Citation covering many points and vice versa

Dear Misplaced Pages, To progress my article I have a couple of questions. 1) When adding a citation (in the form of a link to another website) that confirms not one, but many points covered in the article, where in the article do I put the citation? 2) Conversely, can I add a citation to just one point covered in the article, that refers to many websites, so that I can show that a point was confirmed from many sources?

I do hope that makes sense.

Thank you very much for your help

Maya Frida Barr (talk) 14:44, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Take a look at WP:NAMEDREFS.--ukexpat (talk) 15:05, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

References within Talk page sections

Does anyone here know if there a way to make a {{reflist}} deploy within a given section, such as when posting a sample of proposed article text to a Talk page? I could have sworn I once knew how to do this, but I can't seem to find it in guidelines now. Please show me the way, if you know it. Cheers, WWB Too (talk) 14:59, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

How about {{Reflist-talk}}?--ukexpat (talk) 15:19, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

That's it! Thanks so much. WWB Too (talk) 15:39, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Please provide feedback for a page about Markus Vinzent

I messed up before and created a page that was too similar to a similar page. So this time I'd like to get feedback BEFORE I send it public.

Please add feedback to teh talk page for this entry about Markus Vinzent —Preceding undated comment added 15:05, 20 April 2012 (UTC).

If you click the "submit the page" link in the box at the top of the draft, it will be submitted to the Articles for creation process where it will be reviewed. – ukexpat (talk) 15:08, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Request to Unblock ArmadaBackupServices

Hello,

We have an outside firm performing a lot of our marketing requests. We are a backup company that is a competitor of other backup companies like:

• Mozy
• Carbonite (online backup)

To which we want to do two things:

1. We wish to add an Armada Backup page, just like the ones above, and also add our information to the page listed below:

• Comparison of online backup services

We are a legal business that operates in San Diego, CA and have operations in US, Brazil and Germany. We can provide any credentials upon request. Our site address is: http://secure.armadabackup.com

Kind Regards,

Samuel A. Armada Backup Corporation Network Administrator — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samarmadabackup (talk • contribs) — Samarmadabackup (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

To be blunt, Misplaced Pages doesn't work like that. If your company is notable, per the guidelines at WP:CORP, someone will write an article about it eventually, using reliable sources to demonstrate notability. Misplaced Pages is not a business directory nor a venue for advertisements masquerading as articles. Your agency should not be creating an article about your company because of the agency's almost insurmountable conflict of interest.  – ukexpat (talk) 15:58, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

REQUEST FOR YOUR GOOD BOOKS

HELLO

 SOME OF YOUR GOOD BOOKS I USED TO RECEIVE FROM  YOU ARE  NEEDED PLEAS.
PLEASE SEND TO 

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.61.79.254 (talk) 16:06, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

I think you've got the wrong website. This is an online-only encyclopedia. Misplaced Pages doesn't send books to anybody. Also you probably don't want to post your personal information online like that. There are a lot of crazies in the world. -Thibbs (talk) 17:00, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

I have removed the contact information. Thevinines (talk) 17:11, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

This guy is joking. He's made many constructive edits since 2007. Drla8th! (talk) 18:40, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

It might be a shared IP address, or an address that the ISP has happened to reallocate recently. --ColinFine (talk) 08:46, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Help with a non-English Speaker

I'm trying to help out an editor on my Talk page whose primary language is not English, and I'm having a great deal of trouble understanding their concerns. I posted a request for assistance at WT:Translation but haven't received a response yet; I'm not sure that area is actively monitored. I suspect the editor's primary language is Farsi, and browsed a list of Farsi-speaking editors (Category:User fa-4) but it appears most of them have not been active this year. I believe the editor means well, and I would very much like to assist them, but it's difficult to do so when I don't know what their specific questions are. Thank you very much for your assistance! Doniago (talk) 19:38, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't speak Farsi, but I wanted to point out that I think you may have mislinked your talk page. -Thibbs (talk) 19:48, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Did you intend to link here? -Thibbs (talk) 19:57, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Oops! Fixed. Sorry about that. Embarrassing. :) Doniago (talk) 20:17, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

I see that his longest contribution to the ASUS article was about "unpredictable rumblings". I guess you need to explain to him that documented sources are preferred to rumblings. Good luck. Maproom (talk) 20:03, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

I tried doing that, but his response was where the English problems got to the point that I couldn't formulate a response because I couldn't comprehend what he was saying. He seems well-intentioned enough, but I can't answer a question I can't understand, heh. Doniago (talk) 20:17, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

How can I upload my picture to my site?

Please provide directions to upload a picture to my site Nanwriter (talk) 19:40, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Are you asking how to upload an image to Misplaced Pages? Or are you asking about how to put an image on your userpage? Or are you talking about some other website? -Thibbs (talk) 19:47, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

I think she's talking about the autobiography she's committed at Nancy Rubin Stuart. Nancy Rubin Stuart, that is not "your site": it is an article (or rather, an autobiography disguised as an article) about you. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:03, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Entry for United States Presidential Election Results, 2000 (detail)

Please be advised that at least one column of the chart in this entry is cut off from the right side of the screen and therefore is not visible on the screen. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.38.4.80 (talk) 19:50, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

I see 12 intact columns that all fit on my screen. Is this the article you were viewing? It may have to do with your screen settings. -Thibbs (talk) 19:56, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

The article has a wide table which doesn't fit on all screens. Your browser should have a horizontal scrollbar so you can view the rest. You can probably also change text size of a page with Ctrl++ and Ctrl+- if you want it to fit. Reset with Ctrl+0. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:19, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Broken source links

On one of my articles, one of the sources is no longer available. How do I mark is as a "broken link"? I've seen it before, but don't remember how to do it. Fry1989 23:55, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:Link rot. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:46, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Fry1989 00:47, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

April 21

Thumbnail in Economic history of Colombia screwed up

The bottom thumbnail in Economic history of Colombia is all screwed up for me.... I get this same bizarre teal image if I click through to the source (full-res) image in commons. I can't figure out how to purge it. Help! Calliopejen1 (talk) 01:41, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Works fine for me. I suggest you delete your cache in your browser. Dismas| 01:46, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Weird. Cleared my browser cache, and it's still teal in Firefox, but if I switch to IE it's fine. Probably not a wikipedia/commons problem I guess. Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:31, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

A BIG PROBLEM!!!!

I have made a living person page, but You said I needed a reference. So I put a reliable reference, and you still said it would be deleted on May 1! Can you help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qwerty23495 (talk • contribs) 02:43, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

It would help if you told us the article title. AndyTheGrump (talk) 03:08, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

From their contributions it looks like the only article that they've created is Ryan Ciminelli but that's not up for AFD. Dismas| 03:11, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

It was prodded as unsourced (removed by author, who added PBA profile); I've posted some of the better coverage to the talk page, and gnomed the categories, defaultsort, & persondata. Needs work, but should now pass initial scrutiny. Dru of Id (talk) 03:55, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Good on you, Dru! And they're so tempting to at least nibble on, too! Seriously, good work; thanks.  – OhioStandard (talk) 12:05, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Article talk page

Why can't I submit a comment about an article? I am a registered member, and I am logged in. I've been directed to a talk page for an article, but there's no place on that page for actually "talking" What gives? How do I make the contribution I want to? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harderm1 (talk • contribs) 05:17, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

If no one else has created the page yet, the tabs across the top in my browser read

'Article' 'Talk' (a whole lot of space across the page) 'Create' 'New section'

with the tabs I've underlined selected, with this text:

Misplaced Pages does not have a talk page with this exact title.

To start a page called Talk:(Article name), type in the box below. When you are done, preview the page to check for errors and then save it.

and an edit box and 'Edit summary' line.

You should be seeing something similar. Dru of Id (talk) 05:33, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

If this is related to what you've posted on your user page, this link might help: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Donald_Aronow&action=edit&section=new . - Purplewowies (talk) 06:31, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Forum Club Handball-Adding a new article

Hello!

I want to add a new article in Misplaced Pages. It's a new organisation in handball called FORUM CLUB HANDBALL (FCH). My problem is that I don't have any sources except the homepage of this organisation. The general manager of FCH gave me a text for Misplaced Pages. What can I do? Greetings — Preceding unsigned comment added by HO72 (talk • contribs) 07:31, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Convince at least two separate (e.g., not BBC One and BBC Two) recognizable media organizations to cover it in depth, then cite them for the article you create. See Misplaced Pages:Identifying reliable sources. Dru of Id (talk) 07:51, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi HO72! I'm afraid Dru of Id is correct, if somewhat laconic in his reply. Misplaced Pages articles are required to be about what we call "notable" subjects. The word "notable" has a pretty specific meaning in our guidelines and jargon; it's not identical to the usual English one. For example, one part of the relevant guideline excludes otherwise unknown people who become nationally or internationally famous for just a single event whose media coverage fades away very quickly. And we have parts of our guideline as to what's considered "notable", in our idiomatic sense of the word, for lots of different areas of interest and human endeavour. We have a specific guideline for musicians, for example, and for politicians, and - of greatest interest to your question - sports teams and organizations.

The notability guideline for sports personnel and organizations is pretty exacting in its requirements. You might also like to look at our corresponding notability guideline for organisations. Basically, your organization would need to get significant coverage in (preferably) the national media; at least two independent articles, is the usual informal expectation. You can use local news sources, too, e.g. city newspapers, but you'll need a lot more articles about your organisation at that level to qualify. Sorry we couldn't be more help; if you're able to generate at least some media attention, we'll be glad to assist. But any article with no references supporting it from reliable source publications would be deleted almost immediately, and thus not worth the trouble of creating.

