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Nominations

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Articles created/expanded on May 11

Kelly Cherry

Woman with short, dark hair facing right and wearing a light colored jacket over a darker shirt.

Created by Ijil RHG (talk). Nominated by Patrickneil (talk) at 19:22, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

  • these three photos were supplied by the person named in the article... can you help me to find the appropriate verification to click so the photos can remain with the article? thanks. Ijil RHG (talk) 14:31, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
Very few footnotes in the Biography section. If this is taken as a expansion nom, then the article is >2k characters too short. If this is taken as a creation nom, then the nomination is a week too late. --PFHLai (talk) 08:49, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Note also that Poet Laureate of Virginia contains links to solitary years like 2010. These should probably be delinked. Lightmouse (talk) 19:00, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Refs have poor formatting, they're just URL links, they need retrieve dates, publishers, dates of publication, etc.BarkingMoon (talk) 21:32, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Article not checked properly before nomination for basic MoS stuff, etc (per Lightmouse above) ... and the opening sentence of two successive paras was the same "Kelly was born in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, but moved to Ithaca, New York at age 5, and Chesterfield County, Virginia at age 9." (I've fixed it.) Dashes and other issues fixed, And No Title Case In Titles—c'mon guys.

The hook is just a bit on the dull side. Why not:

ALT1 ... that Kelly Cherry, author of We Can Still Be Friends, was named Poet Laureate of Virginia in 2010 after receiving more than 30 awards and fellowships?

150 ch. Tony (talk) 11:26, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Need more footnotes in the Biography section. At least one footnote per paragraph. --PFHLai (talk) 01:58, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
unstable, too many tags, too much bickering going on over this one after 3 weeks, move on to something else. BarkingMoon (talk) 18:06, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 15

Loud (Stan Walker song)

Created by Adabow (talk), Ozurbanmusic (talk). Self nom at 07:06, 17 May 2011 (UTC)


The cited source is a TheHotHits.com "Celebrity News & Gossip" article, and (I think) not reliable. I've submitted a query at WP:RSN. In the meantime, a press release from the artist, the label, or the video production company, would be a better source. --Lexein (talk) 05:29, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

I have replaced the filiming location with Stuff.co.nz a reliable news website, but THH seemed to be the first place to have shown the video. Adabow (talk · contribs) 06:21, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
  • I added a citation of the artist's website - a primary source, and now consider it double-sourced.
    Looks ok to me, but I now defer to another editor to assess this item. --Lexein (talk) 08:18, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
  • The Hot Hits is a radio program, I'm sure its website is reliable? They just happen to have the latest celebrity news, as many other radio websites would. The video was released exclusively to their website, as mentioned on Stan's official website. Ozurbanmusic (talk) 11:30, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Overlinking in hook: You want people to visit the topic article, yes? The link to it is dissipated by questionable links: Stan Walker is linked to in the opening sentence of the main article. "Music video" is borderline common dictionary term, and why would you want people to go there and not to Loud (Stan Walker song)? That little-known parochial village "Los Angeles" definitely doesn't need a link. It's also linked (twice, if you please)in the topic article, in case readers were still in doubt. Links are supposed to be focused and relevant to the immediate reader needs for information. (Really, a section-link to music/culture in LA, if you must, in the article, not the hook.)

    Focus of interest in the hook: Where is it? That a song should be recorded in LA, well, that's about as likely as the sun coming up tomorrow at dawn.

    Article: underdeveloped, IMO. The dash script could be run on that article (takes five seconds). The Seven Network: that's in LA, right? (Wrong). Does the copyright fair use check out for the image? Problem if it's very recent release, I believe (I asked at WT:NFC once). Tony (talk) 14:06, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

While I agree that the hook is uninteresting, I find the suggestion that we should unlink US cities arbitrary, subjective and a slippery slope - I believe that some cities in my native country are/should be household names, but the compromise solution is to link all such terms, from all countries, and spare DYK the pointless judgement call. It has absolutely no importance how many people have made LA their home, the link is there for those who haven't, and who may not be aware of our esoteric "rules". I also object to using this venue in order to make the nominator believe that there is consensus on the "LA not linked" issue. There isn't. (But true, it shouldn't as a rule be linked several times within one article. No one term should, per WP:OVERLINK.) Dahn (talk) 18:47, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

International Centre for Policy Studies (ICPS)

Created by MikeBeckett (talk). Self nom at 06:09, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Doesn't appear to contain any third-party sources attesting notability. It's possible that it's notable enough to have an article, for which reason I'm refraining from nominating it for AfD, but it cannot appear on the Main Page in its current state. It also really needs cleanup. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 23:10, 17 May 2011 (UTC)


Will you take a second look? User:MikeBeckett -> User talk:MikeBeckett Please say 'Hi' 17:43, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Sorry I'm so late getting back to this, but I don't see that you've added any sources attesting notability, so it's just as well. To show notability, you've got to include third-party sources (ie. not the website of the NGO or its affiliates, or publications by it or its staff). Try Google Books or Google News. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 16:35, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
does not meet standards, no substantive progress.BarkingMoon (talk) 18:10, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 16

Free Press (organization)

  • ... that with its membership of more than 500,000 activists, Free Press is the largest media reform organization in the United States?

Created by WilsonComm (talk), Mediaphyte (talk), Banksbr2 (talk), Mcclel71 (talk), and Jaobar (talk). Self nom at 19:28, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Oh yes it is! Our class began working on this article in April 2011, when it was barely 2,000 bytes. It is now over 20,000! That's 10 times expanded in one month. Can we get some reviews please!?! Jaobar (talk) 20:28, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Some get angry and revert when newbies "dump" large amounts of information from their sandboxes into a stub, and now our students are out of the running for DYK because they took their time. What a system. Jaobar (talk) 02:01, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
I agree with the professor, Jaobar. I've never seriously invoked WP:IAR before, but I think it's appropriate to do so in this case. I have no connection with this article or with any of the people who've worked on it, btw. Is anyone else also willing to IAR? I won't mark it "good to go", since that could be viewed as unilateral and provocative, but if one or two other uninvolved editors agree, I'd say we could reasonably mark it so. Additional comment, please?  – OhioStandard (talk) 05:35, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
C'mon, let's welcome some newcomers. We can always bite 'em later.  – OhioStandard (talk) 16:26, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
But DYK isn't really about expanded articles; the template even says "from Misplaced Pages's newest articles". You've still improved the encyclopaedia and surely that is more important than saying you've had a DYK? BigDom 16:32, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
I've not been involved with this article or its creators in any way; I don't even know any of them. I just think it has to be pretty discouraging to a class of college students who'd like to see their work get some attention when they find they missed out because their prof didn't quite know all the rules. It seems to me like a pretty small courtesy to extend to a group of newcomers, so as not to make their experience with Misplaced Pages a disappointing one. And besides, we really can bite 'em later. If we discourage them now, we'll probably lose them, and thus lose that future opportunity. ;-) Seriously, can we please give these kids this small break?  – OhioStandard (talk) 17:24, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
"give these kids this small break?" I don't mind, but the prof did not even credit his kids by listing them as contributors in the DYK nomination. We don't know the exact start date of the expansion. Its hard to assume everyone listed in the edit history is his students and give them all {DYKmake}. --PFHLai (talk) 23:46, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, PFHLai, that's kind. I presume his not having done so is just the result of inexperience due to his only having begun participating on Misplaced Pages in mid January. Those who are very familiar with this process probably don't recognize how very complex it must seem to new users; I've been on WP for quite a while, and I didn't know, myself, that more than one person could be credited for a DYK. Would anyone mind if I asked him and/or his class' mentor back here to clarify?  – OhioStandard (talk) 04:40, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
I wouldn't mind, and I don't see a clear reason to not IAR here. To answer BigDom above, one of the principal motivations mentioned in the ambassador program was the opportunity for an article written by themselves to go live on the main page to be viewed by thousands of readers. That's why it is such a big deal. Ed  04:54, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Thank you, Ed. I do think this is just the kind of situation IAR was put in place for. Based on your having no objection, and on no one else having objected, I did go ahead and re-invite the professor to this thread, and also (in part because I see he's not been online since commenting above) two of the "campus ambassadors" that I see from his talk page have had involvement with his class. I'm not sure of either one of their roles, but perhaps they can clarify for us which of the contributors to the article deserve credit, should an IAR-based approval be allowed by consensus in this case. Thanks again,  – OhioStandard (talk) 10:10, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
I would also say this is a case for IAR, for what it's worth. Pesky (talk …stalk!) 10:25, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Thank you, Ohio. Let me know if there is any other way I can help. Ed  23:17, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Hello everyone. I really appreciate this discussion, and want to thank those that have called for the IAR move. I can tell you that MSU's involvement in the USPPI this spring semester has already received a lot of attention from the College of Communications as well as the campus newspaper. We have just put out a press release that will hopefully get our team some much deserved recognition. Our 5 DYKs are prominently displayed in the press release, and those students that have been recognized have a lot to be proud of. With this in mind, I would fully support the IAR move, I know that this form of positive feedback will only serve to motivate our students, and will hopefully provide an additional incentive to become Wikipedians. Oh, and I didn't mention the students involved because I didn't realize that I was supposed to. I too am a newbie. The hundreds of articles that our students contributed to can be viewed on our course page. Those involved with the Free Press (organization) article are noted there as well. I'll note their names here for those without the time to check the page: WilsonComm, Mediaphyte, Banksbr2, and Mcclel71. Thanks again! Jaobar (talk) 02:19, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. We now have four independent users (myself among them) who are willing to WP:IAR in this case, to let this nom go forward, but we still need to make sure the right contributors get credit. I've asked user Neelix, the relevant "mentor" for the group that worked on this article, to accomplish that, since I don't know how to do it myself. Once that's done, I think it'd be fair to say we have consensus here to proceed. Thanks, all.  – OhioStandard (talk) 06:55, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
I think this is the first time I've ever supported an IAR motion, but if there was ever a good reason, this is it. I have given the appropriate credit above, but I cannot mark this nomination as "good to go" because I have been involved in developing the article; an editor who has not edited the article has to be the one to make the official call. Neelix (talk) 14:53, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
In reviewing the hook above, I do not see justification for employing the words "and most prominent." While the article claims that the organization is the most prominent, the source quoted does not make that claim. Prominence is subjective anyway; it is enough of a hook to state that Free Press is the largest media reform organization in the United States. Neelix (talk) 15:02, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Agreed. I will change the language right now. Jaobar (talk) 16:42, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Yes, thanks for pointing that out, Yoninah. OCNative introduced the tag without commenting here, or on the article's talk page, to identify any specific, actionable concern. I've asked him, at article talk, to do so. I've also brought up a few other minor issues there that I'd like to see addressed, myself, before this proceeds.  – OhioStandard (talk) 17:45, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
(I am one of the Ambassadors contacted) I agree that this should move forward using IAR after the concerns on the talk page are met. I would ignore the drive-by-tagging if no explanation for the tag is given in the next few days. I will see what I can do to help sort out this article --Guerillero | My Talk 19:38, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Though I thought the ad tone was self-evident, I guess I was mistaken, as others do not see it, so I have provided the requested explanation for the tag at Talk:Free Press (organization)#Advert tag. OCNative (talk) 02:59, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Just a quick note of thanks to OCNative for pointing out the specific problems he's now very helpfully identified on talk. Based on his having done so, I think the participants should be able to both improve the article considerably and also deal with the issues he rightly identifies, to at least a "good enough to go forward" level, in fairly short order.  – OhioStandard (talk) 11:04, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
I'm ok with IAR here as to time and the prof should credit his students, BUT the article still has an "advertisement" tag and the refs are poorly formatted. Remaining issue need to get fixed soon as we can't drag this on indefinitely.BarkingMoon (talk) 22:56, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
I formatted the references. The tag is really in place, though, because the article reads like something off the organization's website, as you can see from the lists of the board of directors, campaign names, and an S. Derek Turner bibliography, all sourced to freepress.net. There is one paragraph of criticism at the bottom that is nowhere near as developed as the laundry lists are. Yoninah (talk) 21:37, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 18

List of human diseases associated with infectious pathogens

Toxoplasma gonddi, an infectious pathogen associated with Alzheimer's disease, depression, and Tourette syndrome.

Created by Drgao (talk). Nominated by Crisco 1492 (talk) at 12:29, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Initial review looks good. I think you are supposed to have the picture (Toxoplasma gandii) in the article as well as with the DYK, especially to show that it has appropriate rights associated with it.Parkwells (talk) 21:09, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed: Formicium (diff) - Crisco 1492
Fixed that. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:33, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
Article has been deleted. Schwede66 18:35, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
It's been restored, but with an AfD. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 20:43, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
Kept as no consensus, may be merged. Any ideas? Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:32, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Now it has an undue weight tag. BarkingMoon (talk) 23:01, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Argh. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:27, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Haven't looked at the article. Hook is interesting enough; pity the Latin garble has to be there, and the pic is not self-explanatory without some referring text. Tony (talk) 14:12, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
How's that? Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:25, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Looks like jelly fish.

ALT1: 135 ch. ... that obesity, Alzheimer's disease, and cancer have been associated with infectious pathogens such as Toxoplasma gandii (pictured)? Tony (talk) 16:04, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

ALT1's good. I chose the picture precisely because the bacteria look interesting. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:05, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
ALT1 ok.BarkingMoon (talk) 18:13, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Why aren't any of the rather uncommon terms in ALT1 wikilinked? Is that an oversight (I assume it's that), or is it deliberate (and because it might be, I'm not adding those links myself)?

Articles created/expanded on May 19

Jetsun Pema (Bhutan)

Created by PeldonSonam (talk), User:Nvvchar (talk). Nominated by Spongie555 (talk) at 23:42, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Hook checks out. To assist, I placed the refmark required (source) in article. It was not indicated there before. At least two of the references I read says October as wedding month. - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:21, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes you most certainly deserve more of a credit than anybody, I've credited you. Jen and I only made minor edits so we don't mind not being credited.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:30, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Please run the dash script on such an article; it takes 10 seconds—I've done it. I see a typo in the article. And redundant expression (Their marriage is scheduled to be held in October 2011.) Why is "English" linked? Focus of interest in the hook is unclear. First royal wedding in some town ... is there a bigger context that makes this interesting? Is it the fact that he is a student? This is tenuous as a DYK. Tony (talk) 14:16, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Hal Santiago

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 22:39, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

  • The bulk of the article is based on 2 blog references. I supplied a list of other, reliable sources that may be used to build it up a little. More information about him can probably be found in Filipino-language publications. Yoninah (talk) 21:13, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
So, I used 2 of the suggested reliable sources into the article. I guess you may now approve the article and remove the template there. Thanks. - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:08, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
  • You may have used a reliable source for the hook ref, but the article is still largely based on blogs. I would appreciate an administrator reviewing the applicability of this article for DYK. Yoninah (talk) 18:17, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 20

Elections in Pichilemu

Created by Diego Grez (talk). Self nom at 14:21, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Actually I created the article on May 22, six days ago. I was going to nominate it the day before yesterday but my connection wasn't fixed until yesterday's night. :| I'd move this nomination to its proper section if it wasn't so freaking large. Diego Grez (talk) 18:19, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
I haven't made a hard count, but prose excluding the lead should be less than 1.5k characters, and that prose doesn't have references. Each of the 17 elections' tables are cited though so that's a plus, but there should be an explanation on how the winners are determined in multiple-seat elections: for example, the municipal elections look like plurality-at-large voting, while I don't get parliamentary elections results, it looked like plurality-at-large but in some cases the 3rd best candidate is seated instead of the runner-up. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 19:07, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
In the case of the parliamentary elections, the table shows the winners in the complete electoral district (35th of Santa Cruz and Pichilemu). I'll be expanding the article explaining the results in a bit. Diego Grez (talk) 20:47, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure if this will be OK for the 5-day rule. You created this in May 22 and steadily increased it on the next days, which also means it'll also fall short of the 5x rule; you can invoke the 5x rule though if you expand that one-paragraph prose. Seeing that prose was added around May 28, you'd have until June 2 to do a 5x expansion on that. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 13:05, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
@Diego - then why is it in the section for 20 May vice 22 May? BarkingMoon (talk) 20:32, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Per the additional rules, "Five days old" really means about eight days in Swahili :) ", lets not nit-pick over an odd day or two if the article and hook are good (by my count the article is over 1500) - Basement12 (T.C) 20:46, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
It is! Also, it wasn't easy to create these results tables! @BarkingMoon - Probably because I pointed out above I didn't look properly when I nominated it, and I'm too lazy to move it where it should be :P Diego Grez (talk) 04:04, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Will June

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 03:36, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

I don't see the need for the middle part ("grandfather ... linebacker"). It distracts from the main subject of the hook. Ed  04:58, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
That is the part that will get the clickthroughs. Without that part, he is not even notable enough to have a WP article. He would just be a non-notable person who is the subject of a one-time event. Without that no one will even click through and it will have less than 1000 clickthroughs. NFL fans will want to find out who is his grandson and clickthrough with the proposed hook.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:45, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
...then why is he notable? I mean, have you seen WP:ONEEVENT or WP:NOTINHERITED...? Ed  22:21, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
The combination of modest event notability and inherited notability. He would not inherit notability as a grandfather without the bowling and the bowling would be a ONEEVENT issue if he did not have notable family. The combination makes him notable. If you want, we can suspend this and go to AFD, but I think it would pass despite modest WP:GNG. I do not think he would truly pass notability independently, but I do believe that being a grandfather makes him slightly more notable in a way that makes him passable. I think this particular grandfather relation makes the "degree of significance of the individual's role" (see ONEEVENT) more notable.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:11, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Great interest potential for this hook, but it's a bit overstuffed with nouns. And it's almost entirely diversionary blue—aren't all of those links in the article, and if not, why not? But I'll stop complaining about that for a minute. It's over the limit. Can US be used once? His age of 75 ... can't that go in? The "300-game" pipe looks mighty technical. "Perfect game" would attract readers, even if they didn't know its meaning until reading the article. But I'm not sure. Was it two consecutive games? And why does his grandson take up most of the text? Kind of diminishes the focus on his own achievement, which surely is the focus of interest, since there are plenty of grandfathers of NFL pro bowlers, etc, aren't there? In the article, does "June is a 20-year United States Air Force veteran" mean a total of 20 years' service? His d.o.b is not given.

    ALT1... that last November at the age of 75, Will June set a US Bowling Congress record as the oldest player to bowl two consecutive perfect games?

