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| :::I know this is a difference in our vision and that's why I went for it, J. You have actually seen Pipes writing about the topic if you have read the Misplaced Pages page; he describes himself politically as a Jew, and suggests that Muslim gains are Jewish losses. We know this isn't "Jewish", and frankly it's outrageous to say so. It's nationalist. It's "anti-semitic in effect if not intent". What am ''I'' saying about "Muslims and Jews"? That there's a nationalist/territorial conflict sometimes branded with those terms (in Pipes' precise words). But forget about whether it's relevant to the Pipes article, let's just see if we agree that it's not prejudiced to say that Iris Chang's parents were born in China, and that Spencer comes from an Eastern Christian family. Really this isn't about the page, it's about you and I exchanging ideas. We've got some space between us here, but I hope we're narrowing it. ] (]) 20:22, 29 July 2011 (UTC) | :::I know this is a difference in our vision and that's why I went for it, J. You have actually seen Pipes writing about the topic if you have read the Misplaced Pages page; he describes himself politically as a Jew, and suggests that Muslim gains are Jewish losses. We know this isn't "Jewish", and frankly it's outrageous to say so. It's nationalist. It's "anti-semitic in effect if not intent". What am ''I'' saying about "Muslims and Jews"? That there's a nationalist/territorial conflict sometimes branded with those terms (in Pipes' precise words). But forget about whether it's relevant to the Pipes article, let's just see if we agree that it's not prejudiced to say that Iris Chang's parents were born in China, and that Spencer comes from an Eastern Christian family. Really this isn't about the page, it's about you and I exchanging ideas. We've got some space between us here, but I hope we're narrowing it. ] (]) 20:22, 29 July 2011 (UTC) | ||
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| Just so you know, this AFD was materially deficient. ] says "junior players are presumed to be notable if they have won at least a junior Grand slam title," which she did at the 2009 U.S. Open. Maybe the article that existed was poor, but there was no reason to remove all the links, as the player herself is perfectly notable, something the AFD seems to have missed entirely. ] 03:03, 26 July 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :Please see ] above. It's a ], so it's only going into mainspace once it's fully cited. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 00:01, 27 July 2011 (UTC) | |||
| ::Okay, but removing every incoming link was severe overkill. ] 00:03, 27 July 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :::It's a standard automated Twinkle tab for deleted articles - I use it for all articles I delete at AfD. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 05:35, 28 July 2011 (UTC) | |||
| == DLDD == | |||
| I'm becoming increasingly suspicious that DLDD=Noleander. What say you? --] (]) 03:04, 27 July 2011 (UTC) | |||
| *I see a ] but no ]. --] 03:21, 27 July 2011 (UTC) | |||
| ::He means {{User|Dalai lama ding dong}}. | |||
| ::@{{User|Jayjg}}, you had once (I'm pretty sure it was you) commented that the editor who created ] was a banned user. I tried to trace the article back to its original creator, but the name used to be different and I couldn't figure out who the creator of the original article was. Was it {{User|Noleander}}? I'm wondering if {{User|Rakim the Goat}} isn't also involved in all this. That he's a sockpuppet of ''someone'' is undeniable, but having made only one meaningful edit in his nine-minute career as a contributor, it's impossible to form a behavioral profile of him and cross-reference his edits with any other users.—] (]/]) 05:18, 27 July 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :::I don't recall commenting that ] was created by a banned user, but if I did, I likely meant {{User|Siddiqui}}. {{User|Rakim the Goat}} is a sockpuppet of a notorious editor who was banned years ago, and who has since created and used dozens of sockpuppets, pretending to leave then returning, and getting his friend to hide any traces of his previous sockpuppets by deleting the user pages and associated sockpuppet categories. When he creates a one-off sockpuppet like this, it typically means he's gone to some city or town he doesn't live in for the day, and has used facilities there to do his edits, so they can't be traced back to his main sockpuppet account. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 05:27, 28 July 2011 (UTC) | |||
| == Solovieva article == | |||
| Minor suggestion, ignore if you choose. You may find other editors more amenable if you don't start comments with phrases like "Are you kidding?". I don't know the whole history of that page nor your dealings with that user, but that comment sounds hostile, not collaborative. ] (]) 04:40, 28 July 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :I'm a bit peeved that the editor in question abused my trust, getting me to do things for him by making promises with (apparently) no intent of actually carrying them out. I was quite polite to him when I first started helping him. See ] above. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 05:29, 28 July 2011 (UTC) | |||
| ::I see what you're saying, that sounds frustrating. Take a breath. ] (]) 05:44, 28 July 2011 (UTC) | |||
| == Pete Doherty Jewish ancestry == | == Pete Doherty Jewish ancestry == | ||