Oh, one last thing: We have a conflict of interest policy that very strongly discourages individuals or groups from creating articles about themselves. The best practice, and one that won't involve you in a nasty wrangle over ignoring that policy, would be as follows: Once you have some media coverage, take those refs to the friendly volunteers at the Articles for Creation desk, and ask someone else to create the article about your organisation. Once the article is created, the right way to get it changed or updated would be NOT to do so yourself, but to post a message to its talk/discussion page to simply identify yourself as the founder of the group, or as one of its members, or whatever, and ask others to make the changes you want. I know it sounds cumbersome, but this process is the only way we've been able to keep the encylopedia from becoming just another free web hosting service for the world. It's supposed to be an encyclopaedia about notable topics, you understand, not myspace or facebook. Best of luck with your new venture, and with getting media coverage for it. Sorry to have to disappoint you, for now. Cheers,  – OhioStandard (talk) 11:31, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Help with reviewing Good article nominations

I nominated an article at WP:GAN some time ago. I decided to help with reviewing nominations there but I have no idea how or where to start. I know there is WP:WIAGA listing the criteria, but I am looking for something like Help:How to review good article nominations. WP:WIAGA#What is a good article? contains a lot of wikilinks to other pages I have to read (although I might know some of this already). Perhaps I should write Help:How to review good article nominations first combining all this scattered information in one place? Any experienced GA reviewer around who can provide some tipps on getting started? -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 08:47, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm not a GA reviewer, but for me WP:WIAGA#What is a good article? seems clear enough. Are you basically proposing a rewrite of "WP:WIAGA#What is a good article?" that explains all of the concepts like "clear and concise", "copyright laws", "lead section", "layout" etc. inline instead of by using bluelinks? OR are you intending to write a step-by-step set of instructions like they have at Misplaced Pages:Reviewing good articles#How to review a Good article nomination? I worry that rewriting these guides might be regarded as redundant. How would your guide be different? -Thibbs (talk) 13:05, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I should read through WP:RGA then. I agree that the proposed new page might be considered redundant. Thanks. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 13:16, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Wikimarkup for a single newline after a displayed box?

Hi, all. I'd like to place a single line of whitespace immediately beneath a barnstar that a pleasant chap just gave me, to seperate the graphic from the subsequent text of my reply to thank him. I haven't been able to do that, though: My only choices seem to render as either no newline or two newlines. I could use some help, please: Feel free to edit the relevant section to demonstrate, if you like. Cheers,  – OhioStandard (talk) 10:58, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

I've been experimenting with little success. One thing that slightly reduces this space is to replace the following:

|}</br>
:Thanks

with

|}</br>Thanks

and if you want to indent you can always use

|}{{indent|5}}Thanks

But I'm not sure it's worth it really. The response you left is perfectly readable to me. I think it would be clear with zero space or with a double space just as well as with a single space. Most editors would hardly notice. -Thibbs (talk) 13:30, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes, thanks, I'd tried all those. But there's no reason we shouldn't be able to select a single rather than a double space after a box is rendered. The problem comes up a lot, actually, in article space as well, e.g. after a table of contents box. I'm a bit ADD, so my eyes are probably drawn to anomalies like this more readily than other people's would be, but it'd be nice to be able to choose just a single space. Does anyone else know how to do it?  – OhioStandard (talk) 14:25, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

I played with various things and failed so I turned to tables and came up with a really ugly hack. Please do revert for any reason. It has problems, such as that someone who wishes to respond might be daunted by the code, and also the hack of making the table borders (which is what places the spacing) white so they disappear fails if, for example, someone is viewing Misplaced Pages with a personal CSS setting the background to non-white, or using the blackle-like option from preferences.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:35, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Hey, Fuhghettaboutit! What a pleasure to see you're still on the watch! An ugly hack? Nah, I'd call it a clever solution to a vexing difficulty, the importance of which cannot be understated. But then, I'm very drunk right now... Just kidding about that: Perhaps the great unwashed might be forgiven for thinking it just a teensy bit cumbersome when seen in edit mode, but it's a thing of beauty as it renders, and I'll treasure it always.... I do like it, actually, and will certainly keep it in place. Thanks for your effort, very much; it might even prompt me to learn something about table markup, too, of which I'm almost entirely ignorant. Cheers,  – OhioStandard (talk) 01:15, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Glad to help, and thanks for the kind words!--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:20, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Try {{break}}. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  15:35, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Does that do anything different than just using <br /> which was tried? I just previewed using it and the same problem of two line spacing results.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:53, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

How can I disable the spam filter?

When trying to collect sources for an article on a page in my userspace, I often come across links such as

http://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=solutions%20of%20the%20congruence%202n-2&source=web&cd=2&sqi=2&ved=0CDQQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ams.org%2Fmcom%2F1984-43-167%2FS0025-5718-1984-0744937-1%2FS0025-5718-1984-0744937-1.pdf&ei=Q4yST62vF4OLswaKy7XeBA&usg=AFQjCNHgrWFNnhzGzrWzINJN2QuGvutldw

The http://www.google.de/url? part of the url seems to trigger the spam filter. How can I prevent the spam filter from being activated by this? -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 11:06, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

You could ask for an exception to be added at MediaWiki talk:Spam-whitelist. Is the pdf no longer hosted on that website? Яehevkor ✉ 11:20, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it's there at http://www.ams.org/journals/mcom/1984-43-167/S0025-5718-1984-0744937-1/S0025-5718-1984-0744937-1.pdf. Just a case of chopping off the spurious tops & tails & turning %3A into : and %2F into / - David Biddulph (talk) 11:31, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

And (for me at least) if I put the google url into my browser it will redirect to the real url, so the real url is there in my address bar. - David Biddulph (talk) 12:02, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Is there a userright that can ignore the spam filter? After all, it is not my intention to spam. The spam filter wastes time in which I want to make good faith edits to improve the encyclopedia and massively annoys me. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 11:53, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't understand why you would want to put the google url into Misplaced Pages? The url of the source is the ams.org address. - David Biddulph (talk) 12:02, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

I understand that. However, when I only want to collect reference urls on a page in my userspace to put the references in articles later, I often only want to go quickly through Google and save a large number of urls to be put into articles in mainspace later. Furthermore the time I have available for Misplaced Pages is limited, thus this is a big (and in my opinion unnecessary) annoyance preventing me from doing good faith edits to store Google search results for references on a page in my userspace for later use. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 12:10, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

I am going to propose the whitelisting of http://www.google.de/url? at MediaWiki talk:Spam-whitelist. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 12:21, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Proposed at WT:WHITELIST#http://www.google.de/url?. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 12:32, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

~ Misplaced Pages Most Visited Page ~

is nobody updating this??? -- http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Popular_pages there's nothing current on google Thingstofollow (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 11:33, 21 April 2012 (UTC).

Yeah, nobody is updating that any more. The reasons may have to do with traffic spam artificially boosting the numbers for some pages and generally producing unreliable figures. -Thibbs (talk) 12:53, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Language Identification Guide

Where is Misplaced Pages's Language Identification Guide? I remember seeing an article here that told you how to identify unknown languages by looking for various letters and the like, but now it is impossible to find. I've tried googling everything I can think of to no avail. It's very Orwellian.Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii (talk) 13:58, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

It's not Misplaced Pages's page, but if you go to Google Translate then one of the options in the "From:" dropdown menu is "Detect language". If you copy&paste the foreign-language text into the window, Google will automatically detect the language and it will be displayed in the "From:" field. -Thibbs (talk) 14:06, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

I guess you are looking for Misplaced Pages:Language recognition chart. The mainspace article Language identification has some external links to language tools. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:08, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Young justice Episodes Somebody Deleted all the episode names and dates

So i wanted to see when the next episode was on and they are all gone http://en.wikipedia.org/List_of_Young_Justice_episodes#Season_1_.282010.E2.80.932011.29 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.168.8.40 (talk) 14:12, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

The page history shows an unregistered user removed the episodes 45 minutes ago. I have restored them. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:21, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Attribution question

I was patrolling new pages and I discovered Carlo T. Piranio, which contains content copied from here. The content is released under a CC-BY-SA license so it needs attribution. Can someone point me to the proper template to create the attribution? Ryan Vesey Review me! 18:20, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't think Wikia is under the WikiMedia Foundation, although they are clearly related. But I think the info pertinent to CC-BY-SA material at WP:CWW should be largely applicable to this situation. Attribution can be made as described here or if you're short of time you can tag the problem as shown here. I think. -Thibbs (talk) 21:08, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Attempt to request Flickr (CC-BY) image upload declined as "File is corrupt. Still not able to view the image."

I was looking for an image to illustrate Boots Motel (a U.S. Route 66 historic restoration in progress) and found Search Flickr for images with the keywords: "Boots Motel" under these licenses: cc-by or cc-by-sa but my request on files for upload is being failed repeatedly with "file is corrupt".

Description: 2008 | Boots Motel, Carthage, MO

URL: http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3244/2959307344_f7697079b8_z.jpg

License: Creative Commons Attribution {{Cc-by-3.0}}

Link To License Information: http://www.flickr.com/photos/maureendidde/2959307344/

Author/Copyright Holder's Name: 'maureen lunn' (Maureen Didde)

Article To Be Used On/Reason For Upload: Boots Motel --66.102.83.61 (talk) 07:05, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Symbol declined.svg File upload request declined. File is corrupt. Still not able to view the image. WheresTristan 17:53, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure what to do next as these links do work from here (they return a photo of an old neon sign of a US route 66 motel). 66.102.83.61 (talk) 18:25, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure what the person who declined your request was seeing but I had no problems with the image. I have uploaded it to the Wikimedia Commons and you can view it locally at File:Boots Motel (US 66).jpg.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 19:20, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Looks good, thank you, I shall carefully tuck this away in an infobox so that it does not get misplaced. :) 66.102.83.61 (talk) 19:57, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Firefox article needs help

The firefox article is in SERIOUS need of repair, the way it stands currently is horrible. I have made edits to try and keep it relevant, but so many sections are outdated and contain irrelevant information, that trying to maintain the article on my own has become far to much of a burden.