    Oh, now I see the similar comment above. I find the grandson theme weird. Can you mention just one of the grandson's affiliations, not two? Tony (talk) 16:27, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

    • First of all the original hook is not over the limit of 200 characters. Second of all, as you remove the "great interest potential" you surely will shrink the number of clickthroughs, which is the goal of DYKs. Saying both of those things (which fits within 200 characters as originally stated will get NFL fans interested). They will all want to click through to see which NFL guy. Tony, I believe you are from the other side of the world where the NFL is not so big a deal, but here in the states, that hook will grab the attention of American football fans. If you just describe this guy as a guy who had consecutive 300 games you will lose clickthroughs for the same reason the article would fail at AFD without that information. Being the grandfather of a National Football League Pro Bowler and Super Bowl champion linebacker is the thing that makes the "degree of significance of the individual's role" (see WP:ONEEVENT) more notable and the only reason why he has modest WP:N. If you cut out the two NFL facts it is far less interesting to the audience of people likely to click through. Keeping them both will get you a ton of NFL fan clickthroughs.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:10, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Princess Nora bint Abdul Rahman University

Created by Dualus (talk). Self nom at 14:49, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

  • good to go. unless listed in ITN (which I can't see) Dang! Was looking at it on an old/small screen with "page size" not enabled on an old version of IE...apologies... Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:35, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
It is timely, with the new campus opening less than a week ago, but I didn't think that was as newsworthy as that it's now the largest women's university. That fact seems to work better as a DYK. Dualus (talk) 00:09, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Prose is almost 500 characters too short to qualify. Please type in more. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 07:46, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Council of Ministers of West Bengal, Sabitri Mitra

Created by GaneshBhakt (talk). Self nom at 14:43, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

  • How can you say "the only other woman in the 43-member strong..." when your list has quite a few "TBC" slots? Any of these slots may end up being filled by women. If the hook is to emphasize on Sabitri Mitra, then please have a bit more on her in her wikibio before this hook hits the MainPage. (Hint: Make this a double-DYK hook!) Your refs need to be properly formatted and not include bare URLs. Yahoo news is often unstable and the URL may expire soon. Please find the original news source, if you can. (Google news may help.) --PFHLai (talk) 02:42, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 Fixed GaneshBhakt (talk) 05:00, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
I've emboldened the link to the "Sabitri Mitra" article to make the hook a double-DYK. It's new enough and long enough but needs better ref formatting. The problem I have with the hook is that I can't find where it says Sabitri Mitra and Mamata Banerjee are the only females in the cabinet. It would help if the table has a column indicating if the person is male or female, but I don't know how to reference this info. Are the people's name supposed to convey such info? I don't know the language. BTW, the paragraphs immediately above the big table have no footnotes. And how many categories of ministers are there? 2 or 3? And, if the entire "Education" column is "TBC", we might as well leave it out. --PFHLai (talk) 08:10, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
I still cannot find a sentence in either DYK candidate articles that says Sabitri Mitra and Mamata Banerjee are the only females in the cabinet. Such a sentence, supporting the hook, needs to be in the article, possibly using this as the ref. For DYK purposes, there should be at least 1 footnote in every paragraph, but there are none in the prose immediately above the table. I have put in an {CN} where a footnote can be added to meet this DYK requirement. (A news article about her not running for a seat and still getting the Chief Minister job would be useful as a ref there.) Also, the artcle says "There are three categories of ministers....", and then only two bulleted points followed, so what is the third category? Hope this helps. --PFHLai (talk) 15:15, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 21

Franciscan monastery of Saint Luke, Jajce

Created by TheSilverArrow (talk). Self nom at 11:07, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Well, I added some stuff to the article and now it has more than 1,500 without spaces, added a reference in English (Reference No. 5.). TheSilverArrow 13:38, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Query, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 23:30, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Filipino seamen

Filipino sailors of the US Navy met by Philippine President Benigno Aquino III in the hangar bay aboard the USS Carl Vinson (CVN-70) on 14 May 2011.

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 05:25, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

I wasn't planning on jumping the gun... just worried. Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:02, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
It was a joke related to your concerns. - Yk talk · contrib 06:22, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Ah... to be honest I suspected you were making a double entendre (italics cued me in), but I wasn't sure what you were referring to. Could you let me know on my talk page? Thanks. Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:27, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Could use some photographs!♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:53, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Can't find any suitable images from commons. Anyone who can assist? - AnakngAraw (talk) 11:14, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
It says "TABLE 1: Deployment/Assignment of Filipino Seamen" which should be sentence case. Same for all table titles. Lightmouse (talk) 20:55, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Copyedited to form sentence case. Is that how you wanted the tables to be? - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:34, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Yes, that's it. You missed one but I did it. Thanks. Lightmouse (talk) 18:47, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Tweaked the two hooks to that effect. - AnakngAraw (talk) 15:59, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

The Firm (U.S. TV series)

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 22:44, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

* - Could be but I can't find in the ref any that would connect to the phrase "the largest of any" from the hook. - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:30, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Ooops missed that. Seems ok now. - AnakngAraw (talk) 23:07, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
There are many red links in the article. Are these needed? Billy Hathorn (talk) 02:35, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
I have eliminated all the ones that I am not certain will be created when the show starts.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:10, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Billy Hathorn (talk) 15:31, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Largest what? I have never heard a TV series described as "large" (or, conversely, "small"). Kevin McE (talk) 17:07, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
It says the "largest of any order" in the hook, so it is referring to the size of the order. OCNative (talk) 19:55, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Similarly, I have never heard anyone talking about a TV series as having a large order. What does this mean? Is it the number of episodes in the series that is remarkable? Very unclear. Kevin McE (talk) 20:21, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
US TV networks don't produce most of their own content; they buy it from studios. For most new series, the network will buy a limited number of episodes (13 is common) and assess the show's potential after the first few shows air. Since NBC ordered 22 episodes of a series which has no track record (and only that series), it indicates that the network thinks that it is their strongest new series. The studio is happy because they get paid for every episode, even if they don't ever air. Horologium (talk) 20:32, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Thank you, but that even after such an explanation has been made, there is still no obvious word that is implied, but semantically optional, after largest is evidence that the hook is unclear. If programmes are sourced from numerous studios, then each order is presumably a separate purchase contract. If I understand your claim, it is that 22 is the greatest number of episodes ever purchased as one series: if that is the case, can we find a clearer way of saying it? Kevin McE (talk) 21:24, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
No, the greatest number of episodes ever purchased up front is 44 (for two seasons of "Amazing Stories"——see this link), but the hook clearly notes that it is about the new shows in NBC's 2011-2012 schedule, and the citation provided from Deadline.com states "With all the attention on the new series pickups at NBC, let's not forget that the network has been eyeing another new series on tap for next season that has larger order than any of the newly picked-up shows - The Firm.", which is almost the same verbiage in the hook. Maybe it's because I am an American, and have a decent familiarity with the way our TV industry functions, but the meaning of the hook is quite clear to me; can you suggest a different wording for the hook which would allay your concerns? Horologium (talk) 00:51, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Never mind, I see the problem. How about this:
Alt 1 ... that the 22-episode order for the television series The Firm, a sequel to the 1991 novel and 1993 film of the same name, is the largest order for any of the new shows in NBC's 2011–12 programs?
That suggestion also eliminates a potential factual inaccuracy, since the cited source states that it is discussing new shows only, not established shows. I didn't check all of the renewed shows, but I suspect that some of them have orders for at least as many episodes. Horologium (talk) 01:07, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
I'm not being deliberately obtuse, honestly. Largest implies that there is some dimension the size of which can be measured and compared: what is this dimension? Cost? Number of episodes? Prevalance of bald heads? What? Kevin McE (talk) 06:19, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
22 is the largest number of episodes. I do not know of any way to convey this that does not become needlessly repetitive (and which will break the 200 character limit; my alt is at 197 characters). Can you come up with a formulation that works for you? Horologium (talk) 09:34, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Thank you: now we know what data the claim relates to. If conciseness is an issue, remove or reduce the reference to the films: how about ... that the series with most episodes among NBC's 2011–12 orders is The Firm, with 22? or ... that the television sequel to 1993 film The Firm has 22 episodes, more than any other series among NBC's 2011–12 orders? or change the thrust... that the 22 episode TV series, The Firm, is a sequel to the 1991 novel and 1993 film of the same name, set 10 years after the originals? Kevin McE (talk) 18:55, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Mitch Skandalakis

  • ... that political ads from a 1998 election campaign run by Mitch Skandalakis, a former State Representative and county board commissioner from Fulton County, Georgia, are considered a "classic example of racebaiting"?

2x expanded and sourced (BLP) by Drmies (talk). Self nom at 15:53, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed a star with an awkward name, above. Starstriker, give that star a cool name, will you? Drmies (talk) 16:48, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Speaking of awkward names, how about a politician whose name starts with "Skandal"? (Well, awkward but appropriate in light of his conviction on corruption charges.) The original hook is 214 characters, which is a wee bit over the limit. The following is only 143, so there's room if you want to re-add some detail, but I tend to prefer a svelte hook.
  • ALT1: ... that political ads from a 1998 election campaign run by Georgia Republican Mitch Skandalakis are considered a "classic example of racebaiting"? MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 19:05, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
  • The hook talks about the ads, not about the person running them. There actually were some name jokes in the news reports about this guy. I could add that he was sent to jail after lying to an FBI investigator about taking bribes, or that he was disbarred by the Georgia Supreme Court... Drmies (talk) 13:37, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
I meant the fact is that he was sent to jail or disbarred. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:08, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
While I could make a fairly confident guess at the meaning of racebaiting, I have never come across the word, nor is it in my (UK) dictionary: race baiting (two words) is in Wiktionary. Needs linking or rephrasing. From the article, it seems less than conclusive that this opinion is as widespread as implicit in are considered to be: if it is not a near-universal take on the comments, then something like have been described as would be more appropriate. Also, ads is an informal abbreviation, the broadcasts were advertisements. Kevin McE (talk) 17:22, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
I think the ads constitute "negative aspects" of Skandalakis, as per this rule: "...hooks which focus unduly on negative aspects of living individuals, or which promote one side of any ongoing dispute, should be avoided." OCNative (talk) 19:30, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
It's not much more positive, I'm afraid, but more fact-based. I struck out the old hooks for clarity's sake. Drmies (talk) 15:54, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
  • ALT3 clearly averts the negative aspects of living people rule. ALT2 is marginal, as he actually was convicted and disbarred by legal authorities (as opposed to the race-baiting, which is just an academic accusation). OCNative (talk) 11:50, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Well, "just" is not really justified here. ALT 3 is interesting since it's the only thing in his entire resume that can be called 'positive' (in fact, it shifts towards undue, which is kind of sad). Pick whichever one, though I prefer ALT 2. Drmies (talk) 02:27, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Okay, I'll strike the "just" then. OCNative (talk) 08:14, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Note: I only supplied ALT3 as a last resort in case everything else was judged to be too negative. By all means use something else if it's found to be acceptable. The applicable rule is about "hooks which focus on negative aspects of living individuals". The following reworking of the original hook is about ads run by a campaign, with no mention of an individual:
  • ALT4: ... that political ads from a 1998 Georgia election campaign have been described as a "classic example of racebaiting"?
It seems like this could work, but again, if all else fails, there's always ALT3. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 18:51, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Lilin-Lilin Kecil, Chrisye

Created/expanded by Crisco 1492 (talk). Self nom at 15:23, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

It says "Honours and Awards" which should be 'Honours and awards'. Lightmouse (talk) 21:03, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Fixed. But... Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:07, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. I do thousands of tiny edits just like that myself. For articles going through FA, GA, or this review page I've been told that instead of just providing an invisible service, it's worth making the process visible so dozens of editors start looking out for such things. Lightmouse (talk) 19:01, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
A song writing competition is presumably about the music and lyrics, not the performer. The song has been performed by many other people. Mention of Chrisye should be more tempered. If being such a hit after only being judged 5th is remarkable, then being only placed 5th in a competition of teenage songsmiths is more remarkable, so let's remark on it. Suggest ... that James F. Sundah's 1977 song "Lilin-Lilin Kecil", which became Chrisye's signature song, only placed fifth in the teenagers' song writing competition it was entered in, but is now considered among the best Indonesian songs of all time?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevin McE (talk • contribs) 17:39, 25 May 2011
@Anon: He was the one who sang the song when it was entered into the competition. I've fixed my hook to better reflect that. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:09, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Although come to think of it, the anon's hook has some merit. I guess I should let other editors decide. Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:35, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Sorry about the anonymity of forgetting to sign that time. The hook is improved anyway, so I don't mind much either way. I just hate people claiming that they are singing, for example, "Frank Sinatra's My Way": when they sing it, it isn't Frank Sinatra's, but it is Paul Anka's, now avoided. However, the lukewarm initial response to the song is emphasised by mention that it was a songwriting competition restricted to teenagers. Kevin McE (talk) 19:05, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
I have added "for teenagers" to my hook as well. I guess our choice depends on whether we want to show that Chrisye was the one who sang it during the competition, or that it became his signature song. Both work, IMHO. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:12, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Fine; likewise happy with either Kevin McE (talk) 16:31, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
(For clarity: if another editor disagrees with me adding this, please feel free to remove it) Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:08, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Melaleuca fulgens

maroon flower

5x expanded by Casliber (talk). Self nom at 05:28, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Date and length check out, but the hook doesn't appear in the article yet (even if it's implied). Is a rewrite of hook or article possible? Khazar (talk) 06:12, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
A smaller issue, too--the article doesn't call it "attractive". Can this be sourced and put in quotation marks? Or just removed? Khazar (talk) 06:15, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
The government website describes it glowingly as "Always striking for its soft grey-green foliage, it is irresistible when in bloom". Given this is a website on growing it as a garden plant, I described them in the article as horticultural features with some positive adjectives. It is a highly regarded garden plant which I am trying to convey. I haven't directly stated the same genus bit in the article. I can rephrase to:
this way, the genus placement of both in the genus is mentioned on each species page - how is that? If not good enough I'll try to think of a different hook. Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:43, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
DYK rules unfortunately require that the cited fact be in the article itself and noted with an inline citation. Hook rules Would it do any harm to mention within the species article something like "its genus includes X, Y, and Z"? I'm not sure how these are normally constructed.
I'd also still suggest taking out the "attractive" as non-neutral. I understand where you're coming from, and personally agree with the assessment, but it seems a little like having a hook of "Hamlet is a very good play by Shakespeare" or "a pizza is a tasty dinner food"; many people would agree, but it's still POV unless sourced to a particular author or set of authors (which would make this very cluttered). Just mentioning "garden shrub" will be enough, I think, to indicate that it has ornamental value. Actually, what would you say to the word "ornamental" here, or "decorative"? Something that suggests a role rather than a value judgment... Khazar (talk) 17:17, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
'Ornamental' is a very good choice. Will see what I can do about a direct link. Just had an idea...Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:33, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Material now in Melaleuca fulgens article. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:11, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Good to go. Khazar (talk) 22:01, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Weedy does not mean of or pertaining to a weed, it means weak and feeble, or possibly inundated with weeds. Neither of these describes the 20m high Melaleuca quinquenervia. This species is only considered a weed in a few states of the US, not in its native range, so this is a rather parochial slur. Kevin McE (talk) 18:06, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
And yet, the article (and the hook) were written by someone who is from its native range, which would seem to indicate that perhaps your aspersions are a bit misplaced. Horologium (talk) 20:13, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Does not affect the fact that neither of the definitions of weedy describes this tree, and any claim that this plant is a weed other than in a small proportion of the US is absent from Misplaced Pages. Kevin McE (talk) 20:47, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Strewth! Stone the crows! Ok - struck "weedy". In environmental circles it can mean "invasive" hadn't realised it was so specific, so stricken. Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:04, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Hangout Music Festival

The entrance to the Hangout Music Festival

Created by Srt252 (talk). Self nom at 05:53, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

  • At 686 characters the article is far short of the 1500 miniumum (note to nominator tthe lists of performing artists don't count towards the 1500). If the article can be expanded in time it could still make it - Basement12 (T.C) 11:32, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 22

Erich Lackner

  • ... that every two years, an award named after German civil engineer Erich Lackner is presented to young engineers for their "outstanding contributions in scientific and technical work"?

Created by Thingg (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 04:39, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Perp walk

  • ALT1:... that actor Judd Hirsch's son once promoted an upcoming appearance by his band during a perp walk on drug charges (later dropped)?
  • Reviewed: CSS Missouri ()

5x expanded by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 18:29, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

At least in relation to the first suggestion, I have deep BLP style reservations about applying the word perpetrator (even in abbreviated form) to somebody whose case has not even reached the courts. Does innocent until proven guilty not apply to Wiki? Kevin McE (talk) 20:06, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
The term is used so often that I don't think most people make the connection to the full meaning of "perpetrator" anymore. BLP says nothing (yet) about maintaining the presumption of innocence of people accused of crimes, not in the least because it is not a universal practice (yet). Not that it wouldn't be a bad idea to so amend BLP, but in the present circumstance that doesn't apply. Daniel Case (talk) 19:27, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure BLP would restrict us from calling someone a perpetrator of a crime, when no RS would dare doing so for fear of libel and/or contempt proceedings. Perhaps we could get around it by using a phrase like "so-called perp walk". Kevin McE (talk) 21:28, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Well, RSes all over the U.S. use it all the time, including in discussing the one mentioned. Nor, for all the concern expressed over the potentially prejudicial effect on the presumption of innocence, have I found any evidence of any attempt to actually research this. If it's good enough for the New York Times, it's good enough for us. I'll go with putting it in quotes, perhaps, but even that goes against standard usage in the American media. Daniel Case (talk) 01:25, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
"Perp walk" is surely semantically independent of "perpetrator" at this stage, no? Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 01:29, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Essentially what I was saying in so many words. Daniel Case (talk) 05:29, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
The perp walk term is used in reference to Strauss-Kahn by Reuters, the Washington Post, the New York Times, the New Yorker, MSNBC, Fox News, and CNN. The term was also used in reference to Strauss-Kahn in an Associated Press article that ran in the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal, CBS News, ABC News, and NPR. Some of these stories discuss the clash in American vs. French and European reactions to the perp walk, as it is quite common in the U.S. but very rare in France and Europe. I think these stories may explain Daniel and Kevin's reactions to this hook, as Daniel is American and Kevin is British. OCNative (talk) 10:41, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Obviously a vast difference here between the US and non-US perception of how common this term is: I had never heard of it before reading this hook (and incidentally, I'm more Irish than British, but anyway...). I would still be happier with a one step removed treatment of the term, by putting it in inverted commas or preceding it with so called, but I'll make that a suggestion rather than an objection. Kevin McE (talk) 14:06, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Ah, I was going off your respective user pages. I saw that you had mentioned Irish roots, but everything else looked British. Sorry about my mix-up on that. OCNative (talk) 08:18, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
I'd be inclined to accept ALT1 + the first suggestion. Myself being from the United Kingdom, I do not pick up any implication that he is guilty (despite the barely visible etymology of the phrase). Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 18:18, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Deacon, I know you said you'd "be inclined to accept ALT1," but it seems that you are describing the original DSK hook. Could you clarify whether you were referring to the Dominique Strauss-Kahn hook or the Judd Hirsch hook? OCNative (talk) 08:22, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Yes, sorry for being confusing; I have altered my statement for clarity. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 14:56, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Phnom Bok

Brahma, a the Trimurti from the Phnom temple kept in Guimet Museum in Paris.
  • ... that the Phnom Bok hill temple in Cambodia, with rectangular plan is dedicated to the Trimurti (pictured Brahma image a Trimurti) images built in Bakheng style (893-927AD) installed in individual sanctums?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Rosiestep (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 02:00, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

According to our article, Trimurti is a concept or a belief: the temple contains depictions of the Trimurti. Kevin McE (talk) 06:40, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
The concept is personified in the form of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva and worshiped in image form in Hindu temples. One such form in stone carvings is also shown in the Trimurti article. Cambodia, which once followed Hindu religion adopted the same concept in creating temples and enshrining them with Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva images.--Nvvchar. 07:45, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Precisely: it is the images that are made in a Bakheng style and installed in sanctums, not the deities (whose existence, yet alone location, is something that an encyclopaedia can comment on) Kevin McE (talk) 19:39, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
I get you point. I have now added word "images" to the hook. In case you wish to reword the hook you are welcome. Thanks.--Nvvchar. 02:29, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
That's grand: sorry if my initial note was unclear. Kevin McE (talk) 06:12, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. Any reason why the imgae has been deleted?--Nvvchar. 04:01, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
BarkingMoon inadvertently removed the image in this edit when moving CSS Missouri to the Preps. I have restored it. OCNative (talk) 09:46, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Chalet Girl

A Caucasian man dressed in a blue low cut shirt standing in front of a green hedge.

