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If you're here to ask why I removed/reverted one of your edits or left a warning message on your talk page, may I first suggest reading Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines (because the answer can most likely be found there). Many of the messages I leave are for the following reasons:

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CSD declined - Astro Empires

Just to let you know that I have declined the speedy deletion of ], as notability has been asserted in the awards section. If you believe it should still be deleted, I would recommend using AFD. Stephen! 10:32, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, it's a terrible source, found to be specifically unreliable by WikiProject Video games. Thanks for the head's up, though, I'll send it through AfD. Cheers! Wyatt Riot (talk) 14:58, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Astro Empires

Hi. Please do not remove the reviews and interviews on the Astro Empires article, so others can decide for themselves if they are reliable or not. As this article is being considered for deletion it deserves all the arguments, don't you agree? --82.154.193.22 (talk) 04:32, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Arguments for or against deletion are best made on the discussion page for that AfD, so I would bring up the (potential) sources there. As far as the quality of the reviews go, they don't meet WP:SOURCES, which is why I removed them. If you would like them to be included, the burden of proof would be on the editor who adds or restores material (i.e., you), so again I would suggest bringing them up at the AfD page. I hope this helps. Cheers! Wyatt Riot (talk) 05:12, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi Wyatt. Unfortunately you also removed the link to an interview with the creator of the game on one of the top-selling newspapers in Portugal (Correio da Manhã), which is clearly relevant. Might want to restore that reference as it can prove important for this article, the others can be added to the discussion as you suggested. I'm an editor on the Portuguese Misplaced Pages and Astro Empires has an article there, I believe this game should have one on the English Misplaced Pages as well, since it's played mainly by Americans, Canadians and British. P.S: Sorry for not using an account here, but the username I have on the PT Misplaced Pages is already being used here, so I need to have it changed first. --85.240.43.160 (talk) 15:31, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

It's a trivial fluff piece and, "top-selling newspaper" or not, doesn't even appear to list the author. Plus, the article is more about the gamemaker than the game itself. What it does mention about the game is a 3-year old player count (active players or simple signup count? we don't know because the article lacks depth) and conjecture about the age of its players, which is odd because the character-creation page doesn't seem to ask that question. This appears to be exactly the type of journalism that we don't want in our articles. Feel free to bring it up on the AfD discussion or the article's Talk page if you still feel that it's an important source. Wyatt Riot (talk) 15:55, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Trivial or not it's proof that this game is notorious, at least for the Portuguese media (besides 2 interviews the review from the MyGames website is also relevant, thus why there is an article on the Portuguese Misplaced Pages for this game). You may argue if the interview in question is enough to keep the article from being deleted, but it's relevant enough to show on the references of the article, at least that's my opinion and nothing on the WP:SOURCES seems to say otherwise. However I'll do as you suggested and bring it up on the AfD discussion. Cheers. --85.240.43.160 (talk) 16:39, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Reverted on list of F2P games

Why was Bloodline Champions entry deleted by you with the comment "not an MMO" when there are numerous non-MMO games on the list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.248.57.114 (talk) 01:12, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

If you feel that other links should not be included there, feel free to bring it up on the article's talk page or remove them yourself. Or let me know which shouldn't be there and I'll look into it. Cheers! Wyatt Riot (talk) 01:43, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Not really interested in maintaining the page and even less about wikipedia politics; just wanted to add a game which is aligned with other games on the page.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.248.57.114 (talk • contribs) 04:29, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

But it's not "aligned with other games on the page". The article is about free massively multiplayer online games, which Bloodline Champions is not, so it doesn't belong at all. If you feel that other games listed in the article don't belong there, please point them out. Alternatively, if you feel that the article title is misleading, feel free to bring it up at Talk:List of free massively multiplayer online games.

Also, please remember to sign your edits on talk pages using 4 tildes (~~~~). Cheers! Wyatt Riot (talk) 15:23, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

about my edit on travian

the link i put was relevent to the article it mentioned that you could not use mobile phones to play anymore and i was telling the readers that you can log in and how to do it the link i placed on the page was an exaple of how to log into the new travian version 4 that is replacing all serves as it rolls out and is the link needed to log into travian.com server 9 if that is not directly relevent im a monkeys uncle and you are a scolar

and i wont bother trying to update or correct any of the information on the most unreliable source of information since BINGSuperconcepts (talk) 07:00, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia. We're not here to assist users with bypassing software restrictions/limitations or running games on platforms which aren't supported. It's just not what we do. Wyatt Riot (talk) 07:14, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Ashes of Athas on Living campaigns and Dark Sun articles

Hi, you removed my mention of the Ashes of Athas campaign on the above articles based on notoriety and possible bias. It has now been two months since the Ashes of Athas campaign premiered at a convention. It was received well, written up on a multitude of prominent gaming blogs, mentioned on an official Wizards of the Coast podcast, is about to feature at four more conventions in the next two months, and will have new offerings at the three largest gaming conventions in the US this year. It seems pretty relevant for those pages to have the content. I reviewed the notoriety page but it is difficult to assess the language within the context of gaming (itself a relatively small genre). As a Dark Sun and living campaign fan, I find it really strange to not mention a Dark Sun living campaign. I am one of the admins, so I can understand the worry about bias, but it really isn't my reasoning here. I'm seeking help on understanding at what point a living campaign bears mention. Thanks! --Alphastream (talk) 06:28, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

