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You explained your removal by writing in edit line: ''please don't make POV/OR deductions, I've already added that below''. I am afraid that what you wrote is not true. The only removed information you added to the body of the article was the information about the meaning of the family name (beardles), but you did not add below the removed information about the ethnicity of Spani. Was this a mistake? In case this was not a mistake please explain your point. Let me remind you that what you did can be seen as a form of : and you are already warned not to engage in further: "--] (]) 19:25, 21 March 2012 (UTC) You explained your removal by writing in edit line: ''please don't make POV/OR deductions, I've already added that below''. I am afraid that what you wrote is not true. The only removed information you added to the body of the article was the information about the meaning of the family name (beardles), but you did not add below the removed information about the ethnicity of Spani. Was this a mistake? In case this was not a mistake please explain your point. Let me remind you that what you did can be seen as a form of : and you are already warned not to engage in further: "--] (]) 19:25, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
:The issue, which you analyzed in one word has been dealt with and explained by the use of modern sources in a complete section and without deductions that make little common sense. Btw misquoting and misattributing 1+ year old discussions is something that you have done before and you were warned by an admin about it when I was reviewing Gaius's GAN. --<span style="background-color: maroon; color: white">]</span>&nbsp;<sup>]</sup> 19:42, 21 March 2012 (UTC) :The issue, which you analyzed in one word has been dealt with and explained by the use of modern sources in a complete section and without deductions that make little common sense. Btw misquoting and misattributing 1+ year old discussions is something that you have done before and you were warned by an admin about it when I was reviewing Gaius's GAN. --<span style="background-color: maroon; color: white">]</span>&nbsp;<sup>]</sup> 19:42, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

== Skanderbeg and other chieftains from the region of Albania were Alfonso's vassals ==

There is scientific consensus (which includes Albanian nationalistic sources) that Skanderbeg became vassal after signing the Treaty of Gaeta. When other chieftains from the region of Albania signed similar treaties they also became vassals of Kingdom of Naples:

* {{Citation |last=Setton |first=Kenneth |author=Kenneth Setton |authorlink= Kenneth Setton |title=The Papacy and the Levant, 1204-1571 |volume= four volumes |url=http://books.google.rs/books?id=0Sz2VYI0l1IC&pg=PA102&dq=noli+skanderbeg+vassal+alfonso&hl=sr&sa=X&ei=zitqT8vAEYLUtAa20NyXAg&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false |year= 1976—1984 |publisher= American Philosophical Society |isbn=978-0-87169-114-9 |pages=102,103 |quote= Scanderbeg now entered into special close relations with King Alphoso of Naples....on 26 March 1451. They got along very well together, as lord and vassal...Besides Alphonso's assertion of suzerainty over Skanderbeg and the latters father in law George Arianiti Topia Golem Cominović,... Alphonso gave recognition as vassals to Ducagjini family, to Simon Zenevisi, ... }}
* {{Quotation|Seen from another perspective, one could say that Scanderbeg was drawn into a power struggle between Venice and Naples over rule in the Adriatic. For centuries, the Albanian coast had been the theatre of such struggles for hegemony. Castriota was unable to extract himself from the demands of regional geopolitics. He had originally turned to Naples for support and in 1451 had sworn an oath of allegiance. This provided him with protection and support from King Alfonso V, but it made his forces party to the war against the Republic of San Marco. Like his feudal liege, he fought on two fronts, against the Ottomans and against the Signoria. <u>His realm was no more than a link in a broadly spanned chain of Neapolitan vassals in the Balkans against which Venice had spun a net of regional princes in its pay</u>. As such, the Balkans were the theatre of inner-Italian warfare to which Scanderbeg would eventually fall victim and perish. Castriota’s star declined definitively in 1467 when the Venetians expelled the Neapolitans from central Albania. His hostility towards Venice, influenced at least by Naples, was the reason for his downfall.|“” by ]}}
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Therefore I will return information about vassalage to Naples, .--] (]) 19:59, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

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@ZjarriRrethues: You removed cited information about the ethnicity of members of Spani family.

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You explained your removal by writing in edit line: please don't make POV/OR deductions, I've already added that below. I am afraid that what you wrote is not true. The only removed information you added to the body of the article was the information about the meaning of the family name (beardles), but you did not add below the removed information about the ethnicity of Spani. Was this a mistake? In case this was not a mistake please explain your point. Let me remind you that what you did can be seen as a form of tendentious editing: removal of statements that are pertinent, sourced reliably, and written in a neutral style constitutes disruption and you are already warned not to engage in further: "ethno-nationalist tendentious editing--Antidiskriminator (talk) 19:25, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

The issue, which you analyzed in one word has been dealt with and explained by the use of modern sources in a complete section and without deductions that make little common sense. Btw misquoting and misattributing 1+ year old discussions is something that you have done before and you were warned by an admin about it when I was reviewing Gaius's GAN. --— ZjarriRrethues —  19:42, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Skanderbeg and other chieftains from the region of Albania were Alfonso's vassals

There is scientific consensus (which includes Albanian nationalistic sources) that Skanderbeg became vassal after signing the Treaty of Gaeta. When other chieftains from the region of Albania signed similar treaties they also became vassals of Kingdom of Naples:

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Therefore I will return information about vassalage to Naples, removed by Aigest.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 19:59, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

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