box 14 Welshpool SY21 0WE |
Newspaper | Voice of Freedom |
Youth wing | Resistance |
Membership | 14,032 |
Ideology | British nationalism Right-wing populism Euroscepticism Anti-Globalism Protectionism (Claimed by Opponents, Denied by the BNP): FascismNazism White nationalism |
Political position | Far-right |
European affiliation | Alliance of European National Movements |
European Parliament group | Non-Inscrits |
Colours | Red, White, Blue |
European Parliament | 2 / 72 |
Local government | 13 / 21,871 |
Website | |
http://bnp.org.uk/ | |
- Where is the evidence any of the sources cited are opponents of the British National Party? You say "considering anti Fascists consider the BNP to be Fascist", well none of the sources cited are "anti Fascists" to begin with. 81.151.158.156 (talk) 19:35, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
I didn’t write that it can be proved that any of the sources were written by anti Fascists, I made a generic comment that anti Fascists consider the BNP Fascist. At the same time logic must suffice to allows us to accurately presume that those who claim the BNP are Fascist are opponents at worst or disagree at best, due in part to the negate connotation that the fascist label has, hence the use of the word in the first place is bias. Considering Misplaced Pages is supposed to be a neutral source of information it stands to reason that for the best interpretation of neutrality to suffice the reader must be able to have the facts placed in front of them, regardless of the Source. The facts are that their are people who say the BNP are Fascist and those that say they are not. Misplaced Pages must there fore represent that Fact.
amendment:
|ideology = |ideology = British nationalism
Right-wing populism
Euroscepticism
Anti-Globalism
Protectionism
(Claimed by Some, Including Opponents, Denied by the BNP):
Fascism
Nazism
White nationalism}}
That is a very accurate proposal to updating the ideology tags on the box. I would also add that the BNP's Swedish equivilant are the National Democrats (Sweden). Note how their pages labels them as ethno-nationalism not white nationalists and secondly notes that the fascist label is just a label their opposition label them - they consider it a smear. Its exactly the same with the BNP. The fascist/nazi label is only what their opponents call them, it doesn't reflect their ideology. the white nationalism tag should be replaced with ethno-nationalist and the fascist label certianly should be removed. Anglo Pyramidologist (talk) 20:53, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reliable sources Anglo P, you know the answer --Snowded 21:06, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Good idea to upload ideology tags, it might be difficult with the BNP though, for some reason the page shoves down any writing that is considered to wide for the box, for example the international affiliations and European affiliation group is doubled lined unlike say the French National fronts page, I don’t know why this is happening and could be a hindrance. On another note the sources used to describe the BNP as Fascist cannot even be accessed on the internet without parting with money, they cannot be said to support the claim and are as good as dead links that should be removed. Further more as i was explaining before just because a couple of academics (and there are literally only two 'academics' listed in the source section) say the BNP are Fascist (of which both links cannot be accessed properly)it doesn’t mean they actually are. At the very least the article should make it clear to the reader that the BNP denies these accusations, thus the page should read:
|ideology = |ideology = British nationalism
Right-wing populism
Euroscepticism
Anti-Globalism
Protectionism
(Denied by the BNP):
Fascism
Nazism
White nationalism}}
Currently the page reads that is actual fact which is clearly untrue and is thus in breach of[REDACTED] code of conduct, cite: Misplaced Pages:Neutral point of view
Note: Admins etc were consulted about the constant vandalism by the "anti-fascists/anti-BNPer's/far left wingers" (Snowded, multiculturalist etc) but still i see they are reverting updates and corrections to the main article. Where do we go from here? Anglo Pyramidologist (talk) 23:32, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Possible Combination of Opposition and claims of repression of free speech
After the brilliant clean up of the elections page (sorry i am unaware of who performed that), the rest of the article is still in a mess in certain places, namely the claims of repression of free speech section is placed in the legal section. Claims of repression of free speech is not a legal matter and is more connection to opposition of the BNP, which includes university and anti Bnp Groups as well as the media. I propose the two should be merged and have drawn up a possible solution here: (no material has been added or deleted this is just a combination of already existing material similar to that performed on electoral performance)
Opposition
High-ranking politicians from each of the mainstream parties have, at various times, called for their own supporters to vote for anyone but the BNP, In 2008, then Prime Minister Gordon Brown stated: "Londoners and the rest of the British people know that backing the BNP is totally at odds with what it really means to be British—and the great British values the rest of us share, such as democracy and decency, freedom and fairness, tolerance and equality." Conservative Party leader David Cameron, Liberal Democrat party leader Nick Clegg, and former Lib Dem leader Sir Menzies Campbell have all condemned the BNP.
