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Flowers

Go Gerda Girl

You do great work and I love it! Don't let Tony get to you. Ihre Arbeit ist grossartig. Weiter schreiben, eien lange Zeit. PS, I really liked the article about the church the communists blew up. BarkingMoon (talk) 11:50, 19 June 2011 (UTC) Sehr geehrte Gerda, I have a watch on your page since a few weeks ago. I approved and moved 167 to holding for June 24.BarkingMoon (talk) 12:11, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:13, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Keine Problem. Koennen Sie ueberpruefen DYK Noel F. Parrish? Danke. BarkingMoon (talk) 12:14, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Later, yes, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:24, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

See my talk page. Thanks so much! BarkingMoon (talk) 11:13, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

On 30 December 2011 the article became a GA, thanks to Ched Davis, PumpkinSky and MathewTownsend, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:40, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Flowers!

For your wonderful comment, cutting right to the heart of the matter!

cmadler (talk) 13:18, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Bach Cantatas Award

	Bach Cantatas Award
	For your work on Bach cantata articles, I hereby award you this barnstar! :) ♫GoP♫TN 16:35, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

BWV 1

Hi

Thanks for the corrections about the DVD of the J.S. Bach Foundation.

However, I don't agree with your comment "it's on bach cantatas like the others". This recording, as well as all the other recording in the collection, is part of a very large project: performing all of Bach's vocal work within a time-frame of around 25 years. Moreover, the J.S. Bach Foundation does not only play the music. Every concert (one per month) includes a workshop on the evening's cantata plus a reflection lecture on the text (which are also on the DVD). So it is not just any recording. Someone who would like to learn about the piece, to get to know it really in depth, not just on a musical level, might be interested to know this offer exists.

The website is www.bachstiftung.ch .

Please tell me how to make the most important parts of this info appear in the listing.

Kind regards, Polqay (talk) 14:29, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. This probably should appear elsewhere, like other projects (Bach Cantata Pilgrimage), let's say on Bach cantata. I don't have much time now. Please feel free to insert it there. But perhaps you want to write an article on Mr. Lutz first and/or the foundation? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:48, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Ok, that's a good idea. May I at least mention after a title that it is a DVD (between brackets) and also add "J.S. Bach Foundation" in the end? This way it can be linked to the article. After the holidays, I might write an article as you suggested. Then I will inform you. Polqay (talk) 15:06, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Go ahead. Did you see that there is a pdf link to follow on the bach-cantatas entry, like for Koopman and Gardiner? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:30, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Great ideas = Great things

Meine Freundin, anschauen -- hier PumpkinSky talk 19:07, 31 December 2011 (UTC), und auch Jesi's page. Danke fur die Hilfe. PumpkinSky talk 19:14, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Translated, now please you sign that, and then ask Jesi if the translation is formal enough, and you may want to say there, that you prefer communication for KürbisHimmel in German, PumpkinSky in English, or Warum else, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:03, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Happy New Year

	And Let them Eat Buche
	Happy new year Gerda, and I hope that everything goes swimmingly this year. By the way, I noticed that we don't have an article on the Bad Godesberg Music School. Do you think that should change? ;-) Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:54, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, will consider. But first Liebfrauenkirche, Halle (not mine, but nom my idea) for GA, then next Bach cantata for next Sunday, Marius van Altena for DYK, possibly also Georg Christian Lehms (donedone) and Ahasverus Fritsch, also Dieter Thomas Heck. Bad Godesberg is small, what makes the school notable? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:27, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

• At least one notable alumnus, and if it is a formal school (like a gymnasium-type thing) it may be automatically notable. Only reason I've heard of it is from working on the article on the alumnus. Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:18, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

G. C. Lehms

Many thanks for the DYK nomination! Our man Lehms is actually quite an interesting character. I am afraid I am getting lazy and often don't get around to the DYK page. Moonraker (talk) 20:18, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the pic, I went to add the poetesses title page, but it looks not convincing small size. You don't have to visit the nominations page, I thought you would watch "him" and put the nom on the talk (will take it away once it appears). Perhaps I will add a bit on Bach's cantatas, like times. I took them to his German article, they had just three! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:24, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I saw the three over there and they gave me the idea of a similar list here. It didn't occur to me to go back to improve it. Greetings, Moonraker (talk) 23:15, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

