| Revision as of 20:56, 30 May 2011 editNightscream (talk | contribs)Extended confirmed users, Pending changes reviewers169,337 edits →Jamie Chung: ce← Previous edit | Revision as of 21:34, 30 May 2011 edit undoNightscream (talk | contribs)Extended confirmed users, Pending changes reviewers169,337 edits →Jamie Chung: ceNext edit → | ||
| Line 47: | Line 47: | ||
| :I'm sorry, but I honestly do not understand your last message, and on several accounts. | :I'm sorry, but I honestly do not understand your last message, and on several accounts. | ||
| :, '''"If this is true, we may very well challenge the thousands of Misplaced Pages articles that only state the subject's place of birth."''' Again, the only reason articles mention where the subject was born but don't mention |
:, '''"If this is true, we may very well challenge the thousands of Misplaced Pages articles that only state the subject's place of birth."''' Again, the only reason articles mention where the subject was born but don't mention cities where they grew up may be because in the editors who tend to work on those articles have not come across sources that mention this. The city of one's birth tends to be a commonly given bit of information in various biographical sources on the subjects, but cities where they lived, whether the same as the city of birth or not, is not. How you can "challenge" articles for not having info if ''no one knows sources that indicate'' that info? I'm sorry, but the idea of "challenging" an article for not having information that editors are ignorant of makes no sense. But where such information ''is'' available in sources, it ''is'' reasonable to include it, as with the examples I gave above. Others include ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], and ], and a long list of more in ]. What should we do with the articles on people who were born on military bases but who grew up elsewhere, like ]? Not mention the city where they grew up, even when it's sourced? Why? | ||
| :You say, '''"No one is really raised where they were born, simply due to the lack of sources."''' Again, I don't understand this statement. What do you mean no one is raised where they were born? Of course people are. Not every is raised in the same city they were born in (I myself am an example of this), but many people are, and Jamie Chung is one of them, and in her case, there ''is'' a source for this. I'm sure I must've misunderstood what you meant by this. Can you clarify? | :You say, '''"No one is really raised where they were born, simply due to the lack of sources."''' Again, I don't understand this statement. What do you mean no one is raised where they were born? Of course people are. Not every is raised in the same city they were born in (I myself am an example of this), but many people are, and Jamie Chung is one of them, and in her case, there ''is'' a source for this. I'm sure I must've misunderstood what you meant by this. Can you clarify? | ||
Revision as of 21:34, 30 May 2011
Welcome!
Hello Estheroliver, welcome to Misplaced Pages! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Our intro page contains a lot of helpful material for new users—please check it out! If you need help, visit Misplaced Pages:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on this page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions.
Endofskull (talk) 19:40, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
Talk page redaction
I've responded to the question you posted at my talk page. Thanks! jæs (talk) 21:41, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Chinese language talk page
Firstly, welcome to Misplaced Pages. I don't post very often now, but, your haste has triggered my caution button, lol.
In the Talk:Chinese_language page you mentioned removing something if no evidence with one week was given. Would there be anyone who will edit the article within that time? Rather than removing it, place a citation needed on it, see:Citation_needed. Removing stuff may lead to it being reverted and you having a vandalism warning placed on your userpage, so the citation method is the best way to ask for evidence (or cast doubt on the statement) in the article as many won't bother reading the talk page, sadly. Dylanwhs (talk) 16:41, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Talkback
Message added 20:04, 29 December 2010 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.
Talkback
Message added 05:48, 18 February 2011 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.
Talkback
Message added 15:08, 18 February 2011 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.
Re:
Where did I claim something was vanadalism? The divorce isn't finalized, so she is still legally Ashlee Nicole Wentz. ℥ 22:26, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
Portman
My apologies. I didn't see that. I won't resort to a personal attack as you did, however. Have a good day. Cresix (talk) 01:14, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
Removing overlink
hi!. What's the meaning of this word?--Nhero2006 (talk) 08:08, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
Thank you very much.--Nhero2006 (talk) 08:17, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Brothers and sisters
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.