The British Government announced in 2009 that the BNP's two MEPs would be denied some of the access and information afforded to other MEPs. The BNP would be subject to the "same general principles governing official impartiality" and they would receive "standard written briefings as appropriate from time to time", but diplomats would not be "proactive" in dealing with the BNP MEPs and that any requests for policy briefings from them would be treated differently and on a discretionary basis.
In October 2010, a Democratic Unionist Party councillor in Northern Ireland, Bobby McKee, condemned a BNP leafleting campaign in his home town of Larne opposing a refugee dentention centre being built there.
Amongst the most visible and vocal opponents of the BNP and other far right-wing groups are Unite Against Fascism and Searchlight. Unite Against Fascism, which aims to unite a broad spectrum of opposition to the far-right, includes the Anti-Nazi League, the National Assembly Against Racism and the Student Assembly Against Racism. Searchlight has monitored the activities of far-right groups in Britain and abroad, including the BNP and its members, for many years. The Anti-Nazi League-organised group, Love Music Hate Racism, organises regular music events in opposition to the far-right.
Claims of repression of free speech
Some opponents of the BNP call for no coverage to be given to groups or individuals enunciating what they describe as "hate speech". The "No Platform" stance is to deny perceived fascist hate speech any sort of publicity. The policy is most commonly associated with university student unions and debating societies, but has also resulted in BNP candidates being banned from speaking at various hustings meetings around the country. Direct action has been taken against the BNP stalls in shopping centres. The BNP claims that such cases exemplify how political correctness is being used to silence it and suppress its right to freedom of speech.
Universities
In 2005, the Leeds Student newspaper was criticised after publishing an interview with Nick Griffin. Also in 2005, an invitation to Nick Griffin by the University of St Andrews Union Debating Society to participate in a debate on multiculturalism was withdrawn after protests. In May 2007, a presentation by Nick Griffin was to be held at the University of Bath, but the University withdrew permission due to concerns over the large number of people opposing the meeting and possible disruption it could cause.
Journalists and the Media
The BNP says that NUJ guidelines on reporting 'far right' organisations forbid unionised journalists from reporting uncritically on the party.
The BNP is condemned by many sections of the media, including right-wing newspapers such as the Daily Mail.
In April 2007, an election broadcast was pulled by BBC Radio Wales' lawyers, who believed that the broadcast was defamatory of the Chief Constable of North Wales Police, Richard Brunstrom. The broadcast was made available to download from the BNP's website. The 2010 general election broadcast was shown by all but channel 4 who refused and censored the video.
In March 2011 Simon Darby released a letter of correspondence online between Nick Griffin and Alastair Machray, the editor of the Liverpool Echo, in which Machray admitted that "It is this papers policy to discourage the activities of the BNP". The letter was written in relation to an advertisement request made on behalf of the party.
Police
In September 2005, 60,000 copies of Voice of Freedom, which had been printed in Slovakia, were seized by British police at Dover. The police later admitted this was a mistake and released the impounded literature shortly thereafter.
Veterans and Second World War
In June 2009, the Royal British Legion wrote to Griffin privately to ask him to stop wearing their poppy symbol.
BNP is a far-Left party, according to many observers. Why should this not be mentioned?
It seems any references to the BNP being a party of the far-left are quickly removed anytime it is mentioned on the article. For the sake of being neutral, shouldn't this be mentioned? They have described themselves as "socialist leaning" and "the old Labour party in essence" in the past, and have been labelled far-Left, due to their political views of nationalization, protectionism and so on. The article seems to be using the term "far-right" as the media does; as a buzz-term with no real meaning. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.28.235.50 (talk) 00:38, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
- We rely on what reliable sources say. TFD (talk) 00:44, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
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