  • ... that actor Ed Westwick (pictured) liked the idea of playing a "nice guy" in the British film Chalet Girl ?

5x expanded by Miyagawa (talk). Self nom at 21:57, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

The Prince and the Surfer

Created by Lexein (talk). Self nom at 23:55, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Length, date, and cited hook all check out. May I suggest a catchier hook, though? It would need to be cited, but...
... that the 1999 comedy The Prince and the Surfer does not contain a single instance of surfing? — AlekJDS 02:43, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
  • "does not contain a single instance of surfing" source is not as reliable as I would like, which is why I did not suggest that as the hook. --Lexein (talk) 08:30, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Ken Barrington

Created by Philipjelley (talk). Self nom Philipjelley (talk) 19:40, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

It says his height is "5'4"". The abbreviation for 'foot' should be 'ft' and that for 'inch' should be 'in'. Titles in tables and headings should be sentence case. Lightmouse (talk) 21:13, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
I've edited the article for sentence case, links, units, spelling. Lightmouse (talk) 19:15, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Barrington was present at the test match in Barbados as a team manager: the hook makes it sound like a not very remarkable coincidence ( on the day he died, a match was being played in the same place where he got his first century). Suggest ... that the England cricketer Ken Barrington died while part of the management of the England team playing in Bridgetown, Barbados, where he had made his first Test century 21 years earlier? Kevin McE (talk) 18:53, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
How about "... that the assistant-manager of the England cricket team Ken Barrington died on 14 March 1981 while they were playing the West Indies in the Third Test at Bridgetown, Barbados, where he made his first Test century 21 years before?" Philipjelley (talk) 08:52, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Could "Third Test" be wikilinked to something? I (and most of my fellow Americans, I assume) have no idea what the "Third Test" means in the context of cricket. Also, shouldn't it be "English cricketer" rather than "England cricketer" (in the original hook and the first alt hook)? OCNative (talk) 12:04, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
There are countless "English" cricketers, but very few are selected for the national side. See the wikilink on "England" in the hook. --Dweller (talk) 12:09, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

<-the first incidence of "Test" should be wikilinked to Test cricket. --Dweller (talk) 12:11, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

The article link for the series in which he dies is; History of cricket in the West Indies from 1980–81 to 1990, there is no article on the 1980-81 series. The link to the series in which he made his maiden Test century is more precise; English cricket team in West Indies in 1959-60. If we use just the former we would have DYK "... that the assistant-manager of the England cricket team Ken Barrington died on 14 March 1981 while they were playing the West Indies in the Third Test at Bridgetown, Barbados, where he made his first Test century 21 years before?" Philipjelley (talk) 17:37, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
In terms of the co-incidence of location of his death and his first test century, neither third test nor the date are very relevant: the maiden century was in January, in a first test. These additional, rather redundant, details make it more difficult to explain what is relevant within the allowable text constraints, and distract attention from the essence of the hook. Kevin McE (talk) 18:52, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Do you mean; DYK "... that the England cricketer Ken Barrington died in Bridgetown, Barbados, where he had made his first Test century 21 years before?" Philipjelley (talk) 09:27, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
That seems fine to me, without superfluous details (I assume mad was a typo for had). Maybe link that he was working with the England at the time of his death: double coincidence of "employer" and location. "... that cricketer Ken Barrington died in Bridgetown, Barbados while working with the England cricket team, for whom he had made his first Test century in the same city 21 years earlier?" Kevin McE (talk) 11:56, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Alcyonium digitatum

Alcyonium digitatum

Created by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self nom at 18:22, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Too far away. Only hooks for April Fools is allowed to be submitted more than a year before. (Although I agree completely with your point that it would be great for Halloween). Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:16, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Grammy Award for Best Soul Gospel Performance, Male or Female

5x expanded by Another Believer (talk). Self nom at 17:13, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Christian Council of Ghana

Created by Crosstemplejay (talk). Self nom at 14:12, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Much happier. Date, length, format and cites are good, which back up the hook. Notability also not a problem. Good to go. FruitMonkey (talk) 17:39, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Actor's and Sin

5x expanded by MichaelQSchmidt (talk). Self nom at 10:04, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

I see nothing remarkable in that two actors had, at some time, only worked together twice. What point is being made by the word only? Kevin McE (talk) 18:58, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Olek

Woman with blonde hair.

  • ... that Polish-born American artist Olek is well-known for having her exhibit visitors wear her full body fabric art (pictured)?
... that New York-based artist Olek (pictured) regularly involves exhibit visitors in her work, by having them don "wearable sculptures", her full body fabric art?
Alt 1: ... that participants in performance art by Polish-born American artist Olek (pictured) are literally crocheted into her body suits, without fasteners?

Created by Zanimum (talk). Self nom at 15:48, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Date, length, and first hook OK. Second hook is sourced to http://subwayartblog.com/ , which might not be a WP:RS. Go with the first hook. I would advise against using the picture--it might be a copyright violation, since it is a photograph of a copyrighted artwork. See commons:Commons:Derivative works.--GrapedApe (talk) 03:23, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Cool! What Subway Art Blog says about the suits I don't think is unique to them, likely one of the other ones say it too. If I could find a reference to being crocheted in, would that be a preferable hook? With the picture, it is a public performance: would freedom of panorama kick in? There is a picture of the artist herself, if that's of interest. (see above). -- Zanimum (talk) 21:03, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
If you can find another source for ALT1, that'd be better. No, freedom of panorama only applies for buildings (which are copyrightable, but you can take pictures of them in spite of their copyright). The image of the artist would be preferable.--GrapedApe (talk) 01:17, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Not that the second hook is now also cited to a video of the process. -- Zanimum (talk) 15:16, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Somebody can be known for something they do; they can also be well-known. While Olek may be known for this habit, I would dispute that she is well known: I suspect I would need to ask a very large cross section of the public before finding anyone who has heard of her. Kevin McE (talk) 19:03, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Wowsers, I obviously wrote that in my sleep. I agree that she's rather obscure, outside of the art world. She got major media coverage for the Wall Street bull covering, but I doubt many who saw that saw her name, let alone remember it. And since that's the highest profile, suggesting she's best known for the "wearable sculpture" is technically wrong. So, I've created a new main hook, but I'd still like alt 1, now that I have the second source. Without a picture of her artworks, the first hook really doesn't seem to explain things, but the second captures the uber-weirdness of the process better. -- Zanimum (talk) 00:18, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 23

Thomas of Galloway

Created by Deacon of Pndapetzim (talk). Self nom at 01:05, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Readers love a bit of drama, so please consider removing what will mean nothing to 999 in 1000 readers of the main page (including the uncomfortably cascading bunched pipes), and adding a bit of the spice? Who cares that his brother was Alan something (should probably be L, not l, too)? And the article doesn't state that the second raid was with ships, too; I guess you've checked out ref 8 for that, and I hope it's a decent source. Is 1214 still "the early 1210s"? Were they "soldiers" or just a band of thugs? Hard to tell.

    ALT1 ... that in 1212 Thomas of Galloway, an agent of the English and Scottish kings, led the sacking and looting of the Irish city of Derry with 76 ships, returning in 1214 to devastate the city again?

    197 ch. Tony (talk) 13:49, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

That sounds like an improvement generally, I'd just have concerns that the new wording would carry some inappropriate political connotations for lots of readers, so suggest perhaps:

ALT2 ... that in 1212 Thomas of Galloway, brother of the ruler of Galloway, sacked and looted the Irish city of Derry with 76 ships, returning in 1214 to devastate the city again? Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 18:12, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Áed in Macáem Tóinlesc

Created by Deacon of Pndapetzim (talk). Self nom at 00:33, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Siege of Klis

Petar Kružić fighting the Ottomans

Created by Kebeta (talk). Self nom at 16:38, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi Todor and thanks for your review! Hook says.."Petar Kružić defended the Klis Fortress against Ottoman invasion for more than two and half decades.", it doesn't say that the last siege lasted for more than two and half decades. So, hook is OK, and cited in the lead. Klis Fortress was indeed under constant invasion for more than two and half decades, which is cited in the article. In that period there were numerous sieges, and the last siege (lasted around six months) resulted in an Ottoman victory. So, I am not refering to a last siege in my hook, but to a all sieges until the final fall of the fortress. Regards, --Kebeta (talk) 08:54, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
OK, I have changed the hook, is this better..?--Kebeta (talk) 09:02, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi! In the future, please strike the original hook and post the new one underneath so that the discussion below remains coherent and clear. For the record, the previous hook was: "... that during the Siege of Klis, the Croat feudal lord Petar Kružić defended the Klis Fortress against Ottoman invasion for more than two and half decades?". This clearly implied that the siege itself lasted more than two and a half decades.
The current hook looks OK, the article's length and date are fine as well. However, I was unable to access http://klis.hr/ and the reference to this website. I get an 'You are not authorized to view this page' error message. Is it possible that the URL is not accessible outside Croatia? It appears to be inaccessible from other places as well. If it's indeed a restricted URL and the website is not otherwise down, I could perhaps verify the reference AGF. — Toдor Boжinov — 13:39, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Sorry for not strikeing the original hook - I didn't know that. As for the reference - it's probably down, since I was looking there these last several days. Anyway, the text in that web page is copied from the book 'Klis: Prošlost, Toponimi, Govor' by Srećko Listeš (located in section 'Further reading'). But since that book doesn't have preview on google books (thus no page number), I used this web page as a citation. It was working fine so far. --Kebeta (talk) 14:31, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
OK, now it's fixed. --Kebeta (talk) 14:31, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
I'm verifying the submission with the following hook:

Al-Abbas ibn al-Ma'mun

Created by Cplakidas (talk). Self nom at 09:11, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

A few suggestions from me:

— Toдor Boжinov — 18:07, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

How about:
  • The last one is near what I was thinking of, and it is still a bit too convoluted, plus there was no unsuccessful coup but a conspiracy to make one. Anyhow, for simplicity and "catchiness" I prefer ALT1 and ALT2, with the change of "Arab prince" to "Abbasid prince". Constantine ✍ 19:06, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Paula Barbieri

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 12:29, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Liang Huazhi♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:22, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Carya washingtonensis

Created by Kevmin (talk). Self nom at 23:09, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Please review the ratio between high and low value links. I think you can remove links to plain English terms like month, road signs, English language. Lightmouse (talk) 21:36, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

5th (Scottish) Parachute Battalion


Self nom Jim Sweeney (talk) 21:56, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Declaration of war by Canada 23 May
  • Length and date good, AGF for book ref. I've added the "that" to the start of the hook assuming it wasn't left out deliberately - Basement12 (T.C)
Deliberately misleading hook: the Balmoral Bonnet is not an example of what is typically understood by bonnet. Not April 1. Kevin McE (talk) 19:06, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
I disagree see Bonnet (headgear)#Men its an accepted term for male headware. Jim Sweeney (talk) 20:49, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
"Bonnet" in general is fairly outdated, but Scottish English retained the use of the term for men's headgear long after (English) English had begun to limit it to women, and it still crops up in military contexts to this day - see, eg, this or this. Given the context, I don't think it's inappropriate. Shimgray | talk | 21:00, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Seeing Bonnet (headgear)#Men confirms my point perfectly: The word "bonnet" for male headgear was generally replaced in English by cap before 1700 While the exception in Scots English is noted, to rely on that linguistic throwback to make a point seems contrary to WP:VNE. Let's be honest: the hook is only chosen because it seems laughable to have paratroopers in bonnets, as bonnets is usually understood. On those grounds, it is deliberately misleading. Kevin McE (talk) 21:10, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Alt 1: ... that during World War II, the Red Devils were ready for anything? Spy007au (talk) 07:53, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
The word bonnet is still retained for men's headgear in Scottish English, particularly in a military context (and note the article is on a Scottish battalion), so I see no problem with the original hook. The idea of the hook is to get readers interested in the article, something that initially seems bizarre, but is entirely correct, will do that perfectly and is entirely legitimate - Basement12 (T.C) 08:47, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Agree with Basement; it's a hook, after all. The usage is correct, and can be clarified in the main article. Khazar (talk) 16:56, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
But it is only correct to the reader of the Main Page whose natural ENGVAR is militaristic Scots: to anyone else it is misleading. Kevin McE (talk) 19:51, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
I apologize for budding in but I noticed this discussion by chance and felt the need to comment. The problem here seems to be that "bonnet" is linked but not bolded. Our readers assume that bolded items appearing in the DYK section might be re-worded for "catchiness" and they don't mind that (like the "Red Devils" proposed in ALT1). For all other non-bolded blue links the reader assumes that they link to standard encyclopedic definitions of the term. The intention of the hook is to make the reader click on the bolded entry because it is the only one leading to the newly created/expanded article. If this was a double nomination and if the word "bonnets" was bolded there would be no problem because the readers would assume that the bonnets you are talking about are not your garden variety bonnets. But if the word is not wikilinked at all or just plain blue-linked than it's misleading as the reader assumes you are talking about the common bonnet. He/she will click on the bolded item to find out more but will find an article which only once mentions Balmoral bonnets and it occurs in the middle of a decently developed article. Unless they read through the article they will indeed feel misled. Timbouctou (talk) 23:31, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
How is it misleading the battalion wore bonnets, its referenced and anyone clicking on the link is taken to the correct article. The term is used today to quote from the British Army website dress regulations for the Royal Regiment of Scotland Cap badge worn on left of bonnet over tartan patch page 26 Jim Sweeney (talk) 21:29, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
What image do you really think springs to mind for the vast majority of readers when they read the word bonnet? Precisely the image intended by those saying that this incongruity is what makes it a good hook. In other words, it is a good hook to the extent to which it misleads. That might be acceptable on April Fools' Day, but not ordinarily. I have no problem with a blurb that says that the regiment refer to their headwear as bonnets: that is factual, honest, and encyclopaedic while communicating something that is surprising. Kevin McE (talk) 23:01, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
If we rule out all meanings that the vast majority of readers don't comprehend we may as well just use Simple Misplaced Pages. The DYK section is boring enough without culling interesting hooks that are factually correct - Basement12 (T.C) 23:50, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
There is an essential difference between dumbing down so much that we treat readers like fools, and trying to fool them. I believe that this hook comes under the second of these (hence it is the style used on April Fools' Day). I note that this is a defence the practice of misleading, rather than a denial of it. Kevin McE (talk) 06:06, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
The headgear in this instance is properly called a bonnet. To the extent this is misleading, it is because it is an unfamiliar term. Right in the lede of the bonnet (headgear) article, it says, "In the 21st century, only a few kinds of headgear are still referred to as bonnets, most commonly those worn by babies and Scottish soldiers." I'll suggest ALT2 ... that the Red Devils wore bonnets in battle during World War II? That is undeniably factual, and is even supported by this photo! cmadler (talk) 12:03, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
No: it is misleading because it is an unusual application of a very familiar term. It is disingenuous to use a piped link to claim evidence of use of language. An unsourced claim that these are the second most common bonnet of current production does not remove the far more pervasive impression that most of us have of the word based on historical examples. If you want a blurb that says they wear Balmoral bonnets, there is no objection; if you want to say that the 5th (Scottish) Parachute Battalion refer to their headgear as bonnets, there is no objection. But to simply say they wore bonnets is to mislead. Kevin McE (talk) 18:40, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Ok takinG in all above how about ALT2

Jim Sweeney (talk) 16:43, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Seriously is this what DYK has become? ALT1 is one is typical of DYK and entirely uninteresting (no offense meant to the suggestor who is working within the norm as we are all forced to do on occasion) and ALT2 solves none of the supposed issues whatsoever. If, and it's a massive if, it's of upmost importance not to confuse people with the word bonnent, then for Jim Sweeney's pointlessly unlinked alternative - Basement12 (T.C) 23:48, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
I was asked to come here to comment. Without a larger context, this risks making a fool of WP's main page and a joke of a proud battalion. Assuming good faith in the nomination, it may be that too much is being assumed of the readers' knowledge. <break> I've just looked at the article and it appears they only wore a bonnet "initially". And it was "instead of the beret"; even if I could picture the difference, I'm asking "why?", "what is the significance?". I don't even get it from the article, and urge you to either recast the hook or drop the nomination altogether. But it's a fine topic and a promising article, so why not find something that is interesting in the stand-alone mini-context of a hook? Like an extraction from this text, just below where the troublesome bonnets are mentioned in passing: "At the end of most exercises, the battalion would march back to their barracks. An ability to cover long distances at speed was expected: airborne platoon's were required to cover a distance of 50 miles (80 km) in 24 hours". But I'm sure there's even better material for a punchy hook that will rope in the visitors; I haven't got time to read more of the article to know how to do it; please try.

ARTICLE: All editors, please avoid left-side pics unless you're sure they work at narrower as well as wider window widths / default font sizes. You might reconsider the visual composition of the badge and skewiff emblem in the infobox, too—particularly as the emblem, on my monitor, cuts through the first section title and the resulting necessity for a left-side first pic then causes a cut through of the "Battalion" subtitle. I wouldn't mind that first pic a bit bigger, too (same for the boat landing and Athens pics—really great to have them, so why so tiny when detail-rich? Suggest 240px). Tony (talk) 13:24, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

ALT3 hope this one meets everyones satisfaction

Date and length of article still fine, agf for offline ref. Not sure if pointing out that it's the 5th Scottish Parachute Battalion in the hook is needed and/or better, but i'm easy either way - Basement12 (T.C) 12:40, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Charles Edward Keyser

Monochrome photograph of an upper-class gentleman in the Edwardian era. He is seated, holding a bowler hat.

Created/expanded by Mattgirling (talk). Self nom at 21:36, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Checks out for date and length. AGF on the references, although an anonymous reference is a bit dicey in terms of reliability. A suggestion on the hook: I think you can do without saying stockbroker and Knight Templar? -danjel (talk to me) 14:11, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
I have no problems with changing the hook – I quite like the Knight Templar bit, I think it sounds a bit quirky – but agree stockbroker is irrelevant. matt (talk) 09:56, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Rizal Law

José Rizal

  • Comment: Suggest a June 19 date as it is Rizal's 150th birth anniversary.

