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You are from Dagestan?

Are you from Caucasia?

If yes please say yes. 69.196.139.250 03:04, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry let me reword that. I know your from the USA, but is your ethnic origin from Caucasia? 69.196.139.250 04:06, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry what do mean by "its from Eastern or Western Euorpe?" 69.196.139.250 04:09, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Turkish people

Hey, Khoikhoi.I was actually thinking about discussing it first because it is a very important subject but we know the term "Turkish" is actually like American. The reasons for that is,since everybody is mixed and from whole different backgrounds, the Kurds are considered Turkish too,but that doesnt mean the different cultures and languages dont exist or considered. The term Turkish was made up later in the end of the Ottoman period,to unite the people under the same flag because that was very popular in those times and all the nations in the world was united in one country under a name of a race. I know there will be many people that will oppose this but i think this has to be talked about. If you look at what Ataturk said: Anybody who built the Turkish republic is considered a Turk.Also another reason i had suggested that is because there is already a demographics section and since we know the thing called Turkish is actually has little to do with the Turkic tribes despite speaking the language. I hope my English is sufficient to explain a complicated subject like this. (Metb82 13:39, 17 March 2006 (UTC))

Turks Origins

• Sorry i was away.Its weird but I actually never saw a Turkic looking person (short and slant-eyed) in Turkey that im sure has Turkish nationality. I really wonder how come all the people speak Turkish and non of the people show the racial characteristics.I think we should find more information on that.Btw,where is your ancestry from? (Metb82 04:14, 16 March 2006 (UTC))

• • I know ive been to US. Lol i didnt see the same discussion was being made at the same time. Anyway i hope we can exchange information on different matters. Take care. (Metb82 04:27, 16 March 2006 (UTC))

Email

Check your mail--Hectorian 04:31, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Azerbaijan

Same IP is vandalising Azerbaijan and Nagorno-Karabakh pages. I reported him yesterday for 3RR rule violation, he was blocked for 8hrs, now he returned with 2 different IP addresses. I reported him again, let’s see what happens. Please keep an eye at Azerbaijan page, if possible. Regards, Grandmaster 07:17, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Azeris origins are not known. In the Turkic people article, I am guessing you are talking about the map here - and it only shows 'turkish languages' --Kash 10:46, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

People who speak Turkic languages are Turkic people. Very simple. By the way, this IP had no problems with Azeris being Turkic, he was pushing pro-Armenian POV. Grandmaster 11:24, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Sup

For years, theyve been trying to brainwash azeris into beleiving they are "Iranian". These people are scared at the thought of the rise of Azeri nationalism. Since 1991, North Azerbaijan has been independent and the south azeris are getting more and more conscious of their Turkic identity. That explains the support the Iranian/Persian nationalists have for Armenia inspite of the fact that Azeris are also Shi'a muslim like the persians.

Thanks for standing up to the Persian/Iranian nationalistsKillaShark 08:22, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Yep it is. Azeri and Turkish are mutually intelligible.

Tatar is also very similar to Turkish. There are only minor differences in pronounciations and accent. For eg, the tatar word for people is millat whereas in Turkish it is "millet" .No in Tatar is "Yuq" and in Turkish its "Yok". In fact, if you know Turkish you can understand pretty much every Turkic language to some extent. Kazak is the most deviant from Turkish, and even in Kazak you can pick out most of the words. Not bad eh ?:KillaShark 11:03, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

I havent seen much of the dolgan and yakut languages to make a judgement, but theyre supposed to very different from all the other turkic languages. Check out this site ].KillaShark 06:55, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, but it also excludes Bati Trakya(West Thrace) and the Kardzali region of Bulgaria. This hungarian site is pretty interesting as well. As for the azerbaijanis page, maybe we can get it protected from editing by new and and anonymous users like with the azerbaijan page. Im relatively new here and im not sure of the procedure involved. Can you try it out ? :KillaShark 07:30, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Re: Help with Khomeini

