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Launch article guideline

I've started to implement the moves and mergers neccessary to bring the new guideline into effect. Could you possibly deal with the move of Ariane 5 Flight 501 to Cluster (spacecraft) since that requires the deletion of a redirect with history. Thanks --GW… 19:48, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Seems to have already been done! :-) Colds7ream (talk) 21:25, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

User:The Bushranger did it. Could you or he possibly do the same to move GSLV F04 to INSAT-4CR. I'll send him a talkback to this discussion incase he gets a chance to do it first. Thanks to both of you for your help. --GW… 21:48, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Done! :) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 22:42, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Assessment issue

I have tried to assess two articles today, and found an issue that requires some looking into. The problem is when I went to assess the articles (SSME and Mir Docking Module), the assessment that was shown was of a lower class. The articles, which meet B-class criteria, are being shown as C-class articles. I am unsure of how to fix it. If you could provide some guidance, that would be amazing!--NavyBlue84 14:25, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

I think what that is is the B-class criteria tags haven't been filled in - you have to put 'yes' for entries B1, B2, B3, B4 and B5 before the template will change. The template page has more instructions, I think? Thanks again, by the way! :-) SalopianJames - previously Colds7ream (talk) 17:34, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

A-ha! I got it now. Thank you for the instruction on how to get it done. At the top of the assessment page is a little tid bit of info I overlooked, that explains how to do it. It was my pleasure to do that. Now that I know how to do that, I will take that one and maybe try to get some more assessments done. It is fun doing it, I don't know why more people don't want to do it!--NavyBlue84 22:27, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, and great news! Hopefully with a few more assessors we can really get that part of the project off the ground (if you'll excuse the pun...)! :-) SalopianJames - previously Colds7ream (talk) 09:13, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Just one more question for you. When an article is assessed should it be stroked off the list and left for awhile or just remove it altogether? I am not sure what to do about that. Wish I had thought of that pun!--NavyBlue84 16:07, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Ooh, good question - I've just been getting rid of them altogether, but I suppose we can decide when we've decided what to do with the page generally? SalopianJames - previously Colds7ream (talk) 14:35, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good. I will leave them for now just mark them as done.--NavyBlue84 15:33, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Infobox rocket engine

Well, sorry for the delay, but I've cleaned up the code for {{Infobox rocket engine}}. I'm very tired, so I'm not sure my eye for its appearance is functioning all that well, so when you have some time, give it a once over (both the template and the /doc page) and see if anything needs to be changed, tweaked, added to, etc. It'll be much easier to do now. — Huntster (t @ c) 07:39, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Many, many thanks for that - it's looking so much better, and you've tidied up the code so much even I can understand it! :-D SalopianJames - previously Colds7ream (talk) 13:56, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Hello!

Hi James! How are you doing? I've been gradually finding more free time to contribute here, and it looks I might recover from my unplanned wikibreak soon. The Skylab diagram is still the way I left it many months ago. I'll look into it and hopefully restart working on it in the next few days. Meanwhile I'm glad to see you've got excellent help at the lab with the shuttle engine diagram. Hope you enjoyed your holidays, and happy new year! -- Orionist ★ talk 07:54, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Ah, marvellous, thanks very much! :-) Yep, did a good job, didn't he? :-D Had a grand holiday period thanks, hope you did too! SalopianJames - previously Colds7ream (talk) 11:34, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

SSME

Hi

I read through it once a couple of days ago, and some related material, and will start on it tonight. I will be posting any notes or queries on the article talk page. Chaosdruid (talk) 21:12, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks indeed! :-) SalopianJames - previously Colds7ream (talk) 21:31, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

I have done a little more, though still small steps as it is quite technical. Chaosdruid (talk) 19:21, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

I was carrying on, but have left a note there as I am not sure about copyright and the source indicated on Information content from the NSTS Shuttle Reference Manual (1988)

Replied on the talk page. SalopianJames (talk) 13:51, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

EDS

It needs some modernisation, but we have Template:Infobox rocket stage (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), which might be better for cases like that rather than modifying {{Infobox rocket}}. --W. D. Graham _{(previously GW)} 13:06, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

I know, its a bit of a shoehorning from a template point of view, but it doesn't offer any options in the event there is more than one version of the stage, hence the method I'm using. If we can get someone to sort that out I'd be thrilled! :-) SalopianJames - previously Colds7ream (talk) 13:10, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

I'll modify it when I have some time. --W. D. Graham _{(previously GW)} 13:16, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks very much - I used it on Delta Cryogenic Second Stage, too. SalopianJames - previously Colds7ream (talk) 13:21, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

I need to rewrite the documentation, but it is otherwise done. --W. D. Graham _{(previously GW)} 19:57, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Nicely done, thanks again! Always nice to have up-to-date templates to work with, eh? :-) SalopianJames - previously Colds7ream (talk) 09:26, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

RE: Misplaced Pages:Featured articles/2012 RfC on FA leadership: Tea

Mistress Selina Kyle has given you a cup of tea. Tea promotes WikiLove and hopefully this has made your day ever so slightly better.

Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a tea, especially if it is someone you have had disagreements with in the past or someone putting up with some stick at this time. Enjoy!

Spread the lovely, warm, refreshing goodness of tea by adding {{subst:wikitea}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

--Mistress Selina Kyle 06:51, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

I think your proposal very worthwhile. While it is unlikely I can be prevailed upon to take a role in advocating for it, I will certainly support it through reviews and submissions if you can find more people interested in participating. I'll go though it in detail in a day or so.--Wehwalt (talk) 17:43, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks very much - I'll look forward to your feedback! :-) SalopianJames (talk) 11:18, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Unblock of MSK

I don't know how much of that thread you read, but did you miss my comments here? This block was a reinstatement of her community ban as she violated the conditions of her provisional unbanning, and no admin therefore had the authority to remove this without discussion on a community forum. Please reinstate the block, and then, if you feel so strongly about it, seek a consensus at a suitable noticeboard to lift this. Courcelles 14:00, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Can you link to the thread where "her community ban" was decided in the first place? ASCIIn2Bme (talk) 14:30, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Agreed - I find the whole original ban somewhat suspicious, to be honest, so a link to this 'community ban' would be very helpful. Furthermore, I can see no behaviour that is in violation of any unblocking - a bit of lack of awareness of current guidelines (which, following a 5-year break, is to be expected), but nothing meant with malice. SalopianJames (talk) 14:34, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

I also see this user being deliberately targeted by a "comedian" and self-styled Defender of the Wiki™ in full knowledge that there would be people around to reblock. pablo 14:46, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

There is a technical name for that. ASCIIn2Bme (talk) 14:59, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Agree with SalopianJames; I don't think that an indefinite block was really necessary, especially when Mistress Selina Kyle erred (a significant err, no doubt, but nothing that couldn't be handled reasonably) rather than did anything with bad intent: while posting to AN/I is very unwise, it isn't breaking any unblock terms per se, and she has been told to keep away from it in future (also, I do not see any consensus to reblock her). I believe that if the AN/I threads had immediately been closed, everything could have been resolved on her talk page, and the issue settled by now. Acalamari 15:03, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Agree with Acalamari. Nuff said, let's move on and deal with real vandals. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 18:51, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

In response to requests to see where she was banned: discussion about Selina's ban was widespread. See, for instance, the eighth-most-recent entry in her block log, by Dominic (talk · contribs): "04:34, April 5, 2006 Dominic (talk | contribs | block) blocked Mistress Selina Kyle (talk | contribs) with an expiry time of indefinite ‎ (Recent reincarnation confirms this user will never be welcome here: disgusting attacks (ie, Talk:Misplaced Pages) and incivility, edit warring, and general trolling, see Special:Contributions/Bob,_just_Bob. Consider yourself community-banned.)" and the corresponding adding of her to the List of Banned Users. See also this ANI subpage centered around the last time she was unblocked, throughout which and at the conclusion of which she is acknowledged to have been community banned. This appears to have been an old-style community ban, enacted based on the fact that the community was not willing to see her unblocked. That ban was lifted in the recent ANI thread, provisionally, and was then reinstated by Courcelles yesterday based on her violating the provisions of her unban. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 15:13, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

She has not violated the provisions of the unban! Also, interesting quote from the page you linked: "Every admin has the authority to overturn a community ban. Community bans only last until an objection is raised." I have an objection to the ban - therefore rendering this community ban thing overturned, according to that discussion. SalopianJames (talk) 15:30, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Hm, reading back, I may not have explained the timeline clearly. She was community-banned, as in "no admin willing to unblock" (cf block log). Then an admin unblocked her (cf cthe ANI subpage) and the community revolted and basically declared itself unwilling to see her unblocked, subsuming the previous "default" cban with a standard cban. She was then re-blocked based on that. Then, five years later, the community discussed and approved provisional lifting of her ban. The ban was lifted, then was reapplied based on her violating the provisions of her ban (it appears Courcelles made that decision based on her excessive postings on ANI and her refusal to drop the stick when asked), and then you unblocked her unilaterally. Speaking of which, it occurs to me to ask: how did you happen upon this case? She didn't have an unblock request up when you unblocked her, you don't seem to do a lot of blocks or unblocks, and it doesn't appear you frequent the noticeboards where Selina Kyle was being discussed. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 15:43, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Well, that seems like a fair summary. However, community lifting of the ban would seem to imply that it's no longer a community ban, IMHO. As for Courcelles' rationale, I simply don't agree with them and see no bad faith in any of her ANI posts. As to how I came across it, she kindly sent me a 'cup of tea and a biscuit', as you can see above, apparently regarding my voting on the current FAC-related RfC. After I thanked her on her talk page, she entered by watchlist, and when I saw the ban on that I did a bit of reading around. SalopianJames (talk) 15:58, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

