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For real?

So you're gone in a huff? There isn't any justice to this place...all we can do is try our best to be reasonable with each other...that seems especially difficult considering many admins see just a username and not the editor behind that name...--MONGO 16:53, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm boycotting Misplaced Pages. I'll return when Tom's editing restriction is lifted or reduced. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 18:49, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

That won't be happening. The one admin resigned his tools and apparently retired...and unless Tom appeals directly to the arbcom enforcement board (which I know he won't do) he is topic banned de facto for life. You have to do what is best for you, but the pedia isn't benefitted by your departure.--MONGO 19:24, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

I am also sad to see this response. An indefinite ban is not the same thing as a permanent ban: it simply means the timescale is unspecified. It could be lifted in a week or in four months. Tom is a decent, well respected editor, but he crossed a line. He will return to 9/11 articles, as I hope you will, despite our disagreements. Geometry guy 01:04, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

No, he won't. The ban is essentially permanent because Tom isn't going to cause a debacle by appealing, which would have to be to the committee as a whole since the blocking admin resigned. Heck, he may have even left by the time it is considered. Because of a poor-intentioned block accompanied by the perfect storm of an admin resignation, Tom is not going to be back for a long, long time, which is a shame since he is one of the most productive and level-headed editors on that topic. Toa Nidhiki05 01:36, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

My reading of the threads is that Mkativerata's resignation was precipitated by a separate issue, and despite being challenged about his impartiality here, his decision has been upheld by other independent observers (and I concur with their decision). Lesser editors than Tom might create a debacle by appealing prematurely or unreasonably, but Tom is perfectly capable of requesting, in his own time, and his own way, that the topic ban be lifted, without causing drama. To suggest otherwise is to underestimate him. Geometry guy 02:18, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Nothing you wrote above is accurate in any manner. Mkativerata left over this issue primarily...not because someone was mad at being called a clown. Furthermore, I know for a fact that Tom is never going to ask for clemency on this matter...it would be "underestimating him" to assume that he would bother to do so.--MONGO 04:46, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Wikiquette assistance

I have brought up the ongoing issue stemming from Tom's case at WQA.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 22:57, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Heh...look two sections above that request...how many arbitration cases do we need to open...or can it all be fixed under one case?--MONGO 23:26, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I saw that. There's nothing to take to Arbitration. They're never going to undue/modify a ban made at AE. I'm hoping common sense prevails. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 23:38, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Actually, there's a silver lining here. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 23:55, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Something of this sort was inevitably going to happen: indeed in the absence of any initiative from other editors in the next few weeks, I'd quite likely put in a request myself to have the topic ban status reconsidered. Geometry guy 00:15, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

You guys are getting way too emotionally involved in this battle over 9/11 conspiracy theories. I just read through the talk page of the 9/11 conspiracy theories article, and I'm surprised that there hasn't been more AE or other administrative intervention requested. You all really need to step back on this, or I think it's going to go back to ArbCom again, just based on the tone of the comments you all make with each other and at the admin who banned Tom. Cla68 (talk) 01:31, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

"You all"? You'd be hard-pressed to find examples of me being uncivil. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 01:35, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I didn't see any incivil comments by you. I'm just posting this on your page because everyone involved appears to be watching it. Even though I don't see that you have crossed the incivility line, you do seem to have really personalized the dispute over the theories. Speaking from personal experience in a different topic area. It's better to take a break from it than to let it get to you like it appears to be getting to you all. Cla68 (talk) 01:39, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

I don't edit the 911 CT page anymore...didn't you just get blocked recently? What was that all about? You need to do what I do...get the blocking admin desysopped...that will teach em.--MONGO 01:44, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

If you look at the blocking admin's talk page, you will see that me and him have taken a different approach to our disagreement on that issue. Anyway, just giving you all some unsolicited advice. It can't be much fun to constantly be fighting with each other as it looks on the talk pages of those articles. Cla68 (talk) 01:49, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

It is most appreciated...no advice is better than the kind that is unsolicited.--MONGO 01:55, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and on the subject of my recent block, I will be drafting an essay on the abuse of logical fallacies in Misplaced Pages that I hope will be made into a guideline. Once I draft it, I welcome all of your input. Please put my user talk page on your watchlist and I will post a notice there when it's ready for review. Thank you. Cla68 (talk) 01:56, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

