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Fails WP:BIO. Subject of article notable only because of suicide and events surrounding it. ScottyBerg (talk) 18:36, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Note: This is the first AfD for this article. Previous AfD was for a fictional character of the same name. ScottyBerg (talk) 18:37, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

• Delete I originally put a prod2 with "sad as this story is, it's a classical case of BLP1E. In addition, the article reads more like an attack piece on the Savages and The Communications Clinic". This still holds. --Guillaume2303 (talk) 18:56, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
• Keep.

Keep Keep Not only did the subject of this article play an important, and cited, role in Ireland during the US Election but she was also active in Irish political life. I have just added citations confirming this. I've looked at this article and if anything it's being far too kind about the role of The Communications Clinic. There are many places on the internet which are far more straightforward. 89.101.59.188 (talk) 19:41, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:54, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:55, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

• Keep - This young woman had a promising future in Irish public life. In addition, the manner in which the paper has handled her article has become a matter of public discussion in itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nodin (talk • contribs) 21:01, 3 December 2011 (UTC) This template must be substituted.

• If that is true, then there could conceivably be an article on the handling of the article, it doesn't make Fitzgerald notable, though. --Guillaume2303 (talk) 22:16, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

• Keep Clearly notable, but the article can be improved. Night of the Big Wind _talk 21:19, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

• Would you mind explaining why you think that this does not fall under WP:BLP1E? --Guillaume2303 (talk) 22:16, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Because it was a big thing in the Irish newspapers. Not for a day, but for a prolonged period. For the rest, see the statements op 89.101 and MoyrossLady. Night of the Big Wind _talk 23:49, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Adding too it, on the name "Kate Fitzgerald" you get a 100.000 internet hits and 102 Google News hits. Especially the Google News hits are remarkable, due to the fact that Google News its focus on the USA. Night of the Big Wind _talk 10:13, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

• I get 9 GNews hits (using "Kate Fitzgerald"), 4 of them about other persons with the same name and all about the one event. Searching the web, although 99,000 results are indicated, they boil down to 620 hits if you scroll to the end. Several of those are for a UMass professor and an actress of the same name, among several others. --Guillaume2303 (talk) 10:39, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

• (Personal attack removed) ScottyBerg (talk) 23:29, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

• Delete. The page feels a little bit like a memorial page, and there are the issues compounded by WP:BLP1E. As an aside, I recognize that BLP1E notes living persons (which, regretfully, Ms. Fitzgerald is no longer), but the situation that remains is that she is only notable for one event. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 22:52, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
• Keep I really hate the idea that she's been branded a liar with no evidence to support that. Maybe it's true, but the IT should not apologise to the employer without telling us exactly why. — Preceding

unsigned comment added by Meemeep (talk • contribs) 23:00, 3 December 2011 (UTC) — Meemeep (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

• Keep - for next few weeks subject of multiple national newspaper articles. subject of prime time national TV interview (RTE 1, 3 Dec) and of national radio interviews (Newstalk). Subject of this article is linked with senior national figures in public life in Ireland, possibly leading to a much larger story revolving around the behaviour and ethical conflicts of a dominant PR company that both advises many national politicians from all parties and also runs the national broadcaster. MoyrossLADY (talk) 23:12, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
  • Comment Misplaced Pages is WP:NOT#NEWS. 'Misplaced Pages considers the enduring notability of persons and events' and 'While including information on recent developments is sometimes appropriate, breaking news should not be emphasized or otherwise treated differently from other information'. -Rushyo 00:24, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:BLP1E which specifically deals with this case. Any notability as a matter of media handling or other such events may or may not be deserving of their own articles. Outside the single event does not appear to me (as a relatively uninterested third-party) to have WP:N having considered the arguments noted above and the content of article itself. -Rushyo 00:20, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

I think that technically what's applicable is WP:1E, which is pretty much the same as BLP1E. ScottyBerg (talk) 02:22, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

• Delete Utterly trivial. Not notable during life, and not ntable for circumstances of her depth. Minor media issue. conceivably worth a dsentence in the article on the Irish Times. DGG ( talk ) 03:07, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
• Keep - Kate was not only a major player in the Irish politics scene, but the events surrounding her suicide and the media response to it are of major importance to an Irish audience. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drg85 (talk • contribs) 05:08, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
• Keep. The information contained here is a valuable resource for those looking for information not otherwise available on a significant occurrence in Ireland. CatInDeHat — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.198.10.31 (talk) 12:18, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
• Keep Kate's death has triggered worthwhile debate on suicide in Ireland. ciarawalshe This template must be substituted.
• Delete - Falls under WP:BLP1E, and unfortunately the E is her suicide. Tragic case but not notable. Snappy (talk) 15:13, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
• Keep Nobody deserves to be killed twice nor to be the target of tittle-tattle. -- ClaudioSantos¿? 17:04, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

• Suggestion: What about renaming it to Death of Kate Fitzgerald? Her parents have just been on TV talking about depression and suicide in The Brendan O'Connor Show on national television so she has caused debate on these topics.

Keep — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.105.241 (talk) 18:02, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

• Keep Misplaced Pages's notability criteria state "A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of multiple published non-trivial secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject" - we have the IT, the Independent, Broadsheet.ie and too many blogs to count, not including radio and tv interviews with her family. This story has hit a nerve with the Irish public and has contributed towards a greater discussion of suicide and depression.

In my opinion it's important on that basis and also because it's making many people take a closer look at the independence and ethics of our media. The story is still unfolding and may have over-arching effects for the Irish Times and the CC. Keep it for everyone who's searching for information about this story and can no longer trust that articles haven't been re-edited on request by one of the parties. I understand the issues with WP:1E but it seems to me that Kate Fitzgerald's name is so tied up with the discussion to remain relevant. CV

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