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:: Misplaced Pages dispute resolution methodology: TLDR any complaints, but if I happen to come across something that looks like a personal attack from the person being reverted by a disruptive editor they get blocked? Okay. Well I do not know what to say to that. Right now I am questioning what happens next after the 3 day protection. Isn't it better just to get rid of this claim and start afresh? I can make it concise if that is what everyone is after. Oh and elduderino, I did not start this cycle of abuse of the claim page, Ring-Cinema began commenting first and it warranted a reply. Other wise, which is what he wanted, adminstrators (who cannot read the whole claim TLDR) would have just picked up the manipulations he wrote as a justification for his actions and rendered it stale as happened to you. ] (]) 20:42, 25 April 2012 (UTC) | :: Misplaced Pages dispute resolution methodology: TLDR any complaints, but if I happen to come across something that looks like a personal attack from the person being reverted by a disruptive editor they get blocked? Okay. Well I do not know what to say to that. Right now I am questioning what happens next after the 3 day protection. Isn't it better just to get rid of this claim and start afresh? I can make it concise if that is what everyone is after. Oh and elduderino, I did not start this cycle of abuse of the claim page, Ring-Cinema began commenting first and it warranted a reply. Other wise, which is what he wanted, adminstrators (who cannot read the whole claim TLDR) would have just picked up the manipulations he wrote as a justification for his actions and rendered it stale as happened to you. ] (]) 20:42, 25 April 2012 (UTC) | ||
:::EdJohnston advised both me and JTBX to "ask the opinion of ] on any further changes they want to make" (see previous paragraph). Since that time, JTBX has made at least two edits on the page in question without consulting Gareth. I suggested that the three of us proceed on the basis of unanimity for the time being and there was no objection to that proposal. However, and , JTBX has made changes to the article without consulting and without consensus. --] (]) 23:18, 29 April 2012 (UTC) | |||
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User:El duderino reported by User:Kelly (Result: No action)
Page: Seamus (dog) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: El duderino (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Time reported: 03:40, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
Diffs are listed from oldest to newest, dates are in UTC
- 16:52, 22 April 2012 (edit summary: "Undid revision 488667342 by Kelly (talk) no way, this has nothing to do with Seamus")
- 19:08, 23 April 2012 (edit summary: "/* External links */ Undid 2 revisions by User:Arzel -- restoring 2 ext. links removed (again) without consensus")
- 21:15, 23 April 2012 (edit summary: "Undid revision 488867868 by Kelly (talk) again, no consensus for this removal")
- 03:21, 24 April 2012 (edit summary: "Undid revision 488888304 by Arzel (talk) it's not a violation. need consensus for your interpretation")
- Diff of warning: here
—Kelly 03:40, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
- Please note that User:Kelly did not notify me that she filed this report. Also, she and User:Arzel are removing content against consensus. But most importantly, there is no 3RR violation. This frivolous report is an obvious attempt to weaken someone whom she considers an ideological opponent at the article. El duderino 04:22, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
- I have asked User:El duderino to agree to wait for consensus before adding his link again. EdJohnston (talk) 20:32, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks. Yes I will stop trying to add it in the current context (Wp:EL). For the record though I think there are more editors supporting it's inclusion, judging from edit history and talkpage discussion. It's clear that Kelly and Arzel are there to slowly break down the article -- see two related ANI threads for more info. For example, I offered a compromise of working it into the article text, as it is at the Romney 2012 campaign, but neither of them chose to even discuss that option. El duderino 21:42, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
- I have asked User:El duderino to agree to wait for consensus before adding his link again. EdJohnston (talk) 20:32, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
- Result: Closed with no action, keeping in mind El duderino's agreement to wait for consensus regarding the link. The editors can always open an WP:RFC to get more opinions on the value of the link. EdJohnston (talk) 22:43, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
User:Stoopsklan reported by User:SudoGhost (Result: Protected)
Page: Christopher Walken (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: Stoopsklan (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning:
Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page: Talk:Christopher Walken#Natalie Wood
Comments:
Continued edit warring despite requests to discuss the material being inserted. - SudoGhost 23:38, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
I did head warning and was clearly not edit warring. As you can see in said article it's been appropriately resolved. I do apologize to SudoGhost for the inconvenience and assure you it will never happen again! Stoopsklan (talk) 00:45, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
- It hasn't been resolved in any way, you inserted the same material with the same undue reference multiple times, without any discussion. This is the very definition of edit warring. - SudoGhost 00:58, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
- Comment - The page has been protected, and there is a discussion at the article's talk page, so I don't think anything is required here, but instead of removing the report outright I'll leave that to the judgement of an administrator. - SudoGhost 04:06, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
- Page protected - For three days, by another admin. Use this time to try to reach consensus on the talk page. EdJohnston (talk) 04:19, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
User:Ring Cinema reported by User:JTBX (Result: Protected)
Page: The Godfather (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: Ring Cinema (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
This is way too long for anormal complaint, so let me know if there is anywhere relevant I should go to post, or if you prefer as you are busy to let people like this get away freely.
