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• Vision Thing (talk · contribs · logs)

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Statement of the dispute

Vision Thing is an unabashed edit warrior, who powers his biased viewpoint into articles by frequent, but slo-mo reversion, misrepresentation of consensus, and overall biased editing.

Desired outcome

Vision Thing will cease all reverting, and will either leave the judging of consensus for others, or accept that he might be wrong.

Description

Vision Thing is strongly conservative when it comes to all things economic - I doubt he would disagree with this statement.

His MO when in a dispute is to continually make the same revert over and over - but spread over a long period of time - with the intent of wearing down his opposition - see , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , - and that's just one article.

Sometimes, he attempts to get outside input to support his edits - but his attempts in getting such input are confusing (see:Talk:Paul_Krugman#RfC), misrepresent the positions of his adversaries (see:). When the results turn out adverse to his interests, he misreads consensus, or only applies the parts he likes the results of (see:Talk:History_of_the_United_States_public_debt#RFC:_Should_Bruce_Bartlett.27s_view_on_the_US_debt_be_included.3F, which he uses to make this revert over and over).

Added by Lawrencekhoo

I have for some time now, made known my opinion that one should edit in a balanced fashion, and apply the same standards to both views that one agrees with and views that one opposes. Vision thing is unabashedly and tendentiously partisan. He demands the highest standards of support for views he doesn't like, and is amazing liberal with evidence for views that agree with his. LK (talk) 08:03, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Evidence of disputed behavior

Detailed above.

Applicable policies and guidelines

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1. WP:CON
2. WP:EW

Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute

(Provide diffs of the comments. As with anywhere else on this RfC/U, links to entire articles aren't helpful unless the editor created the entire article. Edit histories also aren't helpful as they change as new edits are performed.)

Attempts by certifier Hipocrite

2. Misplaced Pages:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard/Archive134#Paul_Krugman_.282.29

Attempts by certifier Lawrencekhoo

See talk pages of

1. Paul Krugman
2. History of the United States public debt
3. Great Depression

LK (talk) 08:05, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Other attempts

Users certifying the basis for this dispute

{Users who tried and failed to resolve the dispute}

1. --LK (talk) 08:04, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
2. Hipocrite (talk) 10:31, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

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Response

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I find it reveling that Hipocrite thinks that making two comments on two separate occasions is a proof of attempt to resolve a dispute. Moreover, one of those comments was a borderline personal attack and other objection to formulation of RfC without any proposal for improvement or any other actionable suggestion. Still, enough other editors commented to make it clear that preferred course of action is to remove all disputed content in both cases involving Paul Krugman. After that was done no other objections emerged and both issues were resolved.

As of today, all of Hipocrite's edits to History of the United States public debt are reverts of my edits. He didn't make one constructive edit to the article. His first edit to the article was revert to 2 months earlier version, which was btw preferred by LK at that time. That and following reverts were not followed by any discussion on talk about what his concerns actually are. His first comment on talk came two weeks and 6 reverts later. I suggested a compromise version of the lead which was accepted, but no other objections were made so it seems to me that he started reverting out of support for LK (who also didn't explain his removals on talk) or this is the best case of "I don't like it" that I have seen in a while.

Users who endorse this summary:

1. -- Vision Thing -- 18:10, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Views

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Outside view by an IP

In my opinion, all of the users are attempting in good faith to improve these articles. The major issue with Vision Thing's editing is that xe makes major changes to the articles such as this which are unhelpful because individual points of contention are left undiscussed. Vision Thing does not seem unwilling to discuss specific issues: see this diff, but xe thinks it is acceptable to continue reverting while the discussion is taking place, which is again unhelpful. Hipocrite and Vision Thing are essentially in a slow-motion revert war on History of the United States public debt, with both arguing over which particular revision is stable in their edit summaries. I do not think Vision Thing is solely culpable for this.

The best solution would be for all participants to follow a normal bold, revert, discuss cycle. Vision Thing should stop trying to revert to an earlier favourite version, and instead bring up on the talk page the current points of contention. If the article's talk page regulars can't reach an agreement on a specific issue, a request for comment could be opened to seek outside input, which would resolve the situation. Vision Thing has attempted to follow this route at Talk:Paul_Krugman#RfC, where there was significant support for his positions on some issues, and it was a mistake for Hipocrite and others not to engage in the RFC process there.
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1. --108.60.139.114 (talk) 19:34, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

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