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Marx was a philosopher, but he wrote in the tradition of holding philosophy and science to be one and the same. This is evident in his thesis on Democritean and Epicurean philosophy, his rejection of idealist philosophy, and naturalist and empericist bases for all of his concepts, especially that of Man. There is also an implicit naturalist moral theory throughout all his work, particularly in his earlier writings, which many conveniently pay less attention to. This is in stark contrast to the economic and sociological theories found in social science, which pride themselves as being free of morality and based upon statistics, mathematical calculations, and behavioural psychology. As such, he was not a sociologist or social scientist as people claim. He could instead be classified as a natural philosopher and empiricist in the tradition of Aristotle, rather than an idealist in the Platonic tradition (like the Hegelians and Kantians). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.72.44.213 (talk) 22:42, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
Well here in UK college level sociology you study Weber, Durkheim and Marx's views as the three main views, looking at each topic (crime, education, family etc) in context of those and other views, so yes Marx and the result of his influence is important to understanding sociology, the study of society. Now if you dont mind I want to go back to sitting on my ass all day.
Trivially, the introductory chapter of Capitalism and Modern Social Theory by Anthony Giddens (an established authority in sociology and the former head of the LSE) positions Marx (along with Durkheim and Weber) as one of the founders of the modern social sciences. This is also a basic tidbit you're likely to run into in any introductory theoretical text on anthropology, sociology, or social theory. If I can remember the actual context of where Marx was cited I'll quote Giddens, but maybe someone could help me out on where it should or shouldn't go. Kate (talk) 21:39, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
description of class struggle in lead
Some changes have been going on recently in regards to the description of class struggle in the lead.
The version as of yesterday read, "...class struggle: a conflict between an ownership class which controls production and a lower class which produces the labour for such goods."
User:JTBXchanged this to "... class struggle: an ownership class controls production and profits from the labour of a lower class which produces such goods."
This is, in my opinion, not the best wording, -- we no longer have the "between" which indicates a struggle, and "produces such goods" is rendered unintelligible and referentless with "the labour for" excised. I changed it to "... class struggle: in capitalism, this struggle is between the capitalist class, which owns the means of production, and the workers, who have only their labour power to sell." I feel that this is more precise, more clearly worded, and actually more in line with Marx's conception of class struggle.
Since the sentence is about class struggle in general ("all societies"), I feel it necessary to specify that the struggle between the owners of the means of production and (wage) laborers is the form this struggle takes under capitalism.
"Controls production" is too vague (controls what aspect of production?); I think we need to specify ownership of the means of production.
The point of the Marxist analysis of the lower class is that their only asset is their labor power. Many social analysis acknowledge a rift between powerful and powerless classes, but the point of Marxist analysis hinges on the distinction between those with and those without access to the means of production. I do think that my proposed version describes class struggle concisely and more or less precisely; if others disagree, I would still be in favor of the older version (No. 1 above), as it's clearer than the one that replaced it. Sindinero (talk) 13:57, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
As an afterthought and a point of etiquette, non-trivial changes to the wording in the lead should probably never be classified as minor edits... Sindinero (talk) 22:02, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
You misunderstood completely and carelessly. Read the lead sentence that you wrote, then read the sentence right after. Marx's analysis is describe by (generic) two classes one ownership, one labour based throughout history (feudalism and so on), then the next sentence it states "heavily critical of current form of society, capitalism," making it confusing to read as capitalism is introduced twice. Marx's analysis of dialetic is historical, all societies feudalism>capitalism etc progress through the class struggle, the next part is a definition after the semi-colon of class struggle generically. Then we have a sentence after describing Marx's capitalism specifically. The way you have written it introduced capitalism twice one sentence after the other. The version I put it to was used for a long time before you changed it and makes better sense. JTBX (talk) 16:34, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
I am very worried about the recent edits to the article (mainly by WellsSouth (talk·contribs)). A lot of unteferenced content has been added, looking just at the first half (up to and including The Panic of 1857: The First World-Wide Recession section), I count numerous sentences, and two entire unreferenced paras. I tagged them all, and I am deeply worried that the article is no longer GA due to insufficient referencing. On a side note, many new headings use improper capitalization (regular nouns and adjectives should not be capitalized). Lastly, a number of paragraphs added seem simply irrelevant. In the mentioned The Panic of 1857: The First World-Wide Recession two out of three paras simply deal with the recession, and do not mention Marx or his thought at all. This article is not a place to discuss world's history during Marx's lifetime. I am afraid that if this is not going to be fixed, we should revert the article to a previous version, before the swaths of unreferenced content were added (per WP:V). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me16:48, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
I last looked at this yesterday evening sometime, there was one edit that seemed unobjectionable. It seems to have exploded since then, and I can't really find sources for much of this information. I think it should go. Kate (talk) 19:05, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
I'm going to revert. I consider this edit to be fairly typical: it involves the citation of a primary source in a paragraph whose importance is not clear and which contains original research/analysis. Here is a typical example of a slightly different kind, which likewise seems to involve original research and extrapolation and the reference given is quite unclear; you'll find more of the same in the editor's other contributions. That referencing, by the way, is not up to par with GA standards. I've reverted to a version from mid-April, which is 30k lighter. Thank you all. Drmies (talk) 15:11, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
Good catch, I didn't notice that many of the refs added where to primary sources (so, OR). To prevent Wells good faithed work from being wasted, I'd suggest moving all of the content he added here, perhaps somebody could salvage some of it with better references? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me18:12, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
I know this is a very minor issue, but the often-cited claim that Marx married in the Pauluskirche is probably false, as that church underwent a major a renovation in 1843. Thus, nearby Wilhelmskirche is the most likely place of marriage. I'm referring here to a historiography published in 1951 (Geschichte der evangelischen Gemeinde Kreuznach) which has been cited by a local newspaper recently, so I'm going to look that up in the German National Library. Just to let you know, 'cause probably every source published in the last 50 years claims otherwise, and sooner or later someone will insist on their factual accuracy. --Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 18:47, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
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