AQFK...what about an arbcom case which makes sure only the committee itself enforces prior rulings. Me thinks this might reduce the number of rash decisions that impact more than just the person penalized. I know there was a reason why the admin corp has been handling arbcom enforcement...something with conflict of interest issues, but that seems silly since arbcom hands down the decisions. Notice also how Tim dealt responded to questioning compared to the resigning admin and WGFinley...and yet the website is constantly lecturing everyone on compromise...I suppose the other admins should look at Tim's example...and I thanked him for his civil and compromising tone...thats the way to be an admin.--MONGO 02:07, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Also...AQFK...do you also feel like you're being followed?...TDA showed up in this unrelated thread...and here...are you seeing simiilar patterns?--MONGO 02:14, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

I am not sure why you are mentioning my comments at that RfC concerning the ScottyBerg case. Did you have any objection to what I said in that RfC regarding WR? You can't just say "OMG! This guy is commenting in some places where I also comment!" and reasonably label it harassment. People watchlist user talk pages, follow contributions, and all other sorts of things. What matters is not how you get there, but what you do once you arrive.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 02:51, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Odd you might have some inclination about my thoughts regarding that website.--MONGO 02:59, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

How is that odd? I don't think it's a secret.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 05:54, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

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Welcome back

The subject line says it all.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 15:54, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! :) A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 18:12, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Yeah...your vacation is over...now get to work.MONGO 18:38, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Welcome back... I appreciate how you were willing to stand up for a wronged individual. Let's all hope nothing like that happens again that would require such action... Toa Nidhiki05 18:59, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

I have also noted and respected/admired your principled stand. Welcome back from me too. Geometry guy 23:09, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, now I have to work on getting the resigning admin to come back... A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 16:39, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

That's an excellent idea. Any progress so far? Geometry guy 01:07, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

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9/11 article warnings section

Please explain your reason for the revert more clearly on the article talk page.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 15:42, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Could you please explain at the article talk page what you thought may not have been supported by the sources?--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 01:43, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Courtesy notification

I mentioned your name here in relation to your participation in a recent edit war at the 9/11 article. --John (talk) 17:17, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

The Devil's Advocate and Ghostofnemo have been tenditiously editing these articles for a long time, yet you filed a RfA against Mongo of all people? That doesn't make any sense. Why would you do that? A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 15:47, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

I assume you mean "tendentiously editing" as "tenditiously" is not a word (the same applies to your use of "tenditious" elsewhere). Geometry guy 01:07, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

John F. Kennedy assassination conspiracy theories

The article needs some work. It presents a lot of claims by conspiracy proponents as is and gives them undue weight to a fringe position among historical academics. On the talk page we're also discussing what can count as a reliable source. At least I recommend adding the page to your watchlist. --Harizotoh9 (talk) 01:55, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

I kind of feel overwhelmed there. I seem to be the only one critical of JFK conspiracy claims, and they're giving them far too much undue weight in the article. --Harizotoh9 (talk) 21:29, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I'm already busy with a number of different content disputes. Try posting something at the Fringe theory noticeboard. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 21:44, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

I only skimmed it, but the article only seems to explain the fringe viewpoints. I don't see where mainstream viewpoints are explained. Take a look at Moon landing conspiracy theories. For each fringe claim, the mainstream viewpoint is also explained. I'm not crazy about the formatting (bullet points and italics) but Moon landing conspiracy theories does a decent job explaining the topic. I used it as a model for when I rewrote much of 9/11 conspiracy theories. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 22:04, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Western betrayal

What did you think was wrong there that required reinforcements? The title is just fine the way it is. VєсrumЬа ►TALK 13:21, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm not a historian nor do I have a degree in history. I could be mistaken (and if I am, I apologize), but I don't believe any of us participating in the discussion is. As far as I know, we're all layman trying to figure this out. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 15:07, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

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April Masini

Since the article is under deletion review, can I request that it be userfied again? I don't want to lose all of my work. THANKS ^_^ GMHayes (talk) 22:20, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

It's OK, you won't lose your work. I had one of my articles deleted a couple years ago and an admin was able to userfy it. Anyway, the result of the AfD might be keep or no concensus (which results in keeping the article). But if it is deleted, you'll need an admin to userfy it - I'm not an admin. But like I said, there's no reason to worry. An admin will still be able to userfy it even after deletion. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 22:32, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Cool. Thanks for your help! GMHayes (talk) 23:09, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

tb

Thanks so much for the insight AQFK. I sincerely appreciate it.

