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reverting edit on 14-11-2011 as facts are quoted as i have filed review petition on 25-2-2010 in Supreme Court of India.Do not mess up with people's lives as you have no foundation to edit the edits i have given ,whereas I have.

living in japan talking india. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mamtapolicedhody (talk • contribs)

Cthulhu in PC

Greetings Sir! Yes, I agree with you, but that's only half the battle. The part I object to is editors (particularly the IP's) diving in as soon as the protection template is lifted and leaving unsourced claims. Our fellow editors need to learn that statements need to be sourced. Given I spent hours sourcing everything else there I don't think that is an unreasonable ask. Even if something looks obvious, I would be prepared to pull it if someone hasn't bothered to go that extra step.

On an aside, don't forget we have to get back to the H.P Lovecraft template soon! Regards PurpleHeartEditor (talk) 02:46, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

But you don't actually have to source everything. For example, we don't provide sources for the plot summaries of movies, because the movie itself is "the source". The same thing seems to imply here: I don't understand why a sources in needed to demonstrate that a song called "Cthulhu sleeps" is about Cthulhu. This is really no different than not needing a source to say God Bless America is a song about the United States.

Regarding the template, it is in the back of my mind. I fell way behind on WP over the last week; once I catch up, it's on my list of things to do.Qwyrxian (talk) 02:57, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

True, not everything has to be sourced, and that's a good example. That said, the PC ephemera can all be easily sourced (e.g. courtesy of professional reviews) if the editor makes the effort. Regards PurpleHeartEditor (talk) 02:13, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

The RfC is up now. Qwyrxian (talk) 03:08, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks - I'll take another look. As another player has just appeared and voiced an opinion on the template, it looks to have a good outcome. Regards PurpleHeartEditor (talk) 03:43, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

Mohamed Aden Ighe (talk) 00:40, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Trivia or not?

Your opinion, please.

Someone has a lot of ceremonial functions, including at The Vatican & as Ambassador for the SMOM (3 citizens, 13k members, 80k volunteers). One specific, one-time event was that they acted as "chief witness" ("best man") at the marriage of a member of the British royal family. The member in question is 29th in line to the throne and a first cousin once removed of the Queen. Is that last role notable enough for inclusion in an article, or is it trivia more suited to Hello or some other magazine - Sitush (talk) 04:13, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and YGM - newspaper. - Sitush (talk) 04:29, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

I read the deletion discussion (I saw discussions about it on someone's userpage), but by the time I worked my way through several different articles, I found that I had no opinion at all. Or, perhaps a better way of putting it is that I have an opinion, but it has no basis in policy and thus I can't figure out how to express in wiki-terms. I do know that I am of the general opinion that being "noble" or "royal" does not excuse someone from needing to meet WP:GNG, and further that there are no independent notability guidelines for nobility/royalty, nor is there even an entry in WP:Common outcomes. Qwyrxian (talk) 04:53, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I was not thinking in terms of the deletion discussion. This issue arose after that started, specifically on the article talk pages. There' some socking/editing while logged out going on that will affect the AfD, but that is a different issue. - Sitush (talk) 04:57, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Future of the US Education Program and the Ambassador Project

There is a discussion about the future and the growth of the US education program along with the future of the Misplaced Pages Ambassador Project here. Voceditenore (talk) 07:43, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Who can delete?

Hey Qwyrxian - What is the policy for deleting a page previously nominated for deletion? For example, the Bahay_Kalinga page has had the deletion tag for >7 days. Can I delete it or is it the admin's job? Also, what about discussions like these, where the discussions have been languishing for almost 3 weeks now. Should we be waiting for an admin to close the discussion? Thanks... Veryhuman (talk) 19:31, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Only admins can delete pages (non-admins don't have the technical means to delete something). I see that the first page you mention has been tagged for more than seven days...but, oddly, it's not showing up on the report of pages with expired prods. I'm going to look into the technical problems in a moment. On the AfD, note that an admin has acted twice on the article--both User:Davewild and User:TParis decided that more discussion needed to occur. I don't think it should be relisted again, as there is always the option to close something as "No consensus" (which means the article wouldn't be deleted). The last relisting was on 15 November, so another admin should act on it sometime around 22 November. Qwyrxian (talk) 22:22, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. Helps the learning process  :) Veryhuman (talk) 18:55, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Jessica Lal

Just in case you are still watching the Jessica Lal article, yes, I know that I am at three reverts! There was an excess of info about one particular protest group that quite clearly was self-serving and similar stuff has been reappearing in the last few hours. We can make the point without naming the group, IMO. - Sitush (talk) 05:34, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

breaking a ban? hounding? jokerman?

