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Revision as of 14:51, 5 August 2012 editPrioryman (talk | contribs)Autopatrolled, Extended confirmed users, IP block exemptions, Pending changes reviewers27,962 edits Evidence of disputed behaviour: - add← Previous edit Revision as of 15:56, 5 August 2012 edit undoYoureallycan (talk | contribs)12,095 edits Response: This RFCU has been opened in retaliation to comments I made on Jimmy Wales talk page about User:Prioryman - User:ChrisO a violator at arbitration level - an abuser of Misplaced Pages at all levelsNext edit →
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*This RFCU has been opened in retaliation to comments I made on Jimmy Wales talk page about ] - ] a violator at arbitration level - an abuser of Misplaced Pages at all levels - <font color="purple">]</font><font color="orange">really</font><font color="red">]</font> 15:56, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
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Statement of the dispute

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In the last seven months, Youreallycan (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has racked up 7 blocks and a further 12 blocks between March 2009 - November 2011 under his former username, Off2riorob (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). The blocks have been for the following reasons:

  • Disruptive editing / edit-warring / 3RR violations - 12 blocks
  • Personal attacks - 6 blocks
  • Making legal threats - 1 block

He has repeatedly promised to desist but has just as repeatedly failed to keep his promises. He took on a mentor, Dennis Brown, in May 2012 but only two months later rejected Dennis, making hostile accusations against him despite all the work that Dennis had done to help him . He has shown few signs of improvement and is continuing to rack up blocks at the rate of one a month on average (and twice in July alone). He edit-wars repeatedly, makes personal attacks, fails to assume good faith, refuses to accept consensus and has failed to reform his behaviour. This is clearly a situation where a user has a long-term behavioural problem. Although he has repeatedly expressed willingness to change his behaviour and will no doubt do so again in this RfC, his repeated relapses indicate that he lacks the self-control to overcome his negative behaviours. The rate at which is getting blocked has accelerated from an average of a block every 3 months on his old account to 1 block a month on his current account, indicating that the problem is getting worse, not better.

Dennis Brown's comments on YRC posted on 22 July are a good summary of what is wrong with the latter's behaviour:

I think you need to take a hard look at your attitude about BLP in general. The attitude that you would rather be blocked than allow something to be put in an article that you disagree with is incompatible with Misplaced Pages. Your editing here, putting the person in the article first and Misplaced Pages second may sound honorable, but it is actually combative and presumptive. ... You have taken to a level of fanaticism. You operate under the impression that it is you against everyone else, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. You encourage a battleground by your perspective on BLP, and your perspective is incompatible with a cooperative environment. ... What you lack is a willingness to compromise or to accept when you are outnumbered in consensus. You have been very binary in your thinking here, even while you have made a lot of progress in communicating better, the message you are communicating is unyielding, uncompromising and is causing a great deal of disruption and distress among good, quality editors.

I have previously said very similar things in a December 2011 discussion of YRC's conduct and it is discouraging that he has completely failed to heed other people's advice about the impact of his behaviour. Although he has made some good contributions to the project, his ongoing behavioural problems have caused repeated disruption and distress to others and he has failed to make use of the many chances he has been given to change his ways.

Desired outcome

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The ideal outcome of this RfC would be that Youreallycan will:

  • Desist from further edit-warring;
  • Cease all personal attacks;
  • Come into line with generally held community guidelines in terms of conduct.

However, given his record I do not have any expectation whatsoever that this will happen and his repeated failure to keep his promises makes me believe that further promises will be worthless. I anticipate that arbitration will ultimately be necessary to resolve this issue.

Description

See statement above.

Evidence of disputed behaviour

  1. Comments from Dennis Brown, his mentor between May-July 2012, reviewing the problems with YRC's behaviour
  2. Edit warring on User:Coren's user talk page
  3. , , , - Edit warring on Stephen M. Cohen, following which he was blocked by User:Coren
  4. , , - further edit warring on Stephen M. Cohen a few days after the previous block had expired
  5. Harassment of another editor, disruptive editing and edit-warring (background info from User:Magog the Ogre)
  6. Challenging User:Magog the Ogre to block him, followed by personal attacks against Magog
  7. , , , - edit-warring on Andrew Nikolić, resulting in a block by User:Moreschi
  8. , - personal attacks against User:Gamaliel, resulting in a block
  9. - AN/I discussion of YRC's personal attacks on other editors, resulting in a block by User:Timotheus Canens
  10. Blocked by User:Jehochman for edit-warring, feuding and making personal attacks against other editors
  11. Blocked by User:Crazycomputers for repeatedly edit-warring over the header on Talk:Jewish Defense League
  12. AN/I discussion on O2RR/YRC's disruptive editing of Ed Milliband
  13. , - Telling admins with whom he is in a dispute that he will "remove" their admin status and that they will face requests for "removal of your advanced privileges"; an example of his unpleasant style of personal interaction in a dispute
  14. - Comments to Moreschi: "If you block me I will create another account and defend living people with that account, that is what I do", "When this account is banned I will create other accounts and use them to defend living people under attack from partisan COI contributors using en wikipedia to publish attack content"

Applicable policies and guidelines

  1. WP:NPA
  2. WP:CIVILITY
  3. WP:DE
  4. WP:3RR
  5. WP:AGF
  6. WP:IDHT
  7. WP:BATTLE
  8. WP:OWN

Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute

  1. December 2011 discussion on AN/I with constructive criticism and feedback from YRC
  2. Offer from myself (Prioryman) to YRC to help him with advice and assistance, to which YRC responded positively
  3. User talk:Youreallycan/YRC2.0 - Dennis Brown's lengthy and systematic effort to resolve YRC's behaviour (started 15 May 2012)
  4. - YRC rejects Dennis as his mentor (22 July 2012)

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  1. Prioryman (talk) 14:28, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
  2. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 14:48, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

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