I reverted it and warned him against vandalizing the page again. That information could be construed as slander. Cheers! --Scaife Don't forget Hanlon's Razor 08:59, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Look here and add a comment if you'd like. --Scaife Don't forget Hanlon's Razor 21:10, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Aucaman

Hey read this . Whats up with that? Can we really not get him to stop editing Iranian articles? he is clearly racist. --Kash 10:39, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

User_talk:Aucaman#Cyrus_and_Persians This user is not fit to contribute to Iran-Persian articles. --Kash 11:21, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok, let's understand each other

Look, I don't know who you really are , but there is something that I need to tell you abouth south azerbaijan page, as you know (or maybe don't know) the people of republic azerbaijan and south azerbaijan are from the same root, speaking the same language, and much more, so these people are being separated using a border just like Germany and Korea, so if you just let me keep that part of the page I'll appreciate you, or if you have something to discuss you can just say it. thank you

Burusho

Hi. The ethnic group who speak the Burushaski language do not seem to have their own article, or else I can't find it. Maybe you'd like to start the article. Alexander 007 03:56, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

2 different users same IP, same house, there artually 4 users with this IP

Not the same. Assumtion is the orute of many problems my hasty friend! Don't worry I forgive you. Now undo your magic spell.

Successful RfA

Thanks

for the welcome --134.83.65.146 18:06, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

I know there's a problem with it when reverting anons (not accounts). To revert an anon, you have to go to their contributions table and click the button there. Fortunately, those tables are now easy to access. --Latinus 19:22, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

I read at the dev's discussion board how to fix the problem. Check your e-mail. --Latinus 19:36, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Copy mine - it's exactly the same as yours except it works ;-) --Latinus 00:10, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

I've taken it out - I've taken everything out... apparently, the rollback feature is very demanding and is incompatible with everything else, so I ditched everything else and kept the rollback ;-) --Latinus 00:15, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Khomeini

You thought the nonsense about Indian origins was weird? Check this out: Khomeinis real father,William Richard Williamson, was born in Bristol, England, in 1872 of British parents and lineage. . ;) SouthernComfort 21:15, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Kurds

There are no Kurds in Turkey as well.That's official.If you deny this, it will be illegal.Kurds are already mountain Turks and we've assimilated %70 of them.You are not Amerindian but call yourself "american" and can't speak any other language except for english. Inanna 00:39, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Was that map of CIA?! I didn't suprised.Now i can see better the politics of US.I can draw you a map also.There is no any country whose name is "Kurdistan".We never permit.After the militans who were weaponized by Turkey end your adventure of iraq, we'll occupy there and "Kurdish Adventure" will be ended also.My government means me? I know where the name come from but more than half of americans passed the ellis island...Inanna 00:59, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

I mean most americans came from other lands, not the native people.That map is lie also.Where are the Turks(or Turkmens)? Weapons of PKK comes from US...Inanna 01:07, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

I am talking about the map of caucasus.Yes, it does but you don't have to.Don't recognize as terrorist if you wish.Our army in afghanistan in case of that condition.US sold the weapons to PKK.However my great people are very successful at using guns and now they afraid to attack villiages again...Inanna 01:30, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

You mean you want to eat a Turk(me)? :) Did you date? Where? There are no Turks in california(maybe less than 100)...Inanna 01:43, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Were they called dates?...anyway.Turks in US generally live in italian zone.California is too far away and there is not a large community.Very easy to be assimilated...Inanna 01:51, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Italians are majority in New York, New Jersey, Massachussets where the Turks also.California is quite big and cosmopolitan.It's easy to be assimilated at that kinda ares.For example, we're showing bubble lives of Istanbul at magazines.The kurds who watch those thinks everybody are like them and flee to Istanbul.Then they are forgetting who are them.Noone can keep their national individualism in here(except for Turks)...Inanna 02:08, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

3RR

I am not gonna break the rule,be sure about that!:)i still can make one more revert though...