Created by Howard the Duck (talk). Self nom at 17:44, 23 May 2011 (UTC)


New Zealand WWII pilots

Roy Calvert

Created by Spy007au (talk). Self nom at 13:23, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

How about Alt1

Jim Sweeney (talk) 18:38, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

MisterBee1966 (talk) 06:47, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Tobermory (distillery)

[REDACTED]

5x expanded by Miyagawa (talk). Self nom at 13:03, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Tobermory had been made famous many years earlier by the character of the same name in the Wombles! Kevin McE (talk) 19:08, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, but I was trying to go for the shock value that Balamory had a whisky distillery. :) Miyagawa (talk) 12:16, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Jigme Gyatso

Reviewed: Armada 2526

Created by Khazar (talk). Self nom at 05:43, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

The article is Prose size (text only): 3529 B (583 words) "readable prose size" and there needs to be at least 1500 words. Otherwise, date and sources verified. mauchoeagle (c) 21:54, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

David F. Ford

2x expanded and sourced (BLP) by Yoninah (talk). Self nom at 00:22, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Not precisely what the source says, but close enough I guess. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 03:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Is this better?
ALT1: ... that distinguished theologian David F. Ford of the University of Cambridge once interviewed for jobs at British Steel and Rolls-Royce? Yoninah (talk) 13:35, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Fine too. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 20:36, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Who did he interview? In UK English, the prospective employer interviews, the would-be employee is interviewed. Kevin McE (talk) 19:29, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Fair enough.
ALT2: ... that distinguished theologian David F. Ford of the University of Cambridge once applied for a job at British Steel and Rolls-Royce? Yoninah (talk) 10:14, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
I've removed "distinguished" as it's peacockery, and changed "job" to "jobs" (the interviews were not for one job).
ALT3: ... that theologian David F. Ford of the University of Cambridge once applied for jobs at British Steel and Rolls-Royce? Ericoides (talk) 11:58, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Length, date and ref all check out for ALT3. Ericoides (talk) 12:47, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Intelligence in Canada

Created by MauchoEagle (talk). Self nom at 21:45, 23 May 2011 (UTC)


Articles created/expanded on May 24

Citizens' War Memorial, William Trethewey

bronze figure of an angel mounted on a stone column bending a sword

  • Reviewed: Julien Hoffmann (diff)
  • Comment: One of the two articles is a combined effort. The other one was written in my userspace. Both are new.

Created by Schwede66 (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 21:58, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Hook, date, length, date check out. Did a little copy-editing on the article.

Lagos Colony, Walter Egerton

Created by Aymatth2 (talk). Self nom at 19:53, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Nathaniel Merrill

  • ... that the productions of American stage director Nathaniel Merrill at the Metropolitan Opera, "such as Dulcamara's arrival via hot-air balloon in Elisir, kept Met audiences diverted and amused for a generation"?

Created by 4meter4 (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 10:38, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Good to go. Quotes in the hook are maybe a but awkward, but o.k. I think. Aymatth2 (talk) 19:46, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Aodh Méith

Created by Deacon of Pndapetzim (talk). Self nom at 00:47, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

A request for clarification: is this a return of hostages as part of negotiations, hostages as a surety of the safety of Aodh Méith, or what? Kevin McE (talk) 14:18, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
The latter. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 18:05, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
In that case ALT1 ... that Aodh Méith, Ó Néill chief and king of Tír Eoghain, refused to meet John, King of England because the latter was unwilling to give hostages as surety that he would be safe? Kevin McE (talk) 20:26, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Ambrosio José Gonzales

Colonel Ambrosio José Gonzales

  • ... that Colonel Ambrosio José Gonzales (pictured), a Confederate soldier, once fought for the US annexation of Cuba?

This article was once a "stub" and I, Tony the Marine (talk) 15:14, 27 May 2011 (UTC), have expanded it to what it is now, a full article.

  • Expansion of the article falls short of 5x. According to DYKcheck, the previous version was 1742 characters (255 words) of prose, and current one is 6456 characters (1042 words). Thus, it's currently at 3.7x. Is it possible to add more? --Orlady (talk) 03:21, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Hello Orlady, I'm not too familiar with the expansion character thing. The thing is that when I happened upon the "stub" on May 24th, it looked like this "Stub" and after I tackled it, I ended up with the current version which is this. To tell you the truth I don't think that I have more to add to the article. Tony the Marine (talk) 06:03, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
  • In an attempt to further expand the article I have created and added a section called "Father of notable journalists". I hope this helps because to tell you the truth I do not know what else I can do. Thank you and take care. Tony the Marine (talk) 18:45, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
  • The qualification for DYK is that an article be new or be a 5x expansion (measured in prose) over the previous version. In this case, the original article was fairly long, although it did not do justice to its subject. Not all of the expansion is counted as prose, since the expansion includes a long blockquote (which isn't counted by the tools). The "Journalists" section is a good addition. I've poked into the sources for the article, and I believe that ample content exists to take this to a full 5x expansion. The 2003 biographical book about Gonzeles has extensive information that could be used to flesh out the article (however, I found the book "hard going" to read). Additionally, there is a large amount of primary-source material (not generally appropriate for Misplaced Pages, but potentially helpful nonetheless) at http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/gonzales.htm . With a little tweaking, I think this will qualify for DYK. --Orlady (talk) 04:22, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Fontenelle Dam

A large earth dam and reservoir in semi-desert

  • ... that the collapse of Teton Dam in 1976 was foreshadowed by a similar near-disastrous failure at Fontenelle Dam in 1965?

Created by Acroterion (talk) from a redirect. Self nom at 21:59, 25 May 2011 (UTC)


Eugene Linden (conductor)

5x expanded by Another Believer (talk). Self nom at 16:56, 25 May 2011 (UTC)


Manipur Bush Rat

Painting of a large brown-coloured rat with white undersides seen sideways facing left.

5x expanded by AshLin (talk), Shyamal (talk). Self nom at 04:11, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Is there space to say the he donated the collection to the Natural History Museum, rather than leaving the verb oddly intransitive? Kevin McE (talk) 19:35, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Sturgeon House

A white house with asymmetrical slanted roof.

Created/expanded by Niagara (talk). Self nom at 01:14, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Date, length and hook check out. PhantomPlugger (talk) 17:32, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

"Harvey" mannequin

Harvey cardiopulmonary patient simulator

Created/expanded by Gene Hobbs (talk). Self nom at 20:57, 24 May 2011 (UTC)


Chiapa de Corzo, Chiapas

5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 20:42, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Good to go.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:57, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

It would be extraordinary if the earliest tomb were not pre-Hispanic. It is presumably also pre-industrialisation, pre-internet, and pre-lots of other things that have happened since AD400. But are these the oldest tombs in Mexico, in the Americas, in the world, or merely in that area? Without clarification of the parameters of the claim, it is meaningless. Kevin McE (talk) 19:45, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Cottage Home Historic District

A view of the Cottage Home Historic District from Dorman St.

  • ... that John Dillinger is said to have frequented a bar in Cottage Home (pictured) while preparing for his heist of the Massachusetts Avenue State Bank?

Created by PhantomPlugger (talk). Self nom at 19:02, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Length, date and refs all good. It might just be me but the wording of the hook seems to suggest that the photograph is of the bar, rather than a photo of Cottage Home Historic District. matt (talk) 19:02, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Interaction Hypothesis

Created by Mr. Stradivarius (talk). Self nom at 18:27, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Length, date and hook check out, sources offline. Article looks good! PhantomPlugger (talk) 19:11, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Tema Harbour

Created by Crosstemplejay (talk). Self nom at 18:14, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Checked. Ready! I would write Tema Harbour with both words capitalized. -IceCreamAntisocial (talk) 06:57, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Tema Harbour, or The Tema Harbour? The latter looks odd, and only occurs in one of the 5 websites cited. Hook changed: objection withdrawn Kevin McE (talk) 19:58, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Please clean up the overlinking in the article. --PFHLai (talk) 19:04, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Islanding

  • ... that in spite of real-world tests concluding that the risk is "virtually zero", islanding conditions are still used by utility companies to refuse connection of new distributed generation systems?

5x expanded by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 17:28, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Reviewed Bird Watching, below
  • Length, date OK, but the referencing needs work... I gather that one of the other references already given was authored by Verhoeven? Which one? Need to fill in author= -danjel (talk to me) 14:18, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
It's used in #8. I'm not sure I know what you mean by the author=, I've never used that. Maury Markowitz (talk) 15:15, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Sorry as in: {{ref |author=}}. -danjel (talk to me) 00:01, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, I haven't used that either. Can you make a sample edit in the page so I can see how to do it? Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:19, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
I really can't... The problem is that I can't identify what "Bower & Ropp" is, because you haven't given me any other information to find those citations besides the author names. You need to, at least, provide the year of publication, the title, and publisher.
Above, I was assuming that Verhoeven, Bower & Ropp, etc. were the authors of some of the other references that you've already provided, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Take a look at WP:REFERENCES#Examples and Template:Cite and fill in some detail so that the references are verifiable. -danjel (talk to me) 02:35, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Bird Watching (magazine)

Created by Pigsonthewing (talk). Self nom at 16:56, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Ron Stein

Created by Basement12 (talk). Self nom at 16:03, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

White dress of Marilyn Monroe

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 15:35, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Length, date and references are all good but for such an iconic dress is a more eye-catching hook not possible? Unless the intention would be to save this hook until the day of the auction? Basement12 (T.C) 16:08, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
For if we save it for the 18th of June: ALT1 "... that the white dress which Marilyn Monroe wore in the 1955 film The Seven Year Itch is up for auction today?" Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:19, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
It's a good idea to save it for June 18. Additionally, the hook could mention the expected auction price of 1 to 2 million dollars. So:
A little shorter: ALT3 "... that the white dress that Marilyn Monroe wore in the 1955 film The Seven Year Itch is up for auction today and may fetch up to two million dollars?" Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:09, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Source for the alts is fine, I'll check with the Dr that holding the nom for the day of the auction is ok. I guess a problem may arise if the auction is changed for any reason - this will need checking closer to the time - Basement12 (T.C) 12:56, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
They can, but they must be free (i.e. not fair-use). Removing the image. Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:42, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
How about this one then? Oh, and can we place this DYK into the Special occasion holding area for June 18th? Shearonink (talk) 14:15, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
We are waiting for the nom, Dr. Blofeld to agree. As to the picture, I am attempting to make a more complete one out of the public domain trailer. I am not very good with Photoshop, so we'll see if it can pass muster... I am going to assume that it could pass muster at 100px. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:22, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Marilyn Monroe's white dress from the The Seven Year Itch trailer.

I finished the image. I think it may be okay at 100px, but at larger resolutions... well, anyways, we seem to have a PD image. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:08, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
I think it looks great, but I guess it's up to the moving admins to include or not? Shearonink (talk) 15:15, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Glad you like it. It could be refined by anyone who cared enough to make it look decent at a higher resolution. BTW, I contacted Moonriddengirl to ask about the copyright status. While we're at it: ALT4 "... that the white dress that Marilyn Monroe wore in the 1955 film The Seven Year Itch (pictured) is up for auction today and may fetch up to two million dollars?" Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:21, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Looks great, thumbs-up from me. Paging Dr. Blofeld, paging Dr. Blofeld... --Shearonink (talk) 18:47, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Takoradi Harbour

Created by Crosstemplejay (talk). Self nom at 14:46, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Date, length and hook checks out. Maybe the hook should be a little more eye-catching? - Yk talk · contrib 09:43, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Scores zero out of 10 on the DYK Lame Index. Who cares? Part of the problem is that no one will have a clue about the two place names, and, well, why shouldn't a harbour take eight years to construct. Go back to the article and assemble something interesting, arresting, punchy. Tony (talk) 13:49, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
This phrasing makes it stand out slightly less, but the definite article looks redundant here, as at Tema Harbour above: we are talking about the harbour at Takoradi, so it is called Takoradi Harbour (no "the") Hook changed: objection withdrawn Kevin McE (talk) 20:03, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Please increase the ratio between low and high value links. It contains links to months e.g. (July), years (e.g. 1895 and 1921), common units (e.g. kilometre and %), integers (e.g. 20 and 600), number names (e.g. million), common currency (e.g. dollar). It has repeat links (e.g. Ghana is linked twice). It has a section heading 'Current state' but after reading the section I don't understand why that is the heading. Lightmouse (talk) 07:28, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Trisakti shootings

Created by Crisco 1492 (talk), Redyka94 (talk). Nominated by Crisco 1492 (talk) at 13:03, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Article was created on 22nd not 24th. Suharto is spelt as Soeharto in article., May wish to fix this consistently.♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:49, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Article was moved from userspace on May 24th, although it was created in userspace on May 22nd. I will fix the Soeharto --> Suharto thing; I'm used to the Indonesian spelling, but you are right, we're the English Misplaced Pages. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:15, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Soeharto --> Suharto for all of the in-text stuff. Not changing the book title though. Done. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:17, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Ministry of Transport (Ghana)

Created by Crosstemplejay (talk). Self nom at 12:58, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

  • I'm not sure if "international trade" is the right place to put the link. Perhaps link it from "the country's sea ports" instead? --Eisfbnore  14:24, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Paperbark Flycatcher

Created by Maias (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 12:18, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

The grinding scissors noise might be notable in discussion of the Restless Flycatcher, but has absolutely nothing to do with the Paperbark Flycatcher. Humans never walk around with their backsides in the air like the closely related chimpanzee, but we don't use that fact as the main piece of data to share about our species. Kevin McE (talk) 20:09, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
The issue was that they were considered the same species until 1999 and look very similar. I just realised the former point is not conveyed and hence the significance is lost. I am ruminating on how to make it more interesting. I just thought the "scissors-grinding" thing was funny....Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:07, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi, Casliber. I'm afraid I agree with Kevin McE - "scissors-grinding" is a feature of Restless Flycatcher and has nothing to do with the Paperbark Flycatcher. Sorry. --Philcha (talk) 12:35, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
That's why I suggested the alternate below - more interesting than it sounds as it is highly unusual for a species to be split like this in a first world country. Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:47, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

ALT1

Argentina at the 1960 Summer Paralympics

Created by Basement12 (talk). Self nom at 11:36, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

  • What I've noted above for Switzerland at the 1960 Summer Paralympics applies here as well: trim the "Disability qualifications" (which doesn't pertain here, and all but one sentence doesn't apply to the 1960 Paralympics), and trim the sentence from the lead about how the 1960 Paralympics were prepared (also has no relevance to the Argentinian athletes), and you have an article of less than 1200 characters. Drmies (talk) 02:59, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
And what I've said above applies here as well; it is relevant. The sentence in the lead is the one that notes that the Games were not at the time called the Paralympic Games (that designation came later), the disability classification section contains only one sentence not directly relevant to the Argentinian athletes and their events and that explains the differences between which athletes were eligible in 1960 and those eligible in later Games. Again though there is nothing to add to the article due to the limited number of competitors so if you don't like it for DYK as it is there's little that I can do to change the article - Basement12 (T.C) 09:12, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
For clarity's sake, I'll also repeat what I said above, at Switzerland: in my opinion that information pertains to the games (and most of it to the following games, not these ones), not to the participation of this team. But I invite other DYK editors to judge this as well. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 16:00, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Jens Bache-Wiig

5x expanded by Eisfbnore (talk). Self nom at 09:06, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

5x expansion seems correct, Norwegian reference accepted in good faith (seems to cite other sources as well) Cambalachero (talk) 03:14, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Article prose: "Bache-Wig moved to Germany for studying engineering"?

    Hook: not only is it over the limit; it gets 2.5 out of 10 on the DYK Lame Index <sound of gong>. Needs a 6 to pass, in my view. Could his expertise be boosted so his resignation seems a bit more dramatic? (I'm sure it was dramatic at the time, although the article doesn't really give much away on that, and the ref is in Norwegian.) A year would be good.

    ... that Norwegian Jens Bache-Wiig, a former professor of engineering, resigned from his position at IT&T in 1935 in protest against New York head office intervention in his area of responsibility? Tony (talk) 12:48, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Thanks for spotting out the Norwegianism in the article. Although I don't care too much about your self-invented "DYK Lame Index" not mentioned anywhere in the DYK criteria, I do like your ALT1. Cheers, --Eisfbnore  17:40, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Hall income tax

Created by Orlady (talk). Self nom at 04:42, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Can paint dry that slowly? I went to sleep half-way through the article. Perhaps zip it up with a few more words? 179 ch:

    ALT1 ... that revenues from Tennessee's Hall income tax vary by as much as 26 percent from one year to the next, due to the "roller-coaster behavior" of capital gains from investments? Tony (talk) 14:02, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Which bit is the point? Errr ... I feel dumb. Mentioning the "roller-coaster" adds just enough interest to attract a lot more people to the article. Tony (talk) 12:21, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
  • I agree with Tony1 that the "roller-coaster" adds interest to a very dry article. I read the article very quickly, and think it could be more readable, and this may involve re-structuring so that the rules and the consequent "roller-coaster" effect precede the history of legisation. --Philcha (talk) 12:45, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

    :Yup, and aside: just think what the US economy would be like if its tax system wasn't so fragmented. More articles on economics, please. Tony (talk) 12:51, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Another note to chooser - Use your judgment in choosing a hook. FWIW, other topics I thought about using in crafting a hook were the fact that (1) this is an income tax levied in a state that supposedly doesn't have an income tax and (2) the extreme disparity in revenues distributed to local governments (from 40 cents per capita in Hancock County to $491.68 per capita in Belle Meade). --Orlady (talk) 04:50, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

    Orlady, yes, both good hook material. I'm ok with the roller-coaster as is, if others are. Tony (talk) 14:18, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Voltar (comics)

  • ... that the World Encyclopedia of Comics described Voltar as one of the earliest epic comic book series to result from a single creator's vision?

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 02:10, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

The hook should be improved under the "Principle of least astonishment". If the text says "comic book", link "comic book", not "Philippine comics" and "comic book"; or reformulate it to make in-text reference to Philipine comics if needed. Similarily, Alfredo Alcala's name should not be pipelinked. You don't need to repeat the quote, stating it in your own words is better. And, now that you are at it, would you mind adding {{Infobox comic book title}} to it? Cambalachero (talk) 02:53, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Can the hook be:
  • Please note that ALT1 and ALT2 mean completely different things from each other. ALT2 says that Voltar was one of the first epic comic books to be a one-person creation by anyone. ALT1 says that it was one of the first epic comic books to be a one-person creation by Alfredo Alcala. If ALT2 is true, it would be a much stronger claim (and thus a better hook) than ALT1, but I haven't looked into that myself. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 17:44, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Also note that there is absolutely no reason why you shouldn't pipe the link: ]. While such practices may be discouraged (← is that link slightly ironic?) in articles, where you have all the space you need to thoroughly explain everything, this is DYK, where a hook is limited to 200 characters maximum, and such usage is extremely common and accepted. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 18:17, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
ALT 6: ... that Alfredo Alcala's Voltar was described as one of the earliest epic comic book series to result from a single creator's vision? - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:26, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Hook 6 seems fine Cambalachero (talk) 18:08, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
I agree. In the infobox it will annoy the readers to see "Alfredo Alcala" printed seven times in a row, like a wallpaper pattern. It's clearly not a team, as the title says. I'd either bin that bit of the infobox and let the main text do its job, or print all of those roles as one, separated by commas, with his name just once. Tony (talk) 12:05, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Copyedited infobox to only one-time appearance of the creator's name. - AnakngAraw (talk) 23:19, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Feudal fragmentation

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self nom at 00:17, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

  • reviewed #Intelligence in Canada
  • Fascinating topic, inaccessible hook. Why is "European" linked? And why mention "Middle Ages" when the term doesn't even appear in the article (which would be a better place to link it than here). Can you work in either the probability that it was confined to Europe, not China or the Middle East (for some reason), or that it occurs after the death of ... (see article for remainder of statement). Tony (talk) 13:47, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
  • I added the Middle Ages link to the article. I think the links in the hooks are fine, through history of Europe might be a better pipe. I've no prejudice if anybody wants to come with an alt hook, but be aware I may not be able to reply for the next few days. PS. Please be so kind in the future and follow the "Notify nominator of any nomination problems with". This page is not very watchable. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 18:00, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
  • We would actually rather readers went to the subject article first, and to proceed from that focused context to related article via links there, not here. Isn't the point of DYK to get hits on the subject article? The first sentence of the article didn't make sense; I've fixed it in two places (please check). And "from the 12–13th century" isn't good. Does the rest need a run-through?