If this is a violation of my ban as NotBW has suggested, please clear it up to me, but at any rate this seems to be clearly against that which was resolved here at the ANI about NotBW stop wiki-hounding me and even keeping far away from stalking my talk page. Or am I a really a "jokerman"? -- ClaudioSantos¿? 20:21, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, by the time I saw this, it was too late to take any action. this does seem to violate your topic ban, but it's over and past. Night of the Big Wind does need to just stop talking to you...but raising that issue now is both untimely and will only lead to more scrutiny towards yourself, which won't necessarily be pleasant. Qwyrxian (talk) 07:14, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

RFPP (Vijay Mallya & Kingfisher Airlines)

Thanks for your time. I will revert if there are any further issues noticed on these articles. Normally (for my knowledge), what should be the trigger point for raising such requests? Regards AKS (talk) 06:48, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

It varies based upon the admins judgment. For me, I look for a variety of different factors. If a page is right now experiencing repeated vandalism from more than one user, I'm comfortable immediately semi-protecting for a short time (31 hours usually) to stop the immediate problem. For longer term issues, it gets more complicated. If I see 4 or 5 distinct pieces of vandalism in a week, that's enough for me to protect for a few days to a week (depending on the details). If I see one or two a week, but it's happening every single week for a while, then I may also be inclined to try protection (with the length being long enough to try to "catch" the vandalizer the next time). If the page has been previously protected, my standards will go down, especially if its the same "type" of vandalism (and the period of protection will be longer). However, one additional factor that comes into play is whether or not there are other, "good" IP editors on the page. That is, if a high traffic page is getting a lot of "good" IP edits, even if there are regular problems from other IP editors, I'm less likely to protect, because I don't want to unnecessarily hurt the "good" editors. And finally, if the article is a WP:BLP (or, on any article, if the vandalism is specifically demeaning a specific living person), then my standards go down (I'm more likely to protect sooner), because we have to be especially sensitive to damaging the lives of real people. That's why I was actually a little more inclined to protect Vijay Mallya...but since the vandalism was mostly about his company, rather than him directly, I figured it was just barely safe enough to not protect. Qwyrxian (talk) 07:09, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Enquiry ref: a blocked user

Qwyrxian, ref: the block of User:Daneto, I wonder if I might illuminate a little of the problem. Daneto is referencing User:DIREKTOR who has a habit of trolling, accusing and harassing editors. He did it to me and I very nearly got disciplined just for defending myself. I walked away, but Daneto is being stalked by DIREKTOR. If this has anything to do with his block, I can understand why Daneto has posted to users who have also been victimised by DIREKTOR. I hope I haven't done more harm than good. Please reply on my talk page; I have so many issues I'm juggling right now! Thank you. Djathinkimacowboy 08:24, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Hello. You have a new message at Djathinkimacowboy's talk page. Djathinkimacowboy 11:25, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Qwyrxian, please refrain from using labels such as "problem-editor". User:Djathinkimacowboy is a new user that has, from the start and without provocation, behaved extremely inappropriately towards myself, and continues to post these sort of slanderous threads all over Misplaced Pages where he likes to "accuse people of excessively accusing people" and throw various absurd claims like "WP:TROLLING", "WP:STALKING" and even "WP:EDIT-WARRING" where no reverts were made at all - all without any kind of basis in reality. He quite obviously does not understand Misplaced Pages policy (I'm "stalking" someone?), and since he has something against me, he feels it is ok to slander people however he feels like. He no doubt thinks I am "stalking" him by defending myself against this veritable defamation campaign. --DIREKTOR 11:44, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, well, okay. How about I say, "an editor who has been the subject of many ANI reports, and whose behavior has often been criticized in those reports"? Oh, or, "an editor who has been blocked edit warring numerous times"? My use of "problem-editor" was simply a short-hand for these points. I do not believe that I made any comments about your behavior in this particular instance, so my apologies if you felt I was impugning you on this specific issue. Qwyrxian (talk) 12:44, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Was the use of short-hands of that sort necessitous? Or could you have tried to express yourself without evaluating the entirety of a user's contribution to this project in two words? You know, I've had enough. I don't even remember having met you, Qwyrxian, and here you are developing a decidedly negative view about me. I am an editor of five years with some 35,000 edits to my name, but because of User:Djathinkimacowboy, who joined this month, and his slanderous thread-posting campaign all over admin talkpages, people like you are calling me "problem editor"! Next thing you know Jimbo will be telling him to "try his best to put up with me". I didn't want to waste my time, but every time I see Djathinkimacowboy on my watchlist he's posting stuff like the above. I'm through putting up with this, its going up on ANI. --DIREKTOR 13:31, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Coordinates

hello! Please help. I found the coordinates of a place somewhere as below:

latitude: 30.35602 longitude: 74.68834

but how to write them in minutes and secondes? I know about the first one of each that 30 and 74, i know that are called degrees ("latd" on wiki), but there is two other options ask "latm = " and "lats = " same with longitude. Howy to write the coordinates mentioned above in this format?? With thanks Tari 12:46, 24 November 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by TariButtar (talk • contribs)

Well, looking at Template:Infobox City, you can use either decimal or degrees/minutes/seconds, Since you already have the decimal version, just put it into the latd and longd parameters. If you want to use the other format, then first you need to convert from decimal degrees to the minute/second equivalent. I found a tool from the US government that will do the conversion for you: . For your coordinates above, it says that the equivalent d/m/s format is lat: 30° 21' 21.672" and long: 74° 41' 18.0234". Using that, you would set

latd = 30 latm= 21 lats=21.672

And similarly or longd/m/s. One thing I'm not sure of is if lats/longs can take a decimal number; if not, just round to the nearest decimal.