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Daniel Pipes
Boy, that yellow badge thing got me mad. I mean, the first time you did it, I was mad, but I just did some breathing exercises, :O). Hey I hope you understand that you maybe hit a little nerve for me there, and that I'm not pretending to be glad to work with you on that page, I'm actually glad to work with you. That doesn't mean I think you're right, and maybe I'm still a little bit ill thinking about yellow badges being reduced to Wiki rhetoric, but boy I wish I could tell you how powerfully I object to that without alienating you or being inarticulate. I think we'll do good on our elephant-in-the-room hunt together, whether the elephant is anti-Zionist or Zionist. Cheers, sincerely! DBaba (talk) 00:01, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- Well, I hope that you realize that I wasn't referring to you with that, I specifically directed it at the IP editor. I've seen dozens of similar editors on Misplaced Pages over the last 7 years, people who think it's very important to label people they disagree with or think are guilty of something as Jews, so I'm a bit impatient with them. I look forward to working with you too. Jayjg 01:17, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- You are distinctly the man, Jayjg. DBaba (talk) 01:38, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- I've got another little bone I want to pick with you, away from the talk page. You seem to have a long record of blanking Pipes' identity as Jewish, and I think that's problematic. This is a discrete point from what you once said about 'ethnicity', which means nothing and is understandably absent from reliable sources. This is something that, in Pipes' case, is included in many reliable sources (including his characterizations of his own opinions), and that's reason enough to keep it in. But I am worried that you hold a view that is suspicious of why that is significant, to any of these social scientists and reporters, and I'd like to engage you on that.
- In all nationalist conflicts, the nationalist axis is politicized. Some people become obsessed with what they perceive to be their national orientation, and spend all kinds of time arguing if it's the Sea of Japan or the East Sea, the Persian Gulf or the Arab Gulf. Every little thing is assessed on the "Is-this-good-for-the-brand-name" axis. Some of the X's always decide to say nasty stuff about the Y's, because their loss is our gain. So if some dude is warning of the impending horrors of the Muslim invasion and the Islamist world takeover, it makes sense to note if he is Jewish, because he would seem to be exhibiting that disease which disputes the nomenclature of the Persian Gulf, the reality of the Nanking Massacre, the extent of the Holocaust.
- I've definitely read (and misread) the usage of 'Jewish' before, in what I thought were illegitimate or political ways. And I was involved in a fascinating back-and-forth at Larry Ellison, where two guys with very different political views were bending the narrative to suggest a Jewish ethnicity, when the real story is much more interesting. There are all sorts of motives for these things, and I think that any time you see someone labeled as Jewish you should consider if it is for some significance relating to nationalist conflict. Robert Spencer holds views comparable to Pipes, and his Melkite Greek Catholic background has exactly the same significance on that nationalist axis. I'm just about over the 'Yellow Badge' thing. Cheers, DBaba (talk) 01:00, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
- In the early days I "blanked" it because there weren't actually any reliable sources that stated it and because people insisted it belonged in the lede, many (and perhaps most) for the reasons given by this editor, though few expressed it that honestly. In your most recent comment on the article Talk: page, you stated your concern about the lede being used for material of "significance"; it's still not clear to me how the fact that his parents are Jews is "significant" in any way to Pipes himself. I haven't seen Pipes himself writing about the topic at all, and I don't recall other reputable sources discussing it in any detail, or relating it to his career in any way. To be frank, I hope I've misunderstood what you're saying about "if some dude is warning of the impending horrors of the Muslim invasion and the Islamist world takeover, it makes sense to note if he is Jewish" – if you're claiming that his "Jewishness" is significant because Jews are prone to Islamophobia, then we have a much bigger issue. Perhaps you can clarify - what exactly are you saying about Jews and Muslims? Jayjg 01:27, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
- I'm telling you that an analysis on the axis of nationalist conflict is relevant to social scientists, not because they are part of a cabal of self-haters and bigots, but because it's politically relevant. It has political import that Iris Chang is Chinese American. It has political import that Spencer's family was killed and expelled. It has political import if David Irving is singing songs about 'Aryanism' to Christopher Hitchens' daughter. Helen Thomas? These are axises of nationalist conflict. And I'm trying to defend reliable sources to you here, and explain how they are according these factoids significance... The Arab-Israeli conflict is an axis of interpretation, for them; "how does such and such figure in this conflict?"