    So, the hook is still missing a focus of interest. Also, unsure whether "suffered" is NPOV. What about this?

    ALT1 ... that the phenomenon of feudal fragmentation has had a significant impact on European history, particularly during the Middle Ages?

    Needs your expertise on the topic to judge; I know nothing about it. Tony (talk) 12:01, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Your alt hook is good; I've added ilinks to European history and Middle Ages to make it look less bare (feel free to revert that, but I think hooks look better if they have ilinks). In my experience, hooks are allowed to have ilinks, and often do. PS. Fixed 12-13th century in text, I hope. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 16:27, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Tahōtō

5x expanded by Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk). Self nom at 20:22, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Franciscan monastery of Saint Luke, Jajce, here, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 23:30, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Date, size, hook check out. Japanese refs AGF'ed (I also presume that the refs for the hook, text for which is uncited in the Comments column, are covered by the refs in the name Property column). Perhaps Property could be retitled to Name, and refs moved/copied to comments? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 00:59, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
DYK check does not give this as having been expanded 5x. It has only gone from 2734 to 3235 characters in readable prose since May 16. Michitaro (talk) 02:08, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
  • The author has been registered less than a month (although they've already created 174 articles) and has just two DYK credits, so this may be confusing, as the file size has been expanded almost ten times. But Michitaro is correct that the prose size has had less than a 1.2x expansion. For an explanation of what doesn't count towards your prose total see here and here. Use of a tool such as User:Shubinator/DYKcheck.js (the most accurate) or User:Dr pda/prosesize.js is recommended for determining prose size. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 03:12, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
My mistake, didn't know the additional rules; nomination withdrawn, and thanks for the links, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 15:44, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
For clarity's sake, here's the icon. OCNative (talk) 12:16, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Nova (operating system)

Screenshot of Nautilus in Nova 1.1.2 Baire

  • ... that the goal of the Cuban state-sponsored Linux distribution Nova (pictured) is to achieve "sovereignty and technological independence"?

Created by Jonkerz (talk). Self nom at 18:05, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Context missing from the hook to make it interesting. Here's what you want: "central to the Cuban government's desire to replace Windows". Can you shift the tiny, indecipherable screen-shot out of the infobox and make it, say, 240px, in the body of the article? Tony (talk) 14:29, 28 May 2011 (UTC)


Current nominations

Articles created/expanded on May 25

Jack Weisenburger

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 18:56, 29 May 2011 (UTC)


Lake Assal in Djibouti

Lake Assal

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 07:10, 29 May 2011 (UTC)


Rupert Inglis

Rupert Inglis

Created by Daemonic Kangaroo (talk). Self nom at 19:14, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

  • "Chaplain" is a normal English word, and probably shouldn't be linked. You do want to funnel them towards the Inglis article, yes?

    The problem with the hook is that is packs in lots of nouns, for which their inter-relationships are unclear. The spectre of a footballer turned chaplain is the interesting bit, which could be beefed up with a little more wording; perhaps his death in WW1 is, ironically, the one element that needs to be dropped. Unsure. Tony (talk) 14:33, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for reviewing the hook, but I'm not sure that your review has been terribly helpful or useful.
I have, however, changed the link in the original hook from chaplain to army chaplain, which is a more specific concept. As for "funneling" readers to the Inglis article, that is surely why the new article is in bold in the hook. Taking your comment to its extreme, there would be no links in the hook other than the subject article.
As for the hook packing in a lot of nouns and their inter-relationships, I fail to see the problem. Not being a linguist or an expert on grammar, I cannot analyse the structure of the hook sentence, but to me it reads fine.
As for footballers becoming priests, that was fairly common in the 19th century as most early international sportsmen were amateurs from public schools whose careers took them off in various directions, including politics, the military and the clergy. His being killed in battle is less common; in the Category:World War I chaplains, of the 40 or so subjects, only 4 were killed in the war.
May I remind you that when reviewing a hook you should check "to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited"; none of which you have mentioned in your review. If you don't like the hook can you improve it or suggest a new one, please? Finally, can you explain your closing "Unsure" – what is it you are unsure about? The hook or the article? -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 07:21, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

In the absence of further comment, can I suggest as an alternative:

ALT1

  • ... in the First World War, former England rugby international Rev. Rupert Inglis, aged 51, decided to enlist as an army chaplain to encourage the young men of his village to sign up for the army.

Mystic River Reservation

Created by Chillowack (talk). Self nom at 14:50, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

  • I'm not seeing anything about the Mystic River Reservation on the page of the book used as the hook's reference (all I see are people's and towns' names). If it could be pointed out that'd be helpful. Also, the references need to be cleaned up for this to be WP homepage-worthy (as they are, they're only bare URLs). Length and date creation are fine though. Jrcla2 (talk) 16:04, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Åbo bloodbath

Created by Skäpperöd (talk). Self nom at 10:03, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

  • The context is missing from the hook, so readers are likely to glaze over and go to the next DYK, or worse, another section on the main page. This is also a critical problem in the lead of the article, which is very unsatisfactory. Are we in Finland? Lithuania? England? And do I take it from the hook that it happened in the 20th century? Great premise for the hook, though, twice spared. Can you make both hook and article work? Tony (talk) 14:38, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
I second Tony's concerns. We should not assume that everyone knows what we are talking about. There are British, American, Canadian, Australian, and plenty of non-native speakers of English who read Misplaced Pages; not everyone will have the same reference pool. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:51, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
I don't think the context would be that important if the hook was more interesting... Hack (talk) 14:56, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
It wouldn't take much. ALT1 "... that two condemned Swedish prisoners spared in the Åbo bloodbath also survived the subsequent Linköping bloodbath?" would be much clearer and still be a good hook, I think. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:01, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
OK with ALT1, I have also expanded the lead per the suggestions above. Thank you, Skäpperöd (talk) 17:35, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Nickel Ashmeade

5x expanded by Sillyfolkboy (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 09:34, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

  • meet record is, I believe, an Americanism: it would be an athletics meeting on my side of the Atlantic. I wonder whether those involved in the sport on both sides of the Atlantic might be able to acknowledge something like event record as a version neutral compromise. Kevin McE (talk) 19:03, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
I have no problem with the switch from "set a meet record" to "set an event record" in this hook, but is it really necessary? The words "meet record" were taken directly from the ref., which is an IAAF website, so this is probably "international" English. Furthermore, the hook is about an event that took place in Puerto Rico, an accomplishment by someone who makes his home in Florida. So using American English seems appropriate. Anyway, I'll be happy either way. --PFHLai (talk) 21:16, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
WP:ENGVAR suggests finding phrasings that are common to all versions of English over and above conforming to local language customs. Kevin McE (talk) 14:46, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
I don't mind changing that part, but I don't think it is necessary. Everyone understands what that means. --PFHLai (talk) 19:11, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
"Meet record"—jargon in athletics throughout the anglosphere, not just the US. The problem is that it's jargon.

Hook: boring, I'm afraid. What is the focus of interest, the irony, the punch? Is it that a Jamaican (a black guy, I guess) beat someone? Probably not, but some readers may take that as the point. It's not even clear from the article. Could one take this line:

"... that Jamaican sprinter Nickel Ashmeade has had a meteoric rise over the past four years, and beat a former Olympic and World champion in the 100 m and set a meet record at the Ponce Grand Prix in May 2011?"

But now it's 209 ch. You could shorten the Ponce bit and remove 2011. Tony (talk) 14:49, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

The only thing I would remove would be the POV/PEACOCK-ish "has had a meteoric rise over the past four years". Boring? I find it exciting when a record is set. If you are looking for a boring hook to fix, try #Argentina at the 1972 Summer Paralympics, South Africa at the 1972 Summer Paralympics, Australia at the 1972 Summer Paralympics below. --PFHLai (talk) 19:11, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Saxon (horse)

  • ... that the offspring of the stallion Saxon were the subject of teasing from his owner's brother, resulting in a challenge race that his horse won by four lengths?

Created by Ealdgyth (talk). Nominated by Qrsdogg (talk) at 00:11, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I read that a few times without being any the wiser about whether "his horse" meant the horse belonging to the owner or the owner's brother. Perhaps ... that when his owner's brother criticised the offspring of the stallion Saxon, Saxon's daughter won the resulting challenge race by four lengths? I know the same word appears either side of a comma, but it is unambiguous. The margin of victory is fairly meaningless if we don't know the distance of the race (or even the tactics of the jockeys: was one horse or the other easing up at the end if the result was already clear?) Kevin McE (talk) 06:24, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

William L. Walsh

5x expanded by Connormah (talk). Self nom at 23:51, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Blurb improvements welcome. Thanks. Connormah (talk) 23:51, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Ready to go: 5.3x expansion confirmed (I'm surprised, as it didn't look long enough, but you've taken it from 1720 characters to 9185), date is good, hook is in article, and you've used solid sources. Nyttend (talk) 14:55, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Titanic Musicians' Memorial, Southampton

RMS Titanic Musicians' Memorial, Southampton

destroyed in World War II and was not replaced for 50 years until the site was redeveloped in 1990. Created by Marek69 (talk). Self nom at 15:56, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Created by Marek69 (talk). Self nom at 19:19, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Boo Harvey

Created by Jrcla2 (talk). Self nom at 15:54, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Marjan Bojadziev

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 09:33, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Sissy's Magical Ponycorn Adventure

Created by New Age Retro Hippie (talk). Self nom at 08:40, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Hans Vogt (composer)

5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 05:45, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

- Date, length, hook looks all good to go. Connormah (talk) 23:56, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Volkswagen Chattanooga Assembly Plant

5x expanded by 842U (talk). Self nom at 02:55, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Date, length, hook all good to go. I have tweaked the hook for simplicity and to avoid being misleading; the 30 mill figure only appears to apply to the Vietnam era, so we might as well just limit it to that, as the simpler hook will draw in more readers anyway. I think this reduction is also needed to make it in under the 200-char hook limit. Feel free to revert, though, if you feel I've overstepped my bounds. Cheers Khazar (talk) 06:41, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Grammar check. I replaced a reversed clause:
  • Near the Hiwassee River in Bradley County, the facility was constructed on 1,400 acres of the 6,000 acre Enterprise South Industrial Park.
with
  • The facility was constructed on 1,400 acres of the 6,000 acre Enterprise South Industrial Park near the Hiwassee River in Bradley County.
Units check. I added metric units.
I hope those changes kept the referencing the same. Please check. Lightmouse (talk) 07:52, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
ARTICLE: I missed your comment and was just about to ask suspiciously whether the conversion was provided: so glad you did it in square km (Lightmouse and I never reached confluence about acres and conversions: it's a messy issue). Why can't the acres be in square miles? Who in the US can visualise what 6,000 acres looks like?

"Site and design": paragraphing could easily be made less choppy.

"automobiles" could be "cars" subsequently, couldn't it? Rather old-fashioned term nowadays.

LEED ... the link should be for the first occurrence, and it goes to a dab page. I'm working hard to get to the right article: is it Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design? If so, can't that be the theme of the hook?

NOMINATOR: I checked your page to see whether you might be a company employee ... no. Many of your previous DKY hooks are much better than this one: nice work.

HOOK: I assumed this was in India. Could we have "Tennessee", too? It's insufferably boring to learn that the new plant is near a storage bunker. The rest of the hook doesn't quite save it from this flattener. The hook is 15 over the limit.

ALT1 ... that Volkswagen's new "aggressive" pursuit of the internationally recognized LEED green building certification in its new Tennessee assembly plant resulted in a silver rating?

They did actually receive it, I see, but only for some things, and only a silver. So it's partly company spin. The article needs more refs like that one I found. Look, I'm unsure now about the angle this has taken. But if you can make something NPOV of it, that would be a good alternative to the long chain of distant links to the war points in the original. (PS "Second World ...... wars" doesn't work.) Tony (talk) 13:25, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

NOTE: VW did NOT get LEED Silver for the Chattanooga plant, according to the reference... they got LEED Silver for their Herndon office building. So out goes ALT 1. 842U (talk) 23:51, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
I agree with Tony about jettisoning the awkward "Second, Korean" construction (which also puts the hook over the char. limit, but I have to disagree that the building's environmental rating is "hookier" to a general audience than the TNT bunker. Perhaps it's just my personal interest in explosions. =) Khazar (talk) 15:37, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
ALT1 looks good, but I think that LEED may need to be wikilinked to Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design. Not everyone will get it; most may not, to be honest. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:29, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Can it be simplified to tons of TNT rather than pounds? Lightmouse (talk) 17:08, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Units check. I've edited it again so the newly added square foot value has a conversion. To User:842U, you may wish to learn how to use the convert template, or try copying it. Lightmouse (talk) 19:16, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks guys, I'll look into the convert template. The LEED ALT 1 doesn't work for several reasons: the supposed source (above) refers to the wrong building, and besides, it would be pretty bland; a lot of buildings meet Silver LEED criteria. But the TNT connection is suggestive of a connection to VW's early history, WWII, etc. No, I'm not a VW employee, but still was working to make sure I found a hook that was informational rather than promotional. As many DYK articles as I've nominated, I've never had so much conversation about the hook! 842U (talk) 22:27, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Soledad Reyes

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 23:16, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Date and length fine, ALT1 acceptable (but). Please improve the format of the refs (date or accessdate, publisher as more than an abbreviation, title). The "title" given for ref 3 is actually a quote from the text, which is fine but should be marked as such, imo. If you could come up with a different hook, I would prefer that, because "is considered" leads me to the question "by whom", also I would like to see first what kind of book, then the complicated title. Imagine a reader who doesn`t know a bit in the beginning, not writer, not Philippine, not woman ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:54, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
As far as I can see, it is the web site of her publisher that describes her book as a landmark. That is scarcely a disinterested RS for an opinion. Kevin McE (talk) 00:02, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Thanks for improving the refs and the article! "All capitals" is not encouraged though, to my knowledge, even if the source has it like that. Please check the last ref (8), it's the same as (3) at present, and that doesn't support ALT5 which I like best, but (see above) would phrase the other way round:
ALT 6: ... that the Philippine writer Soledad Reyes's won a Philippine National Book Award for her anthology of Tagalog language novels Nobelang Tagalog 1905-1975: Tradisyon at Modernismo? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:31, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Alt 5 and 6 now supported. Somehow, I used/copied the wrong URL. The URL has now been corrected. Also copyedited the all caps as suggested. Thanks. - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:18, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Manal al-Sharif

Reviewed: Einar Hoffstad

Created by Ibnadem (talk) and (Boud) (talk). Nominated by Khazar (talk) at 21:36, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Strictly speaking, the proposed text is... WP:OR - sorry :P. A small change should be enough to make this consistent with the RS's and remove the OR:
    • ... that Saudi Arabian women's rights activist Manal al-Sharif was arrested after a video of herself driving a car was posted on YouTube and Facebook?
    • Explanation: There's no RS (AFAIK) stating who actually posted the video on FB and Twitter, and it's probably not central to the topic, even though it might be important in the legal case of whether she was deliberately inciting other women to coordinated political activity etc. Also, at least in the article as it is at the moment, the specific reasons for arrest are not stated. There are some claimed reasons in some of the RS, but this starts getting more complicated, because from one side there are the informal reasons stated by authorities to the press, there might be formal reasons within the Saudi legal system which may or may not be accurately reported in the press, and then there are common sense interpretations by e.g. Amnesty International or by newspapers (e.g. "might spark off a Saudi Arab spring revolution = real reason for being arrested"). The chronology between posting the video and being arrested is a fairly hard fact - the reasons for the arrest are softer, even if they can easily be guessed by the reader using common sense, and can potentially be added to the article, but it would/will require more work by Wikipedians. For this DYK, IMHO the safest thing is to stick to the hard facts that are already sourced in the article.
    • i support the nomination, though as a major contributor, i don't know if this counts for anything. i think the link to the women's rights in KSA article is especially nice because the Wikipedians working on that article have clearly put a huge amount of work into it, including what seem to have been some difficult discussions. Boud (talk) 12:04, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Changes made. Thanks to both. Khazar (talk) 15:31, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Ummm... Khazar: Probably you missed what i meant here, so unwikified it's: ] - there's an article about the country but (at least so far), no separate article about the people of that country. Also, i think you missed one of Tony's suggestions. Regarding Tony's suggestion of changing from a pipe to the women's rights in KSA article to the human rights in KSA article, it's not an easy choice. i would tend to think the women's rights article is more appropriate, because it's a wide enough subject that many readers will only have a vague idea about, so linking to an even wider subject - HR in KSA in general - may lose the reader's attention. To explain by exaggeration: ] ] in Saudi Arabia would clearly be too wide a pair of topics. On the other hand, the women's rights in KSA article has a "see also" link to the HR in KSA article, while the HR article has a section and "main" crosslink to the women's rights article. Both articles have 2011 protests related minor updates. Either could be justified content-wise and could retain readers' and (especially...) editors' interest. Boud (talk) 18:53, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, thought I had gotten that link piping, but I must have blanked on it--it should be fixed now. I'd also prefer the women's rights linking to the human rights linking, but if others agree with Tony, feel free to change. And Boud, you know much more about this one than me, so please do feel free to directly edit--not only will I not be offended, I'll downright appreciate it. Cheers, Khazar (talk) 22:20, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Louis Theroux: Miami Mega Jail

5x expanded by Doh5678 (talk). Self nom at 20:36, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

The article does not meet this criteria: DYK is only for articles that have been created, or expanded fivefold or more, or newly-sourced BLPs that have been expanded at least twofold within the last 5 days.
Comment. Article was nominated on the 25th, DYK check sees 5x expansion on the 22nd. That is 5 days or less... Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:07, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Highgrove House, Eastcote

Created by Harrison49 (talk). Self nom at 19:57, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed: HD 154672 b

HD 154672 b, HD 154672

  • ... that, if extrasolar planet HD 154672 b has water in its atmosphere, the water probably changes from a liquid to a gas regularly as the planet makes its orbit?

5x expanded by Starstriker7 (talk). Self nom at 19:32, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed: Assembly of French Citizens Abroad --Starstriker7 19:44, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Could I add a second article as well?
ALT1: ... that, , if extrasolar planet HD 154672 b has water in its atmosphere, the water probably changes from a liquid to a gas regularly as the planet makes its orbit around its host star? --Starstriker7 22:51, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
We are told that the "equilibrium temperature of the planet varies between 300 K and 600 K" (27 to 327 C so ostensibly either side of boiling point of water as we know it), but if I remember my O level physics, boiling point depends of temperature and pressure: without data about atmospheric pressure on the planet, the temperature range means nothing in terms of volatility of putative liquids. Kevin McE (talk) 23:08, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
I agree with Kevin McE if this is original research. However, if cited that should be fine. Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:09, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Love the hook; agree with Crisco. Tony (talk) 13:28, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Bolo Pasha

Everything checks out, a most fascinating and interesting historical article. ;) Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 01:08, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Badly overlinked; why not keep just Bolo Pasha, and possibly the Justice Dept, but can't they get that from the article you want them to click on? I'm all for funnelling the readers in DYK.