I would love it if we could get some more people editing this article regularly, because I am really the only one doing that. Trewyy (talk) 20:03, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Comment: I wouldn't note it as "in SERIOUS need of repair, as it is rated as B-class. However, it is outdated. Drla8th! (talk) 20:52, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

The article is overseen by a number of different WikiProjects (groups of editors who concentrate on certain topics of their expertise or special interest). You might want to ask them for help on their various talk pages. The different WikiProjects that cover "Firefox" include WikiProject Computing, WikiProject Software (specifically the Free Software department), WikiProject Internet, and WikiProject Apple Inc.. You could also ask for help on the article's talk page here. -Thibbs (talk) 21:17, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your help. As for asking help on the talk page, that is essentially useless considering the amount of times I have asked for help, and received none for asking. I will go to each WikiProject, and request help. As for the article being B-Class, I would seriously doubt that considering it likely hasn't been reviewed in quite a while. Thanks again! ҭᴙᴇᴡӌӌ 15:10, 22 April 2012 (UTC) Resolved

Tarzan

For Tarzan, Glenn Morris also played the character in Tarzan's Revenge on 1938. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.168.14.237 (talk) 20:35, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Please discuss at Tarzan's Revenge or wherever appropriate. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  20:47, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Specifically, it's probably best to discuss at Talk:Tarzan's Revenge. -Thibbs (talk) 21:10, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Typo Note 3 and in body of text, Article about Joan Szymko

My work is cited, but my name is misspelled. It should be Jan Maher, and in the note, Maher, Jan. I'm sorry I don't know how to do this simple correction myself...

In 1993 Szymko took a position directing the Aurora Chorus in Portland, Oregon. She founded the women's choir Viriditas Vocal Ensemble in 1994. Szymko composed the music for the Broadway musical Do Jump! and Jan Mahler's play Most Dangerous Women.

^ Mahler, Jan (2006). Most dangerous women: bringing history to life through readers' theater.

Y Done. -Thibbs (talk) 21:19, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

To do this yourself, click on the up arrow in the reference and that will take you to where the reference was used. Click on "Edit" at the beginning of the section, of "Edit this page" at the top of the page, and look for "<ref>" and </ref>. Make the correction between the two uses of "ref". If the reference is used more than once and you see "<ref name=refname/>", click on the letters a, b, c after the arrow.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 19:40, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Answer

Can somebody answer my question over at WT:Vandalism? It's been there for a day. (Section:Ironic?) Drla8th! (talk) 21:26, 21 April 2012 (UTC)  Done by Thibbs --Drla8th! (talk) 21:50, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

No ratings options on President Obama's article

To whom it may concern:

I am curious as to why we are able to rate each article at the bottom of the page except for President Obama's page. It is the only page I cannot access the ratings options that are located at the bottom of every other page.

Is Misplaced Pages acting on behalf of an individual? Is that ethical? Can your site be trusted if you are not willing to allow people to judge the validity of the article on the current President when you allow us to judge the article on other Presidents?

I am very curious to know what your thoughts are on this matter.

Please advise, DJS — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djgs82373 (talk • contribs) 21:27, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Barack Obama has a "Help improve this article" box instead where readers can write specific feedback which seems more helpful to editors working on the article. See Misplaced Pages:Article Feedback Tool/Version 5/Help#Why is there a new Article Feedback Tool? There are around 22000 articles testing this feedback tool. A lot of articles regarding the United States presidential election, 2012 were manually selected for the test in Category:Article Feedback 5 Additional Articles. This includes Obama and all the main Republican candidates. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:58, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

(e/c) At any point did it occur to you that it might be better to just ask neutrally rather than jumping to some nefarious conspiracy theory conclusion? <rest of post omitted as redundant to the above>--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:06, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Not all articles have ratings boxes. Most of them do, but not all, and I'm not sure there's any pattern to which are ratable and which are not. Symbol (chemical element), for example, has no rating box and it seems unlikely that there is any political motivation behind that. It's also worth noting that other prominent political figures like Mitt Romney also have no ratings box. Perhaps the decision to remove rating boxes from articles on "trending" politicians is that such ratings are almost certain to be polluted by ratings based on personal feelings toward the candidate rather than on the article. If you are really curious you could perhaps get more information by posting a question here. -Thibbs (talk) 22:12, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

I see the "Help improve this article" box on all of Barack Obama, Symbol (chemical element) and Mitt Romney. They are among the around 22000 articles displaying this instead of the "Rate this page" box. But there appears to be browser issues. Internet Explorer and Opera don't display the "Help improve this article" box for me. Firefox and Google Chrome display it. All four browsers show "Rate this page" on the 99.4% of articles not selected for the "Help improve this article" test. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:45, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

My version of Firefox seems not to display it either. I wonder if it's only compatible with some versions of Firefox. -Thibbs (talk) 23:36, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Is there any way I can get rid of that awful "Improve this page" box that seems to accompany Article Feedback 5?

But not remove the entire feedback widget itself? The box that is perpetually in the lower right corner of the page is the one of which I speak, and the "x" in the box does nothing. I'll even take code that I can put on my css or js page to make it disappear. - Purplewowies (talk) 22:21, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Add this line to Special:MyPage/common.css (applies to all skins) or Special:MyPage/skin.js Special:MyPage/skin.css (your current skin):

#articleFeedbackv5-bottomrighttab{display:none}

PrimeHunter (talk) 22:59, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! It works (though I added it to my current skin's css page). - Purplewowies (talk) 01:05, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Why does the "X" in the box not work, and why does the box need to be there floating at the bottom right in the first place? —{|Retro00064|☎talk|✍contribs|} 01:10, 22 April 2012 (UTC).

April 22

Pronunciation of English words: IPA hover-key and phonetic respelling

Despite all of the great things that can be said about IPA, most people aren't interested in learning it when opening a wikipedia article, and a standard IPA pronunciation key isn't much help to most people. I was very pleased when I learned about the two methods of helping people that: the Pronunciation respelling key, and the IPA hover key which shows the pronunciation of each IPA symbol with an example when you hover over it. My question is, though, why aren't they more commonly used? I rarely find them in articles that have difficult pronunciations. Is there some sort of policy against them, or would it be alright to add them to every article that already has an IPA key? I can't see any downsides to including them; certainly not for the hover-key. Seriously, why isn't the hover functionality just there by default? Strange Quirk (talk) 00:02, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

I agree with you, but I know there are others who disagree. The hovering text seems like an elegant solution, but unfortunately it conflicts with WP:ACCESS (see WP:NOSYMBOLS point #3) because some computers can't render it and, more significantly, TTS text-readers don't read the text so blind readers are left in the lurch. I think that in the few places where you do see it, it is redundant information so blind users aren't disadvantaged. -Thibbs (talk) 00:37, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Jeff Pope TV Producer

en.wikipedia.org/Jeff_Pope Jeff Pope British Film and TV Producer was born on October 2nd 1961, not in 1959 as currently stated. This posted by me, Jeff Pope. 203.45.89.8 (talk) 00:25, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Do you have a website or do you know of any books/magazines/etc where this fact appears? The previous date (1959) has been removed, but to add your correct birthdate we need a reliable source. -Thibbs (talk) 00:48, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

link to a virus

I don't know how to delete anything here, and I don't know where else to post this, since I can't find somewhere to post about a wikipedia link that leads to a trojan horse site (according to my anti-virus software).

The link that contains a trojan horse is an external link called: Jack D. Schwager, The Unofficial Fan Website. That link can be found at the wikipedia page for Jack D. Schwager

Thanks in advance to anyone who kills the link, A_Concerned_User — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.169.26.5 (talk) 01:01, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

My anti-virus software did not verify your concern. — O'Dea (talk) 03:22, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

setting up an online curriculum for high school students - advanced learning

Hi, My niece is in high school and is interested in history, however their curriculum is very elementary and does not challenge her. Is there a way to set up an online reading assignment where I can assign topics on a weekly basis and she gets email notification. If there is an option to set this up, then I want to propose it to her high school, giving other students to join the list. My goal is to create an online independent study program for those motivated and wanting to further their knowledge base but don't have the direction or resources. Currently high schools here don't offer advanced level classes and I wanted to introduce that but via electronic independent learning. Using wikipedia and its articles to set up a curriculum. Thanks Ajay — Preceding unsigned comment added by Docajay (talk • contribs) 03:17, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages does not offer such a facility. — O'Dea (talk) 03:32, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Charles William Paddock's nickname/byname is "CHARLEY",,, NOT `Charlie` !

We CAN'T seem to correct our grandpa's name, on the title from `Charlie` to the Correct name "CHARLEY"

We have proof!!!...We have a bunch of his autograph's, on books and photo's ...And he ALWAYS signed his name "CHARLEY" !!

Pleaase help us (The Paddock's) fix this error, on the title...We already changed the contents, but we CAN'T change the title!