April Masini AfD

From what I read in the policy guidelines extreme sarcasm, name-calling and "outing" (albeit an "attempting outing" in this case) is forbidden. For some reason Bromiliad39 has really disparaged and slandered April Masini (to say nothing of apparently even posted her home address) as well as disparaged SW Florida's local media outlets and GMHayes. Is this type of behavior common and acceptable by the admins? Jennyspencer (talk) 17:25, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I just looked over Bromiliad39's comments at the AfD and the article talk page and I'm not seeing any personal attacks. The COI accusations are inappropriate at the AfD, and I would just ignore those comments. COI has absolutely no bearing on whether a topic is notable. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 17:40, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi AQFK, is there a way I can insert newspaper and magazine references onto the page? I also would like to upload pdf files, though I have no clue how to do this :-( Unfortunately the page says no changes can be made to it until the issue has been resolved, and unless sources get added it is clear the page will be deleted. Is there anyone I can contact to give me permission to add the references? Thank you in advance for any guidance you can offer. Jennyspencer (talk) 18:41, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

I think you've misunderstood. It doesn't say that no changes can be made. It says "Feel free to edit the article, but the article must not be blanked, and this notice must not be removed, until the discussion is closed.". So go ahead and edit the article. You just can't remove the AfD notice. I'm not sure what kind of PDFs you're talking about. If your references are online, you can just use the URL as the reference. If your references are paper-based, then you specify the publisher, date, author, etc. like you were writing a term paper for school. Either way, here's a web page that makes it easier to fill out citation templates. It's what I use. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 20:20, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry to do this to you AQFK, but I posted a couple of revised lines in my Sandbox that have the pdf files attached. The good news is I figured out how to upload pdf's, the bad news is I can't get the images to "hide" while keeping the links. That said, do you have a free moment to take a look at the references and offer an opinion? Jennyspencer (talk) 21:18, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

I take it that these PDFs are image scans of printed sources? People don't upload PDFs like that for citations. Instead, they fill out a citation template only. I've taken the liberty of filling it out for you for the Governor Cayetano Honors Al and April Masini source:

<ref> {{cite news | title = Governor Cayetano Honors Al and April Masini | date = 1998-06-02 | publisher = State of Hawaii Office of teh Governor | work = Press Release | accessdate = 2012-03-25 | quote = "Governor Ben Cayetano is proclaiming June 4th Al and April Masini Day at a mahalo reception for the volunteers of the Miss Universe Pageant at Washington Place on Thursday, June 4 1998 from 5:30p.m. to 7:30p.m. Al and Appril Masini proved their immense love for Hawaii and the people of the state by devoting close to a year of their time and energy to make the 1998 Miss Universe Pageant widly successful," said Governor Cayetano."}}</ref>

As for my opinion, they appear to be secondary sources so they help establish notability. But the other PDF is too blurry for me to read so I can't say for certain. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 22:03, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

I've taken the liberty of adding a sentence about the Governor of Hawaii proclaiming June 4th, 1998 "Al and April Masini Day". That is how to do it. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 22:20, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Then I posted a comment to the AfD to let the closing admin know that a new source has been found and added to the article. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 22:25, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

You are incredibly kind AQFK. I cannot tell you how grateful I am for your help. THANK YOU! The other two are pdf files of magazines. Imi Loa Magazine is put out by the a branch of the Governor's Office and chronicles (in several pages) much of the work done by April Masini building Hawaii's television and film industry, including an interview with Baywatch's producer discussing how she convinced him to move the show. I don't think there is anyway to extract the related quotes... there are too many important ones. I don't understand why it's blurry on your end... It was fine when I uploaded it. What do you suggest? Jennyspencer (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:38, 25 March 2012 (UTC).