The hook lacks a focus of interest, and my head is spinning trying to imagine the context (hooks should generally make sense by themselves). Executed in which country, when? Tony (talk) 13:33, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Could you please suggest an alternative hook? Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 22:11, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Attempted to add more context to the hook and make prose more concise, also decreased the number of links. Invertzoo (talk) 18:05, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Where is the evidence to support that Pasha is a specifically Egyptian name? Nothing in the article, and the article Pasha speaks of a "high rank in the Ottoman Empire political system" which bestows "a non-hereditary title, English speakers have commonly used the word pasha as if it formed part of a personal name" That article has a long list of "Notable Pashas", only a small proportion of which were Egyptian. Kevin McE (talk) 19:17, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
One of the evidences is here: "Paul Bolo, better known as "Bolo Pasha," once he granted himself an Egyptian title". I read it in some other places also. I replaced it with "Egyptian title" , and if it is removed altogether it's OK with me.--Mbz1 (talk) 20:43, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
  • "Attempted to add more context to the hook and make prose more concise, also decreased the number of links."—I can't see ALT1. Yeah, the focus of interest is that the US DoJ had anything to do with something that happened in Paris. They'll want to go to the article to find out. Can you put his name first? "... that Bolo Pasha, a Frenchman with an Egyptian title who was an alleged German spy, was convicted and executed in France in 1918 using evidence collected by the US Justice Department? Tony (talk) 15:47, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
    Sure, done. You are right you proposed hook is better. Thank you for the suggestion!--Mbz1 (talk) 19:26, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Please let me know if I missed something, but I don't see where it says the evidence was gathered by the U.S. Department of Justice (other than in the lead). If it is referring to the evidence gathered by the Attorney General of New York (described in the "Traveling to the United States" section of the Bolo Pasha article), then that is actually the New York Department of Justice, which is an entity of the state government of New York, not an entity of the national government of the United States. OCNative (talk) 08:42, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Daniel Higford Davall Burr, Anne-Margaretta Burr

Created by Mattgirling (talk). Self nom at 17:36, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Date on Daniel is the 25th, Anne-Margaretta is 24th. Length checks out. Hook is good, and I added the specific text about him being known as Higford Higford which is sourced ok, and quite funny. He must have really liked that name. Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 12:43, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

2011 Slave Lake wildfire

Created by Resolute (talk). Nominated by Doh5678 (talk) at 17:23, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Reviewed The Green Men
  • hahaha! I was going to nominate this myself when I had it finished. I am in the process of adding sections and greater detail, all of which will be sourced and ready before any main page date. Resolute 01:55, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Units check: It says 15 kilometres (9.3 mi) and 100 kilometres per hour (62 mph) which is probably excessive precision. Try '15 kilometres (9 mi)' and '100 kilometres per hour (60 mph)'.
It says 105,000 hectares (260,000 acres) and 500 hectares (1,200 acres). Consider large units for large quantities '1,050 square kilometres (410 sq mi)' and '5 square kilometres (1.9 sq mi)' to simplify the reader's task of visualising.
It uses a time format like '1:30 PM', use lower case 'pm'.
  • Spelling check: It says 'The Town of' which should be 'The town of'. It says 'Royal Canadian Mounted Police' in one paragraph and 'RCMP' much later and some readers won't know the abbreviation without being told. Make a connection between the two forms.
It says government had issues such an order which should be 'government had issued such an order'.
It says evacuation of 800-900 people. User:Tony may wish to review the article for hyphens and dashes.
Lightmouse (talk) 08:50, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
All fixed except the suggested conversion to square km which, in my opinion, makes it less visual rather than more visual. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:57, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Wind speeds of 100 km/h are only approximate so I edited the precision down from 62 to 60 mph. I also added spaces before 'pm'. Lightmouse (talk) 17:04, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
  • So is the fire "ongoing" as the infobox says, or isn't it? If so, why is plain past tense used throughout the article, and in the hook? (Or will the news people on the main page complain?) Was it in Mongolia?

    ALT1... that the devastating 2011 Slave Lake wildfire in Canada has caused the evacuation of all 7,000 of Slave Lake's residents? Tony (talk) 13:43, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Yes and no. Technically, the wildfire is still burning (but under control), but as the article focuses on the impact of the fire to Slave Lake itself, I have placed an end date to the fire within town itself. This would match the past-tense style of the article. Resolute 17:40, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Irish Uruguayan

  • ... that the Shannon Irish pub in Montevideo often features performances by the Celtic band Grianan, which is led by Conrad O'Neill, a fourth-generation Irish Uruguayan?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 15:09, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Trisakti shootings♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:50, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Currently at the AfD. Has been moved to Cuisine of Montevideo, so it will need a new hook if kept. Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:11, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Or is the Doctor planning on nominating Irish Uruguayan, seeing as the redirect points there? Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:26, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Try that.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:53, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Beautiful. Just need a review now. Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:34, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Good to go! Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:20, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

The Green Men

Created by K. Annoyomous (talk). Self nom at 09:54, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

John's Children

5x expanded by Bruce1ee (talk). Self nom at 09:47, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Eriocampa tulameenensis

Created by Kevmin (talk). Self nom at 07:35, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Lysimachia iniki

Lysimachia iniki

Created by IceCreamAntisocial (talk). Self nom at 07:04, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

errr ... can you give a bit more? Why should the reader be interested in this association? Tony (talk) 13:27, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Well, I found it interesting that a plant would be named after a hurricane. Plants are usually not named after hurricanes. True, not everyone would find that very interesting, but a DYK doesn't need to be mind-blastingly fascinating to all. Cheers, IceCreamAntisocial (talk) 13:45, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Here's one mine of interest in the article: "This plant was discovered in 1992, shortly after Hurricane Iniki tore a specimen off the tall cliffs above Kauai's Wailua River and dropped bits of it where it could be collected." Too wordy, but take the gem and/or seek other interest in the last paragraph. Tony (talk) 13:53, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
How about that? --Errant 00:39, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Much more interesting. Tony (talk) 15:50, 28 May 2011 (UTC)


Augustów roundup

  • ... that the 1945 Augustów roundup which resulted in the disappearance and likely murder of about 600 Polish citizens by the Soviet Union is considered the largest crime committed in Poland after World War II?

5x expanded by Piotrus (talk). Self nom at 01:00, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Expansion, date and refs check out, verified through Google Translate. One quibble though, the date is not really necessary in the title: dates are added for disambiguation, and there was no other "Augustów roundup". The Polish name does not include a date either. Constantine ✍ 09:04, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Assembly of French Citizens Abroad

Created by Yk Yk Yk (talk). Self nom at 09:50, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Reviewed: Takoradi Harbour ()

Length, newness check out. The refs are almost all from the same source, but I don't believe that this conflicts with DYK requirements. My only concern is that I didn't find the hook explicitly stated or cited in the article. Perhaps you could revise the hook to include the 70 country tidbit? Alternatively, you could write your hook into the article, making sure that the new information is directly cited. --Starstriker7 19:42, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
It's here: Assembly of French Citizens Abroad#Members; and quotes almost directly from the source. Additional info on the electoral districts is here: Assembly of French Citizens Abroad#Elections (also directly cited). - Yk talk · contrib 19:51, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
My apologies. Clearly, I need more sleep... :P
Okay, you are good to go here. --Starstriker7 22:19, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
I am saddened that this is not 8 days younger because this hook would be perfect for Bastille Day, but it's 8 days beyond the six-week limit for articles to be held in the DYK Special Occasion Holding Area. OCNative (talk) 12:20, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Daddles

Created by Dweller (talk). Nominated by The Rambling Man (talk) at 18:11, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed 2011 Slave Lake fire here. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:19, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
The cartoon duck did not accompany anyone. It was on TV screens, not on the pitch alongside the player. Inaccurate language is not becoming of an encyclopaedia. Kevin McE (talk) 20:18, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Interesting. It would accompany the batsman, from the perspective of the TV viewer. What if it were amended to "Daddles, an animated duck..." Obviously, if we're talking "animated", we're talking about through a televisual medium... --Dweller (talk) 22:05, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
The TV viewers' perspective is not reality. insert in television coverage and you remove the obfuscation of facts. I don't think animated does that: a duck with an adrenaline boost might be considered animated. Kevin McE (talk) 22:44, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Well, the main page currently has "that having "killed" her alter ego Sasha Fierce in 2010, Beyoncé Knowles planned to create her own mix of music genres with her fourth studio album, 4?", which clearly isn't reality either, Beyonce didn't kill anyone, but the quote marks seems to adjust the perspective. So I've added quote marks to the hook. I think our readers can get it from there. Making a hook interesting enough to get the reader clicking on the link is the key to DYK. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:01, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
That looks a good compromise. --Dweller (talk) 08:53, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 26

Radiospongilla sceptroides, Thirlmere Lakes National Park

5x expanded by Casliber (talk). Self nom at 04:12, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Li'l Sebastian

5x expanded by Hunter Kahn (talk). Self nom at 18:59, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

The Bubble (Parks and Recreation)

5x expanded by Hunter Kahn (talk). Self nom at 18:59, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

State Policy Network

5x expanded by Orlady (talk). Self nom at 23:17, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

University of the Western Lands

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self nom at 15:24, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Edward H. Harte

Created by 4meter4 (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 10:06, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Date, size, hook in text check out. Minor quibble: the hook sentence is not supporter by a ref. The next sentence is, but this indicates the density of refs in the article falls below one per sentence, and at the very least, the hook sentence needs a direct cite. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 14:35, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Doubled ref im question, suggest
ALT1:... that the American newspaper executive, journalist, philanthropist, and conservationist Edward H. Harte established in 2000 the Harte Research Institute for Gulf of Mexico Studies at the TAMU-CC with a 46 million dollar endowment? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:15, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Hara hachi bu

Created by SusanLesch (talk). Self nom at 23:33, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the review. I've removed the chart and reworded the hook because the point is to be a good tip to fight the U.S so-called "obesity epidemic". -SusanLesch (talk) 17:03, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
ALT 1: ... that Okinawans, through practicing hara hachi bu, are the only human population to have a self-imposed habit of calorie restriction?
ALT 2: ... that the Confucian teaching hara hachi bu instructs people to eat until they are 80 percent full?
  • ALT 2 is good to go and I would have to assume good faith on ALT 1 as I can't see the cited pages in the book preview. I like ALT 2 the best. I actually live in Okinawa now and the people here are skinny and many are pretty old too. The meals are strangely satisfying by appear small at first.--NortyNort (Holla) 02:00, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
ALT 2 it is, then. Waving to you in Okinawa. According to me, the Japanese are the nicest people in the world. -SusanLesch (talk) 03:56, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Albie Grant

Created by Jrcla2 (talk). Self nom at 16:08, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Warqenah Eshate

Created by Llywrch (talk). Self nom at 06:09, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

  • I felt that the hook was as short as I could make it without risking lack of comprehension; if the hook can be rewritten to make it snappier, I'd appreciate the help. Otherwise, I don't know what to make of this comment: does that mean the hook otherwise would pass -- or fail? (I would think that a real-life example of the literary theme of recognition, which is as old as Homer's Odyssey & the myth of Oedipus & has been evoked more recently in the movie Sommersby, for example, would be interesting. But if my judgment is wrong here, I will happily move on.) -- llywrch (talk) 20:18, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Animation Council of the Philippines, Inc. and Animahenasyon

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 02:54, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Forgot to mention that above is a double nom. - AnakngAraw (talk) 23:26, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Charles A. Lindbergh Chair in Aerospace History

Created by Binksternet (talk). Self nom at 02:18, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Unyon ng mga Manunulat sa Pilipinas

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 02:08, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Parson Capen House

5x expanded by Qrsdogg (talk). Self nom at 01:47, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Nazi talking dogs

Created by Mbz1 (talk) and by Invertzoo (talk). Self nom at 01:43, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Hook, length, and ref seems ok to me. However the "SS" part when first seen is really a big what is that - can we use the full name of the "SS"? Thanks. - AnakngAraw (talk) 02:12, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
I think your hook needs a quick proofread. How about ALT1 ... that Nazi scientists tried to make dogs communicate with humans to serve in the Schutzstaffel? Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:52, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
I knew it needs a proofread :-). I am OK with the alternative.Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 04:18, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Okay, length and date checks out. Information is clearly cited. Note for expansion: you will need a bigger variety of sources. Fine for DYK though. Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:36, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Regarding the issue AnakngAraw brings up, wouldn't the abbreviation "SS" be more widely recognized than the full name "Schutzstaffel"? Ucucha 11:50, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
I think so too, actually. It would make the hook even more interesting, even though it would be piped. Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:00, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
This is one of the funniest articles I've seen in quite a while. In light of the above discussion (I've also piped Nazi to Nazi Germany), how about
ALT2:... that Nazi scientists tried to make dogs communicate with humans to serve in the SS?
or perhaps, the more succinct:
ALT3:... that Hitler's scientists tried to get Nazi talking dogs to serve in the SS? OCNative (talk) 12:29, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
I don't know if it's in the article yet, but that main source could be cited for this:
ALT4 "... that Nazi scientists claimed to have made a dog call Adolf Hitler "Mein Führer".
This can get wacky... Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:35, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
I can't stop laughing. These hooks would all be perfect for April Fool's Day...if they weren't all completely true! I love all these hooks. (I did wikilink Führer in ALT4.) It's too bad we can't proclaim Nazi Talking Dog Day and then use WP:IAR to run all of these Nazi talking dog hooks on DYK. OCNative (talk) 12:49, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Totally agreed... Any admins feeling puckish? Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:58, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
I am happy you're having fun with this DYK nomination :-) I like alt4 the best, and how about ALT5 "... that Rolf the dog from Nazi talking dog's experiment expressed his wish to join Wehrmacht because he did not like Frenchmen? --Mbz1 (talk) 15:40, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Note to self: Shouldn't have read that hook at 11 p.m. Beautiful! Although, for verifiability sakes, it may have to be ALT6 "... that Rolf, a dog from Nazi talking dog experiments and trained to join the Schutzstaffel (SS), reportedly expressed his wish to join the Wehrmacht because he did not like Frenchmen?" Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:47, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Friendly amendment: "...join the Wehrmacht..." Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 00:11, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Done. Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:00, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
After all, it isn't definite. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:50, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
I am fine with alt6. Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 23:23, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Also, perhaps we can nominate this to be worked on and improved for the April Fools FA Article... Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:54, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps, but it will have stiff competition from Pigeon photography :) Qrsdogg (talk) 17:45, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
I doubt this dog article will ever get feature article status no matter how well it is re-written. So I'd say Pigeon photography gets a green light.--Mbz1 (talk) 23:23, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Both are good as in how we can present them, but I agree that (as the articles are now) Pigeon photography will be much easier to maintain. Oh well, we still have 10 months or so. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:39, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I've never commented on DYK before (and frankly almost never look at it), but this is great. My only suggestion is that far more people will recognize "the SS" than "Schutzstaffel." Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 23:34, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Indeed. This has been one of the funnest ones I've ever reviewed. As for the hook, ALT6 is currently accepted, but there are some good ALTs too. (This tick is for clarity) Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:38, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
You can use "Schutzstaffel (SS)" as indicated by a tweaker of the very first suggested hook. - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:30, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Done. Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:57, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
For the record, the currently approved hooks are the tweaked original, ALT3, ALT4, and ALT6. (I've struck the rejected hooks.) OCNative (talk) 09:49, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Let's get this straight - this article isn't about Nazi talking dogs, its cited entirely to newspaper reports about a book which details "Nazi talking dogs". Have the article's editors actually read the book, or are they basing their work only on sensational newspaper claims, claims that even the book's author has complained about? Validating this article by placing it on the front page is silly, it should be based on the book, not newspaper reviews of said book. Parrot of Doom 13:52, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Palestine Railways H class

Palestine Railways H class

Created by Motacilla (talk). Self nom at 01:01, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Good point - sorry! I've now revised the wording (see above). Is this better?
I forgot to use the template that includes an image. The article has a photo; how can I add it to the nomination retrospectively? The photo will not be very clear when reduced to tDYK humbnail size but it should be recognisable as an old steam train at an old station. Also the sepia colour of the print would emphasise the sense of age. Motacilla (talk) 11:11, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Added the photo. Just see how I laid it down above. Bolded the topic in your modified/tweaked hook. - AnakngAraw (talk) 23:22, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Fruta Fresca

Created by Jaespinoza (talk) 00:59, 27 May 2011 (UTC). Self nom at 00:59, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed: Paul Kamara. Jaespinoza (talk) 06:54, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Date and length OK. Hook source says the song "bridged" tropical and pop music. Not exactly what the hook says, but close enough for me. If others see that as problematic, feel free to chime in. Cbl62 (talk) 01:50, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Digital: A Love Story

5x expanded by PresN (talk). Self nom at 23:20, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

ALT1... that the indie video game Digital: A Love Story is set "five minutes into the future of 1988"

Bill Yates (footballer)

Created by Argyle 4 Life (talk), AssociateAffiliate (talk), WFCforLife (talk). Self nom at 19:52, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

St Denys's Church, Sleaford

St Denys's Church, Sleaford circa 1872

5x expanded by ErrantX (talk). Self nom at 17:16, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Length, date and facts verified. Nice work, but some cleanup and additions would further enhance it—in particular, an infobox and a current pic of the whole building (although being in the market place, it's probably hard to photograph...). As it features in Simon Jenkins' book, perhaps add some material from there as well. I can do an infobox if you like. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 22:10, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
  • I'm waiting for a copy of Jenkin's book to come to the local library :) don't have a copy, I just know it is mentioned in there. Infobox - don't mind, architecture articles tend not to have them & my personal preference is against (there isn't much to go in in this case) but if you want to add one feel free :) --Errant 23:00, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Non-intervention in the Spanish Civil War

5x expanded by Grandiose (talk). Self nom at 15:36, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Length checks out, as does expansion & the hook is cited. The only comment I have is that it might be worth trying to make the hook show he was criticising. --Errant 17:32, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Would "might as well have been called" be justified? Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 17:34, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
I reckon so :) --Errant 00:15, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
That would be
We'll leave the approver/drafter as a second opinion. Personally, I think it's justified, given the obvious dig Ribbentrop was making. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 07:25, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Nadira Isayeva

  • ALT1... that the prosecution of Russian journalist Nadira Isayeva was built primarily on psychological and linguistic examinations?
Reviewed:Volkswagen Chattanooga Assembly Plant

Created by Khazar (talk). Self nom at 06:32, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Tweaked ALT1 just now, but I prefer the original hook in any case. Khazar (talk) 04:04, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Savage Love: Straight Answers from America's Most Popular Sex Columnist

Created by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 03:16, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Marine technology

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 02:14, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

  •  Comment: could you please review another editor DYK and add diff to your nomination? Otherwise the article is good to go. Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 01:25, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Skipping Towards Gomorrah

5x expanded by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 01:06, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Links check out; hook is the subtitle.--Wetman (talk) 01:56, 26 May 2011 (UTC)


Jones's wood

Created by Wetman (talk). Self nom at 01:56, 26 May 2011 (UTC)


Rose Bay Secondary College

  • ... that a number of highly gifted primary school (elementary school) aged students attend Rose Bay Secondary College for a day a week across a school term to undertake advanced studies in a number of areas?