- In the early days I "blanked" it because there weren't actually any reliable sources that stated it and because people insisted it belonged in the lede, many (and perhaps most) for the reasons given by this editor, though few expressed it that honestly. In your most recent comment on the article Talk: page, you stated your concern about the lede being used for material of "significance"; it's still not clear to me how the fact that his parents are Jews is "significant" in any way to Pipes himself. I haven't seen Pipes himself writing about the topic at all, and I don't recall other reputable sources discussing it in any detail, or relating it to his career in any way. To be frank, I hope I've misunderstood what you're saying about "if some dude is warning of the impending horrors of the Muslim invasion and the Islamist world takeover, it makes sense to note if he is Jewish" – if you're claiming that his "Jewishness" is significant because Jews are prone to Islamophobia, then we have a much bigger issue. Perhaps you can clarify - what exactly are you saying about Jews and Muslims? Jayjg 01:27, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
- I know this is a difference in our vision and that's why I went for it, J. You have actually seen Pipes writing about the topic if you have read the Misplaced Pages page; he describes himself politically as a Jew, and suggests that Muslim gains are Jewish losses. We know this isn't "Jewish", and frankly it's outrageous to say so. It's nationalist. It's "anti-semitic in effect if not intent". What am I saying about "Muslims and Jews"? That there's a nationalist/territorial conflict sometimes branded with those terms (in Pipes' precise words). But forget about whether it's relevant to the Pipes article, let's just see if we agree that it's not prejudiced to say that Iris Chang's parents were born in China, and that Spencer comes from an Eastern Christian family. Really this isn't about the page, it's about you and I exchanging ideas. We've got some space between us here, but I hope we're narrowing it. DBaba (talk) 20:22, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
Pete Doherty Jewish ancestry
Sky News reports that Pete Doherty's spokeswoman said "Peter himself is from Jewish descent...". Here is the link again: Doherty Upsets German Fans With Nazi Anthem
- Yes, he is "of Jewish descent". Apparently his mother's father was Jewish. That doesn't make Doherty himself Jewish. Doherty was raised Catholic. Jayjg 01:11, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
- Jews are an ethnic group as well as a religious one. Apparently 52% of American Jews are atheists/agnostics. There's even a Misplaced Pages category for Jewish atheists featuring the likes of Isaac Asimov and Karl Marx.Clinton Baptiste (talk) 18:55, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
- I suspect Jayjg is already familiar with the various definitions of Judaism. Still, to state on Misplaced Pages that someone is definitively Jewish, there has to be a reliable source that says the person him- or herself is Jewish, rather than merely a grandparent. All the best, – Quadell 19:04, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
- If Tiger Woods is African American then Pete Doherty should be considered Jewish. Given that Woods is only one-quarter African American.Clinton Baptiste (talk) 19:35, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
- You have provided a reliable source indicating that Doherty has an ancestor who was Jewish. You have not provided any reliable source stating that Doherty himself is Jewish. Please review WP:NOR and WP:BLP. Jayjg 22:32, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
- If Tiger Woods is African American then Pete Doherty should be considered Jewish. Given that Woods is only one-quarter African American.Clinton Baptiste (talk) 19:35, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
DYK for Kiever Synagogue
 | On 30 July 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Kiever Synagogue, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Kiever Synagogue (pictured) was the first building of Jewish significance to be designated a historical site by the province of Ontario? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. |
Panyd 03:26, 29 July 2011 (UTC) 18:02, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
- Nice job! – Quadell 12:07, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
Evan Seinfeld is Jewish
My addition, American Jews, to Evan Seinfeld's page was correct, there was no need to erase it.
In an interview, he is asked why he, a Jewish male, would have tattoos. He doesn't deny being Jewish.
http://www.inkedmag.com/music/q-evan-seinfeld/
Now I expect his page to have my addition added to it.
