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Change The Picture!

Can someone please chnage the picture! That one is getting sooooooooooo old :( — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShawtyHellaDumb (talk • contribs) 18:53, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

✗ Not done Sorry no, this is the highest quality free picture that we have available of her, so this is what will be used. So it will not be changed. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 19:49, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

How about this one: http://www.keshasparty.com/sites/kesha6/files/imagecache/preview/camiseta-kesha-pixies.jpg It's from her official site. If someone just sends the webmaster an email requesting permission stating its for her wiki-page, and I'm sure they won't reject (will they?). The picture in the link suits her so much more then the picture presently used (which seems odd coloured as well). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jyggalag (talk • contribs) 17:07, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

If you can get her label/people to release the picture that would be great! 155.69.2.13 (talk) 23:31, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Ancestry

Her great-grandparents were from Hungary. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS5JAuYZCIY&feature=related — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.106.151.193 (talk) 18:53, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Sorry but Youtube is not a reliable source. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 19:35, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, but if she personally admits and recognize it in this video than you should pay attention not to write orbital nonsense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.0.151.121 (talk) 18:58, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

And if you haven't read our policy on reliable source you should do so, and not waste other's time, kapish? — Legolas 05:58, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

The problem is you (two) don't get it, but waste your and other's time as well about unnecessary and needless provocation. The most reliable source is Kesha herself, as she, and everybody else in the world knows about his origin and openly admits it, however all certificates, documents about her great-grand parents are accessible and researchable. That's all, and your so-called ,,policy" won't change facts or anything else (however I've read the policy, and it's the same category like the French capital is Paris). It has no connection to Youtube's reliability. Please stop this farisse behavior. Facts are facts. Bye-Bye — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.0.171.203 (talk) 17:07, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Thats nice, its still not being added tho. Find a reliable source and it will be added; until then have a nice day (: - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 22:27, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

You're funny men. So Kesha, her family etc. is NOT a reliable source for you...that's why sometimes wikipedia and some of it's editors are RI-DI-COU-LOUS. However no one asked the information to be added, just protested against discrediting facts even if the subject acknowledging it. Her maternal great-grandparents immigrated from Szentes, Hungary in 1913. Their family name was Kecse-Nagy. Pebe Sebert chosen the first name as a given name to be altered ,,Kesha". They were interviewed and openly admitted these facts in the T-mobile concert in Budapest, 25. June 2011. More than 10000 people were there, but as we know these eyewitnesses or official video records are ,,unreliable source" :D (however, in the court and the police these are the most important evidence) Funny and incredible! Poor! — Preceding unsigned comment added by KIENGIR (talk • contribs) 10:08, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Hold up, before this gets out of hand. Kesha's mouth/YouTube is not unreliable. I don't think there's a rule against YouTube, but in this case, the video is definitely not useable because it's a copyright violation (copyrighted material uploaded by non-copyright holders). Fixer23 (talk) 10:12, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Dear Fixer23, I can't stop laughing...:D:D:D So the facts are not important, but some considered ,,copyright laws" can change someones origin :D Don't care about youtube, more 10000 spectators, more official videos in the television, and it's offical (legal) web sites, etc. This behavior rememberes me the old dictatorships common custom, or some funny trials, where facts are not important, if you have a chance to prove that something is blue, although everybody know and can see with his own eyes that it is red :D I help you my friend: a content of a video is INDEPENDENT of copyright laws or if the uploaders are copyright holders or not, because in all cases the video's content WILL REMAIN THE SAME! Should we return to the Kindergarten? Please stop this total NONSENSE, or better see the doctor.

Thanks for your concern,hook me up with your doctor. (He's doing a great job with you, I can see you are very well adjusted after years of living under dictator rule.) I actually was speaking up for you and independently added what you were trying to add to the article, without a source as you said and I said it was not contentious. You're welcome by the way. Fixer23 (talk) 11:27, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Move to Kesha Sebert

Like Beyonce Knowles and Tupac Shakur, which keep their last names in the article title, would it be best to move Kesha to Kesha Sebert? WIKIPEDIAN PENGUIN 19:43, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

No, we go by stage name (EG:Lady Gaga), she is known as Kesha not Kesha Sebert. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 19:46, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Okay, understood. --WIKIPEDIAN PENGUIN 21:19, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Possible 3rd Album Songs

I don't understand why songs like "Shots On The Hood Of My Car" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sgzxhruDW8 and "31 Seconds Alone" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akfic0oJM6w are not included in the article. Even if they are not included in the album, I do think they should be mentioned as possible new material? Please correct me if i'm wrong, but i'm just trying to expand the article. --Jakeriederer (talk) 03:28, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Cause both are leaked left over songs from her first album and first ep, not from her second album. Per WP:RS + WP:COPYRIGHT youtube cannot be used as a source. WP:LEAK, songs leak daily its not something to be included. Hope that clears everything up. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 03:31, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! Yes it clears everything up.--Jakeriederer (talk) 23:01, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:52, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Kesha → Ke$ha – I'm aware that this has been discussed many times, with the article title remaining the same per MOS:TM, which advises against "special characters that are not pronounced, are included purely for decoration, or simply substitute for English words" (the dollar sign standing in for the letter s). And I was one of the first people arguing that it should be Kesha over Ke$ha back in 2009, but I've had a change of heart.