5x expanded by Danjel (talk). Self nom at 13:55, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

  • With thanks to User:Kudpung for copyediting the final draft.
  • DYK Check seems to be inaccurately reporting the expansion (at least here). So, to make sure... The previous edit was: Prose size (text only): 1263 characters (204 words); the new version is: Prose size (text only): 8978 characters (1448 words). -danjel (talk to me) 13:55, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Reviewed Islanding ] and Charles Edward Keyser ]. -danjel (talk to me) 14:24, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

First Battle of Newbury

Articles created/expanded on May 27

Great Britain at the 1972 Summer Paralympics

Created by Doh5678 (talk), Basement12 (talk). Nominated by Basement12 (talk) at 00:23, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

HD 205739 b

5x expanded by Starstriker7 (talk). Self nom at 22:51, 29 May 2011 (UTC)


Philip Primrose

5x expanded by Connormah (talk). Self nom at 18:45, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Connell Fort Connormah (talk) 18:49, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Tambora language

Created by User:Kwamikagami (talk). Self nom at 10:11, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

I don't know why "Papuan language" was bold. Reworded to put the article in the hook. — kwami (talk) 19:32, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

WASP-13b

5x expanded by Starstriker7 (talk). Self nom at 02:24, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed: Argentina at the 1972 Summer Paralympics, South Africa at the 1972 Summer Paralympics, Australia at the 1972 Summer Paralympics --Starstriker7 02:34, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Comment: a core can't have non-existent mass. The claim is that there may be no core. — kwami (talk) 10:15, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
In which case the centre of the planet is a vacuum: was this really in a scientific publication of some repute? Kevin McE (talk) 12:14, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
No, they mean there is no differentiated rocky or metallic core, as we think there is in Jupiter. That is, just (liquified) gas all the way down, like a star, with no denser material at the center. Or not much of a core at the center. — kwami (talk) 19:34, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Robert Ramsay (cricketer), George Nash (cricketer)

Created by Harrias (talk). Self nom at 22:01, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Tadeusz Vetulani

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Francesco 13 (talk). Self nom at 10:08, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Modeste Mutinga.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:11, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Lola Sanchez

  • ... that Lola Sanchez was a spy during the American Civil War who provided information to the Confederate Army which led them to a victory over the Union Forces in the "Battle of Horse Landing"?

Created by Tony the Marine (talk) 01:51, 28 May 2011 (UTC). Self nom 28 May 2011

Phonon noise

Created by Teply (talk). Self nom at 01:32, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Source London

Created by DavidCane (talk). Self nom at 01:12, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed The Kid --DavidCane (talk) 01:21, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Argentina at the 1972 Summer Paralympics, South Africa at the 1972 Summer Paralympics, Australia at the 1972 Summer Paralympics

Created by Doh5678 (talk). Self nom at 00:57, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Argentina: Newness, length, and referencing check out. An article has been reviewed. My only note is that Argentina's portion of the hook, where it sent a delegation, is not directly cited anywhere in the article.
South Africa: Same issue as with Argentina.
Australia: Same issue as with both Argentina and South Africa. Once the beginning portion of each article, where it states that they did indeed send delegations, is directly cited, these three should be good to go. --Starstriker7 02:33, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
All three are covered by the source in the second sentence saying how many athletes were in the delegation (and for that matter any of the source in the articles which show results for athletes at the Games). Unless you're worried about the word delegation itsel;f in which case you'd be lucky to find a source and perhaps "team" or "athletes" would be a more appropriate choice - Basement12 (T.C) 12:48, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Corrected hook from "sent a team" to "sent teams", the three teams were separate - Basement12 (T.C) 22:02, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

African Owl

5x expanded by Miyagawa (talk). Self nom at 23:25, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

  • It isn't: a quick look revealed this from April 2004, which is a whole one character shorter!
And yet they are both completely worthy of a look. Great expansion, by the way. Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:44, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Mel Mazzera

5x expanded by Albacore (talk). Self nom at 21:22, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Good to go. Doh5678 Talk 01:00, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Hidase Dam

Created by NortyNort and (Simfan34). Nom at 21:09, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 00:40, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Argentina at the 1964 Summer Paralympics

Created by Doh5678 (talk). Self nom at 18:09, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Date, hook, length all check out. Please do fix ref #3 here, though--the "Rome1960" doesn't have text attached. Khazar (talk) 06:09, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

The Kid: What Happened After My Boyfriend and I Decided to Go Get Pregnant

Created by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 16:50, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Note: I reviewed Olaf Alfred Hoffstad. -- Cirt (talk) 16:52, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
No problems here. Impressive - looks almost ready for GAN --DavidCane (talk) 01:19, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Olaf Alfred Hoffstad

  • ... that Norwegian botanist and politician Olaf Alfred Hoffstad taught at Sandefjord Upper Secondary School for almost 43 years?
  • ALT1:... Norwegian botanist and politician Olaf Alfred Hoffstad served as Major of Sandefjord the longest time any person not born in the city ever had served?

Created by Eisfbnore (talk). Self nom at 15:52, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Damo and Ivor

Alt1... that Irish comedy duo Damo and Ivor are the same person?

Created by GainLine (talk). Self nom at 12:47, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I prefer the orginal, its nice and snappy and slightly mysterious but put up ALT1 in case the original is too short. GainLine ♠ ♥ 15:31, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
My 25th DYK all going well! : ) GainLine ♠ ♥ 12:59, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Reviewed Lysimachia asperulifolia
Good to go, I prefer the first hook as well. Congratulations on you soon-to-be 25th DYK! jonkerz♠ 17:19, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

George Tyler Wood

5x expanded by Allen3 (talk). Self nom at 09:44, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Redundant citation added for reviewer unable to understand how two contiguous sentences can be sourced to a single citation. --Allen3  17:53, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Please refrain from such personal attacks. I know perfectly well that multiple sentences, even a whole paragraph can be supported with one cite. However, the ref should also be cited immediatly after the hook sentence whilst the article is on the Main Page. You can of course remove it when the DYK is over. Cheers. --Eisfbnore  19:25, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Shouldn't it be Senator Wood rather than Governor Wood? He resigned as Senator to command the unit. He didn't become Governor until after his military service (granted immediately after, but still after). OCNative (talk) 13:51, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Agree with OCN: there was no Governor GT Wood before the Mexican-American war. Suggest ... that George Tyler Wood, later Governor of Texas, resigned his seat on the Texas Senate at the beginning of the Mexican-American War to command a military unit? Kevin McE (talk) 21:16, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
The problem with this change is that members of legislatures (i.e. one of many resigning) resigning during a time of war to join the military is a fairly common occurrence, and thus generates a rather mundane hook fact in comparison to the resignation of a chief executive. As reviewers appear unwilling to use initial hook then I would suggest ALT2: ... that the campaign of George Tyler Wood for Governor of Texas was aided by Isaac Van Zandt dying from yellow fever? --Allen3  21:37, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
We could still catch the spirit of the original hook (and spice it up a little), with this ALT:
ALT3:... that George Tyler Wood resigned from the Texas Senate at the beginning of the Mexican-American War to command a military unit but was elected Governor of Texas at the end of that same war? OCNative (talk) 09:02, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Please see User:Rjanag/DYK mantra for an explanation as to why run on suggestions like ALT3 make bad hooks. --Allen3  11:14, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Wildlife of Tanzania

Grey Crowned Crane national Bird of Tanzania Purple African Violet

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Rosiestep (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 08:39, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

ALT 1 hook seems poorly substantiated: the external source that it seems based on is the commercial site of a travel company, and its comment about where the Crowned Crane can be seen is "can be seen in the Ngorongoro Crater as well as other game viewing locations. " That is a long way short of claiming that it is "found in all game-viewing locations". Kevin McE (talk) 20:26, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Since the hook is referenced to a commercial site and is also overstated, I have removed this reference. I suggest the following alternative hook instead. I have added one more reliable reference in the article to support the reworded text also

MTV Unplugged: Los Tigres del Norte and Friends

Created by Jaespinoza (talk) 06:49, 27 May 2011 (UTC). Self nom at 06:48, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Paul Kamara

Reviewed:2011 Manhattan terrorism plot

Created by Khazar (talk). Self nom at 06:46, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Good to go. Jaespinoza (talk) 06:53, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Vivienne Osborne

Created by MichaelQSchmidt (talk). Self nom at 04:30, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Short by 467 characters of prose, according to DYKCheck. Meph 04:48, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Now at 1537. Thanks for the good eyes. Schmidt, 05:50, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
(edit conflict)Recheck the hook for close paraphrasing. Meph 06:11, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Article re-organized for flow and close paraphrasing addressed. Schmidt, 07:37, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Ready. Meph 08:18, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

From Dust

5x expanded by Mephistophelian (talk). Self nom at 02:33, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Nom reviewed #Vivienne Osborne, and helped create a better hook. Schmidt, 08:24, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
I'd like to improve the hook further, before it goes live. If anyone else has any additional feedback, I'd be grateful. Thank you. Meph 04:57, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Fair enough. As it waits to cycle, you'll have plenty of time. :) Schmidt, 05:02, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
I'd suggest cutting the "with Ubisoft as its publisher"--less interesting info that dilutes the punch of the rest. Very nice hook on the whole, though. Khazar (talk) 07:05, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Is the alt. version an improvement? Meph 08:38, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Suggested alt. First was 2005 visit, then was research, then was game. Schmidt, 19:05, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Let's go with ALT2. Meph 19:19, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
There were several trips; 1999 appears to be the inspirational one. Meph 06:41, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 28

Among the Truthers

Created by Qrsdogg (talk). Self nom at 23:46, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

The Lodger (opera)

Created by GuillaumeTell (talk). Self nom at 10:46, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Hm, looks as if I must have included the roles table in the count. I'll see if I can pad it out a bit more, though sources, whether on- or off-line are difficult to find. --GuillaumeTell 15:02, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

John Gilbert Cooper, Miravan

a painting of a man revulsed at the sight of a tomb broken open to reveal a skeleton

Created by Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 10:33, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Lengths, dates and hook refs all good. Not sure the image looks fantastic at that size but i'll leave it for the admin adding to the queue to decide if the hook goes forward with or without it - Basement12 (T.C) 00:17, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
I think Joseph Wright of Derby should be unpiped. I've seen his work many times in museums, and I've never seen his name without the "of Derby". Also, is "revulsed" a word? Maybe "Miravan being revulsed" should be replaced with "Miravan's revulsion". MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 01:03, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
As reviewer I can confirm than revulsed is indeed a word, but I can see the desire for a more common phrasing. I can also confirm that I know naff all about art so I'll duck out of the piping conversation - Basement12 (T.C) 01:28, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

MV Empire Darwin

Created by Mjroots (talk). Self nom at 09:39, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Heliopithecus

Created by Regstuff (talk). Self nom at 05:57, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

No. 1 Long Range Flight RAAF

5x expanded by Nick-D (talk). Self nom at 01:11, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Muhammad Al-Saqr

Created by Khazar (talk). Self nom at 00:07, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Connell Fort

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 23:39, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

ALT:=... that in 1933, John L. Fort, a son of Mayor Connell Fort of Minden, Louisiana, shot to death Brisco Nation, a city council member who had quarreled with the mayor?
Reviewed Troy Yocum

St Giles' Church, Ickenham

St Giles' Church

Created by Harrison49 (talk). Self nom at 22:26, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Refs, hook, length, newness ok. - AnakngAraw (talk) 13:25, 29 May 2011 (UTC)


Troy Yocum

Created by TParis (talk). Self nom at 21:27, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

I edited the article and changed the first name references to last names. Location of high school needed. There is not that much on him, he being only 31. The hook refers to a Guiness record, but what record? I think the article needs more work. Billy Hathorn (talk) 23:51, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

I've addressed the high school and Guinness record issues. Please use appropriate templates next time instead of adding comments into the prose of articles.--v/r - TP 00:20, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Billy Hathorn (talk) 14:20, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Armored Rat

A brown rodent with a long tail that appears to have spiky hair.

  • ... that the Armored Rat (pictured) has spines which grow up to 33 millimetres (1.3 in) in length?

5x expanded by Miyagawa (talk). Self nom at 20:58, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Great hook, btw. Khazar (talk) 05:13, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Ali Salem

Reviewed: Hamill (film)

Created by Khazar (talk). Self nom at 19:11, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Hamill (film)

Created by Erik (talk). Self nom at 15:33, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Length and date check out, and an interesting and well-reffed hook. I'll have to remember this one for my Netflix queue. Khazar (talk) 19:20, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Ilocos Sur's 1st legislative district special election, 2011

Created by Howard the Duck (talk). Self nom at 14:09, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Kafka's Soup

  • ... that recipes from the literary pastiche Kafka's Soup were used as audition pieces by a theatre company in the West country?

Created by User:Ka Faraq Gatri (talk). Self nom at 13:53, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Comment Could someone with a good knowledge of French just check the three French articles cited just to make sure I haven't misinterpreted them. I think it's OK but I'd like to be sure.
  • ALT1... that a live performance of the French translation of Kafka's Soup included a sung recipe for onion tart? Ka Faraq Gatri (talk) 14:23, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Hermanus van Wyk

A black-and-white photography from 1872. Four middle-aged men sit behind a small folding table in front of a cottage. A book is prominently placed in the middle of the table.

Created by Pgallert (talk). Self nom at 13:46, 28 May 2011 (UTC)


Leipzig University Library

Description of the image

Created by Leszek Jańczuk (talk). Nominated by Leszek Jańczuk (talk) at 11:23, 28 May 2011 (UTC)


List of common English usage misconceptions

  • ... that many sentences in "first-rate writing" begin with conjunctions such as "and" or "but"?

Created by Airborne84 (talk). Self nom at 19:38, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, this is my first try at a DYK nom. Perhaps these will work? Or perhaps the bolded wikilink should read: "common English usage misconception"?
Seems ok to me as previously mentioned above. The topic is now bolded in article. - AnakngAraw (talk) 23:05, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
I like the previous alts 1 and 2, so numbered the latest hook versions as 3 and 4 respectively. - AnakngAraw (talk) 23:09, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Omar Belhouchet

  • ... that in 1993, the car of Algerian journalist Omar Belhouchet was machine-gunned while he was driving his children to school?
Reviewed:Argentina at the 1964 Summer Paralympics

Created by Khazar (talk). Self nom at 06:02, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Modeste Mutinga

Reviewed: Luis Durango

Created by Khazar (talk). Self nom at 04:32, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Good to go.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:10, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Luis Durango

An African-American male wearing a black baseball helmet with a red jersey, displaying two eyes on the front. He is also holding two bats in his hand, one red and the another black.

2x expanded and sourced (BLP) by Giants27 (talk). Self nom at 03:49, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

I know this shouldn't be next in line, but I can't resist the baseball ones. Date, length, hook ref all good to go. Very nice expansion, and good hook. Kudos! Khazar (talk) 04:40, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

La Esmeralda Dam

Created/self-nom--NortyNort (Holla) 07:03, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

R v Baillie

Date, length good to go; well-referenced and researched piece from the look of it; offline hook source accepted IGF. Nice piece. Khazar (talk) 05:24, 29 May 2011 (UTC)


Qatar at the 2010 Asian Para Games

Created by Bill william compton (talk). Self nom at 04:58, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Whichever blurb is preferred, the the before Qatar is redundant: only ALT1, even after that, is grammatically sound, and then the preposition should be to rather than in. Article looks very much like a translation, or the output of a non-native English speaker: I've had a bit of a go at improving the English in it, but others might want a look.
Yes, I'm not a native English speaker, so sometimes make such grammatical errors, sorry for that; also this article was made in hurry, because I just have too much on my plate at the moment. Is there any other problem? — Bill william compton 13:08, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 29

Miguel González

A man dressed in red standing looking to the right.

Created by Diego Grez (talk). Self nom at 00:21, 30 May 2011 (UTC)


61st FIFA Congress

Created by Gareth E Kegg (talk). Self nom at 23:19, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Beauty (dog)

Created by Miyagawa (talk). Self nom at 21:51, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Juliusz Karol Kunitzer

  • ... that Polish-German "cotton king" Juliusz Karol Kunitzer died in the second assassination attempt on his life?

Created by Piotrus (talk), HerkusMonte (talk), MyMoloboaccount (talk). Self nom at 21:48, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed #16th (Parachute) Field Ambulance)

Dizzy Nutter

5x expanded by Albacore (talk). Self nom at 21:28, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

16th (Parachute) Field Ambulance


Self nom Jim Sweeney (talk) 18:56, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

reviewed Ballylough 29 May entry. Jim Sweeney (talk) 19:04, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
ALT: ... that on 20 November 1943 a wounded Airborne Forces Surgeon from the 16th (Parachute) Field Ambulance carried out over 150 operations?
Our readers assume that bolded items appearing in the DYK section might be re-worded for "catchiness" Jim Sweeney (talk) 23:32, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

William Thompson (journalist)

  • ... that newspaper editor Col. William Thompson won his 1871 shootout with a rival newspaper editor despite sustaining severe gunshot wounds, including a bullet lodged behind his eye, and a beating from a cane?

Created by Jorgenev (talk). Self nom at 18:52, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

The hook originally had "Col. William Thompson". This should be either "Col. William Thompson" or "Col. William Thompson". I've made it the former, but if you prefer the latter, go ahead and change it. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 04:17, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Finn Wischmann

  • ... that Norwegian botanist Finn Wischmann wrote more than 45,000 herbarium sheets and 21,000 checklists, recording more than half a million plant discoveries?

Created by Eisfbnore (talk). Self nom at 18:44, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Irlo Bronson, Sr.