Here is the page with the error:

http://en.wikipedia.org/Charles_Paddock

We Thank you.

www.CharlesPaddock.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.39.148 (talk) 03:24, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

The photograph posted at that website (I could not verify if it is "official" as claimed) shows the name spelled Charlie". — O'Dea (talk) 03:29, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

That particular photograph and some newspaper articles do refer to him as Charlie, but many also use Charley. The website is consistent in using Charley, but I was convinced by the articles he wrote for Collier's Weekly, which all have his name as "Charley Paddock". I've gone ahead and moved the page. Gobōnobo 12:51, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

I removed the duplicate text from your question. There's no need to ask it twice. Astronaut (talk) 16:41, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Lisa wife of Paul Burlison and former Playboy Bunnie in Chicago, also Lisa was a Diplomatic Courier for the Fifth Corp, 70's out of AG Farben Building, Germany

Lisa Burlison widow of Paul Burlison, Lisa also a former Playboy Bunnie in Chicago and she was also a Diplomatic Courier working out of the AG Farben Building in Frankfurt rhine Main, Germany, At this Lisa became a good friend to Kris Krisstopherson in the '70s. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.1.4.221 (talk) 03:49, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

No! Seriously? — O'Dea (talk) 09:26, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

If you'd like to create an article about Lisa Burlison, then you are encouraged to create an account for yourself and then start editing. You should note that multiple reliable sources will be a must if you want the article to survive deletion and also the topic of the article must be notable in it's own right. So Lisa's connection to Paul Burlison shouldn't be the basis for her notability. She must be independently notable. Good luck. -Thibbs (talk) 14:25, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Another option is to simply expand coverage of her under the Paul Burlison article. You will still need reliable sources for reference, though. -Thibbs (talk) 14:26, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Undoing a redirct

Here is my issue. I am working on an article, List of equestrian statues in the United States. I was entering a work by sculptor Electra Waggoner Biggs, whom I was pretty sure that there would be no article about, and I was prepared to do a stub. However her name came up as a link, only it is a redirect, a link to one of her works - interestingly enough, the one I was going to enter on the list. The article that she is redirected to, Riding Into the Sunset is not a good article and needs some serious work, which I can do. Later. For now I'd like Electra Waggoner Biggs to be able to have her own article and Riding into the Sunset can also have an article. I don't know how to undo or remove a redirect. Do you? Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 04:36, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

According to its viewable history, it has only existed as a redirect. Your choices seem to be to Misplaced Pages:Be bold, edit the page removing the redirect, replacing it with the biography, or to develop the article and then list it at Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion, requesting endorsement of the change. Dru of Id (talk) 04:59, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Btw, this help desk section and the two other articles you cited are as yet the only ones which link there. Dru of Id (talk) 05:02, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, Dru. I don't mind being bold, I don't like being stupid. I got the redirect out and put a little placer in that will do for now. Life is good, Carptrash (talk) 05:24, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

I've reverted your change. An article with no significant content is likely to be deleted, so I've reverted to the redirect until you have time to write an acceptable article. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:36, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Trans terms

Trans terms are, by their very nature, extremely ambiguous. Instead of woman, man, etc, it's person, people, etc.. For many articles, ambiguous terms are fine. For others though, there seems to be a gray area. I reverted an edit on one of those potentially gray articles this evening. The user was clearly trying to make the article more Trans friendly (given their previous edit). The one edit should be reverted as it was addressing a specific woman in the study. The other one is the reason I made this post.

In my opinion, given that the article is about a product that affects those of the population who are biologically female, the switch to ambiguous terms seems unnecessary and a bit confusing, considering we're talking about a medical issue here and transgendered persons are still very, very rare. But, should it be ambiguous? I'm just thinking about all the articles something like this could affect (pregnancy, breastfeeding, menstruation, ejaculation, testicles, etc) and I'm just not sure where the community stands, as a whole. ICYTIGER'SBLOOD 05:56, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

The relevant guideline is Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style#Identity. Dru of Id (talk) 06:03, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

That doesn't answer my question at all. That addresses specific people, not people in general. ICYTIGER'SBLOOD 06:22, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Very basic guidance from the introduction of Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style: "Writing should be clear and concise. Plain English works best: avoid ambiguity, jargon, and vague or unnecessarily complex wording." Dru of Id (talk) 08:00, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Suggestion: When rolling over a link to an article, display a small summary of the article in a tool-tip.

It would save lots of time when reading an article with many links to other articles if I could roll/drag over the link and, after a half-second delay, see a small 1 or 2-sentence summary or definition of the term or article that it links to. It might also save Misplaced Pages some bandwidth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.8.243.111 (talk) 07:21, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

This is already available. If you register an account, which is free and quick, you can enable "Navigation popups" which does exactly this. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:30, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

WHO HAS ACCESS TO ARTICLE 18 USC SECTION 2257

Who has access to article 18 of the USC section 2257. I have written a registered letter to one of the custodian keepers as displayed on the website but this was returned unclaimed due to it being an insufficient address...how is this possible? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.6.59.150 (talk) 08:10, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Please explain "ARTICLE 18 USC SECTION 2257". — O'Dea (talk) 09:22, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

This is the help desk of Misplaced Pages, an online encyclopedia built by volunteers from all over the world via the internet. This help desk is for questions about using and editing Misplaced Pages itself. You might want to ask your question again at Misplaced Pages:Reference desk/Miscellaneous, which is the right place to ask knowledge questions. Best of luck. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 09:25, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

For those interested from what I can gather, 18 USC Section 2257 refers to the Child Protection and Obscenity Enforcement Act, or some portion thereof. --kelapstick 09:37, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

2012RIQUIER

2012RIQUIER existe bel et bien...!!! Voir son article dans le Journal de l'IBNS 2012 Volume 51, Number 1 pages 47 & 48 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2012RIQUIER (talk • contribs) 08:38, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Translation via Google translator:

2012RIQUIER does exist ...! See his article in the Journal of the IBNS 2012 Volume 51, Number 1 Pages 47 & 48

-- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 08:44, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Please help re Leila Berg, author, who died 17/4/12

Re: http://en.wikipedia.org/Leila_Berg

My mother Leila Berg, author, died on Tuesday 17 April 2012. A few days ago.

It has only just occurred to me to look at her entry in Wikepedia.

I have not visited this entry for years but it seems to me that it is vastly changed since I did.

The content is far shorter, inadequate to her achievement, contribution and influence on children's literature and re alternative education.

Biographical information is totally inadequate.

We, my sister and myself, have been mystified by the lack of response from press about her death.

I have seen from the statistics that there has been a clear jump in visits to the page, but nothing like the size to be expected.

I am therefore assuming that the press response has been influenced by the contents of the page, and feel very distressed about it.

I am absolutely in shock, on top of still trying to deal with her death, at what is happening, or more accurately, not happening.

Leila was an important children's author. Her papers re work for children are being archived at Seven Stories archive of British children's literature attached to Newcastle University http://www.sevenstories.org.uk/. Her papers re work for adults are being archived at The Institute of Education, University of London http://www.ioe.ac.uk/services/.

She has her own (admittedly primitive) website which I created myself years ago at www.aspects.co.uk/~leilaberg.

We have not been contacted by anyone about editing her page and do not know the people who have meddled with it.

ParamBerg (talk) 09:42, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

To begin with, every sympathy for your sad loss.

If you go to the Article you have linked and click the "View history" tab at the top, you can see a complete list of all the revisions that have been made to it since its creation: each entry includes the User ID of the Editor who made the change, and links to both the resulting "Cur"rent and the preceding "Prev"ious versions, with the changes highlighted, so none of the information ever entered in the article is inaccessible, even if it has been deleted from the visible article itself.

Each "History" entry includes the overall resulting size of the article in bytes, and these figures show an overall steady increase in the article's length from 3,577 bytes in October 2005 to 4,599 as of 20 April 2012. This suggests that you are misremembering the previous state of the article – perhaps you are conflating it with an article you saw somewhere else. Although I have not examined every revision in detail, I do not at first glance notice any obvious evidence of any vast changes or inappropriate meddling, but only good-faith attempts to improve the article.

Misplaced Pages is intentionally "The Encyclopedia anyone can edit" so there is no reason for anyone who has edited the article to have contacted its subject or her relatives/representatives before doing so – if there were, the Encyclopedia would probably be much shorter! However, all contributions (or deletions) are supposed to be based on cited, verifiable (i.e. published) sources, so that both false information (which people sometimes insert maliciously as "vandalism", or mistakenly through genuine belief), and unnecessary deletions (which may be made on judgements of style, appropriateness, etc) are minimised: other interested editors usually evaluate article changes and revert or modify them if they think them inappropriate, and overall this "mutual policing" approach works quite well, although it can never be perfect. Unfortunately, but necessarily, it also precludes true information added on the basis of a contributor's personal knowledge without independently verifiable proof.

As someone with a lifelong active interest in fiction writing (and a former professional non-fiction editor), I can understand your distress at what must seem an inadequate immediate press response to your Mother's death, but my own experience is that most writers, though important to us for whatever reason, are not so prominent in the minds of the public as a whole (or the press's interpretation of the public's interests), and only really major and current "household names" receive extensive, immediate coverage in the daily press. It may very well be that more considered, in-depth articles about Leila Berg will appear in due course in weekly or monthly periodicals.

In due course you may want to contribute improvements to the article, which you can do as readily as anyone else. However, if you do, please first look up and be mindful of the policies surrounding possible conflicts of interest, and the need to provide published references for any information.