Collapsed for brevity EdJohnston (talk) 18:36, 25 April 2012 (UTC) |
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The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it. |
I have now edited my complaint to a short version, I have added an addendum of a longer version if you are interested in the details: I realised The Godfather needed to be improved for details and chronological flow was missing. Ring-Cinema had also been editing it for some time. My plot draft included more words, but even though later I trimmed plot to 700 to better reflect WP:PLOT, changes were reverted with absolutely no good reason.
none of these are improvements. After confronting him on the talk page, the fact that the plot was more improved, concise yet included all details with flow, I added it again in the article this time, using this description for my edit, as the plot and edit actually conformed to this description Well well well: It appears he is violating WP:OWN, WP:EW, WP:DE and TE, possibly WP:SPA (his name). If that does not seal the deal, notice how I have not placed a warning on his page. Because he has already received not only warnings, but a one week block for the same activity some time ago. Carefully read through his talk and archives here and here as well as his block log. Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page: Links provided above and below. Detailed version (Read if extra details necessary)Initially I began editing the article plot for brevity, but after watching the film recently a week ago, I realised it needed to be improved for details and chronological flow was missing. Ring-Cinema had also been editing it for some time. I would advise to open links one at a time to avoid confusion. My plot draft included more words, but as you will see later, even though I trimmed plot to 700 to better reflect WP:PLOT, changes were reverted with absolutely no good reason.
At this time User:Gareth Griffith-Jones, another established editor of this article, joins and help me edit the draft, as well accepting the task I have placed forth. Him and I edit together, but see this Ring replaces mine and Gareth's plot on the talk page with the exact copy of the article plot. Calling it "the best current draft". I confront him over this as you can see on the talk page several times . To avoid conflict, I placed two drafts on the page, mine and Gareth’s collaboration, and the version he wishes. . However, I later merged them incorporating the changes he wanted, and miraculously, making it 700 words rather than 750ish which it was. The plot now has the correct year (1945) when the story begins, and all characters etc. . I and Gareth discuss repeatedly on our talk pages, which you can see. User talk:Gareth Griffith-Jones User talk:JTBX Now look at this ridiculous nonsense. He states "other editors" but which, the only editors editing the plot are me Gareth and him, and if taken into account how regularly then only me and Gareth. If a consensus means anything on Misplaced Pages, 2 vs 1 pretty much seals it, plus the fact I incorporated his changes. When the plot was above 750 words, he had at least one leg to stand on, but now he has no reason at all and this reply was unwarranted. , I had not only incorporated improvements, but made the plot 700 words. , check it out, even though he originally wanted "brevity" he accuses me of leaving out information (specifically that Vito wanted better of Michael rather than join the Mafia) I deem superficial, even though (here's the kicker), that information was already in my plot, but better placed on a later paragraph, when it happens in the film. He obviously has not been reading my plot all this time, and has been caught with his pants down playing his usual semantics game. Either that or (jokes) English isn't his first language. And the fact that he kept the article stating the plot begins in 1946, when it is an obvious fact the plot of Godfather begins in 1945 and Gareth backed me up on this . Seeing a practical go ahead from Gareth, who stated that he agreed and liked our version better (again read all of this), I added it to the article. But of course: none of these are improvements. After confronting him on the talk page, the fact that the plot was more improved, concise yet included all details with flow, I added it again in the article this time as a test to see if he would revert it again, using this description for my edit, as the plot and edit actually conformed to that description Well well well: Gareth does not want to have a conflict and has edited the article going along with Ring since, but I have abstained until this is finalised. I wish for a temporary block because I simply cannot edit the plot without him reverting it. Comments:
Just look at what he wrote above, here's the quote : "For example, he thought that the city of New York should be mentioned in the plot summary; I agreed and found a very smart place to include it." So I have to ask permission from him? He owns the article, my improvement must be reverted wholesale and put back in later by him? "He thought last week that we should include information about the years of the action of the film but there was information from Gareth that JTBX's information was inaccurate; only today we have cleared that up." Correction, it took over two days to "clear up", it was hardly a clear up because as you are too scared to mention, I was right the first time and Gareth backed me up, when Gareth it states in the novel the year is 1945, you tried to weasel your way out of it (read Godfather talk page). Two editors (me and Gareth) with correct information shouldn't have to wait two days for you to "approve", but then of course, to revert once we add it. You do not leave messages on the talk page regarding your edits, once we edit, you should coem to the talk page and discuss it, but the fact is me and Gareth agreed to that plot and added it, you don't but you simply revert. "There are many details but I won't waste time with that tedium. " Exactly. You are the only editor I have come across, and many others I presume have come across looking at your behaviour for over 3 years, to be this adamant and to flagrantly violate all the relevant policies. Again, you are warring and your reverts are not justified. You do this on purpose to annoy people for no reason. No reason. End of story. Block. JTBX (talk) 22:56, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