You don't need to upload PDFs. All you have to do is read the magazine article and summarize (as best you can) what the magazine article is saying in your own words. Add that to the April Masini article and add inline citation by filling out the citation template. You can fill it out manually yourself or use this tool. I'm heading out for the night. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask me but you'll have to wait until tomorrow for an answer. If you don't want to wait, feel free to ask questions at our WP:Help desk. Good luck! A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 22:51, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

THANK YOU so very much AQFK! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jennyspencer (talk • contribs) 23:18, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi AQFK! It's the pest back to bother you again.... I've revised the April Masini page, changing it's focus from author to political activist for television and film. I've also listed a ton more references. I believe there is now an excerpt posted, from a source, to support every statement made on the page. I don't know if I'm allowed to do that or not, but I did? It was pretty obvious that people weren't reading the articles, so I thought maybe they'll read the excerpts. However, based upon what's transpired I'm not optimistic it will matter either way. Two questions: (1) Is there anything more that you think I should do? and (2) How long do you think it will be before they delete the page? (I have to assume that's what is going to happen.) It would be ironic it was on April 1st -- then you could add April Masini to your list of April's Fools Jokes! ;-) You've been a terrific help AQFK and I want to thank you again. Jennyspencer (talk) 02:07, 29 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jennyspencer (talk • contribs) 01:58, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi Jenny, I think you did some great work, but you don't need 11 cites for the fact that she writes for Match.com. But since they're already in there, you might as well leave them be. WP:CLOSEAFD says an AfD can be closed after 7 days, but it might take more time to read through the discussion and the article. If you haven't already, I would add a comment in the AfD discussion to the closing admin that since the AfD began, you added more references. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 15:09, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Will do... Thank you again AQFK!!! Jennyspencer (talk) 16:39, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

I wonder if I could ask you another question AQFK? I received a message saying that, "We can't use those Match.com links, they don't count as reliable references. I have a bad feeling that this article probably won't be kept. Again, the match.com and primary sources don't count. I'm sorry! :( Sarah (talk) 17:34, 29 March 2012" Do you think I should remove all of the links to the Match.com articles? Also, it seems like my revisions are being counted as those from a "primary source" and thus don't count. Am I understanding this properly? I am sorry, I realize that I am high maintenance due to being so new to wikipedia and I'm sorry to keep bugging you. Jennyspencer (talk) 18:09, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

I replied at SarahStierch's page. Don't worry, we're all newbies when we start. :) A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 18:15, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your continued assistance and guidance in navigating the treacherous waters of wikipedia AQFK. Jennyspencer (talk) 18:28, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

AQFK, I just wanted to stop by and thank you again. If not for your kind support and assistance I would have given up.... You have no idea how much it meant to have someone (ie: you) keep an open mind and lend a hand (so to speak) when no one else would. Your factual rebuttals allowed the article to be userified again, instead of being deleted. I am very grateful. THANK YOU! Jennyspencer (talk) 23:40, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm glad I could help. You can continue working on the article while it's in user space: April Masini. If you want to establish notability, try to find newspaper/magazine articles like this one. Note that she's the subject of the article, rather than just used for a sound bite. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 15:49, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Re: ANI

Understood. I just thought such a statement was a bit of a mischaracterisation: I, for one, have had AN watchlisted for longer than AN/I. And yes, if outside input is desired, initiating discussion at a new forum may be in order. I personally disdain RfCs; I find them to generate more heat than light, but that's just me. ~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 00:21, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

I posted a short message at the Village Pump. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 00:40, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Shooting of Trayvon Martin dispute and subsequent admin tool abuse

The problem I think some people are having in that AN discussion is that they seem to be having a hard time discerning the difference between the "dispute" and the "abuse". They may look at the dispute and determine that he used his admin tools correctly, based on their agreement with him in the "content dispute". I think that you and I may be the only two who can clearly make out the difference, based on the comments at AN so far. These are clear violations of trust that I feel should not be tolerated from anyone with admin tools. I don;t know how else to explain to people to put aside their bias on the dispute and only look at the two clear violations of our rules for admins. Funny, I probably would have taken his side in the dispute had I been aware of it, but I will stay out of it, until this issue is resolved. Good luck. I wouldn't waste too much time on this though. I'm sure you have, as well as I do, better things to do with your time. Still it would be a shame to see this go unpunished. Cheers.--JOJ 02:25, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