Once again, I am sure I can speak for everyone in expressing my sympathies for your loss. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.197.66.5 (talk) 10:53, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Indeed I echo 90.197.66.5's comments and I am sorry for your loss. Regarding your capacity to improve the article, ParamBerg, 90.197.66.5 is correct that you need to be mindful of WP:COI if you are editing the article, but one very good way to avoid COI problems is to limit your contributions to the presentation of reliable sources about your mother. Being so close to the subject of the article you may be an invaluable source of leads regarding books, magazine articles, academic papers, and other sources that have covered her and her work. The sourcing for this article is currently rather scant and it would be extremely beneficial to the article to get up some good solid sources to verify the information currently present and to bolster new information that would enable the article to grow. Again, my deepest sympathies for your loss. And thank you for your interest in Misplaced Pages's coverage of your mother. -Thibbs (talk) 14:05, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Comparison of ...

hello! where can I find a list of all the "Comparison of ..." wikipedia webpages? thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.132.61.165 (talk) 12:01, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Is this search of some help? -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 12:56, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Category:Comparisons and its subcategories might be what you're looking for. Gobōnobo 12:58, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Or this. Regards.--GoP_{TN 13:46, 22 April 2012 (UTC)}

Defining several parameters of a specific template

Is it possible to define more than one problem when using Template:Unsolved? In an article where this template is used, I would like to state more than one unsolved problem relating to the topic of the article. Should I simply use more than one instance of the template (which is not what I would prefer) or is there a possibility to define several problems via a single instance of the template? -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 12:34, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't think the template supports that, but you can use a wikitable to produce something like this. Gobōnobo 13:21, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Unsolved problems in X

Y
Z

Thanks, but I don't really like that solution. I think I am going to create a new version of this template that supports multiple parameters. I guess I need to experiment a bit. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 13:37, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

appearance/skin for unregistered user in FireFox

Normally, en.wikipedia.org is the default home page on my Firefox browser, which I use as an unregistered user unless I want to edit a wiki page. Before I installed Mcafee, I ran something that deleted some information including some cookies; now, my default home page is without frames: it has a "navigation" and "search" linked way down the page. If I log into Misplaced Pages, everything is fine, using the skin specified in my user preferences. I just want a non-mobile skin as an unregistered user in Firefox. From Microsoft IE, as an unregistered Misplaced Pages user, en.wikipedia.org looks fine. Logging into our computer as either my wife or kids, in either IE or Firefox, en.wikipedia.org looks fine as an unregistered user. What was deleted and what can be restored to have a better appearance as an unregistered user in Firefox, my browser preference? Dagordon01 (talk) 12:37, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Clear your entire cache. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:43, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

It worked. Not sure what got deleted in the process, but thank you. Dagordon01 (talk) 20:06, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

THE VOICE UK FINAL CONTESTANTS KATE READ

Hi there, my names Clare Read, Kate Reads mother who is currently part of the voice uk. We noticed that under Kate's name it says she was part of some group named the Kittenettes.. This isn't actually true- infant we've never even heard about any of this. Can you please delete this false information as its Kate's reputation. Please ackownledge by email & confirm that you have done this to <email address removed> , thank you.

Clare Read — Preceding unsigned comment added by ClareRead0610 (talk • contribs) 12:50, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

The unsourced material has been removed. Gobōnobo 13:14, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

BLP Rule

I'm a bit confused, and it has been a while since I've dealt with it. Does a BLP require at least one source which can be an external link or does it need to be an inline citation? Ryan Vesey Review me! 13:53, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

WP:BLP states that "all quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citation". So the answer to your question depends on whether you are seeking to add an additional external link to a BLP to generally improve it or whether you are trying to use a generic external link to source "material challenged or likely to be challenged". You should probably try to use an inline citation if possible, but if you are just adding a helpful external link then BLP's external link guideline can be found at WP:BLPEL. -Thibbs (talk) 14:10, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Also note that WP:N also applies, and in order to demonstrate notability of the subject, "multiple sources are generally expected". So I think you should aim for a bare minimum of 2 independent sources and really you should try to get more than the bare minimum in order to be truly safe from the deletion squad. -Thibbs (talk) 14:15, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, I was specifically referring to the BLP-PROD. If an article has nothing but a single external link, can it still be deleted under BLP-PROD? Ryan Vesey Review me! 01:49, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

I believe the short answer is yes. If the link is identified as an "External Link" (i.e. it is located in the "External links" subsection of the article) then it is not being explicitly used as a reference. General references must be located under a "References" (or probably "Citations", "Sources", etc.) subsection in order to be considered verifying material. Of course some degree of critical thinking should enter into the decision, though, as new editors may have mistakenly called the "General Reference" an "External link". Malformed references, if reliable, are sufficient to meet the burden of Verifiability. If possible I'd change the external link into an inline citation and properly ref the BLP before PRODing it. But in the case of BLPs, Misplaced Pages tends to err on the side of caution so I think that if in doubt you might be more often correct to nominate it for deletion than to let it slide. A possible alternative to the PROD is just running it through the normal AfD process if reliable sourcing is evident through an external link. -Thibbs (talk) 18:38, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

What is appropriate content for an article?

My question can be formulated generally, but arises in a particular context.

General formulation: Is it a goal of WP articles to widen the reader's grasp of a topic by relating it to context? Is this aim strictly subordinate to brevity and simplicity of explanation? How brief is brief enough?

Specific context: In the article Wavelength I have attempted to insert a brief reference to the connection of wavelength to the Fourier series representation of a function periodic with a given wavelength. Another editor with pronounced views about "bloat" objects to this addition as a digression from the main topic, and two other editors also appear to have this view. None of these editors chooses to address the value of widening a reader's awareness of this ramification of wavelength. A See...also link at the end of the article is inadequate to make the connection for the reader.

It is a matter of opinion, of course, as to how central a particular topic may be to an article. However, it would seem that unless an WP:Undue argument can be supported, it is an aid to the reader in broadening their sense of a subject to include brief reference to matters that connect the topic to others.

It would seem that "majority rule" is the de facto governance of such situations, whether it be to support or to deny inclusion of such connections. What guidance is there on WP in handling such matters? Brews ohare (talk) 14:38, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is a collaborative workspace that operates through consensus. This isn't a foolproof system, but it generally produces fairly decent results. If you have a content dispute that cannot be solved through discussions leading to a new consensus, then you can take steps listed at the Dispute Resolution center. Taking the case to dispute resolution may engender hard feelings, though, so I would only escalate the dispute to the "dispute resolution" phase if A)You are convinced that your non-consensus view is correct, and B)Discussions in talk have reached a complete impasse. -Thibbs (talk) 14:53, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Consensus presumes some dialogue intended to adapt text to some compromise acceptable to all. I understand that process.

However, it seems, once things go to dispute resolution, "consensus" is used only to establish majority opinion among participants about editor's conduct and subject matter is neither here nor there.

Is there another approach to this matter? For example, can it be insisted that a WP:Undue argument is necessary to reject a valid and sourced contribution that is viewed as a digression by some? Brews ohare (talk) 15:07, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Dispute resolution covers content disputes as well as conduct disputes. For information on content disputes see this section. Regarding whether WP:UNDUE can be used to exclude a goodfaith sourced addition, I think the answer is yes. If there is disagreement over whether or not the added material is indeed undue then a consensus-geared discussion must take place and if the discussion fails then editors may wish to escalate to content dispute resolution. -Thibbs (talk) 15:16, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Your link to content disputes is helpful. I see that the idea of introducing a WP:Undue debate to force a true dialogue is a long shot. The best hope is to bring in more editors who have no personal history with myself. Brews ohare (talk) 15:38, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

submission for name inclusion in list

How can I put my name forward to be listed in "List of Canadian Artists"?Manonelder (talk) 16:29, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

In order to be included in the list, a stand-alone article should exist on the person, and for that to happen, the person needs to be notable. Here see WP:ARTIST. However, generally an article should be created about the person by a third-party, who has no inherent positive bias or desire for promotion. Please see our conflict of interests guidelines. Nevertheless, I am posting below some standard advice about creating an article.

A Wizard is available to walk you through these steps. See the Article Wizard.

Before creating an article, please search Misplaced Pages first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines with which all articles should comply. As Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Misplaced Pages:Your first article. You might also look at Misplaced Pages:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Misplaced Pages:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. An Article Wizard is also available to walk you through creating an article.Template:Z26--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:43, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Writing Article

Sir, is there any standard article which can be used a as a template to write a new article over the existing text or picture or tables of the standard article? As is there in case of templates of power point presentations. If its there pl refer to me or it may be created to help new commers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alokgoel121 (talk • contribs) 17:18, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

If you start at Misplaced Pages:Articles for creation then you get some advice and come to an edit box with a little prefilled content: Two lines with a references heading and code to display the references there. There is no other common content of articles so I don't think there is much use for article templates beyond that. If you see an existing article with something you think would be useful then you can click the "Edit" or "View source" tab and copy the coding. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:11, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Tables

How can I centre a simple table so it is not aligned to the left as by the default? Interchangeable 17:36, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

See Help:Table#Centering tables. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:51, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I guess you could also use the align="center" parameter, as can be seen at Help:Table#Mélange depending on the type of table you are dealing with. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 17:55, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Founder Parmesan

Hi my dad is mentioned in your Misplaced Pages. He introduced the Parmesan to he uk. His name is Nicos Harris. My name is Andrew Harris and his wife, my mother , is currently 89 and still cookes the original Parmesan . I would love to submit his picture nd perhaps some of his wife. Margarita Harris. Could you please tell me if this is feasible and how

Kind regards

Andrew Harris — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.68.104.68 (talk) 18:51, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

You can make the suggestion on the article's talk page. You should point to a reliable source that backs up your suggestion, WP:RS. Also, read the policy WP:COI. RudolfRed (talk) 19:05, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

The article Nicos Harris was deleted in 2009 as a copy violation of this website and CSD criteria A7. If you're interested in submitting photos to other articles, please start an account and see Misplaced Pages:Uploading images. SwisterTwister talk 19:28, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Also it seems this hasn't much to do with parmesan but is instead about parmo, an English regional dish, and the information about Nicos Harris is already in that article. --Saddhiyama (talk) 19:37, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Roots

I have come across the Alex Haley book, Roots. I am over halfway through with it and am enjoying immensely. I just was wondering what Wkipedia could tell me more about it, when I noticed that there is a difference between your article and my book. Your article says that John WALKER bought Kunta, my book says John WALLER. That the family was the Wallers. Just for your information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.212.100.175 (talk) 19:37, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. An unregistered user changed it from Waller to Walker in March. I have reverted it to Waller. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:42, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Ending a Deletion Discussion

I was reading how to end a delete discussion, but I don't quite understand. It says that after 7 days any user can move it to a part of the site where the admins will then review it and make the final decision. I don't get how you are suppose to move it to that area of the site. Was wondering if anyone could help. Please and thanks! --Shadow (talk) 19:50, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

I guess you refer to Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/2013 World Tour. It's correctly listed at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Log/2012 April 15 where administrators and others can see it. There is no moving involved. It will be closed where it is but it may take a little more than 7 days. You have participated in the discussion so you are not allowed to close it. Just wait for somebody else to do it. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:24, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Then what is the "/old page" thing on the deletion process about? That's what's confusing me. It says anyone can do it, it doesn't say that people who participated can't (unless I missed something). --Shadow (talk) 00:14, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

The page Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Old is a listing of discussions that have gone on for more than seven days. No pages are actually moved anywhere to create the "old" page; instead, the listing is compiled by a bot.

