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=== Statement by Peter Cohen === === Statement by Peter Cohen ===
The wheel-warring also means that Malleus can't respond to this request. Now, what was that phrase that Malleus used to descrobe some admins?--] (]) 15:39, 22 December 2011 (UTC) The wheel-warring also means that Malleus can't respond to this request. Now, what was that phrase that Malleus used to describe some admins?--] (]) 15:39, 22 December 2011 (UTC)


=== Statement by Optimist on the run === === Statement by Optimist on the run ===

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Demi Moore

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Malleus Fatuorum

Initiated by Alexandria (chew out) at 14:38, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

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Statement by Alexandria

Alright, I think this has gone on way too long to not end up here. Malleus Fatuorum has a long history of incivility, nastiness, and other sorts of undesirable behavior, leading to an extensive block (and unblock) log. Because of his comments on WT:RFA, Thumperward blocked him indef due to this history. After a brief ANI discussion, John proceeded to unblock Malleus. After more discussion on ANI, Hawkeye7 then reblocked Malleus for a week. I am willing to unblock Malleus for discussion here only unless clear consensus arises to have him unblocked fully before the week is up. I'm requesting this case to look at A. Malleus's behavior and B. the wheel warring that occurred. I'm not aware of any RFCs at the moment but the long extensive history of this to me warrants a full ArbCom case.

Comment by Scott MacDonald

Hey, ho. Those with wiki-memories as long as mine will groan at this. This is the perennial civility blocks on committed users quagmire - I trust arbcom have the collective memory enough to remember this timesink from old Giano cases etc.

  1. Given cultural and temperamental differences, civility cannot be objectively codified
  2. Civility blocks will thus always be contentious - and when used on long-standing users, there will always be a friendly admin willing to unblock
  3. The difficulty of the subject allows a few users (who should know better) to be deliberately rude with impunity (gaming the fault in the system)
  4. Given this, civility blocks on long-standing users almost always cause more drama than what they are trying to prevent
  5. However, a ban on civility blocks on long-standing users will be seen by most as a green-flag to rudeness, and to render WP:CIVIL impotent

Strongly advise arbcom NOT to take this case: not because there's not a underlying disruptive issue - but because there is no solution.

Statement by Cube lurker

This case should be titled Hawkeye7. Hawkeye7 wheelwared reinstating a block that had been undone per ANI consensus. Hawkeye7 claimed ANI consunsus to reblock when clearly none existed. This personal attack by the blocker refering to the blockee demonstrates the malicious abusiveness of this block. Action is needed regarding the clear issues of abusive use of tools.--Cube lurker (talk) 14:55, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Statement by Reaper Eternal

As I mentioned before, Hawkeye7 (talk · contribs) wheel-warred against community consensus. As can be seen on the version of WP:ANI at the time of the weeklong block (7:17 GMT 22 Dec. 2011), consensus was strongly in favor of removing the original indefblock. Granted, Malleus's blatant personal attack was unacceptable, but given the inappropriate blocks it is understandable. (This is the reason for WP:COOLDOWN—they simply don't work.) Thanks. Reaper Eternal (talk) 15:06, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Statement by Peter Cohen

The wheel-warring also means that Malleus can't respond to this request. Now, what was that phrase that Malleus used to describe some admins?--Peter cohen (talk) 15:39, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Statement by Optimist on the run

N.B. I drafted the comment below to add to ANI while my computer was offline - when it came back the disccusion had been closed and moved here. I therefore paste my comment verbatim below.

I do not recall having any dealings with Malleus in the past, until I came across this edit yesterday, in reponse to what I consider to be a perfectly legitimate question. Now as we all know, most actions, both by admins and ordinary users, can be reverted without problems. The one thing that can't be undone is to drive good editors away from the project. Unless Malleus knows User:Kaldari] well, and knew that his comment wouldn't cause offense, there is a good risk that such an edit would do this. My first reaction on seeing this was to revert it and leave a template on what I assumed was a new user. I was surprised to find out that Malleus was a regular, so I left a stern rebuttal below the comment instead.

I see Malleus has had many blocks, most of which have been shortened before running to full time. In my opinion, Malleus is therefore not learning from this that such behaviour is not acceptable. My proposal is that he is given a final warning that any future outburst, whether warranted or not, will be met with an indefinite block (remembering that indefinite does not necessarily mean infinite). Malleus may make good contributions, but if he drives away other good editors, then he is making a net loss to the project.  An optimist on the run! 15:34, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Statement by SarekOfVulcan

It should be noted that there are probably people who would have supported the block and chose to say nothing on the grounds that they knew it would do no good, because someone would come along and undo the block regardless of what they said, because hey, it's Malleus, that's just how he is, and besides, OMGWTFCONTENTCONTRIBUTOR!!!!11!!!!!!! --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 15:45, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

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