What help in Turkish people?it seems fine--Hectorian 01:25, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Someone is removing the comments in Talk:Greeks.the 3RR aplies only to the articles,right?cause i have been reverting the page to include the comments that he/she wants to delete...--Hectorian 02:28, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks:)--Hectorian 02:33, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

This was a vandamism...ok,i got it!take your time...it is rather late here.i did some rest:)--Hectorian 02:37, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

I said in the talk page that i will not revert it for a while,waiting for some more sources about the numbers.i have seen many sources claiming 15-30,000 victims.if there will not be something more neutral or reliable,i will do whatever i can to keep this edit.i'd like u to tell me what do u think about this--Hectorian 19:25, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Well you are right but

The fact is iranian azerbaijanies since they are under a kind of pressure from persians, more are going to belive that they are turks, which we can see right now, but, abouth the article, every azerbaijani knows that two parts are being separated by the Araz river, so I have nothing to do with azeris, cause they already know that, but when it comes to other people around the world, since they have nothing to do with the history of this part, when someone talks abouth azerbaijan, they mostly think abouth the republic azerbaijan whcih would be around 33% of the real azerbaijan, and since iran's government starts spliting south azerbaijan's land into several provinces which some doesn't carry even azerbaijan's name, I was just worried that in the future people around the world will forget that south azerbaijan is actually the main part of azerbaijan historically, which hold much more azeris in it, so in fact they're like the biggest stateless people in the world, any ways i'll be happy if you send me sometimes things.

• • yeah, you are right, I'm an azeri, first of all they know that they are azeris, but, it's a good question why azeris are calling themeselves Iranians, jsut simple they are living in a country whith being called iran, when it comes to turks and persians, they are not gonna call themeselves persians, may be if you ask from an azeri who lives in iran which people are closer to you: persians or north azerbaijanies, they will find out who they really are, and unlike persians in iran, azeris almost know what people speak in Turkey, so the only thing that separates south azeris and people of turkey is being "shi'a" and "sunni" which was a strong diifference speacially in the past, and since persians are "shi'a" too, religious people prefer to be with persians, but, north azeris are actually the same even after around 200 years of separation, they still think about the traditional capital which was in the south, and since persians government is trying to gatheround people around a flag, is trying to "kill" this turk identity, so they won't have any problems, using media and other things in the south, they are trying to give azeris an Iranian identity, but with simple just simple words from azeri identity, and the facts abouth the history and population, i think they can belive that they are turks, why? cause they are speaking turkish, and persians don't wanna belive it, so i'll talk later

• • well, of course they are shia mostly, the thing is they know and call themeselves turks, but who live in iran, this is just simple, and persian people know that too, the thing is persian government is trying too deny that so they can keep the the country united with a centralized system, but they have choosed a wrong way, maybe azeris belive that they are iranians, but i don't think that they forgot that they are turks too...

GO look at this users editing history. He is a pna-Turkist propaganda artist. Go look at the untrue statments he made. He or she does not sign either; I am talking about user:65.34.171.49. They made a statment that there was one unified Azerbaijan beofre 1918 that is so misleading. What they just said to you is warped. Very warped. Azerbaijanis are the same racially as Persians or Kurds. 69.196.139.250 20:33, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Re:question

Hi - report to Misplaced Pages:Vandalism in progress, or of any administrator you know is online right now. Rama's Arrow 07:58, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Be careful about 3RR - avoid dealing with the anon and let an admin tackle him/her. Rama's Arrow 07:58, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

yes. Rama's Arrow 07:59, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

only when I'm around. Glad to be of help. Rama's Arrow 08:01, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Hmm...Go to Misplaced Pages:Vandalism in ProgressI'm surprised that no admin has attended to the situation. Just be careful you don't fall for the 3RR. If you know any admin to be online, buzz 'em. Otherwise we can alternately keep reverting until an admin finally steps in. Rama's Arrow 08:55, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Took care of it I believe. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 09:05, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm glad. Gotta sign-off myself. Take care! Rama's Arrow 09:06, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Template vandalism