I think you've articulated the problem well. Should this end up at ArbCom, they won't side with Drmies‎. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 02:35, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Maybe. I'm not really all that invested emotionally in how this particular thread ends, but would give my opinion if an ArbCom was begun. I just hate to see these types of violations go without even a warning. They only breed mistrust and lead to more problems in the future. Shame. If anything, at least the involved admin will think twice before making these mistakes again in the future.--JOJ 02:40, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Well, hopefully, they learned their lesson. I'll keep that article on my watchlist. If they misuse their admin tools again, it's not just an isolated incident of misconduct, but a pattern. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 01:30, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Text editors

In the past I've used the external editor. It worked well after I got it set up. Tom Harrison 19:51, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

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Your help is, in fact, greatly appreciated. Jayjg 02:32, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

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Typo

Hi! I don't know if you've noticed, but here was a slight typo in the link you posted here. This is Anthonyhcole's actual block log. Regards, Jafeluv (talk) 07:20, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. It's now fixed. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 14:54, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

9/11 GA Drive - Notes to myself

• Version of article at end of GAR
• Diff between current version and GAR
• August 2011 Peer review
• August 2011 FA review

A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 20:24, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Is this now on hold? How about shooting it to Peer Review?--MONGO 03:24, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

No, it's not on hold. There's a list on the article talk page of items that need to be addressed. Previously, I asked on the article talk page who else was interested in reaching WP:GA status. Several editors responded positively, but the list mostly remains unaddressed. It seems like most of the work is falling on me - which is fine - but even I get bored/distracted by other things, and right now, I'm working on creating lists of self-published sources. I plan to return to the 9/11 article, but if things are moving too slow, it would be nice if someone besides me did some of the work. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 03:32, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

I attract all the wrong kinds of people...but I'll be there to help with MOS and related issues...I have a project page being reviewed now and will check on the 9/11 list this weekend. The truth is, one editor is usually the lead on any GA or FA push as you were the last time...it's not fair to you, nor do I expect you to lead...but I think many of the issues that undermined the GA have been neutralized either by improvements or additions...not all of which were, in my opinion, helpful to maintaining focus, but what can we say.--MONGO 03:45, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Starting to work on MOS issues...I'll be going back and forth after consulting MOS and doing some adjustments...I will say that I would retitle the events section and rename it "attacks" and combine the two since right now almost the same info is in two adjacent sections...I'd put each flight, the times and the numbers of passengers, etc...MONGO 15:21, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

I think Events is fine. The reason why is that it's already in a section named Attacks. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 15:29, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

The sections should be combined...right now we're giving part of the plane/casualty/timeframes in one section and part in the adjacent section...combining the info in one place may be info overload, but better to have it all centralized for flow...IMHO...MONGO 15:59, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

RS

Hey,Its good think that you have posted on several boards about this issue but usually talk pages are overlooked so I don't think you will get much responses.Maybe you should post on Misplaced Pages:Village_pump--Shrike (talk) 06:36, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

NPA

This is a personal attack. Don't do that. I shall regard further accusations of "falsely claiming" or similar phrases as harassment. Cusop Dingle (talk) 18:40, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

I said your claims were false. That's a remark about your argument, not you as person. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 18:42, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Irrelevant. "There you go again" is not a statement about my claims but about me. "You falsely claimed" is a statement about me. "You refuse to acknowledge your mistakes" is a statement about me. If you repeat such statements I shall regard it as harassment. Cusop Dingle (talk) 18:50, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

If you want me to stop pointing out your claims are false, then just stop making false claims. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 18:58, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

It seems hard to believe, but perhaps you really do not understand what I'm telling you here. Let me spell it out. Statements you make involving an active verb such as "go", "claim" and prefixed by a subject such as "you" are statements about a person -- in this case me. Those statements are attacks on my conduct as a person, and hence personal attacks. Don't do that. Clear? If you refer to my conduct again in this fashion, you will be harassing me. Clear? Cusop Dingle (talk) 19:19, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

