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A new barnstar

A new shiny barnstar you can use: give it to editors who have contributed to LGBT topics on Misplaced Pages.

—Tom Morris (talk) 15:11, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Looks fab! Bit big tho isn't it? (Not that i'm complaining) Jenova20 15:53, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Colours seem a bit uneven though, especially since there's hardly any red or purple, but loads of green, blue, orange and yellow. Jenova20 15:54, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

There is actually a very similar barnstar already:

		The LGBTQ Barnstar
		insert message here

which is produced by the code {{subst:The LGBT Barnstar|insert message here}}. - htonl (talk) 20:10, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

This looks fantastic! Thank you! --Varnent (talk) 23:19, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

I like the new one! It's great. Thanks! – Teammm 07:07, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Courage International listed as an LGBT-related organizaiton — inappropriate?

While browsing the list of LGBT-related organizations, I found an entry — which I believe to be inappropriate — for Courage International. This is a Roman Catholic Church–sanctioned apostolate that advocates chastity among gay people in accordance with church doctrine concerning homosexuality. They are a co-founder of Positive Alternatives to Homosexuality (PATH).

My guess is this list was intended for organizations that affirm, rather than try to "repair", LGBT people, and "LGBT-related" may be a misnomer. Although Courage International may be an LGBT-related organization in the technical sense (in the same way PATH and other ex-gay organizations are), I think including such organizations on this list is inappropriate. I believe the entry should be removed, which I will do soon, unless anyone has major objections or someone else beats me to the punch. I also believe the misleading title should be changed. — Athelwulf / 20:21, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

I guess it could be consider a LGBT-related organization if rabidly anti-gay organizations count as LGBT-related organizations. However, I doubt that was the intention of the editors who started the list, and it would be rather misleading to the uninformed reader. I agree that it should be removed from the list. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 20:29, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Agree with Dominus Vobisdu. One could list anti-LGBT organizations like Courage International among "LGBT-related organizations," but at the least they shouldn't be mixed in with the others. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 20:37, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Same-sex marriage in Brazil

A user and I are discussing if Brazil should be added to the list of countries where same-sex marriage is legal (or at least be mentioned in a note). I think other opinions would be great. You can see the discussion here. Thanks (: --DrkFrdric (talk) 20:44, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

No offense, but were you talking to yourself there? lol – Teammm 07:11, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Oh, nevermind, he replied to yours on your page haha :) – Teammm 07:13, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Want to add LGBT info to non-LGBT page

I am not highly involved in any one project on Misplaced Pages, but I do make edits to science based pages. I noticed the other day that the Chick-Fil-A Wiki page has a mention about anti-gay policies. I think that Dominoes Pizza should also have a section on this. My problem is that I don't know if it would be appropriate or not. Would someone like to add that in there if they think it's fitting? The wiki page on Tom Monaghan (who has a controlling share in Domino's) made me feel that it should be mentioned on the company page.

Also, should there be a Wiki page on companies with known anti-gay and pro-gay policies? Sdegan (talk) 22:50, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Go for it, be bold. If someone takes issue they can always remove it and discuss it on the talk page. Thanks Jenova20 09:14, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Coalition for Equal Marriage + Coalition for Marriage

Could do with some more eyes here to help update these. Anyone interested? Thanks Jenova20 09:14, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Assessment for corrective rape

I already requested an assessment under the tab for it on the project page, but I see that none of those pages have been assessed in a year. I would like corrective rape to be reassessed because it is no longer a stub and should be a higher class than that. Please let me know if you have any questions or feedback. Thank you! Rachelpop- (talk) 21:21, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Invitation for more eyes at Chad Griffin

I've been putting together an article on Chad Griffin, founder of AFER and who will be leading HRC beginning in June. Any comments/improvements/corrections/expansion welcome. --joe decker 23:20, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