The section Misplaced Pages:Non-admin closure#Inappropriate closures says that those "having expressed an opinion in the deletion debate" may not close the debate. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:59, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Where exactly does it claim that anyone can do it? If it says that somewhere then we may have to revise the formulation. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:04, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Presumably they mean WP:NACD, but that's hardly a carte blanche for any passing editor to shut down the discussion. Quite a few very specific conditions still have to be met for non-admin closure, so I don't think we need to overhaul the rules just yet. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:09, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

WP:GTD, under closure: "After seven days of discussion, a volunteer will move the day's list of deletion discussions from the active page to the /Old page". Volunteer isn't exactly the most informative way of putting it. Then again, none of Misplaced Pages's rules are very helpful when it comes to understanding all of them. --Shadow (talk) 15:47, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the specific link and quote. The sentence is from 2005. I don't know whether it was accurate at the time but it's not today. I have changed it. Is clear? PrimeHunter (talk) 16:58, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Need help on a Move

I am trying to get Footprints of Eve to be moved to an article name of Eve's footprint, however it doesn't seem to work the way I was expecting. Can someone help me? Thanks.--Doug Coldwell 19:54, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

It looks OK to me. You moved it twice and this caused a double redirect. It was fixed by a bot in after your post here. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:16, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Isn't something wrong with this article?

MTV_Roadies_(season_8) I think that this article includes too much misc information, is it a encyclopedic article?Max Viwe | Wanna chat with me? 20:49, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

The correct place to raise this question is at the article talk page of the article in question. If you wish to be bold, you could read WP:TRIVIA and arrive at your own conclusions, but be prepared to discuss with others if anyone objects to your editing. But it is proper to discuss the content of articles on the article talk pages. --Jayron32 22:42, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

bridges

I would like to know the when the old bridge over the river nidd was built between the villages of killinghall and ripley north yorkshire england. also the pack horse bridge at knox over the oak beck in harrogate north yorkshire ,when was this built .

john robinson — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.22.185.146 (talk) 21:36, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Have you tried Misplaced Pages's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Misplaced Pages, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps.Template:Z37 PrimeHunter (talk) 22:11, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

According to the English Heritage listings, the former is "C17 or earlier with C18 and C19 alterations" and the latter is "probably C18 with C19 repairs". It doesn't sound as though anyone knows exactly when either bridge was built. Deor (talk) 22:30, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Phishing email under wikipedia banner ?

Folks.

I have been sent the following email: " Misplaced Pages Someone (probably you, from IP address 244.202.112.174) requested a reminder of your account details for Misplaced Pages. The following user account is associated with this e-mail address: This reminder will expire in 7 days. If you didn't initiate the request on Misplaced Pages, feel free to cancel this message,, http://carewelhealth.com/, and uncheck the "Reminder" checkbox in your account. Thanks, and once again Welcome! http://en.wikipedia.org "

We bleive this to be from "suspicious site".

Does it have any relevance to Misplaced Pages / Wikimedia ?

~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.91.9.190 (talk) 23:13, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

That is not the correct wording of mails from Misplaced Pages/Wikimedia. The unrelated link to carewelhealth.com is suspicious. Ignore the mail. Below is a correct mail made at Special:PasswordReset. I redacted IP address and password. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:39, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Someone (probably you, from IP address ) requested a reminder of your account details for Misplaced Pages (http://en.wikipedia.org/Main_Page). The following user account is associated with this e-mail address:

Username: PrimeHunter
Temporary password:

This temporary password will expire in 7 days. You should log in and choose a new password now. If someone else made this request, or if you have remembered your original password, and you no longer wish to change it, you may ignore this message and continue using your old password."

Thanks PrimeHunter. It would seem that someone is definitely phishing for something. No password reset was requested, and my accounts in Misplaced Pages have been dormant for about 3 years. Perhaps somene is trawling for dead accounts ? Do the admins need to watch / issue a warning ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.91.9.190 (talk)

Anybody can enter any username at Special:PasswordReset. If the username exists and has stored an email address at Special:Preferences then a mail is sent to that address. This sometimes happen to users who didn't themselves request the mail. However, the wording of these mails is different from what you quote so in your case it must be a falsification. The real mails show the IP address used at Special:PasswordReset but the alleged IP address in your mail looks false. http://whois.arin.net/rest/nets;q=244.202.112.174?showDetails=true&showARIN=false&ext=netref2 says it is in a block reserved for future use. If we get more reports of this type of false mails then we may add it to Misplaced Pages:Phishing e-mails. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:52, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

The emails are not from wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Phishing_e-mails — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carrot70 (talk • contribs) 01:30, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

April 23

Why is contacting actual Misplaced Pages people so hard?

It's very simple, I wanted to request someone - someone who is not me - do an article on the arts & crafts supply "Puffy Paint" as I can't find anything other than store links to help explain to people who've never seen it what it is. Misplaced Pages keeps wanting me to search for something completely unrelated called "Puffy Planet."

I cannot find a way to request this. Nor can I find anyone who actually WORKS for Misplaced Pages to put in the request. It's VERY annoying. Just because this place is publically edited - which, frankly, is dumb as people enter incorrect information just to troll the site (such as when I found someone had changed The Sisterhood Of The Traveling Pants to say it was about four transvestites rather than teenage girls) - doesn't mean it shouldn't have official staff you can contact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JamiSings (talk • contribs) 03:36, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

• You're looking for Request an article. To answer your larger question, while Misplaced Pages does have staff most of them are volunteers and aren't generally going to be able to answer editing questions any better than the rest of the community can. Further info about contacting Misplaced Pages can be found at Misplaced Pages:Contact us. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 03:39, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Confirming quality for first page - So it won't be deleted

Hi,

I've created my first page for Misplaced Pages and was wondering how I know if it has been accepted by the editors?

I moved the page from my sandbox last Friday 20th April. The page can now be found via Wiki/Google and has had 50 or so views.

How can I tell if the page is of a high enough standard to be accepted and remain live?

Thanks for your help.

Englishmaninmelbourne (talk) 04:39, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

They seem to be referring to Preshill, The Margaret Lyttle Memorial School Junior Campus. Dismas| 07:02, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

It looks very good for a first attempt. If you hadn't said so I wouldn't have known. The prose seems quite acceptable and most importantly you've included a number of reliable sources, so I'd say that there's little chance of it being deleted outright. That's not to say that it is without problems, though. Here are a list of the most obvious problems I saw while skimming through:

1. I've added a missing punctuation mark and there may be others like this since I just skimmed it. It would also be a good idea to look at the spelling of "Preshil"/"Preshill" as there seems to be some disparity in its title in different articles on Misplaced Pages. So it would be good if you could make a quick review of it.
   There is also the issue of the alert tags on top and bottom...
2. The top tag says that the article is an orphan. It's generally a good idea to address tags as soon as possible so if you can think of any related articles (schools with similarly experimental design, schools in the vicinity, other design projects by the same architect, etc) then it would be good to link them to your article.
3. The tag at the bottom says that you haven't added any categories to the article yet. The best way to do this is to look at other similar articles and to copy the tags that they have that are applicable. as an example you could check out the way they handled it at Melbourne Grammar School.
4. The gallery of images you have is appealing in a way, but Misplaced Pages often prefers to minimize the use on non-free content. Many of the images have licensing problems in that you haven't drafted a license for them when you uploaded them. Misplaced Pages takes copyright issues very seriously so this means that if the licensing isn't cleared up the images may be deleted at any time. I know this can be rather confusing to a new editor so if you need help with the licenses, you could try asking at WP:IMAGEHELP. If it turns out that these are non-free images I think you will probably have to reduce the number of them that appear within the article.
5. But finally, the biggest problem that the article faces is that it seems rather likely to me that it will be merged with the article on Preshil the institution. I don't know if there is really enough difference between the institution and the campus to warrant two articles like this. Since your campus-related article is well sourced, the information is likely to be retained, but it will probably ultimately be merged in with the information in the institution article. It may be a good idea for you to pre-emptively consider good ways to merge the two articles since you seem to be familiar with the topic.

I hope this helped. Sorry to be so negative. It's an interesting and informative article, but I just wanted to cover every angle of it that might be susceptible to criticism. -Thibbs (talk) 14:21, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Upload an article from My sandbox field

Hello

please write me how could I upload encyclopedic text which I have done? I tried to put it a week ago, but I dont have any answer for it. Please, it is very important for me.