"I should mention that your recounting of the 1945/46 dispute is inaccurate. I don't know why you deny it, but it was unclear which date was correct until today. Yes, you said 45, I pointed out to you that Gareth said 46 and today Gareth confirmed that you were right. So what is your problem there?" It was clear the date was 1945 from the beginning, from factual internet searches, the novel plot and the introduction to the article itself (impossible to ignore unless you are a troll such as yourself). Gareth watched the VHS he has and proved me correct then days later backed it up with the novel. But you still didnt accept (see talk page) until now. Through persistence. Nice try but if anyone is reading this with open eyes they can see through your falsifications. Again I do not have time to waste with this clear troll who has been pushed into a corner with two templates here calling for his block. End his ridiculous charade so that real editors can get to work instead of wasting our precious time. JTBX (talk) 23:59, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
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- Comment: Please see WP:TL;DR "distill your thoughts into bite size pieces." And anyway I'm not sure this is the right venue, as EdJ said elsewhere. Full disclosure: I've had similar argument with User:Ring Cinema at another film article (No Country for Old Men) and I reported him to 3RRNB above (he clearly violated 3RR but it was deemed "Stale"), so I generally agree with JBTX -- but J, I think you're spinning your wheels here trying to reason with him, and possibly hurting your case. If you want others to weigh in, don't continue the dispute here. If his current reverting is actionable, someone will step in. If not, other WP:DR steps are still open as I suggested on my talkpage. El duderino 04:16, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
Page protected - Three days. I have resisted the temptation to block JTBX for personal attacks at this noticeboard. Both parties are well advised to ask the opinion of User:Gareth Griffith-Jones on any further changes they want to make, since he seems neutral and is willing to help. EdJohnston (talk) 04:38, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks, Ed. On balance, it's a fair decision. Thanks for your time. --Ring Cinema (talk) 08:50, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
- Misplaced Pages dispute resolution methodology: TLDR any complaints, but if I happen to come across something that looks like a personal attack from the person being reverted by a disruptive editor they get blocked? Okay. Well I do not know what to say to that. Right now I am questioning what happens next after the 3 day protection. Isn't it better just to get rid of this claim and start afresh? I can make it concise if that is what everyone is after. Oh and elduderino, I did not start this cycle of abuse of the claim page, Ring-Cinema began commenting first and it warranted a reply. Other wise, which is what he wanted, adminstrators (who cannot read the whole claim TLDR) would have just picked up the manipulations he wrote as a justification for his actions and rendered it stale as happened to you. JTBX (talk) 20:42, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
- EdJohnston advised both me and JTBX to "ask the opinion of User:Gareth Griffith-Jones on any further changes they want to make" (see previous paragraph). Since that time, JTBX has made at least two edits on the page in question without consulting Gareth. I suggested that the three of us proceed on the basis of unanimity for the time being and there was no objection to that proposal. However, Here and here, JTBX has made changes to the article without consulting and without consensus. --Ring Cinema (talk) 23:18, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
User:Aworopaypbs reported by User:MarkBurberry32 (Result: No action)
Page: Phillips Brooks School (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: Aworopaypbs (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning:
Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:
Comments:
This isn't actually 3RR, it's an edit war, we're removing copyvio from the article concerned, this user is intent on putting it back.
MarkBurberry32|talk 23:01, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
- Let's wait and see if the warnings had an effect. EdJohnston (talk) 00:20, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
Result: No action. The editor ceased adding the copyvios within a few minutes of getting his first warning. If he comes back and continues an immediate block is appropriate. Let me know on my talk page or report it at WP:AIV. EdJohnston (talk) 18:32, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
User:Somedifferentstuff reported by User:ProfJustice (Result: STALE)
Page: Shooting of Trayvon Martin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: Somedifferentstuff (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
°Remember, you need only *2* reverts to violate WP:1RR, although edit warring has no such strict rule.°
Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning:
Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:
Comments:
This article has a 1RR warning with no time expiration. I gave the user a warning on his talk page to self revert. He didn't heed the warning which can be seen here .
!This user had previous issues with the revert rules as seen, this year alone, here and here and here and here and here and here and here , etc...
