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::One other way ArbCom could help with this, which I’d really appreciate, is an interaction ban. It can be a mutual interaction ban, so that Mathsci and I are both prohibited from commenting on one another, if that’s what ArbCom thinks is best. Does that seem like a reasonable request? --] (]) 23:45, 10 August 2011 (UTC) ::One other way ArbCom could help with this, which I’d really appreciate, is an interaction ban. It can be a mutual interaction ban, so that Mathsci and I are both prohibited from commenting on one another, if that’s what ArbCom thinks is best. Does that seem like a reasonable request? --] (]) 23:45, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
:::Mutual interaction bans are more often handed down by the committee than at the request of one of the subjects, but that's not unprecedented. That would be a request for amendment to the prior case, and my gut says you'll find a lot more support for that than a lifting of sanctions given the recent history. ] (]) 23:46, 10 August 2011 (UTC)


== Kenneth Eng == == Kenneth Eng ==

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You've been mentioned at ANI :)

Hi. I just wanted to let you know that your name has been drawn into ANI in reference to the Marina Poplavskaya situation, since you're the agent working with her via OTRS. --Moonriddengirl 16:49, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

It's nice to be mentioned at ANI as a potential solution, rather than a part of a problem, eh? :-) I'll try and get back with her when I return from my evening engagement. Jclemens (talk) 00:09, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
LOL! Amen. :D --Moonriddengirl 15:05, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Portal:Justin Bieber

You could add the Portuguese language in the Portal: Justin Bieber? Already have a portal in that language. Fernando Ferry (talk) 22:13, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Our correspondence

Can you please not just leave me hanging like this? You told me on the 29th that you’d be available again on Sunday, but I haven’t heard from you again since then. As I said in my original comment here, when an admin abruptly stops responding to me in a discussion, I’m never able to know what I’m supposed to conclude from that. If you’ve decided this topic doesn’t deserve your attention, then I’d like to just be told that, as long as you also explain why you changed your mind about whether it does.

You might remember there was something else I wanted to ask you, which isn’t related to the original topic. I think the second question will be a lot easier to answer. But if you’re not going to reply to my e-mails anymore, it won’t be possible for me to get an answer to my other question either. --Captain Occam (talk) 06:33, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

The only conclusion you can draw is that I'm too busy to deal with your particular request. While I do make an effort to get to things in a timely manner, individual requests for Misplaced Pages efforts come after all other Misplaced Pages obligations, which in turn come after my family, school, and volunteer firefighting obligations--the latter of which are particularly unpredictable, I'm afraid. Jclemens (talk) 14:19, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
OK, thanks for explaining that. Do you have any prediction about when you’ll have more time to discuss things like this? The issue I e-mailed you about initially might be stale by then, but I’d like to at least know when is a good time to ask you my other question. --Captain Occam (talk) 21:26, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
Replied in email. Jclemens (talk) 03:11, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for getting back to me. I’ve gone ahead and asked you my second question now, because it indirectly relates to the answer to what you were asking me. Hopefully answering this question won’t require as much work from you as the first thing I asked. The specific thing I’m requesting is something that I know ArbCom allows fairly often, even if my reasons for requesting it are different from most people’s.
This is the last thing I need right now, so once this last request is resolved I’ll be ready to stop nagging you. --Captain Occam (talk) 18:08, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Now that I’ve explained what it is that I’m looking for (a private hearing), as well as why I think that’s necessary, will you be getting back to me about this soon? I haven’t heard from you again since I explained this four days ago. As you might be aware, in the meantime this situation is beginning to escalate. In light of the new developments, ArbCom’s continued silence about it is starting to seem a little irresponsible.

If the answer is that the arbitrators are still discussing this issue and will get back to me about it soon, I’ll be satisfied with that answer. I’d just like some confirmation that they aren’t disregarding it. --Captain Occam (talk) 21:23, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

No, no discussion has been ongoing--although I have been noting the escalation with interest. You have not advanced any convincing argument that your appeal should be held in private. You are welcome to pursue it in public as desired, although I suggest that resolving the current issues with Mathsci is likely to play favorably into any appeal. Even if you guys can't stand each other, if you can broker an agreement by which you agree to disagree and part from each other, that would reflect favorably. Failing that, you may indeed want to seek sanctions on Mathsci. It's your call. Jclemens (talk) 22:36, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
All right, well, thanks for letting me know that the situation I’ve described isn’t a sufficient reason for a private appeal. I guess I’d better keep looking for a different way to resolve this.
I would really like to not have to interact with Mathsci anymore, but as I said in the clarification thread, my history with him makes me doubtful that he’d stay away from me voluntarily. I think that a large portion of the times when a new editor shows up on race articles who disagrees with him, or a sockpuppet from someone like Mikemikev or A.K. Nole, Mathsci is going to be convinced that somehow I’m the one responsible. Is there any other kind of assistance that ArbCom could give me in ending this interminable conflict?
One other way ArbCom could help with this, which I’d really appreciate, is an interaction ban. It can be a mutual interaction ban, so that Mathsci and I are both prohibited from commenting on one another, if that’s what ArbCom thinks is best. Does that seem like a reasonable request? --Captain Occam (talk) 23:45, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
Mutual interaction bans are more often handed down by the committee than at the request of one of the subjects, but that's not unprecedented. That would be a request for amendment to the prior case, and my gut says you'll find a lot more support for that than a lifting of sanctions given the recent history. Jclemens (talk) 23:46, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Kenneth Eng

Can you check if there was ever an article for "Kenneth Eng"? It seems to have been deleted, if so could you supply me with an archive of the article? Redhanker (talk) 16:06, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it has been deleted multiple times. Ask User:King of Hearts if you want a copy back, I'd suggest. Jclemens (talk) 02:02, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Tom Hatton

Hi there, I'd like to create the page Tom Hatton (actor) who was previously deleted. The content is about the same person and it was suggested to contact the relevant user. I believe the page was initially deleted due to non-notable recognition on the subject's early work, however the subject has now received substantial global recognition for his work including and not limited to the Sony Production 'In The Qube'. I feel it would be of value to add a wikipedia page to the 60 million viewers who identify with the subject. Please could you advise. Hattock79 (talk) 00:55, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

I've restored the old version at Tom Hatton, so you can just add to and update that version. I recommend doing that promptly, else someone might nominate it for deletion again. Cheers, Jclemens (talk) 03:50, 9 August 2011 (UTC)