Best — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stefanakvark (talk • contribs) 08:58, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

I assume you mean the article located at User:Stefanakvark/sandbox. You can move this to mainspace by clicking the dropdown menu at the top of your screen (between the Search bar and the watchlist star) and selceting "Move". Then enter the new name for the article, and it will be moved to mainspace. Whether it belongs there is unclear - it needs reviewing by someone with more knowledge of maths than me. There are suggestions of original research, so I would strongly suggest putting it through AfC first (add {{subst:afc submission/submit}} to the top of the page) so it can be properly assessed. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:28, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately, significant part of the text is copied from published sources. So, you need to paraphrase it, unless you are an author of those texts. Ruslik_Zero 18:38, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

categorize the watchlist by subject

Is there a way to categorize the watchlist by subject? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaxal 0 (talk • contribs) 12:36, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

You can sort your watchlist by namespace (use the drop-down menu above the list itself) so that you only see edits to article, or talkpages, or userpages and so on. However, to the best of my knowledge you can't categorise it by subject - your watchlist lists edits as they are made, so they can only be organised by time. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:40, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean with "by subject". There are preferences to group edits to the same page. See more at Help:Watching pages. It says "Related Changes can also be used to monitor changes to pages belonging to a category". There is no option for a type of article when it's not a single category. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:45, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Moving an article from my sandbox to Misplaced Pages

Dear Editors Sorry, but I could not seem to find and answer to the following. Maybe the answer is obvious--but it was not to me. I have almost completed my article "Isothermal Microcalorimetry (IMC) in my sandbox. How do I move it from my sandbox to Misplaced Pages? Thanks for your help DanDaniels DanDaniels (talk) 13:27, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

You can click "Submit" in the box at the top saying "Finished? Submit the page!". Then an editor will review the submission. Headings should never have all capitals. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:38, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

The draft needs work on the layout and formatting, so please take a look at WP:LAYOUT.--ukexpat (talk) 14:10, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Protest Internet censorship in India

The new IT Act law in India is worse than SOPA or PIPA. Tomorrow am MP will raise a motion to annul the law. Please protest Indian Internet Censorship the way you did with SOPA & PIPA by blacking out. We desperately need awareness in India and many people use Misplaced Pages. The law directly affects wikipedia. You will have to take down any material that is 'objectionable' to someone without any trial or opportunity to present your case.

http://www.legallyindia.com/Social-lawyers/mps-to-be-taught-draconian-it-act-rules-as-indianet-support-galvanises-for-annul-motion — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.199.35.238 (talk) 14:33, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

This isn't the right place to request this kind of help. You should bring your concerns to the WikiMedia Foundation (try here), Jimmy Wales (try here), and possibly at some of the analogous locations at Wikipedias in the Indian languages (such as http://hi.wikipedia.org). -Thibbs (talk) 14:41, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Deleted page on James Wing Woo

I have just discovered that my martial arts teacher, James Wing Woo, had a page but that it has been deleted. If possible, I would like to see that page and also to find out any specific reasons as to why it was deleted. He is a highly respected gung-fu master and has had parts in 15 Hollywood films, including "Marathon Man," which was Laurence Olivier's last film and also starred Dustin Hoffman. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.84.131.113 (talk) 18:27, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/James_Wing_Woo. Ruslik_Zero 18:30, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

You could ask one of these Category:Misplaced Pages administrators who will provide copies of deleted articles to put it in your user space, create an account, provide the citations, notabilty seems okay to me, then move it to main space and see if it stands up?--Canoe1967 (talk) 18:49, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

List of online translators

This page doesn't exist yet. I was trying to translate a some Russian text and discovered there are a few out there now. One even translates from four different websites for comaparison side by side. Some sites have articles here and some don't. I am wondering if it should be a list only for now with wikilinks and urls, an article, and possibly a category for those that have pages already. I am not sure how to create a category.--Canoe1967 (talk) 18:35, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Creating a category is quite simple. Basically you add a page to the new category and then save. When you see the redlinked category you edit it to provide a brief definition and you add it to other categories. The process is laid out in depth here. -Thibbs (talk) 18:47, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. "...add the new category to an appropriate parent category." Does anyone have any ideas which parent categorie(s) would suit best?--Canoe1967 (talk) 18:57, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

I'd go with Category:Technology in society and Category:Online services to start with. There may be several other categories that would be appropriate as well. -Thibbs (talk) 19:09, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

We already have Comparison of machine translation applications. The Platform column says Web application for many of them. I don't think there should be a separate list for online translators. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:09, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Good catch. There also seems to already by a Category:Translation software. -Thibbs (talk) 19:12, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks x 2. Should I blank the category I just created, and just add those not in the comparison tables as external links at the bottom? Or a section 'web translators not in tables yet' type thing?--Canoe1967 (talk) 19:35, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

I added a speedy delete tag to the category I created and links on existing comparison page--Canoe1967 (talk) 21:33, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Head Restraints

I would like to correct the informaion on the Hutchens Device page and also make a new page for the Hutchens Hybrid and the R3 head restraints. What do I do to correct the information on the Hutchens page and on the current HANS page, since it has issues with words like mandated HANS, which is simply not true. A head restraint spec. is mandated that the HANS device is certified to, like other devices. Tashline99 (talk) 18:55, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

At the top of nearly every page on Misplaced Pages you will see a row of tabs at the top of the article. Just above the article name (in bold at the upper left) you see "Article" and "Talk", and then far to the right (just left of the "Search" bar, you'll see "Read", "Edit", and "View history". If you click the "Edit" tab then you should be able to see the raw Wikicode which is mostly the text that makes up the article. Altering this text and then clicking save at the bottom (below the text field) will allow you to make permanent the alteration you have made. It is considered good practice to leave an edit summary for articles (by filling in the field just above the "Save page" button), and remember that sources for the material you add are often essential as well. -Thibbs (talk) 19:04, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

I am missing Twinkle

When I pull up a page, Twinkle options are not there. Neither is Wikilove for that matter. Is this something involving temporary maintenance and are others experiencing it? Does anyone know why it might not work? I generally edit using Google Chrome but am on Firefox right now; however, I have not had this issue with Firefox in the past. I also checked and I do have javascript enabled. Ryan Vesey Review me! 18:55, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Apparently this is being discussed on Misplaced Pages talk:Twinkle. Ryan Vesey Review me! 18:57, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Something certainly just happened because my diff viewing is rendered quite differently. -Thibbs (talk) 18:58, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Mine too, I heard mention of a new media-wiki software being rolled out. Ryan Vesey Review me! 19:01, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

what has happened to restore to previous version?

up until yesterday i could look at a revisoin then restore toa previous version but i cant now it seems there achange to the wikipedia code as the eidt usmmary is different--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 19:07, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes, this just kicked into effect 15 minutes ago. It apparently is having an effect on Twinkle usage so you may want to look in at the discussion unfolding there (see the above comment). -Thibbs (talk) 19:10, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

(ec) I still see the "undo" link in the page history. Are you asking about something else? RudolfRed (talk) 19:11, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

creating a list of large jewelry chain stores by country

Hi:

I found a list of reatailers by country which is very helpfull to anyone looking to find retailers in any country around the world. I tried to find a list like that for large jewelry retailers and couldn't. I would like to start a list like that by supplying the information on the United State large retail chains which I am very familiar with and have sources to support, and I want other people in other countries to add to that list their large jewelry retailers. How do I do that?

Thanks Eadini (talk) 19:42, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

I made a sandbox page for you to start the list with. User:Eadini/List of jewelry stores by country. It may stand up to wikipedia scrutiny once it has a few more entries.--Canoe1967 (talk) 20:21, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Note Category:Jewellers by nationality. A list should usually provide additional information over a category. See Misplaced Pages:Categories, lists, and navigation templates#Advantages of a list and Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style/Lists. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:32, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Category:Jewellery retailers seems to be stores, I think Category:Jewellers by nationality is persons.--Canoe1967 (talk) 23:14, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

publishing a page

Hi, Please may I know how long it takes for a new page to be published?

thank you Star writer (talk) 20:23, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

An article is published as soon as it is created in the mainspace. Many users decide to create a page in their user space by creating an article like User:Ryan Vesey/Xerotine siccative (an example of one I'm working on) and moving it to the mainspace when they are done with it. In that case, you could say it is published as soon as it is moved. Is there a specific article you are talking about? You haven't made any other edits from this account. Could you have created an article through articles for creation as an IP? Ryan Vesey Review me! 20:37, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

It can be published immediately (within a second of clicking Save page) or it can be submitted for review. The review time varies. If you want to make a new article then I suggest you use Misplaced Pages:Article wizard. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:36, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Revert single-instance of image use?

There is/was an image used for an artist, this was a B&W lithograph. The image has been replaced by a colorized and "enhanced" version ("Quality-Update" in file history) which is currently used numerous places on WP. The "Quality-Update" has now replaced the original version used on the artist's page, and no longer represents a "faithful photographic reproduction of an original two-dimensional work of art". Although tempted to challenge on that basis, I would be satisfied if the original pre-colorized version only be restored for use on the artist's page.
Artist: Willy_Stöwer
Original image: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/6/6e/20111008172228!St%C3%B6wer_Titanic.jpg
Image used: http://en.wikipedia.org/File:St%C3%B6wer_Titanic.jpg
~Eric F 184.76.225.106 (talk) 21:00, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

I'd like it if the original black-and-white version was restored everywhere. "Quality-Update", really? Colorized = Fail. —{|Retro00064|☎talk|✍contribs|} 22:30, 23 April 2012 (UTC).

I agree, the original black and white version should be used, it existed as such for several years. The colour version should have been uploaded under a different name, if at all. But still, a semblance of consensus should be achieved before doing so. Яehevkor ✉ 22:41, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

I agree. Adding false colour to the image in the Titanic article was a poor idea (and did men really wear purple trousers in 1912?). But adding false colour to a good copy of an artist's work is a really appalling idea. I would restore the original image if I knew the proper way to go about it. Maproom (talk) 22:54, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Ditto -- but I'd thought it would be non-controversial to just use the original version for the page of the original artist. (I've started discussions on other related talk pages). ~E 184.76.225.106 (talk) 23:03, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

I reverted to the original b/w. I agree a good colour one can be uploaded as a new file.--Canoe1967 (talk) 23:22, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

How to update images?

