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Welcome

Please put messages for me here! I am rather tidy so I will delete once received unless there is a reason not to (such as interest to others)--BozMo 10:30, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Comments on my site: Cates, my book: letter to Peter, or the child charity through which you could always sponsor children would be particularly welcome.

Other sites we have are SOS Medical Centres and SOS Schools

I will visit here most days but have a busy job and young kids so not always. My other email is my christian name @ my homepage. Here is a small test--BozMo 08:41, 10 May 2004 (UTC)

BozMo is one of those involved in the fixed regular static copies at: fixed reference English WikiPedia 24 July 04Simple WikiPedia 24 July 04 WikiPedia Francais 27 Juillet 2004

These have been generated from the downloads not by botting the actual site since we are ultra-compliant (even flagging intention to do so on copyright page for a month before we started)!!! However they are probably imperfect: let me know if you see any bugs. The plus of a fixed version is that it does enable me to say, for example, that I wrote the simple Maths intro without worrying if it is still there, and that I think it is better than the main en Maths version.

I might get rid of these if the WP famous verion 1.0 ever actually happens. Hmm. There is lots of discussion elsewhere about whether WP is a converge or divergent process; whether order will eventually emerge from the chaos. I am not sure. I think that there are too many signs that things are going wrong and that no one actually has the stomach to impose the editorial control to keep quality high. In a way this is a real pity; and is a kind of sad reflection of many wider problems in the world today.

Things I find amusing from 150 years ago =

I have a sad sense of humour. Make that a very sad sense of humour.

I like English Weather, how far we've come since 1851, being kind to children, poor taste, breath taking rudeness and practicality. Actually I like lots of different cartoons and am a bit of a Dilbert fan, as well as liking the old Giles Cartoons. Somehow in a world where many of us struggle to get our opnions heard the power of a cartoon in viciously characaturing a situation can be pretty awesome. Please excuse this small

By the way, the fixed reference pages probably don't quite work perfectly, especially the news bit. Please also tell me here of any bugs or copyright issues or anything. --BozMo 09:00, 13 May 2004 (UTC)

Message read from Mark

ditto Charles

ditto angela

ditto Angela again

ditto Angela again on the nofollow thing on which I have voted but I might change my mind at any rate in terms of the Simple WikiPedia where there are lots of spam issues.

ditto Trevor

Hello Kappa. If you come here it must be because I have been playing in the Lists of Schools pages (mainly adding schools from ). I have had one go and am waiting for any comments before I do any more. I honestly do not understand the category and list structure so sorry if I have screwed it up. Is there a list of schools template somewhere? Boz

Snapshots

BozMo, where can I get the CD copy of http://fixedreference.org/2006-Misplaced Pages-CD-Selection/ ?

Here:Misplaced Pages download page

Let me know if you hit problems but give it an hour or two before we try because it is a big file to load up...

Fixed, sorry for the glitch

Barnstar

WP1.0

Hi, thanks for taking the time to let me know about this CD download. I had actually already seen it but it's good to know that people are there trying to pusht he stuff out. What I'm going to do is pop a little message ont he Community Portal so people can see it, and I'll also direct them to the discussion on our version of a CD, so we can try and get a bit mroe interest in the project. --Wisden17 09:19, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Licenses

In fact, as far as I can tell, the GFDL does not permit you to simply link to WP for the authorship. Section 4b requires that you list on the Title Page, as authors, one or more persons or entities responsible for authorship of the modifications in the Modified Version, together with at least five of the principal authors of the Document (all of its principal authors, if it has fewer than five), unless they release you from this requirement. (emphisis added). Now since WP has said that they consider linking to WP as being in compliance with the license, one could argue that contributers to WP implicitly release you from this requirement, but the ccby photos are not taken by WP contributers. The terms of ccby require that you state that the image is licensed as ccby, provide the ccby license or a link to it, and provide the name of the creator in a manner "appropriate to the medium". I would think that a copyright holder might think that providing their name on a CD is appropriate to the medium. Also see Creative_commons#Creative_Commons_in_Court for more information on using CC material. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MattKingston (talk • contribs)

I have answered this on your page. Essentially as written this applies to the modifications we make to the version received by the previous publisher.

Sorry about this, I replied to this a few days ago, but I guess I forgot to hit the save button. It's exam time, my mind is a bit frazzled. Anyway, I'm not going to type out my response all over again, I'll just summarize it in point form:

• Not all images on WP are GFDL, some are CCBY or other licenses, some are fair use, some are copyright violations tagged as fair use. Some copyright violations are tagged as PD (I know of a dozen or so at the moment).
• Although WP bills itself as a "💕", the truth is that you have to do a lot of work (particularly with images) to ensure that you can use it. WP states (somewhere) that what's fair use for WP may not be fair use for you.
• Because it's a web-site, WP can get away with a lot. If a user uploads a copyvio, then the user is the one responsible for it, not WP. WP only has to respond to a DMCA takedown but can't be sued (easily) for damages. If you make a CD, you're the one who put the content on the CD so you're the one that's responsible to ensure that all the content is legal.
• The history pages of an article are part of the document, if you don't include them on the CD, you've modified the document (possibly image description pages too). I believe WP has said that they're ok with this as long as there is a link back to WP. But that may only apply to websites, if the content is on a CD you can't assume that the end user has an internet connection and can access the WP content.
• I'm just brining this to your attention. I'm not going to sue you, maybe no one will sue you, but it might save you a lot of money in the long run to consult with a lawyer. Remember the web is a dynamic place, if there's a problem with WP content it's easy enough to change. Once you've burned something to a CD and sold it, it's a trickier situation. I wish you the best of luck, and I hope it works out well for you. An english CD is well overdue. Matt 00:47, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Re: your Q on my talk page. Unfortunately, I had no fancy way of finding these images; I just looked at a few articles at random and checked out the license of images which looked like they had been created with some effort. A lot of the older ones are GDFL-licensed but in recent years, CC-by (i.e. attribution) has become popular. I myself release all of my maps under CC-by-2.5. I won't require on-page attribution in case of your project, though; as I said before, I'd be content with just a note somewhere on the copyrights page to the effect that some images are not as free as others and that creators etc. can be found by going to the image page on Misplaced Pages. — mark ✎ 06:53, 11 April 2006 (UTC)