As long as you continue to make false claims, I will continue to point them out. Now, please leave me alone. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 19:27, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

note - ANI

H i the user above has reported your comments to Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:A Quest For Knowledge and Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard - Regards Youreallycan 16:37, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

A frivolous report if I ever saw one. Never mind that AN/I isn't dispute resolution. However, in the spirit of compromise, I struck thru the offending phrase. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 16:41, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Note to myself

User:A_Quest_For_Knowledge/September_11_attacks_-_Books A Quest For Knowledge (talk)

Another note to myself

Tate Publishing & Enterprises and Trafford Publishing need cites. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 03:13, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

And Publish America. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 00:22, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Self publishing and reliability

FYI: Misplaced Pages:Village_pump_(idea_lab)#How_do_lists_get_promoted.3F is plugging that concept. Also, a new discussion on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Wikipedia_reliability. Would you like to join that project, now that you have done so much to improve that list? Membership is free, and will encourage others to pitch in. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 20:27, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

If you haven't already, I'd post an invite on the talk pages of WP:V, WP:RS and WP:RSN.

BTW, I posted notices about the lists at WP:FRINGE and WP:FRINGE/N. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 20:33, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

To my talk page lurkers

In an effort to improve sourcing in our articles, me and a couple other editors have created two lists of self-publishing companies:

• List of self-publishing companies in article space for notable self-publishing houses
• WP:List of self-publishing companies in Misplaced Pages space for notable and non-notable self-publishing houses

It's our hope that by maintaining such lists, it will be easier for editors to identify self-published books, and thus improve sourcing of our articles. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 01:35, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. That is very helpful. Cla68 (talk) 02:09, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

My username

Hi would you please do me the favor of referring to me by my new username and editing your recent comment to that position? As a suggestion - you could change your comment to - I have had many disagreements with this user , or I have had many disagreements with Youreallycan - Youreallycan 19:36, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Sure, I'll do that now. Sorry, no offense was intended. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 19:38, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much - Youreallycan 19:41, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	For your work with WP:List of self-publishing companies. Nuff said SÆdon 00:09, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much. :) A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 19:09, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Scope

You might want to correct your comment since that wasn't part of Group 4 draft 10. Regards, --Bob K31416 (talk) 18:57, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

I've double checked it and unless the formatting of that page is screwed up, it is a part of Group 4 draft 10. What draft do you think it's part of? A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 12:54, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps the formatting misled you. I've responded on that talk page and injected a clarifying comment in brackets after Group 4 draft 10. Regards, --Bob K31416 (talk) 14:05, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Now that it has been clarified that it is not part of Group 4 draft 10, could you modify your original message with strike outs in the appropriate places? Thanks. --Bob K31416 (talk) 16:02, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Fat finger on iPhone

Sorry! JoeSperrazza (talk) 13:42, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

No problem. :) I surprised that doesn't happen more often. A Quest For Knowledge (talk)

Dispute resolution

hi = if you think something is uncivil then please primarily discuss it with the user on his talkpage , perhaps ask him to strike it - it discussion fails to resolve the issue perhaps ask as admin to look at the issue and to help resolve the dispute = please don't simply remove another users comment - Youreallycan 23:56, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

It shows incredibly poor judgement part to restore such an offensive, if not borderline, anti-Semetic comment like that. There is nothing wrong with being a Jew. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 23:59, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Can you please move your comment

Hi A Quest For Knowledge, Can you please move your comment at Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Edit-warring_at_ANI_considered_harmful under section Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Viriditas_and_User:Anupam, as the edit warring is happening in this section by User:Anupam, who is reported there. -Abhishikt (talk) 03:58, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

My apologies. Thank you for the correction. Let me know if I still manage to screw it up. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 04:07, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Wrong section?