Hey Khoikhoi - I don't feel comfortable blocking either of those IPs, since neither of them have vandalized since their last 'test4' warning. I'll leave them both listed on AIV for the moment however, in case things flare back up. Alternatively, if this is a longer-term problem, you could request that the page be temporarily semi-protected. I'd be happy to do so, if things are becoming too much to bear. Cheers! --PeruvianLlama 09:13, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Okay, glad it's been taken care of! --PeruvianLlama 09:13, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Edit summaries

You have the best edit summaries, especially in AFD. Keep up the good work. Punkmorten 10:23, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Adana

I added a comment in his talk page.i find it a good idea to re-add the paragraph(without a number).only about the 1909 events.i think,we have to make it clear...--Hectorian 19:39, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Adana is now locked. . I will try later. Odysses (☜) 15:56, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Rollback

It was working great last week, but then I tried using it against some nice trolls at Hugo Chavez — it kept giving error messages, so I had to restore the popups code to be able to quickly revert them. It'd be great if you could help me do the fix. Thanks. Saravask 22:08, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks — it's working now; I just used it to revert a nothing change to Saffron by Bobblewik. Saravask 22:26, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Khoikhoi, don't revert his edits (for obvious reasons). --Latinus 23:35, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

I replied - BTW don't go over the 3RR, that's what he wants. --Latinus 23:45, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Check again... --Latinus 00:08, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

BTW do you think you could do your bit to what hasn't been cleared up belonging to 62.162.14.36 (talk · contribs · block log). --Latinus 00:22, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Jo. --Latinus 00:24, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

You got mail :-) --Latinus 01:08, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

And again... --Latinus 01:29, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

And again... --Latinus 01:40, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/62.162.14.36

Pull my name out of a hat or something? Hehe. I have reviewed the situation and believe you are right, so I have blocked the second IP (User:62.162.14.122) for block evasion and continuing to revert even after violating WP:3RR. --W.marsh 02:38, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Don't worry,i won't.--Hectorian 02:40, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I know...he is above my comment!can u rv Turkish people?--Hectorian 02:42, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Both are already done by someone else.--Hectorian 02:44, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Haha...nice comment on his talk page!:)i guess he'll keep an eye too--Hectorian 02:51, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I can't help it!i liked his comment a lot!!!: 'number vandal'...lol--Hectorian 02:53, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I just found out were u got your username from:)--Hectorian 03:13, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Very interesting...both of them.i was curious...--Hectorian 03:18, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Nezami

Well, the article seems fine, but the issue of "Azerbaijani origin" is a bit complex. He was born there, but he wasn't necessarily an ethnic Azeri (who back then were not Turkic, of course). The article states in the same paragraph that his father was from Qom and that his mother was a Kurd, so that is contradictory. BTW, an anon added the bit about being "Azerbaijani." It should probably be deleted, IMHO. SouthernComfort 04:20, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Some of the links there provide some interesting insights, such as this one. The Britannica article doesn't say anything about his ethnicity. SouthernComfort 04:28, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I know, it's typically a very sensitive topic since they are today a Turkic-speaking people, but before the Turkic arrival they spoke Iranian languages. Zereshk is half-Azeri and also very knowledgeable about pre-Turkic Azeri history and language. As to whether or not Azeris consider themselves Turkic, I think that depends entirely on the individual, and especially where they are from. For example, an Azeri from Azerbaijan is obviously going to have a very different view of things than an Azeri from Iran. I can tell you that in Iran, many Azaris (Persian form of "Azeri") often don't like to be called "Turks" ("Torke" in Persian) even though many other Iranians refer to them as such, and sometimes it is used as an epithet. I personally never use the term "Turk" at all, and instead always use "Azari" to be respectful. SouthernComfort 04:38, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Your welcome. =) That was probably a good idea to change from "Turkic" to "ethnic group" - one of the difficulties with that article is due to the fact that Azeris are both in Iran (where the majority are concentrated) and the Republic of Azerbaijan. So it is certainly difficult to balance the various POVs. SouthernComfort 04:54, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree, this is total crap, especially when the Columbia reference uses "Aryan tribes." I mean, come on, there is a limit to this sort of thing. There are plenty of Iranian references, but we're talking about books here, and they're in Persian. This is stupid to have to "prove" that the term is widely used in Iran and/or India, because it's just a given. Even the idea of the footnote is absurd because the term, as it relates to Iranians, has absolutely nothing to do with Nazis and as I've told him countless times, the Aryan article goes to great lengths to explain everything so any footnotes are totally unnecessary. Does he think WP readers are idiots? I'm not willing to accomodate this crap, and we should not be expected to play along just because he has a bias. We're not in grade school here. SouthernComfort 05:04, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