Comments:
This user is upset because he was recently blocked as can be seen above (the case regarding him is currently 3rd from the top) and then had 2 unblock requests denied as can be seen here . Regarding the material referenced, I initiated a discussion on the talk page on April 23 which can be seen here .
- Nothing to be upset about. If the previous block re: the 1 RR is based on the proper application of that rule as you outlined in your complaint above, I accept that. There have to be some reasonable rules that we should all go by to keep the articles stable and make things fair for all editors.
On April 24, user:Isaidnoway, who was involved on the talk page, rewrote the sentence which can be seen in the article's history here . As of this posting, her version is the version currently contained in the article. Somedifferentstuff (talk) 09:22, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
- This issue is whether or not you violated the 1 RR, not what the current version of the article is at any given time. I'd suggest this noticeboard may not even be the correct forum for this discussion (I don't know that, however). Wouldn't your user talk page be a better place for this sort of quid pro quo?
- I just noticed something that I'd like an admin to take a look at. If you look at this diff from this noticeboard, user:ProfJustice replaced my signature with his and removed the administrator's comment stating that he was blocked. Somedifferentstuff (talk) 10:09, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
- All this is irrelevant. The last statement, obviously that was an accident. I'm new to this process and was trying to get the formatting correct. Why would I replace that sig anyway? The block was already expired. I didn't mean to save that, sorry. If someone would be so kind as to correct it, I'd appreciate it. Unlike some editors who have chronic problems with revert wars, that was my first block and I'm sorry, but I'm not familiar with this noticeboard or this process. If I had been, I would have seen the original complaint here and would not have submitted an unblock request. The reverts were more clearly posted here, than explained in the block on my user talk page.
- Nevertheless, none of this has anything to do with somedifferentstuff's violation of the 1 RR. There is nothing wrong with me requesting a block for exactly the same violation I was just blocked for, is there?
- I have nothing personal against you some, I simply checked the article's history because I think it is fair for the policy to applied consistently to all editors, that's all. If any of the other editors were violating it instead of you, I would have requested the same. I hope you understand that. Kind Regards, ProfJustice (talk) 14:07, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
- Stale. We don't typically go back in time - both of those are from April 23 - today is the 25th (at least where I am). Also, ProfJustice, please do not reply paragraph-by-paragraph by inserting your comments in the middle of theirs - always post below so as to keep signatures intact, so we can see who made the entire comment (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 14:40, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
- I see. Obviously I couldn't post this earlier since got a 24 hour ban for the same behavior I reported here. Well, I guess that's justice - Wikistyle. ProfJustice (talk) 18:18, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
- Sarcasm never helps (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 21:01, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
- I see. Obviously I couldn't post this earlier since got a 24 hour ban for the same behavior I reported here. Well, I guess that's justice - Wikistyle. ProfJustice (talk) 18:18, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
User:Factsonly94 reported by Nomoskedasticity (talk) (Result: pprot )
Page: Dartmouth College (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: Factsonly94 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Time reported: 21:26, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
Diffs are listed from oldest to newest, dates are in UTC
- 20:32, 25 April 2012 (edit summary: "Undid revision 489104850 by ElKevbo (talk)")
- 21:10, 25 April 2012 (edit summary: "/* Student groups */ See discussion page for explanation")
- 21:15, 25 April 2012 (edit summary: "Undid revision 489217418 by Nomoskedasticity (talk) There should be... look at the post I just added at the bottom of the talk page")
- 21:23, 25 April 2012 (edit summary: "/* Student groups */ The issue is with the phrasing. Such a biased reference goes against scholarship.")
- Diff of warning: here
- Talk page: -- please note that although this editor is now participating, he/she is also continuing to revert. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:33, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
—Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:26, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
- Page protected – there appears to be a content dispute on the page. Consider dispute resolution. Rjd0060 (talk) 00:48, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
User:Armbrust and User talk:78.147.184.47 reported by User:Ks0stm (Result: Both blocked)
Page: 2012 World Snooker Championship (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: Armbrust (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and 78.147.184.47 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Previous version reverted to: (I'm not sure if this is what it's asking for, but this is the change that initially started the edit war.)
Armbrust:
78.147.184.47:
Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning:
Comments: I fully protected the page but would like outside input on whether more action is warranted. Ks0stm 23:36, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
- The page that has been protected 2012 World Snooker Championship is an ongoing sporting event and needs to be edited. There are countless responsible editors who will contribute in the correct manner to this page. Why should we all be punished for the behaviour of two people? Spc 21 (talk) 23:48, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
- Both editors blocked Magog the Ogre (talk) 00:06, 26 April 2012 (UTC)