I think you placed this in the wrong section? —SpacemanSpiff 03:58, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I did. Thank you for the correction. To anyone reading my talk page, if I still managed to screw it up, please feel free to move or delete my comment. I'm heading to bed soon and won't be able to correct any mistake until morning. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 04:08, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

WP:ANI answer

I'm not going to edit into the archived section, but I did want to answer your question. In fact you'll note that I answered it earlier in the conversation, up above the point Jauerback first posted. I believe it was in response to Ooobunnies (pardon if the usernames mispelled). Looking at the totality of the situation, the IP should have been blocked for 3RR inserting of BLP violating material. Then I believe the word I used for what should have been done to JoelWhy is "Wrist slap + education" on how to properly deal with those situations so it doesn't degenerate so far so fast.--Cube lurker (talk) 14:33, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

I didn't realize the discussion was closed; that's why I self-reverted. Thanks for the reply. On a side note, I think an interesting exercise would be to ask some of the regular patrollers of WP:AN3 (like EdJohnston, for example) what they would have done. Someone with more experience might know how to better handle these types of situations. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 14:47, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

You posted right after the close, I didn't have an issue with that, but I also knew if I replied there someone would come along and revert us, (And probably gleefully tell me I fucked up based on the exchange I had earlier in the thread). On the other, might be interesting, but might be swayed by other dynamics. You might get different answers to a blind hypothetical, and an answer knowing they were critiquing another admins actions. I don't know the personalities there, but I've seen that at play other places before.--Cube lurker (talk) 15:09, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, you're probably right about the other dynamics. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 19:03, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Visible Ink Press

I thought about removing that from your answer, I figured you probably wouldn't have added that on the actual RSN page, but I didn't wanna overstep and make assumptions . -- Despayre   20:20, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

I wouldn't have minded if you had, but there are probably editors that would have. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 20:24, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Help Desk talkback: you've got messages!

Falling Rain

NP, thanks for the email, when I first read the question, I thought it lacked even enough detail for a general answer (and what good is a general answer anyway? I would prefer the straightforward "here's the edit, here's the source, what's your thoughts?" kind of question), but I checked it out after I got your email and the website was back up, it was actually easier than I thought to rule it out. Thanks for the heads-up though, I don't mind at all. -- Despayre   00:12, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Signing

Since you almost asked,

• Single tilde generates ~
• Double tilde generates ~~
• Triple tilde generates LeadSongDog come howl!
• Quadruple tilde generates LeadSongDog come howl! 20:52, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Ah, I must have accidentally typed 3 tilda's. Thanks for the tip. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 20:58, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Comment?

I noticed your name at the WP:RS talk page, so I was wondering if you mind commenting at Talk:The Light of the Sun. Its about whether Twitter can be used as a reliable source to verify album sales. Dan56 (talk) 18:42, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Arbitration motion regarding Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Climate change

Resolved by motion that:

The restriction imposed on A Quest For Knowledge (talk · contribs) by Remedy 18 of the Climate change case ("A Quest For Knowledge topic-banned") is hereby lifted.

For the Arbitration Committee,

-- Lord Roem (talk) 15:28, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Yeah! Finally some good news on this website! MONGO 16:08, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 17:59, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Congrats, and good luck. MastCell  18:27, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations, I'm glad to see this restriction lifted. . . dave souza, talk 21:50, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate everyone's support. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 22:36, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Transit of Venus

Replying to your science ref desk question here as not to spam that page. Rainbow symphony offers eclipse viewing glasses suitable for viewing the transit, minimum 25 unit order though. SkyMachine 21:40, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

request for a comment on a wall of text :)

Any chance I can get you to weigh in, with whatever you think, on the Misplaced Pages:RSN#Abkhazian_Network_News_Agency_showing_video_interviews_with_Houla_massacre_survivors_.28plus_Syria_News.29 section, please and thank-you? -- Despayre   01:50, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Google Doodle

Yesterday was the transit of Venus, an event that won't happen again in over a hundred years, and Google didn't even have a doodle to commemorate the event.

Today is the anniversary of D-Day (Allied invasion of Europe in WWII) and today's Google doodle is about drive-in theaters. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 14:42, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Hopefully when they begin mining asteroids they'll have a google doodle about that. SkyMachine 00:45, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

When they ask for rope, what can you do?