There used to be a button you could click on an image page where you could upload a new version. Anyway, the fair use image representing the cover of a book needs to get updated with that for the current edition, and I could just upload a new one and request delete of the old, but I am just wondering if there is a way to simply update the image like you used to be able to do. -J JMesserly (talk) 21:09, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

There should still be a link saying "Upload a new version of this file" for images hosted at Misplaced Pages such as fair use images. Which file is it? If it's hosted at Wikimedia Commons then you must go there to get the link. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:26, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

I must be blind. The link was there- just in a different place. Sorry to trouble you. J JMesserly (talk) 22:00, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

You have to do it from the commons image page, just below the image file history thumbs. The link to the commons page is below the main image.--Canoe1967 (talk) 00:06, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Gmail

Please help. I am very frustrated. I've been able to get into my gmail — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.87.118.62 (talk) 21:30, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

I am afraid we can't help with that. Below the page where it says "Sign in" there is a link labeled "Can't access your account?". Perhaps that is of some help? Anyway, in case of probelms with your gmail account, you would need to contact Google, as this is the help desk for the English version of Misplaced Pages. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 05:30, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

gmail

Please help out of gmail. I i cannot get into– itt---- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.87.118.62 (talk) 21:37, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6.9 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Misplaced Pages, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Misplaced Pages itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 21:57, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

This page is only for questions about how to use or edit Misplaced Pages. Thanks! Monterey Bay (talk) 22:08, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Viewer Ship Tool?

Is there a viewer ship tool (or something close to it) that I can see how many views a article receives each day?--Dom497 (talk) 21:49, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes, click on the "history" tab at the top of the page, then click "Page View Statistics".--Wehwalt (talk) 21:51, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!!!--Dom497 (talk) 21:53, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Asshole Misplaced Pages editor changes Carnivore entry I made

Q: I have proof that a new program that has enhanced (not superseded carnivore like everyone believes) called Predator has been initiated by our Government. Some Nazi editor decided that my contribution is not verifiable. Well, it's tough to put this information out there and quote someone who has close ties to the program without raising every eyebrow which I'm sure the govt is curious how a civilian has any detail of the program.

If you look at this editor, he thinks he is god... written all over him.... what to do? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.94.64.113 (talk) 22:39, 23 April 2012 (UTC)‎

First, stop making Personal Attacks. Second, read up on Verifiability. While it would be great if we could take peoples words when they say their contributions are truthful, many people add information that is not true. As a result, when there is a controversy, we require that information come from Reliable Sources. If you can find reliable sources for your claims, then they can be on Misplaced Pages, otherwise the editor was right to remove them. If you do have reliable sources for the information, see Referencing for Beginners for some tips on how to reference the sources. Monty₈₄₅ 22:43, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

also, when you write "our Government", it helps if you say what country you are in. Maproom (talk) 10:21, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

See Carnivore (software) — the IP added substantial amounts of information about an allegedly secret program, and the only source statement given was "Confirmation of the secret program has been revealed by credible sources." This indeed is not adequate for verification purposes. Nyttend (talk) 12:15, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

My login has been compromised

Hello:

My login no longer works and although I have requested an email password reset several times, it has never gotten to me. I believe the email address on the account has been changed.

I have a history back to 2005 with the Kazari login. I would like to keep it. I do not want to create a new login if at all possible.

I am prepared to prove who I am but I am uncertain who to do this with or how. (As per "If your account is compromised, it may be permanently blocked unless you can prove you are its rightful owner.)

Please help me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.255.42.11 (talk) 22:47, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

See a very informative discussion on another editor with the same issue at Misplaced Pages:Bureaucrats'_noticeboard/Archive_23#Recovering_former_account.3F. Per that discussion, you would need a WP:Sysadmin (the people who run the servers, as opposed to on wiki admins) intervention to force reset a password. You could, if you can satisfy the required users of your identity, get the old account renamed so that you could edit under the name again, but the contribution history of the new account would be separate. That request would be made at WP:BN Monty₈₄₅ 23:10, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Making political propaganda

"In early 2012, the "Friends of Syria" initiative was established, which resulted in multi-national conference in Tunisia, in order to find a solution to the Syrian crisis. Successive meeting was held in Turkey during April."

I quote the article "Syrian Uprising (2011-present)"

It is located under the "Peace proposals".

Given that the countries that had the meeting. Urges the opposition to not even talk to Assad regime. And had to smuggle in weapons and its intelligence services is in the country of Syria. And out of the meeting came the news to them armed opposition groups would have more weapons. Is it hardly "Peace proposals" Rather, the opposite Inciting violence. My suggestion The article should be changed. A separate section should be dedicated to "friends of syria" countries. There also is written, what they do. And what they said publicly. Which countries these are. And perhaps what some of them more prominent countries known representatives said. As the American Hillary Clinton. To cite just one example. That there are no dialogue before Assad resigned she says.... For this page should be factual? Make it so— Preceding unsigned comment added by Reinhart567 (talk • contribs) 23:55, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

You don't make it clear what your dispute may be, regarding Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines. Please take this up in the first instance on the talkpage of the article in question. Tonywalton  00:18, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes, this seems to be a WP:Content dispute accidentally brought to the wrong forum. There is already a Friends of Syria Group article with a talk page where it should be discussed. Jim.henderson (talk) 00:39, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

April 24

About hotel Prag Continental which is in guwahati ,Assam,India.

hi! <<apparent advertising removed>>
GOD Bless,Devilata Basumatary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.198.70.30 (talk) 08:32, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Do you have a question about using or editing Misplaced Pages? Your post here seemed to be an advert, and Misplaced Pages does not allow advertising. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:35, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Date format error didn't show up for 2½ years

In this edit, September 2009, I accidentally added a malformed {{dts}} template, which caused it to have one of those big red display warnings (my coding made the template think something happened on the 9th day of the 16th month of the year and the 9th day of the 20th month of the year), but I just now noticed and fixed the template. Can you imagine why this error didn't put the article into a parser error category, comparable to what I get if I remove the {{reflist}} from a page with references? Nyttend (talk) 12:13, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

The missing reflist error is generated by Cite software extension. It uses MediaWiki interface pages to call the errors. We have modified those interface pages to add categories and links to help pages. {{dts}} uses the #time parser function and no one has updated the interface pages to add an error category. Have to figure out the interface for this. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  13:42, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Found it at MediaWiki:Pfunc time error, also two other error messages. Let me look at this a bit, as we might want to extend this to other parser errors. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  13:52, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Article versions comparison gone bad ??

The "new" design for article version comparison makes it way harder to see what has really changed. How does one get the old style back? Electron9 (talk) 14:07, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

In "My preferences", "Gadgets", you have the option of ticking off the old colour scheme for difs. --Saddhiyama (talk) 14:09, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion about this at Misplaced Pages:Village pump (technical)#New "diff" view is horrible and illegible. --Saddhiyama (talk) 14:11, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Found an now removed answer: NOTE: There is now an "old style diffs" gadget: Go to My preferences > Gadgets > Appearance > (X)Display diffs with the old yellow/green colors and design. (from Misplaced Pages:Village pump (technical)) Electron9 (talk) 19:15, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Tom Vanden Brook#Misplaced Pages entry

Tom Vanden Brook#Misplaced Pages entry says:

"According to USA Today, a new user to Misplaced Pages created a page on Vanden Brook on February 8, 2012. The entry alleged that Vanden Brook "'gained worldwide notoriety' for his 'misreporting' of the 2006 Sago Mine disaster in West Virginia." Misplaced Pages editors removed the page and banned the user."

This log entry indicates that the deletion occurred on the same day.

Question one: Would it by WP:OR to change the above to "Misplaced Pages editors removed the page on the same day and banned the user"? If the suggested change is allowed, do I just cite the log entry?

Question two: Assuming that the above is allowable, could I instead write "Misplaced Pages editors removed the page within X minutes and banned the user"? If so, what do I cite to establish the number of minutes? --Guy Macon (talk) 15:04, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

It was done within less than two hours; but that information is accessible only to admins. The editor was indefinitely blocked (not "banned") because the username was that of a business (Atlantic Press) rather than for the creation of attack pages. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:16, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

I am a little confused. The wording does seem awkward to me, but do you wish to change the wording of a quote from USA Today?--Canoe1967 (talk) 17:52, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

entries on wikipedia

How can I place my company and work profile on wikipedia for purpose o research — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frangipani & Dolphin (talk • contribs) 15:42, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Read the policy on notability and conflict of interest. After you understand those, and still feel you can create an article on your company, then WP:YFA will tell you how to create the article. RudolfRed (talk) 15:55, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Watchlist changes

I've long been entirely happy with the blue triangle that used to appear on my watchlist to the left of articles/talk pages when an article/talk page had had more than one edit on a particular day. I could click it to show which edits had been made by which users and I could hover the cursor over any of the edits to see what had been altered. Yesterday, the blue triangle disappeared and instead there are brackets saying "(n changes|hist)". Now, hovering the cursor over the changes frequently produces either nothing or "diff truncated". Clicking anything takes me out of my watchlist - OK, I can check changes, but, for a couple of months or more, the watchlist has taken around two minutes to reload, which is a pain. Previously, I could open another iteration of Misplaced Pages and deal with changes while leaving my watchlist intact and easy to use without disturbing it. Why has the blue triangle disappeared? (And why is my watchlist slow to load? It's had c3,000 items on it for a year or so and was just fine for several years.) --GuillaumeTell 16:09, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

This might be due to the new version that was recently rolled out. Try raising your issue at the Village Pump, where the other issues are also being discussed. WP:VPT RudolfRed (talk) 17:10, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

I feel like I'm outnumbered by ignorant people on an article. What should my next move be?

African American

I made a recent addition clarifying that the term "African American" does not refer to a race, it merely refers to a person being at least partially descended from native sub-Saharan Africans. I included some true, verifiable statistics regarding the genetic makeup of African Americans (evidence shows that, for example, they are on average 5% Native American, 18% White European, and I would imagine highly mixed with East Asian also).

However, I was constantly reverted. The reasons given were ridiculous - WP:RS, even though the sources obviously met the criteria of the article. I feel like it's a case of the truth being crammed out. I feel like such an addition is highly important to clarify in the African-American article, and it is highly frustrating to me that such a fundamental and important point to make about African-Americans is missing from the article entirely.

Thoughts? Leaf Green Warrior (talk) 20:26, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

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