New page regarding local LGBT legislative proposition

Would it be noteworthy/appropriate or not to add a page regarding LGBT legislation in a certain area? Anchorage, Alaska had a ballot initiative to include the LGBT population in their municipal anti-discrimination clause, however the measure failed 40% to 60%. I am sure people would like to read more about it, but there isn't a wiki page on it yet. Would that be noteworthy? Sean Egan (talk) 02:58, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Easily, it reached the worldwide media. You may be best placing it another article though. LGBT rights opposition for example? Thanks Jenova20 09:48, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

• You can also probably add it to the discrimination protection section of LGBT rights in Alaska – Teammm 09:56, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Great feedback guys. I'll start working on it this weekend! I've only made a hundred or so edits on Misplaced Pages so I thought I'd ask before I go creating pages Sean Egan (talk) 07:30, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Invitation for more eyes at Jeffrey Satinover

For a couple of months, I've been trying my best to edit the biographical article on Jeffrey Satinover, an academic with impressive credentials (MIT, Harvard, Yale) who is author of the anti-gay book "Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth." Satinover's book is a perennial favorite of anti-gay groups, who use it to argue that LGBT people are intrinsically inferior to heterosexuals, and therefore undeserving of equal rights. Satinover serves on the Scientific Advisory of the National Association for Research & Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH). Satinover has also testifed against LGBT rights in the Massachusetts (same-sex marriage) and Florida (in support of the now-defunct ban on LGBT adoption). Satinover's views are well outside the mainstream, a fact that I keep trying to ensure is included in the bio about him.

A handful of editors, including Bravejoints2, who appears to have personal ties to Satinover, keep deleting my edits in an effort to whitewash what Satinover has actually written and said. Recently, he deleted my reference to a book, "The Moral Minority: Identifying, Analyzing, and Exposing Homophobes," that critiques Satinover's anti-gay book, explaining the reasons for such deletion on the bio's TALK page. I find the reasons suspect. Most recently, this editor also said on the TALK page that he has, in an e-mail to Satinover, "alerted him to what was happening on Misplaced Pages." I encourage you to read the TALK section on Jeffrey Satinover for details. It would help to have some other editorial voices weigh in. --Branmuffin22 (talk) 15:38, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

I read the talk page. Some (very few) of his deletions make sense. I don't understand why he is deleting anything to begin with. I think that the page should have input from the both of you so that it satisfies NPOV, which if both of you contributed 50% would definitely be satisfied lol. Isn't there a way to start a dispute regarding this page? What could I do to help? Sean Egan (talk) 07:38, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Please see the new section I added to the end of the Jeffrey Satinover page. I hope you aren't offended by my comments, but they are honest and took time for me to put into words. Sean Egan (talk) 08:00, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Mormonism and violence

A recent malware attack caused me some concern from the article when checking references after a recent revert of a claim I thought was stitched together with primary sources. There is a discussion now ongoing and the Project LDS has also been notified.--Amadscientist (talk) 21:19, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

New color scheme & cats in map

There is a discussion at Template talk:World homosexuality laws map about a new map from Commons. The differences are:

1. A new color scheme, evidently addressing some concerns with color blindness
2. A distinction between in-all-but-name civil unions and civil unions with markedly inferior rights, as identified in a report from the ILGA.

Comments welcome. — kwami (talk) 20:22, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Cheers task force

I have created a task force proposal for Cheers. Come to Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Cheers for discussion. --George Ho (talk) 04:55, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Pages under construction

• Birmingham Gay Village  Doing...
• Homophobia in the media  Doing...
• Yumbo Centre  Doing...

If you have anything to contribute: images, wording, suggestions, no matter how insignificant then post it here, on those pages or just do it. Thanks kindly Jenova20 08:47, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Invitation for more eyes at Mormonism and violence

The article seems to be getting whittled down slowly by opponents believing it to be a coatrack article. I believe the talkpage comments also show a somewhat anti-gay tone, however I am not at all surprised just that they seem to lack any real policy or guideline to back themselves up. There is a section of great relevence to the LGBT community and to the project . Could we get some eyes on this to see how it can be improved, where it need trimming or expanding and help? Thanks!--Amadscientist (talk) 21:27, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Breanna Manning

Hi.