I think an RFC is a bad idea, because it is stupid. But I would note that the last few RFCs on Wikinews haven't received formal closure, because the result was blindingly obvious—I'm not sure that anyone can offer any original facts or arguments regarding wikinews, but then again, I was brought up to let people revisit topics tiresomely (because ARBCOM and Admins wouldn't do their job in content disputes). Fifelfoo (talk) 02:13, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I doubt the result of an RfC is going to turn out any differently than the result at RSN, but let's make sure the RfC is formally closed this time around. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 02:30, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Paul McCartney FAC

The Paul McCartney article has now been thoroughly copyedited top-to-bottom by numerous editors including User:Lfstevens, a member of the Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors. If you can find the time in your busy schedule, please consider stopping by and taking a look, and hopefully, !voting. ~ GabeMc 04:43, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Six Day War edits

Thanks for your edits on the Six Day War article in regards to semantics, awkwardness, punctuation, grammar, etc. While certain editors duke it out in regards to content, it is always valuable to have editors fix the grammar, which can ruin a perfectly good article.

Just in the future, try to make your edits in only one edit. This way, it's much easier to see all of your edits compared to the previous person's edit. In case you don't know, an easy way to do this is to make your edit, click "show preview," see the preview of your edits, and then decide whether it's sufficient and save changes or to go back to the edit box at the bottom of the page and make more changes, and repeat the process.

It's just easier to be able to see the diffs. It worked out fine with you, since it's not a big deal for grammar, but if you could just keep this in mind for the future, that'd be really great.

And once again, thanks for contributing to Misplaced Pages and helping out on the article. It's much appreciated. --Activism1234 23:09, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

I prefer to make my edits one at a time as I read through the article. If you want to see my edits as one diff, you can go into Six-Day War: Revision history, select the radio button immediately before my first edit and then select radio button of my last edit. So, for example, here's all my changes so far in one diff. Does that work for you?

So far, it's pretty decent article. I got a little confused in the "Background and summary of events leading to war" section regarding Egypt massing its troops in Sinai. It starts off saying that a large part of Nasser's army was already in Sinai and that they continued a troop build up. But later, it states that Nasser began to concentrate his troops in the Sinai Peninsula.

Anyway, I'm probably done for the night editing the article. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 23:29, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Oh wow thanks for pointing out that tool aboutthe radio button! That's so useful! I retract my previous statement now. And I haven't been involved that much in editing the page too much or creating that passage, but I do know there is a major fight going on about the passage and certain wording. --Activism1234 00:50, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Your email

Noted. I think there's some context that you are not particularly familiar with that I just laid out in my most recent comment in that thread. T. Canens (talk) 06:32, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Oh, sure, I'm not familiar with the editors or the topic space. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 15:16, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Straw poll at Shooting of Trayvon Martin

This notification is to inform you of a straw poll being conducted at the talk page of Shooting of Trayvon Martin, your comments would be welcome and appreciated on the allegations of witness #9. Note: If you choose to comment, please mention you were contacted via this notification. Thanks!-- Isaidnoway (talk) 08:16, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm tempted to post the following:

• Strong support Just to be contrarian. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 21:08, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

But I don't think everyone would appreciate my sense of humor. :) A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 21:08, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Testing Share template

A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 22:30, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit warring?

You made a claim about "edit warring" on User talk:TrevelyanL85A2, demanding that "sanctions" be imposed on me. Looking at the talk page history, however, there is no evidence of edit warring. There is one reversion of a restored edit of a banned user/wikihounder per WP:DENY. Collect made a similarly unjustified outburst to you on WP:AE, repeatedly making false claims of battleground conduct, and was barred from commenting there in matters related to WP:ARBR&I.

If you deem that some kind of sanction should be imposed on me, the way for you to proceed to is to make a request for a formal amendment at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment, outlining the sanction you have in mind. Every assertion in the request, particularly if serious, should be accompanied by diffs. Note also several arbitrators have expressed the view that proxy-editing on behalf of site-banned editors has intensified following the close of the review. You might want to address that point, since you seem to be in disagreement with arbitrators. Thanks, Mathsci (talk) 07:30, 18 July 2012 (UTC)