Also, Seinfeld is a common Jewish name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.74.108.77 (talk) 06:04, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
- While he didn't deny it, he didn't confirm it, I don't know if that's a reliable source, and you didn't include it with your edit anyway. "Common Jewish name" is meaningless when it come to WP:BLP. Jayjg 16:50, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
DYK for Anshei Minsk
| On 1 August 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Anshei Minsk, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that because of the Great Depression, the members of the Anshei Minsk synagogue offered to pay the builder with a lifetime membership in lieu of full fees for his services? If you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. |
Panyd 16:34, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
Staten Island Ferry Whitehall Terminal
Dear Jayjg, You have become the experienced editor I turn to with questions from time to time, and hope that is all right with you. I continue to enjoy creating some articles and editing others, and normally have good relations with other editors who improve the articles I create as well as those they and I mutually work on for improvements. My question now is about the way one editor (Beyond My Ken) has deleted a number of images in the gallery I included on the article I created, "Staten Island Ferry Whitehall Terminal." (This is an editor who admits he went through a series of screen names because of problems during the time he used earlier ones.) Anyway, he deleted them as "inappropriate," and I reinstated them (reverting his edit) asking that he explain why he thought they were inappropriate on the discussion page. His explanation was that "wikipedia is not a gallery," and asked me to check "WP:NOTGALLERY," plus "WK:OWNERSHIP." I understand ownership...and that all articles are collaborative, but when I checked "not gallery," what I read was that no wikipedia article should be a "mere gallery of photos," with just a little text thrown in. In this case, it's a solid article, which included a few photos in the article itself, but then I thought I enhanced it with additional photos. I don't want to engage in an edit war by reverting his edit again - and besides, I'm not sure who is right. If you could take a look at the article and its history, and give me your opinion, I'd accept that view as authoritative. Thanks as always! (PS - I also did an article on the architect who designed the memorial, Frederic Schwartz. You can see from the history of the articles I create that when I do one, the next one is often one that "flows" from the research I did for an earlier one. So I have done an article on a film, and then one on the director. In this case, I did on on the architect, and then on some of his works. Anyway, the same editor struck out "award-winning" from the phrase "award winning architect" in the lead...even though the article includes a list of awards that the architect won. Again, I'd appreciate your opinion!). Thanks again - NearTheZoo (talk) 19:58, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
- I will take a look. Jayjg 23:43, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
Kehilla
Dear Jayjg: you right about the "Kehilla", my bad. Bloger (talk) 22:03, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
- No big deal, thanks for the note. Jayjg 23:43, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
I’m thinking of making an article on the "Kehilla", I just need a little extra time! Bloger (talk) 23:48, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
Falling in reverse
I thought I'd let you know that the page The Drug In Me Is You (Album) page was created again. I did not create this page, but I did substitute the page with my own text because that page was atrociously bad and unsourced. Seeing the charts and new coverage for the band/album, I believe my user page on the band (User:GroundZ3R0 002/Sandbox 3) and on the album (User:GroundZ3R0 002/The Drug In Me Is You) that Kygora has helped me create is completely notable and suitable for Misplaced Pages. While AltPress sources do exist, they are now a minority on both pages and are used only for information. In addition, these are all original pieces composed by AltPress correspondents, not press releases as you previously suspected. AltPress is a widely publicized magazine and so the few sources by them should be left. As for notability, the album has charted on many iTunes charts, both the singles charted in 16 and 19 countries on iTunes, the album charted at number 19 on the Billboard 200, and charted in the top 10 in 5 other billboard charts, as well as on a few UK charts, possibly other countries as well but I have a difficult time researching charts. I understand that previous renditions have been unacceptable in the past, but I encourage you to see this version as high quality and proper for Misplaced Pages. Thank you, GroundZ3R0 002 21:04, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
- To Further this, i would like to point out Falling in Reverse now Meets WP:Band "Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart." For The Drug In Me Is You Has place at #19 on the --Kygora 22:41, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
- An article that was re-created in mainspace 24 separate times after deletion, and that failed a DRV a month ago, would have to go through another DRV before recreation in mainspace. Any attempt to recreate in any other way would be met with deletion and editor blocking, because of the two-year history of disruption. Jayjg 22:45, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
- Would you be kind enough to unblock the talk page for Falling In Reverse? Thanks, GroundZ3R0 002 18:17, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