This is the link to the Britannica article that Gol mentions - even there they disambiguate between the Aryans of Iran and India and the "Aryan race" theory of the Nazis that Germans and Europeans were also "Aryan" (which any sane person knows is absolute bullshit). It's one thing if he is totally misguided, but it is quite another to continue these attempts at blatantly deleting sourced information while not only claiming otherwise, but also incorrectly defining the term in question. I'm not sure what his problem is. SouthernComfort 05:21, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, he may claim that he sees it as evidence of "anti-Semitism" on WP, but I don't think this is the case. I have never, ever heard anyone, no matter their ethnic or religious background, complain about the ancestors of Iranians and Indians being called "Aryans." And why not? Because that is what they were called! LOL Man, it's just so stupid I can't believe we're even discussing this bullshit to death. Funny thing about the swastika - it's not exactly a holy symbol in Iran, but apparently it's considered a good luck charm. They sell them in a lot of jewelery stores. The first time I saw one, a long while back, I thought to myself, "WTF is this Nazi shit doing here?!" I asked the guy behind the counter (mentioning the Nazi connection) - he had no damn clue as to what the hell I was talking about! SouthernComfort 05:33, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I've come across that website before - they love to go on and on about how Iranians and northern Indians are of Aryan descent, but that we are no longer "pure." And of course, the Nordics are the most "pure" Aryans. It's incredible that there are quite a number of idiots who buy into that BS. What's even more incredible is that they deceived an entire nation of people into believing this ideology which led to WW2 and the Holocaust. And many people today here in N. America and Europe still equate the term "Aryan" with "Nordic" - instead of helping to correct such perceptions, Aucaman seems to want to preserve the racist definition used by the Nazis - because that is exactly what he is doing by attempting to disconnect "Aryan" from "Iran" on WP. All that does is keep people ignorant. As for Reza Shah, some have alleged that he changed the international name at the urging of the Germans, but it's just a theory and has never been proven. That article about the so-called "naming dispute" is incredibly POV. SouthernComfort 05:53, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Grandmaster

NO, he is not really reasonable, I patiently explained everything to him, and respectuflly added dispute tags, but he simply dismissed everything. YOu are just covering your buddy as I see it, you have not been very objective. Do not forget that Karabakh includes Arran, a disputed region.

I am willing to give it one more try, and he should too, but if your friend persist, I will continue my fireworks. I find it a lot more fun vandalizing and blowing off steam than reasoning with the unreasonable.

Sincerely,

My RFA withdrawal :(

Hello Khoikhoi, it is my apologies to bring you that I've withdrawn my RFA. Due to the lack of experience, I would go under admin coaching first before trying again later. I would thank you for your vote in this RFA whether you voted support, oppose or neutral for me. I appreciate your comments (if you do have) you made and I hope to see you here in future. --Terence Ong 05:22, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

My RFA

Persian New Year

Diyako has changed the page "Newroz" from being a redirect of Norooz to a new article of its own. I'm not sure what to do about this. This is the same historical event and holiday which is referred to in English as "Persian new year" and celebrated by Kurds, Azeris, Persians and people of Baha'i faith, but Diyako is using the local different pronunciation to create the illusion that this is a different festival when it's not. This is like claiming that the French pronunciation of Christmas is a different festival and holiday than Christmas! --ManiF 18:23, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I am begining to have a headache over this.. he has just created Nevruz. I am not sure if its necessary at all. The only link he is using is as reference is: which clearly says:

"Nevruz, a composite noun combining Nev (new) and Ruz (day), means new day and is a mythologic day celebrated as New Year’s Day by Turks living in Central Asia, Anatolian Turks and Persians."