Portrait of a smiling middle-aged man dressed in a suit and tie

Created by Connormah (talk). Self nom at 18:30, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

I assume he is notable for something other than being an (real) estate agent: should the blurb not indicate grounds for notability? Kevin McE (talk) 20:48, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Epsilon II Archaeological Site

5x expanded by Nyttend (talk). Self nom at 15:00, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Ballylough

5x expanded by Tibetan Prayer (talk). Self nom at 13:54, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

date and x 5 expansion ok Jim Sweeney (talk) 19:01, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Arvid Stålarm the Younger

Created by Skäpperöd (talk). Self nom at 13:53, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Merkantilt biografisk leksikon

Created by Eisfbnore (talk). Self nom at 12:28, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

The Commitment: Love, Sex, Marriage, and My Family

Created by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 08:37, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Note: I reviewed At the Pershing: But Not for Me. -- Cirt (talk) 08:40, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

At the Pershing: But Not for Me

5x expanded by Lexein (talk). Self nom at 08:33, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Women in Bahrain

A woman in Bahrain wearing traditional wedding dress

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 07:15, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Jewish response to The Forty Days of Musa Dagh

Created by Mbz1 (talk) and by Invertzoo (talk). Self nom at 06:10, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

This article is poorly written, and is stitched together in such a way as to overmphasize the book's impact ("it played a role in organizing the Jewish resistance to the Nazis." No, not really) as well as to decontextualize it by focusing on Jewish and only Jewish interest in the book. There is a reasonably well-organized section of the article on the book itself The Forty Days of Musa Dagh called "Resonance among Jews." This appears to be forked from that article and I suggest a redirect to that section. The "Jewish response" article also is confused in its focus. The "Impact in Eretz Yisrael" section, for instance, says one contingency plan drawn up by Jews against a possible German invasion of mandatory Palestine was called the "Musa Dagh" plan. But that's not a response to the book -- that's a "response" to the actual heroic Armenian action at the actual seige at Musa Dagh, the event that inspired the Austrian-Jewish author Franz Werfel to write The Forty Days of Musa Dagh in the first place.Westbankfainting (talk) 16:14, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
The user engages in the original research and trying to re-write the history.
It is also quite ridiculous to complain that the article named Jewish response to The Forty Days of Musa Dagh focusing on Jewish and only Jewish interest in the book. I would not mind if the user is to write an article for example about Anti-Semites response to The Forty Days of Musa Dagh, but the article I wrote is about Jewish response to The Forty Days of Musa Dagh, and it is well sourced by reliable, scholarly, academic sources.--Mbz1 (talk) 16:31, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
You misunderstand me. I have no doubt that a book written by an Austrian Jew in 1933 (during the rise of the third reich) about a heroic seige endured by an outnumbered and outgunned people facing genocide made an impression on a jewish audience. It was an inspirational tale with relevance for its time. What underpinned it as a useful metaphor was the reality of events at Musa Dagh. It was both the book, and the thing in itself. Furthermore, there were many other metaphors of resistance popular in the Jewish ghettos of Nazi occupied Europe. To write a separate, stitched together article on "Jewish reactions" to the book seriously overstates its importance both for Jewish resistance under Nazi rule (which you'll notice makes no mention of the book or the actual events at Musa Dagh, reflecting the fact that the book is a footnote in the tale of Jewish resistance) and for 20th Century Zionism, which takes most of its metaphors of resistance and truimph from the Bible and Jewish history, rather than Armenian history. The real point here is that a discussion of the book and its impact is best placed in the context of the article on The Forty Days of Musa Dagh. It's an interesting bit of cultural history. But doing it this way is seriously misleading to the reader (basically because it's way out of proportion; had the book never been written, Jewish resistance such as it was would have been the same). By the way, I got involved here becaus I fixed an article now called 1983 West Bank fainting epidemic (it was a mess) and you're not involved with that article at all. I'm now keeping an eye on this page as a result.Westbankfainting (talk) 17:23, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
FWIW, potential reviewers should be aware that the above user was just blocked for WP:HOUNDing Mbz, so this nomination is still in need of review. I worked on this article a bit just now, so it probably shouldn't be me. Khazar (talk) 04:11, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
For clarity's sake I have struck (but not removed) the comments from the blocked user. OCNative (talk) 04:22, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Dandeniya Gamage Jayanthi

Reviewed R v Baillie.

Created by Khazar (talk). Self nom at 05:18, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Gerhard Schönbacher

Created by EdgeNavidad (talk). Self nom at 10:16, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Date and length check out, but from the article it is not clear that Schönbacher finished last on purpose in 1979. The article only says that Philippe Tesnière rode slow on purpose, and that only after his drop-out Schönbacher finished last. The one statement that could be construed as Schönbacher being slow on purpose is that he stopped and kissed the road just before the finish line of the final stage - but that would be too much a stretch, since by then he already held the last position, and nothing would have changed if he had not kissed the road. Skäpperöd (talk) 13:43, 29 May 2011 (UTC)


Peter Aucoin

Created by GorillaWarfare (talk). Self nom at 22:10, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 30

It Gets Better: Coming Out, Overcoming Bullying, and Creating a Life Worth Living

Created by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 05:07, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

David Lucas (composer)

Created by Elonka (talk). Self nom at 03:50, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Yellow-crowned Bishop

Black bird with yellow head and back perched on a stem

5x expanded by BarkingMoon (talk · contribs) and Casliber (talk · contribs). Self nom at 02:32, 30 May 2011 (UTC)


Special occasion holding area

Do not nominate new articles for a special time in this section. Instead, please nominate them in the candidate entries section above under the date the article was created or the expansion began, and indicate your request for a specially-timed appearance on the Main Page.
Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated within five days of creation or expansion as usual. Also, articles should be nominated at least five days before the occasion to give reviewers time to check the nomination, but no more than six weeks before the occasion. April Fools' Day is an exception to these requirements - see Misplaced Pages:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know.

June 2 (Feast of the Ascension)

Ascension of Jesus in Christian art

Ascension by Dosso Dossi

Created by History2007 (talk). Self nom at 21:50, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

the hook, date, length, references all check out so I'll pass this for DYK. Now, as for some feedback on the article, you don't "usually" need sources for the info in the lead. The idea is that the info in the lead should be an overview of information in the article. Also consolidate some of your sources when you get a chance, I see some repeats in there (see citation pages on Wiki for the html templates). But theses are all suggestions for GA status or B-class rating. I also moved you up to a C-class rating for you because it is a good article and well written. look forward to seeing it on the front page, Cheers! Kayz911 (talk) 05:34, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Auf Christi Himmelfahrt allein, BWV 128

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 08:19, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

June 5

Marga T, Badai Pasti Berlalu (novel), Badai Pasti Berlalu (film), Badai Pasti Berlalu (album), Badai Pasti Berlalu (song)

Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Self-nominated at 02:21, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Also, if possible could we have it for June 5th (when the novel started its original run as a serial in Kompas)? Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:28, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
Length, date and sources verified. Good to go.mauchoeagle (c) 00:01, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
How about the date? Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:40, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
I would suggest you not do that, putting hooks on a special day is reserved only for special occasions. `mauchoeagle (c)
Alright. Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:11, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
The definition of "special occasion" is generally construed broadly for DYK, so as long as its within six weeks, it's fine, so I've moved this to the special occasion holding area. It's too bad there isn't a Badai Pasti Berlalu play, as with five articles in a single hook, you can make the DYK Hall of Fame. OCNative (talk) 12:25, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
I 5x'd Marga T. Could I add it to the hook? Not sure how though, since both the kinds of expansion and dates are different. Also needs to be reviewed... Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:15, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
Reviewed Hermann Kasack, Die Stadt hinter dem Strom (diff). Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:30, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
I've made the appropriate changes to this nom to add Marga T. Someone else will need to review the article, as I've got to run right now. OCNative (talk) 14:34, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
I swear they don't make user pages big enough for the number of barnstars you deserve OC. Thanks. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:38, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the kind words. I've removed the stub message from the article and fixed the birth date formatting. Date, expansion, and hook check out. However, in the article, the list of selected works is uncited, as is the paragraph that begins, "During the late 1970s and throughout the 1980s and 1990s..." OCNative (talk) 01:36, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
I fixed that. Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:38, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
Offline and foreign language refs accepted in good faith in Marga T. Date, length, and hook check out. Since MauchoEagle signed off on the other four articles, this is ready to go for DYK. OCNative (talk) 02:56, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
Oh shoot, I hadn't even realized that Marga T was apart of the hook. I thought it was only those four article. Thanks for reviewing Marga T, OCNaative. mauchoeagle (c) 23:04, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
No, no, you were fine, MauchoEagle. Marga T wasn't part of the hook until after I made my off-hand comment about the Hall of Fame on 18 May, at which point Crisco 1492 expanded Marga T to get this hook to qualify for the Hall of Fame. OCNative (talk) 02:58, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, MauchoEagle. At that point I had not bothered expanding Marga T 5x, but the second I read "Hall of Fame"... Well, let's just say I don't mind the spotlight. Thanks for reviewing those 4, btw. Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:18, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Highly unusual case where there are four/five subjects in one hook (BTW, I see a near 5-fold expansion of Marga T from 80 to 391 words). I think the hook is overburdened and filled with several potentially misleading pipes. However, if Marga T isn't meant to be part of the hook, its should be reordered to the back, and unbolded. Personally, I would turn the focus on the book and use a hook thus:
    ALT1... that Badai Pasti Berlalu, a novel by Indonesian author Marga T novel, spawned a critically acclaimed film, album, and song, all of the same name?
--Ohconfucius 02:30, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
5x means the number of characters, not the number of words. The DYK tool says that it is good to go. As for the hooks, what is misleading? Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:22, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
And yes, Marga T as a 5x expansion is meant to be in the hook. We could theoretically do this:

ALT2 ... that Marga T's novel Badai Pasti Berlalu spawned a critically acclaimed film, album, and song, all with the same name?

but I don't see much of a need for it. Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:25, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
The original hook is fine. DYK has a long tradition of multi-article hooks. This expansion took the Marga T article from 455 characters to 2376 characters, which is a 5.22x expansion. ALT1 is grammatically incorrect. Finally, I don't see how the hook is even remotely misleading. OCNative (talk) 08:22, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
  • There is an equally long if not longer tradition of being tolerant and respectful to proposals by others, and not striking suggested ALTs just because "there's nothing wrong with the original hook". --Ohconfucius 12:10, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
  • This wins a 1 at the bottom of the DYK Lame Index. And to be legalistic, it badly fails the requirement in Criterion 1 that a hook be interesting to a wide audience. This one is a textbook case of the utterly commonplace: is there something suprising or unusual about a novel that spawns a "critically acclaimed" film and a song? Such vertical marketing is just a market reality nowadays, so unless Crisco has something to add to the hook that does make it vaguely special, this one should go the way of the "Look at the sky and you see stars" kind of hook. Bin it.

    Ohconfucius's ALT is little better, I'm afraid. I have no problem with the multi-article referents. I care only about interesting the readers. Tony (talk) 12:24, 22 May 2011 (UTC) PS If you could make something out of "first Indonesian ..." or better, "first novel from South East Asia to ...", that would be in the right direction. Tony (talk) 12:29, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

  • I understand your concern, Tony; needless to say, the context will be lost on most readers (For those who care, this was quite unheard of for an Indonesian novel at the time. As noted in Badai Pasti Berlalu (album), one of the main singers didn't expect the album to be a success; Indonesian soundtrack albums were a novelty at the time. Sadly, most of the surprising stuff is lost because of the different context we live in. Most of our readers would not consider 25,000 copies sold to be a success, but in 1970s Indonesia that was considered astounding; even today, selling 140,000 copies gets a book called "mega best seller" because of how unusual it is. However, nuking a hook because an editor considers it standard is not good form. If that were policy, many of these would never have made it. I have heard Badai Pasti Berlalu compared to a Harlequin novel, but no sources for that. Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:46, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Can you add just another phrase that might convey this, then. As a reader, I want to be interested in it. At the moment, it falls flat and I won't ever visit the linked articles. I believe every hook should "compete" for readers' attention, without at all being spin-like or exaggerated. It could be a matter of finding the right combination of factors that really does make it stand out. "... in the 1970s considered ...". I do wish slightly longer hooks were permitted where more information is necessary to capture readers' attention. There could still be a general expectation of the current limit, with special cases made occasionally. Tony (talk) 13:55, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
I think there is an exception for multiple-article hooks, but I forget which one that is. How about:
ALT3 "... that Marga T's novel, Badai Pasti Berlalu, sold roughly 24,000 copies (a "fantastic" number for an Indonesian novel at the time) and spawned a critically acclaimed film, album, and song?"
Is that any better? May be pushing the 200 char limit though. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:03, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
To me, the interest factor is now much greater, up from 1 to 7 on my pompous Lame Index (6 is a pass, I think). I don't like "fantastic", and I presume it's not a quote from a source ... even if it were, I'd be inclined to make it a less POV-like remarkable. The link displays allow you to get away without a few commas, I think. You were on 187 ch; what about this, at 173 ch:

ALT4 "... that Marga T's novel Badai Pasti Berlalu sold roughly 24,000 copies, remarkable for an Indonesian novel in the 1970s, and spawned a critically acclaimed film, album and song?" and if dashes are allowed in such short columns on the main page ... I'm unsure whether they are, this would be slightly easier:

ALT5 "... that Marga T's novel Badai Pasti Berlalu sold roughly 24,000 copies—remarkable for an Indonesian novel in the 1970s—and spawned a critically acclaimed film, album and song?" Tony (talk) 16:42, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

The source says fantastik, which is why I mentioned on your talk page that fantastic is spelled with a k in Indonesian. Of your two ALTs, I prefer ALT5... I have seen dashes on the main page before. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:12, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
I know, but "fantastik" could look like a typo, and in this ultra-short context could give the wrong impression. Other than that, it looks ready to me, if no one else has issues. Tony (talk) 13:07, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Which is why I translated it to "fantastic"... but anyways, I'm down with ALT5. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:28, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
I hadn't realized this discussion was still raging over here, too. It actually seems very rare for me for an acclaimed novel to spawn an acclaimed song; Tony slammed this on the other page by saying there were thousands of examples of this, but I literally cannot think of one. (The For Whom the Bell Tolls cha-cha? "Moby Dick: The Musical"?) ALT5 looks fine to me, but FWIW, I also agree with the editors who approved the original that it's fine as well. Khazar (talk) 22:02, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Tunbridge Wells Cricket Week

Created by The C of E (talk). Self nom at 08:52, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Can do, I'm also going to move it the holding area to coincide with the end of this years festival. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 20:39, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

June 6 (Queensland Day)

Anzac Avenue

Reviewed: Amie mac Ruari ()

5x expanded by Lankiveil (talk). Self nom at 01:45, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Queensland "was named in honour of Queen Victoria, who on 6 June 1859 signed Letters Patent separating the colony from New South Wales." (Copied from Queensland#Etymology.) So 6 June 2011, which is only a few weeks ahead, may be a good day to put a photo of this street in Queensland on MainPage. --PFHLai (talk) 18:27, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
I hadn't thought of doing it as a Queensland Day one, but I quite like the idea, and have no objections at all! 110.174.224.43 (talk) 08:40, 3 May 2011 (UTC).
Please be encouraged to get a good photo to go with the hook. You still have 4 weeks. Lots of time. :-) --PFHLai (talk) 14:08, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
Interest factor (Criterion 1) is rather low: is there a longer one in another Australian state? If not, can you widen the claim to "in Australia", or even "in Australasia"? Tony (talk) 12:31, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Unfortunately, the claim cannot be widened: Great Ocean Road is the longest war memorial road in the world, it's a World War I memorial, and it's in the Australian state of Victoria. OCNative (talk) 05:11, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
  • I'm afraid it's pretty flat (2 out 10 on the Lame Index). And the article is not the most fascinating. What about this, at 199 characters?
  • ALT1
It assumes the reader understands the concept of "World War I memorial road". Is it a regional thing? I note that Anzac Avenue has "Roads Intersected", "Early History"and "Recent History" which should be sentence case. "businessnam" should be 'businessman'. "Fundraising proceeded steadily, with a large billboard being erected on Queen Street in Brisbane, featuring a car that moved forward a step for every £1000 raised" tells me about a cute billboard but I wonder if there's a hidden meaning that I can't see. Lightmouse (talk) 18:12, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Lightmouse, I'd never heard of a World War I memorial road before seeing this hook, but it seemed pretty self-evident to me that it's a road that serves as a memorial to World War I soldiers. Just now, I took the 30 seconds to fix the typo and capitalization issues you found but for whatever reason chose not to fix yourself. Reading the source, there's no hidden meaning on the billboard, it is exactly what it says.
I like Tony's ALT hook, but how about this one to tighten it up:
ALT2:... that a committee in the 1920s raised the funds to turn a collection of tracks into Anzac Avenue, the longest World War I memorial road in Queensland? OCNative (talk) 00:50, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
You're right, my wording was a bit loose. Also, I was too lazy to properly read through the article to determine whether parts of the route were already well-advanced beyond tracks. Maybe I'm being too fussy about that. (if not, "raised the funds to turn what had been a ..."). You might consider "series of tracks" rather than "collection of tracks". Otherwise, looks good. Tony (talk) 13:03, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
I understand what World War I memorial road means. But it's as bizarre a concept to me as the "world's brightest Iraq War memorial street lamp". It's not a big deal, I'm just thinking out loud.
I fix thousands of typos and capitalization issues myself. In review pages (like FA, GA, and this one) it's sometimes worth talking openly about basic issues. It's not just you and me, onlookers need to know. Each problem mention at review may result in 100 articles being fixed outside review. I've done an update to the article that includes fixing sentence case and spelling. I've no objection to it proceeding. Lightmouse (talk) 19:48, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, I don't recall what was causing my grumpiness just then. What I very poorly conveyed is I'd fix small things rather than hold up the nomination. What you did with this comment and what I did with this comment is more the model I recommend (correcting non-time-consuming problems and then noting the correction in the nomination). Obviously, the more time-intensive corrections (such as those various conversion issues) you've described on various other nominations should be the responsibility of the nominator to fix. OCNative (talk) 12:32, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. This is my first encounter with DYK candidates and it's a steep learning curve. As you've seen, I've changed from the review-only model and now use the review+fix model you suggest. Lightmouse (talk) 09:38, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

June 12 (Pentecost)

Ipomopsis sancti-spiritus

Created by IceCreamAntisocial (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 02:48, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Shall we wait for Pentecost? Probably a little too far ahead in future.... --PFHLai (talk) 17:29, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
Good idea. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 11:20, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
This doesn't work for me. Readers shouldn't have to click on a link to see the interest. What the hell is it, and how does it relate to the end of the sentence? Tony (talk) 17:07, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
I think the idea of DYK is to encourage us to look at the articles. When I did, I noticed the following areas in need of improvement:
  • Sangre de Cristo Mountains: the unit 'meter' is correctly shown as 'm' in tables and parentheses. But 'feet' is written in full when it should be abbreviated.
  • New Mexico: "density of 16 per square mile", "temperature lows in the 20's and into the teens", "1.9 fatalities per million miles", "2,354 route miles", "1000 were the route miles" need conversions. "The 10 Most Populous New Mexico Cities and Towns" needs to be sentence case. "Land Area sq. miles" needs to be sentence case and needs conversions. "tax rate of about 30 mills" and "average millage was about 26.47", I wasn't aware that articles went into such esoteric detail on taxes but if terms like that are essential, they probably need clarification within the text.
I don't know the procedure here but if my comments are off-topic for this page, feel free to ignore them or tell me to take a hike. Lightmouse (talk) 17:49, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Lightmouse, your comments are way on-topic. We don't attend enough to the state of the associated articles, which receive huge exposure and need to shine, even in their early stages. Tony (talk)
There's no good reason to deny or force a rewrite of this nomination exclusively due to failings in other articles. Many nominators (including myself) are not up to improving articles that are only tangentially related to the topics that we know. Nyttend (talk) 15:16, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

July 1 (Canada Day)

Declaration of war by Canada

Created by OCNative (talk). Self nom at 11:49, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Moving it to Canada Day's section. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:10, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
This is your ideal DYK. Punchy, short, arresting. Tony (talk) 16:58, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, Tony! OCNative (talk) 00:22, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Hockey: Canada's Royal Winter Game

Created by Maxim (talk). Self nom at 21:03, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Yay, hockey! Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:09, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Wikisource now has the complete copy. Possibly a link to it embedded in the text of the hook, from the anchor "book", or isn't that allowed? The focus of interest barely passes, IMO. What might inject impact into the hook could come from knowing how little was written about any sport in the terms taken by the book. That would require 15 mins of searching on your part. I'd love something like "... hockey]] and one of the most detailed of its day on any sport?" But only if it's true.  :-) Tony (talk) 13:14, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
  • It's difficult to judge with regards to a comparison, because only four copies of the book are known to exist. Would something like "... was the first book on ice hockey, but only four copies are known to exist?" work? I think external links are frowned upon in DYK, but maybe Wikisource could be an exception? This would be best answered by someone with more DYK experience. Maxim(talk) 16:58, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
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