• Irrespective of the merits of the original block, the unban, the re-block, or the unblock, an administrator should not be reversing the actions of another administrator without consulting him, or the wider community. James, unless I have missed some discussion where you consulted another editor, it was inappropriate to summarily reverse Courcelles. His block is no more or less valid than yours. AGK 16:49, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Well, maybe so, although there does indeed seem to be community support. Moreover, considering the block was invalid (reasons given were for a correct reporting of a legal challenge in the relevant place and a perfectly understandable response to personal attacks), and the apparent vendetta that ANI (the place where such a discussion would likely take place) has against the editor, there would seem to be a low chance for a fair and even-handed debate. SalopianJames (talk) 17:34, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

I think AGK's point was that the only evidence you have shown for the block being invalid or for Selina having not violated the conditions of her unblock is that you say they're true - what may seem painfully clear to you is not to anyone else, and from the outside what we see is you replacing the judgment of the community and the blocking admin with your own judgment, without even asking either party for an opinion. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 18:01, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Very well - show me where the unblock conditions stated that she could not post to ANI, bring up a WP:LEGAL query in the correct place or inform the community of a violation of WP:PERSONAL and I'll put the block back on, no questions asked. SalopianJames (talk) 18:07, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Please look at the closing admin's comments at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive737#Mistress_Selina_Kyle.27s_unblock_request. --Rschen7754 20:19, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi I just thought I should say if you want to maybe have a look at my talk page it might be helpful because a lot of the criticisms you have making I replied to before, they said that if I broke policy I would be reblocked but I was actually trying to follow policy as much as possible to try stop trouble it just had the opposite effect and I'm sorry about that, Newyorkbrad one of the arbitration committee has also made a complaint about the incivility on the boards too if that helps I don't know what else I could have done other than not get involved, so I am just steering clear from all that stuff now, if you take a look on my talk page a lot of this stuff is on there --Mistress Selina Kyle 20:32, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

• • Admins are not holy cows, AGK, and can err. At the very least, the indef block was way out of proportions, particularly considering that the editor error (if there even was one, which I am not convinced there was) was good faithed, not malicious. James was completely within his rights to reduce or annul it, otherwise the entire unblock procedure becomes a joke if it is to hinge on the consent of the blocking admin (liberum veto, anyone)? And no, I don't support blocking till there is a community consensus to unblock (presumption of guilt). James did good. EOT, as far as I am concerned. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 18:55, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

In response to the comment regarding the closIng admin comments, I suspect what you're getting at here is point 4, which makes requirements about policies and behaviour. I maintain my above comments that no polices were broken here and no behavioural guidelines were intentionally broken (indeed none were broken at all until a barrage of personal attacks started heading her way), so will not be reblocking based on that. SalopianJames (talk) 20:57, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Policies were trampled over, she committed nearly all the personal attacks that were done, (being critical, even dismissive, ofsomeone's website is a far cry from attacking the person), and your attitude towards summarily reversing another admin is shocking. I was hoping, given you've not touched the block button in nearly two and a half years, that this was merely unfamiliarity with current practice that one admin does NOT unblock without a noticeboard discussion after a declined unblock request and opposition from the blocking admin. WP:BLOCK says "Except in cases of unambiguous error, administrators should avoid unblocking users without first attempting to contact the blocking administrator to discuss the matter. If the blocking administrator is not available, or if the administrators cannot come to an agreement, then a discussion at the administrators' noticeboard is recommended." (That this was a reinstatement of a suspended community ban makes he unilateral unblock more out of policy) Your actions were against both the spirit (and letter, since there was a declined unblock request) of WP:WHEEL. I'm asking you one more time, reinstate the block, and seek some consensus for the unblock. If you're right, it'll be easy to find. Courcelles 22:59, 8 February 2012 (UTC)