It's the same thing, sure the people have different ideas of its origins but its basically 'New day'/'New years' festival in the middle eastern and central asian countries. I think it's best to focus all the effort in to one article. The central day for Norouz is 21st (in 2 days) and if we can't get this right then I am gonna be very dissapointed. I would like to know your view on this. --Kash 20:50, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

If you are not farsi and claim you know nothing on Kurdish traditions and Turkic and Farsi traditions how you suggest to merge??!! If you can write the text you will see that they are different. educate yourself a little. and remember that since centuries there has been always biased action from farsis towards Kurds and their other neighbours such as Turks and Arabs. many farsis think their religious land is center of the world but they do not know that their neighbours do not think so. some farsi users here on wiki should learn themselves to respect other cultures. and you should try to be more serious if you are not farsi.Diyako Talk + 21:06, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

You can mention the Kurdish Newroz in the norouz article. Diyako Talk + 21:11, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

As I said you can mention the Kurdish newroz in the norouz article but Kurdish Newroz which still is a stub will remain. The Kurdish Newroz will be soon expanded three times more or even more. but you are welcome to mention the Kurdish Newroz in the norouz article.Diyako Talk + 21:21, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Smurrayinchester's RFA

Thank you, Khoikhoi/Archived
	for voting in my RFA. It passed with a result of 100/1/0. Thanks for your vote! If you have any comments, please say so here.

User:Diyako is trying to make an alternative ficticious definition of Newroz

User:Diyako has created an article on a Turkic-Nowruz without mention of its Iranian history and roots. Soon we will here Nowruz has nothing to do with Iran too. His article is Nevruz. This should be merged or edited properly. He has gone on the Turkish discussions to promote it.

Here is what user:Diyako has written;

Nevruz is the spring festival among Turkic-speaking nations, from Turkey to Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan etc. It is very similar to the Iranian festival of Norouz.

According to Turkish legends Nevruz dates back to era of Gökturks.

Th user Diyako is definnityl anti-Iranian and has an anti-Iranian agenda.

Nevruz is not very similar to the Irnian festival of Norouz it is Norouz!

He has claimed the Kurdish flag has nothing to do with Iran and is a crime to fly in Iran. The Kurdish flag is based on the Iranian flag it is even in the memories of the founders of the Mehbad Republic who wanted to showcase their Aryan and Mede heritage. Back then Kurds only had a oral history about their only know ancestors the Mede and Mede heritage, before other ancestors were accepted. The Sun is also very significant element of ancient Iranian and Zorasatrianism. Diyako is misleading everyone. Go to Kurdistan 20 years ago let alone 50 they will say we are Aryans and our own blood relatives are the Persians. The Kurdish flag is not banned in Iran and is based on Iranian colours. This user also claims the Iranians are only a lingustic group after he saw that the tide was against him that Kurds are in definition an Iranian people so he worked to undermine the definition of Iranian people and even Persians with user:Acuman.

69.196.139.250 21:10, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

The russion version of christmas has not its own article has nothing to with the Kurdish Newroz article. Kurdish Newroz is different than Farsi Norouz and deserves its own article. also farsi users have their own pov who may claim Adam and Eve were farsi or as they say Iranian. If you still think the POV of some farsis is more important for you then you can nominate the Kurdish Newroz for deletion. Sure there are more neutral wikipedians than you farsis.Diyako Talk + 21:30, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

First the difference of Kurdish Newroz and farsi Norouz is axplained in the article. You maybe still have not read it neutrally but try once. second as I had provided many sources in the talk page of persian people the real name of modern persian people is Farsi you can look at them if you have not done. as fars as i remember particularly tghos persians who call arabs lizard-eater refrain to call trhem farsi.

PS: I think I know you khoikhoi! Diyako Talk + 21:39, 19 March 2006 (UTC)