If it meets our notability requirements, then it warrants an article. At that point, you would be justified in placing internal links to the article in Living campaigns and Dark Sun, among other places. An external link to the Ashes of Athas website would only be appropriate in that single article. As far as being notable in such a niche, I'd suggest starting at the WikiProject Dungeons & Dragons guide to references to see if any sources mention it. (You can rule out the book section since it's so new, but the Wired search near the top of that page may turn up some sources. Just make sure they also meet WP:Sources, as sometimes the search engines find blog and forum posts on otherwise reliable sites, and we can't base content on amateur sources like those.) You can also ask for help at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Dungeons & Dragons, I'm sure you'll find some knowledgeable people there. (Personally, I've been both a Wikipedian and an avid D&D player for years now, but I'm not a member of WikiProject D&D so I'm not sure about their project-specific policies.) And as for writing the article itself, they have a style guide to assist with that. I hope this helps! Wyatt Riot (talk) 15:42, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

RE: Enough Already

But look, I've never deleted things that are referenced, I have only things with references completely valids, and I do not understand why these are reverted. --Asdfmovie (talk) 19:22, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Regardless, edit warring is not the answer. Discuss the changes on the appropriate article Talk pages, ask for a second opinion, or even check one of our various noticeboards for more options. I hope this helps! Wyatt Riot (talk) 21:28, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Re: Your edits to List of multiplayer browser games

Hey thanks for the tips about Misplaced Pages content. I'll be sure to delete stuff right away that doesn't fit the standards. You sure know how to make somebody feel welcome. Qchristensen (talk) 05:14, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

With 270 edits since 2005, you've been here long enough to know our policies and guidelines, and that we're not an indiscriminate collection of junk. Wyatt Riot (talk) 05:26, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Hey, noticed that you removed my addition to the list too. Me and the board have gathered together and decided to readd it though. Love, Monkey alan Industries. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.17.139.3 (talk) 17:55, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Just because you decide it's spam, doesn't mean it is. There are no medals involved for making peoples life a trial. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.13.228.64 (talk) 09:14, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

I didn't decide it's spam. The consensus on the article's Talk page and our policies on external links and advertisement in articles decided that it doesn't belong there. If the game meets the notability requirements for web content, write the article first and then we can include an internal link to the new article. Wyatt Riot (talk) 11:49, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages's Article Deletion Trigger-Happiness

It's a disease.

Thoughts? Please help stop the insanity. -Object404 (talk) 14:21, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

1. "Google search results on amount of users frustrated with Misplaced Pages editors' article deletion trigger-happiness".
2. "Misplaced Pages in Trouble as Volunteers Leave". November 23, 2009.
3. Seraphina Brennan (Jan 6th 2009). "MUD history dissolving into the waters of time". Joystiq. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
4. Report: Misplaced Pages losing volunteers http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10403467-93.html
5. "Slashdot: Contributors Leaving Misplaced Pages In Record Numbers".

Wikimedia keeps stats on active Wikipedians and new Wikipedians. January 2011 had the largest one-month increase in active users (+12%) since March 2006 (+15%). We also keep stats on article creation, and it's falling into a normal plateau, which can be expected for a work of this nature and duration. Your sources are summaries of the same article, from 2009. The times have changed.

I understand your POV, and I empathize. Many users are discouraged when their well-intentioned edits are are reverted or removed, but you have to remember that we have policies and guidelines, including a strong idea of what Misplaced Pages is and what it is not. This is, after all, Wikimedia's project and they get to decide the focus. There are both legal and logistical reasons for this. Do you feel that we should change our views on, for example, copyright violations or spamming simply because users may get discouraged and leave the project? I suspect that you do not. If you do, I strongly suggest starting your own everything-goes media site, but first hire a good lawyer, because you'll need it.

Let me close with a personal example. I'm both a fan of music and a musician myself. Some of my first edits were creating articles about local musicians—yes, including a band that I once was a part of—and these articles were deleted without warning of any kind because the bands themselves didn't meet WP:BAND. I didn't include references of any kind, and if I had, they would have been interviews with zines and indie music websites, not anything even resembling legitimate music journalism. I've learned a lot of things since then, like how Misplaced Pages is about creating a user-edited encyclopedia about stuff that matters. Quite honestly, Misplaced Pages doesn't care if I write and release a record unless reliable sources consider it noteworthy, and I'm fine with that.

I hope this helps. Cheers! Wyatt Riot (talk) 23:38, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Mankato MN article advice

Hi Wyatt Riot,

I noticed you have previously contributed to the Mankato city page. I'm new to Misplaced Pages and have been practicing a little on that page, and I wanted to recommend a change. The Academic Institutions section is not very informative, and not up to snuff with Misplaced Pages's MOS recommendation that sections be written in prose-style. I left a suggestion on the talk page, but (perhaps not surprisingly) I haven't received a response. Would you mind taking a look and letting me know what you think? Thanks! Balloccoli (talk) 16:18, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't think the list format is necessarily bad in that section, but it could definitely be changed the prose. (Anything could, for that matter.) As could, for example, the Media and Places of interest sections. I'll see if I can find some time to work on it, but quite honestly, I'm probably not the person to do it. Even though I live there (or here, actually), I didn't go to any of those schools and don't listen to the radio. I might be able to turn the Places of interest section into prose, but I can't promise it'll be any good. :) I'll see what I can do when I find the time. Cheers! Wyatt Riot (talk) 02:49, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Are you stalking me?

Why are you so obsessed with what I'm doing? you kept campaigning to delete my artice, and now you're nagging me about copyright laws for a photo I never actually worked out how to use on an article which no longer exists. Get off my back! by the way, check out http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#The_whole_system_is_unfair_and_biased - I'm sure you'de have ploenty of annoying beauracratic comments to make about it