Tvoz/talk 08:23, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
Jamie Chung
Does it occur to you that the reason articles may not note where a person grew up is because that information is not readily available in sources, compared to information on where they were born?
Where a person lived or grew up is indeed valid for inclusion, so long as it's sourced. Removing it, therefore, is not supported by any governing policy, guideline or convention of writing. Observing this is merely reasonable, and hardly doesn't really require personal feelings on my part, I assure you. See Natalie Portman, Jeri Ryan, Arthur Adams, and countless other articles.
If you disagree, let me know, and we'll have a consensus discussion on the article's talk page. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 20:16, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, but I honestly do not understand your last message, and on several accounts.
- You say, "If this is true, we may very well challenge the thousands of Misplaced Pages articles that only state the subject's place of birth." Again, the only reason articles mention where the subject was born but don't mention cities where they grew up may be because in the editors who tend to work on those articles have not come across sources that mention this. The city of one's birth tends to be a commonly given bit of information in various biographical sources on the subjects, but cities where they lived, whether the same as the city of birth or not, is not. How you can "challenge" articles for not having info if no one knows sources that indicate that info? I'm sorry, but the idea of "challenging" an article for not having information that editors are ignorant of makes no sense. But where such information is available in sources, it is reasonable to include it, as with the examples I gave above. Others include Adolf Hitler, Jessica Alba, Ray Allen, Priscilla Presley, Gore Vidal, Christina Aguilera, Alan Keyes, Douglas MacArthur, and Michelle Bachelet, and a long list of more in this article. What should we do with the articles on people who were born on military bases but who grew up elsewhere, like Peter Sarsgaard? Not mention the city where they grew up, even when it's sourced? Why?
- You say, "No one is really raised where they were born, simply due to the lack of sources." Again, I don't understand this statement. What do you mean no one is raised where they were born? Of course people are. Not every is raised in the same city they were born in (I myself am an example of this), but many people are, and Jamie Chung is one of them, and in her case, there is a source for this. I'm sure I must've misunderstood what you meant by this. Can you clarify?
- You say, "Yes, it may be true she is not as famous as the other women I used as examples, but if she really has been on TV, I would think she would mention where she grew up and memories from that time period and such." I really don't see how her level of fame is a relevant issue, but the last part of this statement is a non sequitur. If she's been on TV, she would've mentioned where she grew up? How do you figure this? Yeah, she might have mentioned it, or she might not have. What does being on TV have to do with it? The point is, MTV usually mentions the hometown of each cast member of The Real World on its website, and that is certainly the case with Jamie, as seen in the cited source. Did you read that source? It wasn't cited at the end of the sentence that mentioned her birth and city of her youth, but it was cited at the end of the next one. I've since added it to the first sentence as well. The sources state she was both born and raised in SF, so I'm still not clear one what your rationale is for removing the fact that she grew there. In addition, it's highly likely that she did mention in the season premiere of The Real World: San Diego, because this S.O.P. when cast members are introduced in the season premiere (or later during the season, as with mid-season cast replacements). I don't recall if I ever saw the premiere of the San Diego season, but it's the case with every other season premiere I've seen. The seasons currently available for viewing at MTV.com including the Cancun, Washington, DC, New Orleans (2010) and Las Vegas (2011) seasons. Watch the opening portions of those season premieres if you don't believe me. So it's likely that she did mention it. In any event, why is its mention in her bio at MTV.com not sufficient?
- You say, "I think Chung is really born and raised in SF." And yet, you're the one trying to remove the "raised" part. Why are you telling me you think she was raised there when you're the one objecting to mentioning it? Isn't this my argument?
- I'm sorry we're in conflict over this, but no, I didn't detect any "attitude" from you at all. I just hope we can communicate so that we can understand each other's point of view, because right now, I'm just perplexed by your stated rationale for this. Nightscream (talk) 20:55, 30 May 2011 (UTC)