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	"The All-India Muslim League,(Urdu: آل انڈیا مسلم لیگ), was founded by the All India Muhammadan Educational Conference at Dhaka (now Bangladesh), in 1906, in the context of the circumstances that were generated over the partition of Bengal in 1905. Being a political party to secure the interests of the Muslim diaspora in British India . . ."		"The All-India Muslim League,(Urdu: آل انڈیا مسلم لیگ), was founded by the All India Muhammadan Educational Conference at Dhaka (now Bangladesh), in 1906, in the context of the circumstances that were generated over the partition of Bengal in 1905. Being a political party to secure the interests of the Muslim diaspora in British India . . ."

	A diaspora is commonly described as a "the movement, migration, or scattering of a people away from an established or ancestral homeland," however, the Mughal period ended with the last of the Mughals; Bahadur Shah Zafar around 1862 or so. Additionally, the Mughals arrived in Hindusthan as invaders, a movement which in its true sense cannot be described as a "disapora." Other than the initial invaders who were the original carriers of Islam, the majority of the Muslim in India and Pakistan are indigenous people; a class of Hindus who converted to Islam. Therefore, this way of describing the Muslim population in India is incorrect and misleading. Jbwikidu (talk) 23:47, 18 February 2012 (UTC)		A diaspora is commonly described as a "the movement, migration, or scattering of a people away from an established or ancestral homeland," however, the Mughal period ended with the last of the Mughals; Bahadur Shah Zafar around 1862 or so. Additionally, the Mughals arrived in Hindusthan as invaders, a movement which in its true sense cannot be described as a "disapora." Other than the initial invaders who were the original carriers of Islam, the majority of the Muslim in India and Pakistan are indigenous people; a class of Hindus who converted to Islam. Therefore, this way of describing the Muslim population in India is incorrect and misleading. Jbwikidu (talk) 23:47, 18 February 2012 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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"Wiped out" or just defeated?

But when the military regime of Agha Mohammad Yahya Khan fell in December 1971, and Pakistan's first genuine free elections were held, both factions of the League were wiped out, in West Pakistan by the Pakistan People's Party of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto and in East Pakistan by the National Awami League of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman.

Now, does "wiped out" here mean that the Muslim League was exterminated, or assassinated, or forcibly disbanded? Or does it simply mean that they were roundly defeated in the elections? Could someone please clarify this? Thanks. --Skoosh 19:03, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

The meaning is electoral. No, there was no massacre. -- Jmabel | Talk 05:03, August 3, 2005 (UTC)
- Great. I'm going to edit the text to clarify that. --Skoosh 10:52, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

POV remark, but something may belong

The following remark was recently and anonymously added to the list of current factions. "(Word of caution: Almost all of these factions are either King Party or some rich winnders club cobbled together by bringing in regional politicians. None of these groups can legitimately claim any real lineage to the All India Muslim League)". I've cut it to here, because it is opinionated, uncited, and not terribly well-written, but I suspect it has a reasonable basis. Can someone who knows more than me about current Pakistani politics possibly weigh in with something more solid on the history by which these current factions do, or do not, trace back to the All India Muslim League? -- Jmabel | Talk 03:23, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

This was correct actually. It should be re-written and added back with a tag incase the citation is still not found. --lTopGunl (talk) 11:13, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

"currently in power"

In what sense is "Muslim League (Q group) currently in power"? I was under the impression that Pervez Musharraf was more or less an autocratic ruler. -- Jmabel | Talk 05:29, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Muslim League (Q) was the majority party (probably with allies) in the National Assembly from 2002 till 2007. The Prime Ministers during this time were from this party as were most of the Federal Ministers. Hence they were in power during this period as Pakistan has a parliamentary form of government. However, Musharraf was indirectly ruling as he had assumed more power than what a president is suppose to have. Rzafar (talk) 12:54, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Ghulam Muhammad

The italicized part of the following was recently removed without comment. What is the objection to it? Factual? Off-topic? I have no particular opinion on the result, just don't think substantive material should be removed without comment: "Liaquat was succeeded by Khawaja Nazimuddin, a Bengali, who was forced from office in April 1953 by Ghulam Muhammad who found Khawaja Nazimuddin's proposed changes to laws and poor handling of massacre of Ahmadis, a religious minority group, unacceptable. -- Jmabel | Talk 04:39, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Disamb

What about making this page a disamb page, with links to the original AIML, the current IUML, and PML factions and the Bangladesh ML? All those parties come from the same root. --Soman 06:27, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I second this, sort of. Instead of having the whole page to disambiguate, we could just have something on the top. (I wrote the same thing below) Lihaas (talk) 19:51, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Pakistan

The portion on Pakistan after its formation should be a separate article, as it is a national party of Pakistan, and not the British Raj. 70.55.84.126 (talk) 06:01, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree that the section about the League in Pakistan should form a separate article as it is no longer the same party.Rzafar (talk) 13:04, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

There is already an article on Pakistan Muslim League that can be expanded. However, this section should be kept as a legacy.--IslesCape 11:59, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

muslim league

There's apparently a muslim league that started in india in 1974 http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/597558.cms I was wondering if we ought to have this too. There's also the Muslim League Kerala State Committee (national party) which should probably have a disambiguation here. Lihaas (talk) 19:48, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Bias

The section on the Calcutta killings seems a bit biased. for example, it starts with 'the black day'. Clearly, this is not NPOV I have added the POV template to the section

== Vandalism Some lifeless freak has clearly vandalised the article. Please correct it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.109.19.18 (talk) 15:22, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

On Iqbal's part in "The Conception of Pakistan"

The article takes a disproven stand on whether or not Iqbal in fact proposed a separate Muslim nation-state ("Dr. Safdar Mehmood also fell a prey to the same misconception"). Several respectable scholars have shown, that in no good sense can such a proposal be credited to Iqbal's Presidential Address in 1930 (Cf. esp. K.K. Aziz 'The history of the idea of Pakistan'). Also, reading the actual speech itself helps to understand that he proposes a Muslim majority state in the Northwest of South Asia as part of an Indian federation among other things by explaining in long, why a Muslim majority state as part of an Indian federation would be a good defender of India against potential foreign aggressors. At the end of his speech he does use the word 'nation'. Assuming that Iqbal was mentally present and did not intend to contradict himself, he can logically only have meant 'nation' as a culturally adherent group of people, not a separate territorial state. In fact, attributing the proposal of a separate Muslim nation-state to Iqbal's 1930 Presidential Address is a misconception at least, actually more a willful misinterpretation for reasons of constructed national historiography. Yetanotherkontributor (talk) 16:00, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

A Diaspora?

I wouldn't call the Muslim population a "diaspora", as described below:

"The All-India Muslim League,(Urdu: آل انڈیا مسلم لیگ), was founded by the All India Muhammadan Educational Conference at Dhaka (now Bangladesh), in 1906, in the context of the circumstances that were generated over the partition of Bengal in 1905. Being a political party to secure the interests of the Muslim diaspora in British India . . ."

A diaspora is commonly described as a "the movement, migration, or scattering of a people away from an established or ancestral homeland," however, the Mughal period ended with the last of the Mughals; Bahadur Shah Zafar around 1862 or so. Additionally, the Mughals arrived in Hindusthan as invaders, a movement which in its true sense cannot be described as a "disapora." Other than the initial invaders who were the original carriers of Islam, the majority of the Muslim in India and Pakistan are indigenous people; a class of Hindus who converted to Islam. Therefore, this way of describing the Muslim population in India is incorrect and misleading. Jbwikidu (talk) 23:47, 18 February 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbwikidu (talk • contribs)

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