May I suggest this, to give the period flavour? (At the time, English used capitals even more liberally than German)... I have parachuted in "Demonstrating", which is clearly implied. If you prefer, it could also be "". Moonraker (talk) 09:10, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Wonderful, take it, please, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:15, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Have added. I'm not entirely sure what exactly Lehms and his contemporaries would have considered to be the meaning of Teutschland or Deutschland, but I dare say the word "Germany" in English has the same hidden depths. Moonraker (talk) 09:43, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

I will try to help

Hi Gerda, Hope you are well. I don't speak German, so I must rely on a website to translate at times. I use: translate.google.com. In reply to your question on the DYK fire template, "bickering" I believe has the same definition in English - basically "arguing, fighting, etc." Hope that helps .. I will post the other translations where you asked the question. cheers — Ched :  ?  13:48, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

on second thought, if the DYK is now going forward, I'll post here: the words you asked about translate to: "unrepentant, incorrigible and impervious to advice" in English. And you're thoughts are not lost on me. :) — Ched :  ?  13:51, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:45, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

German-English

You asked for an English translation of "uneinsichtig, unbelehrbar und beratungsresistent". Without consulting a dictionary, I translate those words as "uninsightful, unteachable, and resistant to advice", but there may be a more nuanced or idiomatic meaning that I am missing. The single English word that comes to mind to describe that set of characteristics is "pig-headed" (that is probably not an English word you know, but I think it is a word you will enjoy). I also think of the Misplaced Pages item WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT.

Your English is much better than my Deutsch, so I am happy when I can help you expand your knowledge. I didn't respond on the page where you asked the question because I think it is a bad idea to continue the argument ("bickering") there. Also, I think it is best to avoid making accusations against people, because that often makes people angry, while failing to help them see the problem. (See Misplaced Pages:Avoid personal remarks.) --Orlady (talk) 14:54, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

I certainly enjoyed the new word and your sensible way of handling the case. I just asked words, didn't I? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:00, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

• Yeah, but "pig-headed" has more negative connotations than "hard-headed" or "stubborn". I will not choose a term to apply to this situation, per one of the above cited policies. Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:20, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Learning, thank you! (Just approved your Aku hook), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:24, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

• Alright, thanks! Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:11, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

"impervious" rings a bell: "impervious to pain, up to a certain point" (The Fountainhead), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:26, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Orlady, einsicht is indeed insight or understanding, but in this context uneinsichtig is nearer to "unreasonable". I suggest "unreasonable, incorrigible, and impervious to advice". Pig-headed is good. Moonraker (talk) 09:56, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for more insight, on top of your brilliant idiomatic translation of the 1715 text about the (equal) skills of females to study, see above, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:57, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Please do the same for the cantata texts' title, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:09, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Not quite sure which title... is that it? Moonraker (talk) 09:57, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, little difference, title not of any single cantata (many did that before), but of his volume Das singende Lob Gottes, in einem Jahrgang andächtiger und Gottgefälliger Kirch-Music, my humble attempt "The singing praise of God, in an annual of reverent church music pleasing God", --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:29, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Ah, yes, I realized you meant that just before your reply. My first attempt is "The Hymning of God, in an Annual Volume of devotional Church Music pleasing to God", will that do? (NB, "hymn" means "song of praise".) Moonraker (talk) 10:35, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Beautiful, especially "devotional". Just "hymn", you and I know that it means "song of praise", but will the general reader? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:37, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I think the general reader's understanding of "hymn" is near enough to the true meaning that there is no problem. (He would probably understand something quite inaccurate from the use of "Teutschland" and "Germany", but there it is, we cannot explain all the the nuances of every word we use! It's always the choice of the least-worst option.) As Robert Frost said, "poetry is what gets lost in translation". Moonraker (talk) 10:52, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

New day, taken, all of it. Only for my erudition: why do you prefer "Hymning" to "The Singing Praise", which the subtlety that "singing" is said not about the people who sing but about "praise"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:47, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Paul Fleming (poet)

Thanks for your note. I'm just expanding this man, thus discovering the lack of a page for In allen meinen Taten, BWV 97... You have gone so far with the Bach cantatas that a missing longer one comes as a surprise! Moonraker (talk) 22:13, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

I go by liturgical year, not size, BWV 13 was a nice coincidence! 97 is listed as "All occasions" - that's a section I rarely look because there are so many others. Thanks for expanding! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:21, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Ah, I see. I'm struggling to think of a hook for Paul Fleming. Moonraker (talk) 22:57, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

