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Promotes "White supremacism" vs "the interests of White Americans"

The article currently uses "White supremacism" as opposed to the whitewashed euphemism "the interests of White Americans". This information is cited to reliable secondary sources and is not a "false statement reflecting non-neutral POV". To the IP editors seeking to edit war over this description, bring sources and an arguemnt or I will take this matter to the 3rr board. Heiro 16:47, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

I think part of the non-neutral POV argument stems from the fact that other ethnic advocacy groups such as National Council of La Raza and MEChA are not referred to on their Misplaced Pages pages as Latino/Hispanic Supremacist groups, and are permitted euphemisms such as "promoting unity and empowerment" or "improving opportunities" for their ethnic groups, despite their history of publishing racially inflammatory literature and their promotion of the Aztlan nationalist concept in the United States. There seems to be a stark disparity between the descriptive treatment of 'white' ethnic advocacy groups vs. other ethnic advocacy groups within the wikipedia community, which does support the non-neutral POV argument. Also, with respect to this or any group, there should be a distinction made between what the group 'promotes' as an organization, meaning what it argues for or advocates in it's published literature, and what the personal views or histories of individual members are. Attributing the personal views of some members( as promoted outside the organization) with the entirety of the organization may be painting with an overly broad brush. Wikipediaphile (talk) 14:43, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

WP:Other stuff exists is not an acceptable argument. We should be making it clear what reliable sources say about the organisation, not just what it's PR says. Dougweller (talk) 16:16, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Whether the SPLC constitutes a reliable source when it comes to how it labels organizations like A3P would make a good topic for a whole other discussion, some of which can be found at #42 here. Given the fact that the SPLC's fund raising largely depends on them identifying new 'hate' or 'supremacist' groups to raise public fears, I do not think their choice of words should be accepted as 'reliable' without specific citations on their website to justify those claims. Clearly, non-profit does not mean non-biased. While they may or may not be a reliable source as a clearinghouse for certain statistical data and objective facts, the terminology they use appears to be very subjective in some cases and is often unsubstantiated with independently verifiable sources within the press releases where these pejorative labels are used. Because they have a financial stake in labeling groups "white supremacist" and "extremist", I think their claims should be held to a high standard of independent verifiability before being used for citations by Misplaced Pages.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikipediaphile (talk • contribs)

How about these others then, like Yahoo and MSNBC, etc. amongst other :

Ron Paul campaign denies white supremacist ties alleged by Anonymous

Anonymous Has Revealed The British National Party's Links To An American White Supremacist Group

American Third Position (white supremacy group) hacked by Anonymous, ties to Ron Paul

Profile: American Third Position (A3P)

Anonymous attacks American Nazis

'ANONYMOUS' HITS WHITE SUPREMACIST SITES

Ron Paul campaign denies white supremacist ties alleged by Anonymous. Heiro 03:02, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Here are some cites from reliable sources:

• ..the American Third Position Party, a white-nationalist group.
  • SPECIAL ELECTION FOR W.VA. GOVERNOR: TOMBLIN-MALONEY: DUELING MESSAGES Messina, Lawrence. Sunday Gazette - Mail 02 Oct 2011: A.1.
• The American Third Position party promotes "white nationalism" and says it represents the interests of white Americans.
  • CAMPAIGN 2011: CANDIDATES CALL EXCLUSION FROM DEBATE UNFAIR Eyre, Eric. The Charleston Gazette 13 Sep 2011: A.1.
• ...and Morgantown resident Harry Bertram of the American Third Position Party, a white-supremacist party.
  • GOVERNOR'S RACE:: Labor changing mind on Tomblin?; Senate president wins union backing Knezevich, Alison. The Charleston Gazette 16 July 2011: A.1.
• When told the Republican Party had labeled Murdough a white supremacist and dissociated itself from his candidacy, the woman, two little girls in tow, walked away and declined to give her name. Murdough's published views were so hot that the Republican State Committee refused to touch him, issuing a flier to candidates and activists recently that listed Murdough's name with a thick black line running over it. "He's a white supremacist fraudulently running on the Republican ticket," the flier said.
  • In Grafton, Murdough places last Duckler, Ray. Concord Monitor 15 Sep 2010.
• Then had a letter published in the Sunday Concord Monitor in which he proclaimed himself state chairman of the American Third Position party, a white supremacist organization.
  • EDITORIAL: A GOP purge; Sununu boots a RINO Anonymous. The Union Leader 12 July 2010: A.8.
• According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks extremist groups, the party aims to run white nationalist candidates for office in every state.
  • Republicans condemn supremacist: Candidate pursues GOP nomination Schoenberg, Shira. Concord Monitor 07 July 2010.
• ties to the proposed party "are troubling and I think once again shows (MacDonald) for what he is, which is a bigoted white supremacist," said Kevin O'Grady, director of the ADL's Orange County/Long Beach region. MacDonald has wrongly tried to compare white supremacists with ethnic minority groups that have advocated for rights amid a history of discrimination, O'Grady said.
  • Controversial CSULB professor MacDonald is director of new political party Butler, Kevin. Press - Telegram 05 Jan 2010.

So the SPLC isn't the sole sources for characterizations of the subject.   Will Beback  talk  03:04, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

1. Larry Keller. "New White Supremacist Party has Mass Electoral Ambitions". Retrieved 2012-02-03. {{cite web}}: Text "Southern Poverty Law Center" ignored (help)
2. "Backgrounder: American Third Position". Anti-Defamation League. Retrieved 2012-02-03.

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