Vandalism by User:99.253.6.218
would like to report User:99.253.6.218 that IP has done nothing bu Vandalize 2 Wiki Pages.--Kygora 04:31, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
- I've warned him. If he continues, I'll block him. Jayjg 04:47, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
Northeast/North East Africa
Hi Jayjg. I would like your advice, if possible, on something. There's a Sudanese account that has been consistently removing mention of the territories in the Horn of Africa from various articles. Two such instances of this are on the Northeast Africa and North East Africa re-direct pages. Both pages for a long-time used to point to the Horn of Africa page, but the account unilaterally re-routed them to the North Africa article. His argument for doing so is basically that the term "Northeast Africa" or "North East Africa" only pertains to Egypt and (the former northern) Sudan . I've explained to him that the territories in the Horn of Africa are often as well referred to as "Northeast Africa" (e.g. ), whereas most of the territories in the North Africa article that he re-directed the pages to actually lie in the Northwest (Maghreb). The discussions have reached a stalemate, as he's basically now ignoring the material that I have produced to demonstrate that the Horn of Africa is often included in the designation. The user has also been confirmed by Checkuser to have been abusing multiple accounts, and his sock accounts have been indefinitely banned (c.f. ). However, even this does not appear to have had much of an effect since he's still pretty much carrying on as before with his main account. I'm not sure how to proceed at this point; please advise. Best regards, Middayexpress (talk) 19:00, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
- I've cautioned him on his Talk: page regarding edit-warring. On the Red Sea Talk: page there appears to be another editor who disagrees with you. You could always start a WP:RFC. Jayjg 19:30, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
- Much obliged (the other editor and I seem to have reached an agreement). Cheers, Middayexpress (talk) 19:37, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
hi, i saw your warning in my talk page !!, I think you decision to support him is wrong! ,.first of all because it was a month before he started to revret my edits without discussion! & did you notice that im the one who is using the article's talk page and comment before each edit ? ,I will stop reverting his edits from now on , but my request is to read about norttheast africa more if you support his opinion? and if you don't agree with him , please let it be an article instead of redirect , finally , why did you warn me not him at the first place !! I'm doing a very constructive edits, many users disagree Talk:Red_Sea with his opinions any way, regards --Prince jasim ali (talk) 04:32, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
- Actually, only one user (not "many users") expressed disagreement in the separate Red Sea article discussion; and that issue was eventually resolved without your involvement and well before your post above. You also re-routed the long-standing Northeast Africa and North East Africa re-directs to point to the North Africa article and with no prior discussion let alone consensus (as the time stamps from this month on the Northeast Africa discussion page readily show ). As can be seen on that same article's talk page, this and more was also already explained to you, with sources in tow (including a map you yourself posted). Lastly, "North East Africa" did used to be an article -- one that, incidentally, was largely devoted to the Horn of Africa countries in the greater region . That's why it was re-directed to the main Horn of Africa article in the first place .
- (Apologies Jayjg for the interjection, but I had to correct those inaccuracies.) Middayexpress (talk) 08:35, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
- Actually,4 users disagree with you ever since this edit has been posted me, bazonka , mandavi & merhawie, and you should advise him not to take wikipedia edits as a personal issue --Prince jasim ali (talk) 22:39, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
- Uh, that's a link to a post from four years ago... even before I joined this website, nevermind your account. Talk about grasping at straws. (Apologies again Jayjg for the interjection, but I had to correct this (latest) absurdity.) Middayexpress (talk) 05:36, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
- Actually,4 users disagree with you ever since this edit has been posted me, bazonka , mandavi & merhawie, and you should advise him not to take wikipedia edits as a personal issue --Prince jasim ali (talk) 22:39, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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The Barnstar of Diligence |
| For all your thankless and stressful work dealing with vandalism, notability issues, and sourcing problems, I award you this shiny token of appreciation. Thanks for all you do! – Quadell 13:45, 10 August 2011 (UTC) |
Updates to Temple Beth Israel (Eugene, Oregon)
Greetings. I like to keep an eye on changes to GAs I reviewed, and an issue came up regarding Temple Beth Israel (Eugene, Oregon), which you brought up to GA status last month. Since then, an anon updated the page to show the new rabbi (Boris Dolin instead of Maurice Harris). These edits look accurate, and the ref (the temple's official website) does indeed show Dolin currently. I, in turn, made a few more updates in this regard, but I have a concern: the "Temple Beth Israel website" ref has a sub-ref for Harris' personal letter. Is there still a use for this? And should there be additional information now about the new rabbi? Just thought I'd let you know. All the best, – Quadell 12:23, 11 August 2011 (UTC)