I thought of something in the line of ... physician and poet ... Persia and Russia ... lovesongs published after his death.? I'll try now. The influence of Opitz might be mentioned in the article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:01, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes, there's sure to be a better source. I understood it as five years altogether. I'll try to find a more reliable source tomorrow and will add more on Opitz, but must go now, I have an early start tomorrow. Moonraker (talk) 23:39, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

I have found some much better sources, and the truth is much more complicated than the present hook suggests. I think you'll find enough now to improve on it. Regards, Moonraker (talk) 20:09, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

The more complicated truth is not easily told in 200 chars, you could suggest an ALT. I tried to link the places a little closer to history. Is there a source for the posthumous publishing of the love-songs? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:37, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Found: "Wer sich der Weisheit ganz ergiebet, der liebet recht und wird geliebet." --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:14, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

That does the trick. He "spent six years of his short life on a diplomatic mission from Holstein to Russia and Persia" is clearly correct, even if a large part of the time was an intermission in Reval. I'll add this to the article, would you like to amend the hook to quote this source instead? Moonraker (talk) 23:22, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

On the other hand, you might like to adopt this to replace the present hook: "...that while the German poet Paul Fleming (pictured) was on a diplomatic mission from Holstein to Persia, his fiancée in Swedish Estonia married another man?" Moonraker (talk) 23:42, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Goodness, In allen meinen Taten has gone blue! Moonraker (talk) 23:48, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

The basics are easy, and "general purpose" can appear anytime. At some point I will expand it. Watch the nom. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:01, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

How to incorporate the German online biographies ADN and NDB? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:50, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Indeed, Gerda, good thinking. I hadn't found them... do you have links? Moonraker (talk) 12:37, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

They are both templates on de. I don't know if there are equivalents in English or if you have to copy the result. For the German "DNB-Portal" there is the English equivalent "DNB portal" (copy from Fleming and take to wherever it's useful), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:55, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Latest pear and purple Yogo sapphire photos

See Talk:Yogo_sapphire#Latest_pear_and_purple_photos. Hope you think they're better, and just in time for the Great Wiki Blackout of jan 2012! PumpkinSky talk 01:05, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

What do you mean, "better"? Stunning, extraordinary, brilliant! - Did you know that a recent German stamp series shows a ruby, an emerald and a saphire? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:56, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Johan van der Meer (conductor)

On 20 January 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Johan van der Meer (conductor), which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Johan van der Meer conducted the first historically informed performance in the Netherlands of Bach's St Matthew Passion in 1973, with Marius van Altena as the Evangelist and Max van Egmond as the Vox Christi? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 08:30, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Dessauer

I started John H. Dessauer and Hans Dessauer.. I laughed so hard when somebody tagged the John H. article for "notability". LOL!!!. I've invited my good friend Rosiestep to work on the John H. article, we could develop that one together.. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:32, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks so much. Three of us then, funny edit conflicts. I laugh with you: notability! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:36, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Ja ja, sehr lustig :( Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:47, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Date of emigration needs to be found and sourced, no Nazis in power in 1926. "Daraufhin" in the German WP is a VERY vague term. 1936 is in my head, but I also will have to look for a source. - OK, if obituaries say 1929, that is sourced. But so far I understood he could not enter the "family company" (better term please) because of his Jewish ancestors, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:54, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes I know. German wikipedia inplied he took over the company in 1936 and left Germany during the Nazi's like 1937 or 1938. However the obituries and book sources say 1929 not 1926. Which is why I changed it to 1929 and it makes sense given his employment record in the states. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:48, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Taken. I didn't mean to say 1926, the opposite, "daraufhin" can mean a LONG time after 1926. It's fine to stick with the sources. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:51, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Can you check Friedrich von Keller (diplomat). First part is OK but about half way through it the translation got weird.. That kills two birds with one stone anyway.. Do we have an article on the Stuttgart Academy, if not can you find me a German wiki link? Will tackle some awards later but right now I have some Russian districts to sort out..♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:50, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Just looked at Keller, you are fast, so am I. Which Academy do you mean, the Internationale Bachakademie Stuttgart is the one I know, with Rademann as the designated chef, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:58, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Staatliche Akademie der Bildenden Künste Stuttgart, this one I guess, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:11, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Looking at Keller links, I found they had him die in 1938 here (fixed), and that article would need sections, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:27, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, yeah Staatliche Akademie der Bildenden Künste Stuttgart that's the one. How are we missing such articles, its crazy.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:16, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Thankyou Gerda, they'd be little without your diligence though.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:08, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Started the first two but the translation for Berliner Kunstpreis needs sorting out. I left the German text at the bottom for comparison.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:36, 22 January 2012 (UTC) I know this is a bit off the beaten track but can you help correct Mueang Sing, Laos, sometimes they translate badly, German still has a long way to go. If you can I'll sort out sourcing and improvement and conominate for a DYK and add sources like this. I'll fill in some more links later..♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:31, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps tomorrow, choir rehearsal tonight Knut Nystedt, improved Horst Janssen and kestnergesellschaft, the latter needs more work, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:36, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Hokay. I would really appreciate it though if you could find time later in the week to translate it as I think I have enough info to compile something decent on this..♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:06, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for that.♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:57, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