I've moved the article Bradley Manning to Breanna Manning due to major BLP concerns about how we identify Manning; from a reading of the sources in question, and of MOS:IDENTITY, I believe there are major BLP issues with how we refer to Manning as "he", despite sources also saying that her identity is female.

Please direct the discussion to the thread on BLP/N; this is a cross-posted notification. :) Sceptre 20:50, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

And please note that Manning has made no public statements whatsoever regarding this issue - the whole attempt to shove Manning into a stereotypical 'trans' category is based on nothing more than cherry-picking of sources by those who wish to impose arbitrary categories on others. Misplaced Pages is not a court of law, and we have no right whatsoever to assert 'gender identity' on the basis of a questionable interpretation of the private conversations of a clearly troubled individual. Human sexuality, and more general issues of identity, deserve better from us than such ridiculous 'tagging' for the purposes of pushing some agenda or another... AndyTheGrump (talk) 05:25, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Also, please note a discussion on the policy Village Pump, where some editors appear to be using Manning as a wedge issue to invalidate the gender identity of trans people. Sceptre 20:42, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

More bullshit. The only people 'using Manning' are the POV-pushers using his private conversations to impose an 'identity' on him that he has never laid claim to. That such a vulnerable individual should be treated with this sort of contempt on Misplaced Pages is a gross abuse. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:53, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

P.S. Article in the Washington Blade on the subject: "If these materials are to be believed, then it appears that Manning was questioning his gender identity. Manning’s lawyers have noted that he had sought counseling, but we don’t know if any final decision was ever made. We don’t know whether Manning wanted “Breanna” to be a primary identity, or if this was an alter ego that was never meant to be indicative of primary gender identification. We do know — from our own private conversations with friends and family members — that prior to his incarceration, Manning had not asked people to refer to him with a female pronoun". AndyTheGrump (talk) 10:25, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Giordano Bruno

A little research project for anyone who wants it:

I've just added a one-sentence subsection to the article on Giordano Bruno (as well as the LGBT project banner on the talk page), who was burned at the stake in Rome in 1600 for various offenses, including asserting that the earth moved around the sun, questioning the teachings of the Catholic Church, and some unspecified "immorality." The ex-monk, never-married Bruno was a buddy of some gay figures like Christopher Marlowe, and in the 19th century, gay critics Symonds and Pater were sure he was family, and they ought to know.

Trouble is, I've just spent 2 hours trying to find more scholarly sources adding to this opinion - I don't think there's any direct evidence to be had - and found very little on Google Books, or little that's easily summarized. The glbtq article I referenced in my addition says that Arcigay, the Italian gay-rights organization, regularly holds their rallies near his statue in the square where he was executed. Again, they ought to know, but I don't read Italian, so their website is no use to me.

Anyone with an interest in the man or the period, or who can read Italian, and wants to flesh out the subsection with more quotes and refs about Bruno's sexuality, please do so. I don't have time to dig further. Textorus (talk) 00:01, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Tom Gabel

A cissexual editor seems to be enforcing a strange and POV idea of how to present pronouns of Tom Gabel, a rock star who has very recently and publicly come out as trans . Just a heads up really, in case any other people concerned with this want to contribute to the discussion/help educate. -Kez (talk) 08:46, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Coupled with the stuff about Br(enna|adley) Manning two sections up, there really needs to be some sort of education to editors on how trans people should be referred to, drawing from the opinions of the medical/psych community instead of from the press. The past few days have been awful in this regard... Sceptre 22:58, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Sceptre you are a lying scumbag, and a disgrace to the LGBT community you claim to be a part of. Manning has made it quite clear that he doesn't wish to be identified as 'Breanna', or as female. Fuck off back under whichever rock you crawled out from under... AndyTheGrump (talk)

Uncited info in article that disagrees with other WP info.

In: http://en.wikipedia.org/Divorce_of_same-sex_couples , specifically in the 'Effects on Children' section, there exists uncited information that contradicts what I've read elsewhere on WP. 174.0.47.186 (talk) 22:46, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

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