Does that answer your question? Qwyrxian (talk) 00:09, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Anita Lerche

Hello – just thought I'd drop by and say thank you for joining in on the Anita Lerche page. I stumbled across the article by accident just after it had been put together by User:TariButtar, and decided to try to make some improvements. I thought it was worth mentioning to you that although I appear to have reverted one of your edits (but only after adding a reference), I agree with the changes you’ve made and appreciate your participation in trying to knock this little article into shape. Best regards — Hebrides (talk) 09:13, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome. My own involvement there was even more accidental; I had left a note before on TariButtar's page regarding his undiscussed title change on Jat people, which I reverted. That left his page on my watchlist. Soon thereafter, I saw a bot notifying him to stop removing Speedy Deletion tags from an article which he had created. Whenever I see something like that, I get worried about the editor and start checking into their contributions. At this point, I'm still concerned, because TariButtar is doing an awful lot of article work and almost no discussion. But, some of his work is certainly helpful, in that he appears to be adding some good information about currently uncovered topics related to India. So, hopefully everything will work out right on the end.

No worries on the reversion; I do a lot of removal of unsourced and POV info from articles, and I don't mind at all when people replace the removed text with properly sourced, neutral versions. Sometimes I actually get into a "building" mode...but I often working in micro-spurts without time for that kind of work (plus I can only access online sources). If you're interested in her as a singer, I know that the article on Heer from Denmark needs sources; I did a quick search online to confirm that they exist, but actually adding the info is down at the bottom of my "to do" list. Qwyrxian (talk) 10:17, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

I'll have a quick look at Heer from Denmark now (it's my lunch break :) — Hebrides (talk) 13:24, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

oh! There is a discussion about me. Thanks both of you guys. And dear, Qwyrxian! You've written "but some of his work certainly helpful...", please tell me which?? I wanna know, bcz i'm not so experiensed and that may help me improve. You'r welcome on my talk page. With Thanks! Tari Buttar. —Preceding undated comment added 13:16, 24 November 2011 (UTC).

ANI report regarding MangoWong

You are not named specifically here but many of the linked items include your comments/administrative intervention, and comments about you also. Just a courtesy note. - Sitush (talk) 02:10, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Wiki Article: Ali Ibn Abi Talib

Please check my comments on http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Ali#Aparytai.27s_additions

and make sure that wiki's standards are adhered. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mutawassam (talk • contribs) 06:44, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Tim Kash

There is an OTRS ticket... 2011112410001564. It's not terribly germane, I think, I just happened to see the ticket and went to look at the article. Since I came across it in the course of work, I didn't want to use my volunteer admin rights. Thanks for the protection. :) Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 07:04, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I just opened a sock puppet investigation (that's clearly all one user, or maybe a closely knit group of meatpuppets). The thing is, I actually think the sockpuppeteer is correct here in terms of BLP, even/especially if that is, in fact, Kash. Thanks for the info. Qwyrxian (talk) 07:16, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

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Blackvisionit/137.204.148.73 connection

Blackvisionit is in italy. http://members.fortunecity.it/blackvisionit/emufdd_en.htm redirects to his web page, and you said "Blackvisionit has stated that Powerlife was used during a transition between it.wiki and en.wiki"

IP Address 137.204.148.73 resolves to proxy-almanet.cib.unibo.it That's the Universita' degli Studi di Bologna, a University in Bologna, Italy.

On Blackvisionit's website, under "University material" are several papers labeled "Bologna" I don't know enough Italian to narrow it down to the university.

IP 137.204.148.73 may have been assinged to different different users at different times, but is clearly the present user from at least 14 October 2011 where it was used to re-insert the pinout table that was originally put there by Blackvisionit when he created the page (Note the same background:whitesmoke;color:black tags)

The above was a re-insertion of the table after it was deleted by Rwessel

Previous to that (same day) the same table was added by IP address 130.136.4.212 130.136.4.212 Which also resolves to cs.unibo.it - the same University in Bologna

Administrator User:HelloAnnyong determined that the IP addresses 79.45.39.176, 93.48.130.200, 93.48.143.214 and 93.48.129.148 were "clearly the same person - or working in collusion with each other"

79.45.39.176 resolves to host176-39-dynamic.45-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it That's the Telecom Italia regional hub in Verona, Italy, headquartered 100 kilometers from Bologna (confirmed through http://www.ip-adress.com/)

The three 93.48 IP addresses are from Fastnet Italy. They are in Bolzano, Rovereto, and Trento Italy, in the same region as Bologna and Verona. --Guy Macon (talk) 18:30, 25 November 2011 (UTC)