I just started one more family member, Rupprecht von Keller, - not at all familiar with the ranks of diplomats, not even in German, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:01, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Hello there Gerda ...

Actually the word putsch was new to me as well. A secret plot to overthrow a government is the easiest way I can put it. Similar I guess to a Coup d'état if you're familiar with that phrase. — Ched :  ?  15:10, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

I asked putch, I should have guessed it's Putsch. Thanks for the garment! I will not wear it for our friend's funeral. Please check that article and related ones for English, if you have a moment, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:15, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

I will take a look ASAP. I'll also probably ask for your input in a few weeks on the Kimo Williams article. I know you prefer the classical music, but I don't know any of the music editors here. Cheers and best. — Ched :  ?  15:23, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Was mein Gott will, das g'scheh allzeit

BWV 123, BWV 124, BWV, 13, BWV 97, BWV 111...Ouch! What an overwhelming load of work you're providing me with ; Even Schubert didn't write at that speed!! This template must be substituted, see Template:Smile for instructions LouisAlain (talk) 13:19, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

But Bach wrote at that speed, smiling back. If you want more work, I was helped - as you probably noticed - to poets Georg Christian Lehms, Christian Keymann and Paul Fleming, DYK? (Last DYK pending.) I recommend that you also look for helpers, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:37, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

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We need to have an article (not a DAB) on Missa solemnis in general, as Missa brevis, eventually I will take care of it, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:19, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Guido Dessauer

On 23 January 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Guido Dessauer, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Guido Dessauer (pictured), a German executive and art collector, registered more than 30 patents in paper technology and started the career of Horst Janssen as a lithographer? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Guido Dessauer.You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 08:02, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Paul Fleming (poet)

On 24 January 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Paul Fleming (poet), which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that poet and physician Paul Fleming (pictured) wrote love-poems to his fiancée, but she married another man while he was on a diplomatic mission for the Duke of Holstein in Isfahan? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Paul Fleming (poet). If you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Best Wishes from me and the wiki. Thanks Victuallers (talk) 16:02, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

And thank you again for your help with the nomination. Moonraker (talk) 04:04, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

SLA

Hallo Gerda, wie stelle ich denn hier einen Schnelllöschantrag für eine verschobene Seite? User:Symposiarch/Germain Metternich BG--Symposiarch (talk) 21:51, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Meinst du Template:Db? Oben auf die Seite, mit Begründung. - Danke für die Jahrhundert-Korrektur! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:00, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Ja genau das meine ich. Gute n8--Symposiarch (talk) 22:02, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Gute n8? Ganz guy. Oder, man kann ein Admin-Freund zu fragen->User:Amalthea. Und er ist ein Deutscher ;-) PumpkinSky talk 23:37, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

DYK for In allen meinen Taten, BWV 97

On 25 January 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article In allen meinen Taten, BWV 97, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that in his 1734 cantata for no specified occasion of the liturgical year, In allen meinen Taten, BWV 97, Bach set nine stanzas of Paul Fleming's hymn in as many movements, using the famous tune in the outer two? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/In allen meinen Taten, BWV 97.You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Orlady (talk) 16:03, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

• Much enjoyed the article, having followed the DYK link today. Your JSB work is invaluable, and I salute you! Tim riley (talk) 20:07, 25 January 2012 (UTC)