MOS:TM applies to trademarks, which I don't believe stage names/band names are, but that's a different discussion entirely. If you believe that the name "Ke$ha" falls under that guideline, we can just IAR it per the common practice that we use a subject's most common name (compare 47.5 million ghits for "Kesha" — which, may I note, does include some results not related to the singer — to 70.1 million for "Ke$ha"; most of these results are going to pertain to the singer). Even MOS:TM says at the top of the page, "Use common sense in applying it; it will have occasional exceptions." –Chase (talk / contribs) 20:50, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Forgot to add that this request may also affect the following articles:

• Kesha discography
• Animal (Kesha album)
• Sleazy (Kesha song)

–Chase (talk / contribs) 20:56, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

• Strong oppose - We do not pronounce her name Ke-dollarsigh-ha its Kesha, her legal name is Kesha Rose Sebert. $ is purely decorative. Its the same as P!nk which is Pink (singer), Lady Gaga as opposed to GaGa. So if we change this were going to change every Kesha to Ke$ha if every article? Absolutely not that is in direct violation of an WP:FL MOS rule (Kesha discography). I oppose this. $ is not a "trademark" you cannot legally own an $ or no one else in the world would be able to use it. Does Pink own "!"? does 3OH!3 own "!"? no. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 21:05, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

• The difference between this and Pink and Lady Gaga is that most reliable sources use Pink as opposed to P!nk, and Gaga as opposed to GaGa (Lady Gaga isn't even a special-character issue like this one, it's capitalization). Most reliable sources use Ke$ha and not Kesha. And as I said (and as you just said), I don't believe "Ke$ha" is a trademark which is why MOS:TM would not apply here, thus there would not be an MOS violation. –Chase (talk / contribs) 21:10, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

• "Kesha Rose Sebert (born March 1, 1987), better known mononymously as Kesha (pronunciation: /ˈkɛʃə/ kesh-ə, stylized Ke$ha)" completely suffices, this is an encyclopedia, not a decoration farm. Further, who knows if she will keep the $ forever? Could easily drop it if she so chooses. Besides this she is legally credited on her work as either Kesha or Kesha Rose Sebert. Kesha and Kesha Rose Sebert in all album booklets where all legal, trademark copyright credits are found. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 21:15, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

• And one of our policies on this encyclopedia is to use the name that is most well-known and most popular in third-party sources which is not "Kesha" in this case. Very few reliable publications refer to her as Kesha without the dollar sign unless they are noting her birth name. She could drop the dollar sign later, yes, but we can also change the article title later if that happens. Moving the page does not set this in stone forever. –Chase (talk / contribs) 21:21, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

• And if you read further in that "When there are several names for a subject, all of them fairly common, and the most common has problems, it is perfectly reasonable to choose one of the others". Kesha not Ke- dollarsign- ha, are you really going to get confused when googling "Kesha" as opposed to "Ke$ha"? No. My original argument still stands, the $ is purely decorative and is not encyclopedic so my oppose to this still stands. Now let others weigh in now please. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 21:36, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

• I'm not asking you to change your stance, I'm just responding to your points. I'd appreciate it if you didn't try to silence me. Regardless of how the name is pronounced, Ke$ha is still more prevalent in third-party sources and is the most common name, and MOS:TM's guidelines about not using decorative characters are guidelines, not policies, meaning that there can often be exceptions. –Chase (talk / contribs) 21:50, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

• And "Kesha" is not as common as "Ke$ha" when referring to the singer, as you implied in your last comment. –Chase (talk / contribs) 21:58, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

• And i believe readers have enough common sense to figure out Kesha is Ke$ha without having to use pure decoration. Considering that different languages have different symbols for the money-sign, where here its being pronounced as "S" in English, this is confusing to readers as they may not know to do this. I agree with your original point that we sure IAR and use common sense, and the most logical thing to do here would be to use Kesha in my opinion - which was my original point. Just my view, I wont comment further. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 22:28, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

• Support. She is "Ke$ha" to the New York Times, to the Washington Post and to Billboard. Amazon calls her "Ke$ha", and selling music is what she's all about. Kauffner (talk) 03:02, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose; this is not a rabbit hole we should be going down. Today it's an artist with a dollar sign in her name, tomorrow it's one with a middot, and next year it's one with a character from the Klingon alphabet. Powers 00:13, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose Unpronounceable vanity stylisation. --Ohconfucius 15:33, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

• It's not unpronounceable, it's pronounced the same as "Kesha". Perhaps vanity stylization, yes, but it's recognized by most reliable sources. –Chase (talk / contribs) 01:48, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose One of the guidelines for naming articles in Misplaced Pages, is for people to have the ability to find them as quickly as possible. So on that note, wouldn't people be more likely to type in "kesha" over "ke$ha"? Its kinda the same thing for Beyonce, where you would search using "beyonce" over "beyoncé" but unlike Kesha, the "é" is actually appart of her real name. Finally, the only reason many websites display her name using the Doller sign is cause they have caught onto the fact that she displays it that way. AnimatedZebra (talk) 14:03, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Alice Cooper

Should something be added about her doing work with Alice Cooper on one of his albums? 75.42.239.88 (talk) 01:56, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

I think so, but sometimes some editors would be against it because of 'lack of significance' etc. 155.69.2.13 (talk) 08:49, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

I agree that it should be mentioned, as it is the only worthwhile part of her "career". The fact that working with Alice Cooper is what inspired her to make a 'cock rock' album, as she states in the magazine that accompanied the limited editon of Alice's album, should also be mentioned. 86.174.165.138 (talk) 15:29, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Caption in "2009-2011: Animal and Cannibal"

"Kesha performing live on tour in 2010. Her aesthetic on stage was deliberatley unsophisticated."

'Deliberately' is misspelled.

Also, "Her aesthetic on stage was deliberately unsophisticated." seems vague, and is not neutrally toned; actually, it seems to be a bit defensive. Perhaps it should reference specific 'aesthetics' mentioned in the article, or be removed altogether? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.85.174.167 (talk) 22:19, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

It seems to be a paraphrase of a similar sentence in in the paragraph beside it? Fixer23 (talk) 23:55, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

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