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Ian Brady was born and bred in Scotland. Why does the page relating to him not mention this?

Ian Brady was born and bred in Scotland. Why does the page relating to him not mention this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.12.113.180 (talk) 23:36, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

It does, it mentions he was born in Glasgow in the background section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.104.200.243 (talk) 05:30, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps 82.12.113.180 doesn't know that Glasgow is in Scotland? Malleus Fatuorum 04:20, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Incorrect use of words

There is a line here that describes when little Evans is wrapped and put in the bedroom.

It reads: so they wrapped it in plastic sheeting and put it in the spare bedroom.

They have written IT instead of HIM.

Please correct as it is very upsetting.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.154.0.139 (talk) 11:57, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

The 'it' refers not to Evans but to Evans' body which is mentioned at the start of the sentence. No correction is needed. I agree it is a disagreeable sentence to read but it seems to reflect fact. Rewriting the sentence to something like "Evans was too heavy ... so they wrapped him in plastic sheeting and put him in the spare bedroom" is, to my mind no less disagreeable. We are dealing here with the extremes of human behaviour and cruelty. Caesar's Daddy (talk) 12:20, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

A dead body is not a person, it is a dead body, no matter how it arrived at that state. "It" is fine. Parrot of Doom 12:22, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Evans'

I changed the possessive to Evans's; contrary to popular belief, names ending in "s" generally take "'s " when they are possessive. Apostrophe is somewhat ambiguous on the subject, but most real world style guides endorse this practice, as do most discussions on Misplaced Pages that I have seen. --John (talk) 12:47, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Cool with that. Caesar's Daddy (talk) 16:04, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Even Fowler would agree with that change. Malleus Fatuorum 16:26, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Lead

I have not been privy to prior discussions on this page - why should the country not be linked in the opening sentence? --Kwekubo (talk) 21:20, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

It's a general convention on Misplaced Pages that common terms aren't linked. Parrot of Doom 21:30, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Yeh, well I'm not sure we need your confirmation for every change Parrot. Unless you have nowt better to do. Caesar's Daddy (talk) 21:39, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

But it appears that you do need to be taught the basics, so hand-holding seems appropriate in your case. Malleus Fatuorum 23:01, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Diagnosed psychopath

This well-sourced, relevant, factual piece of information about Brady has been removed four times by someone who thinks it is "bollocks". One editor disagreeing with this accurate diagnosis is no reason to remove it. Criminally insane and psychopathic are not synonymous, as either one can exist without the other. The former is a legal judgement, the latter a psychiatric diagnosis. Both are obviously relevant in Brady's case, and hence to this article. Jim Michael (talk) 02:17, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

My objection was to the ludicrous "criminally insane psychopath", which really makes no sense. I'm quite happy with a simple "psychopath". Malleus Fatuorum 03:03, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 21 August 2012

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Please post on the links to the current petitions to find Keith Bennett.

Please sign the two petition that are currently running regarding this

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/18950

http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/united-kingdom-home-office-help-keith-bennett-s-mother-winnie-johnson-find-her-son

Thank you

91.84.131.177 (talk) 12:29, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Such an addition would be inappropriate. This article is about Brady and Hindley, not Keith Bennett, and there's already a link to the official Keith Bennett web site included. Malleus Fatuorum 12:35, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Links to online petitions fail WP:ELNO.--♦IanMacM♦ 12:39, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Hindley's death

I think a reasonable claim could be made that Hindley's death, like Brady's state of health, should be moved into her "incarceration" section. It seems somewhat disconnected where it is now. Parrot of Doom 16:32, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Seems reasonable. Malleus Fatuorum 16:51, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Ok, done. I made some other minor changes in the same edit. Parrot of Doom 20:14, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Separate pages for Brady and Hindley

I believe they require separate articles (as was the case before). There is much detail, particularly in Brady's case of mental health issues and the great deal of information which has emerged about him and his activities whilst in incarceration over the years. I've noticed that many other criminals have their own pages. Tom Green (talk) 21:20, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

I believe you're mistaken. If they had separate articles then there would be a great deal of unproductive duplication, as there was before. Malleus Fatuorum 21:23, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Then is it acceptable to add considerable detail regarding his mental health condition over the years, his writing of letters and his frequent appearances in the news - to this article? Tom Green (talk) 22:36, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

No. And neither is it relevant. Malleus Fatuorum 22:40, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't think anything more than a basic summary would be appropriate as Brady's notoriety stems from his criminal activity before he was imprisoned. His time in prison really isn't all that important, not when compared to Hindley. Parrot of Doom 22:41, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

It is relevant to have an extensive profile of such a notorious criminal. Pages for other criminals exist, so are they incorrect? Tom Green (talk) 16:48, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Possibly, possibly not. It is of course irrelevant that "other stuff exists", but some concrete examples might help. So which other notorious criminals are you thinking of? Malleus Fatuorum 16:52, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

FYI, until September 2009 there was a separate page for Myra Hindley; this is what it looked before it was turned into a redirect, which I think clearly demonstrates the problem of trying to cover Brady and Hindley in separate articles. There was no article for Ian Brady so far as I'm aware or can recall, but if there had been it would have looked remarkably like Hindley's, and both would have been duplicating the contents of Moors murders, as Hindley's already did. Malleus Fatuorum 17:00, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Brady July 2012 illness and current condition

A couple of sentences on this issue are vitally important on a Misplaced Pages article. Articles should be up-to-date with highly relevant and well-sourced information. Tom Green (talk) 21:12, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is not a newspaper. Mr Stephen (talk) 21:22, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

And the article is not about Brady's health.J3Mrs (talk) 21:24, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for that. You might want to try reading it yourself: "As Misplaced Pages is not a paper source, editors are encouraged to include current and up-to-date information within its coverage, and to develop stand-alone articles on significant current events." Tom Green (talk) 21:28, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

It is relevant to his time in incarceration, as is details of his letter writing and hunger strikes (already covered in the section). Either the information belongs in that section, or it belongs in a stand-alone article on Brady. You cannot have it both ways. Tom Green (talk) 21:28, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Totally agree with TomGreen here. 86.130.136.87 (talk) 21:32, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't agree. He's been in hospital before and from what I can gather isn't exactly at death's door. Today's stories will be tomorrow's chip paper. Parrot of Doom 21:45, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

The problem here is consistency. By your logic of things that happen frequently, should we have quotes from him and references to his letter writing and refusal to reveal the location of the final grave? The consistency and depth of the section leave much to be desired. Tom Green (talk) 21:49, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Did you just attempt to evade a 3RR violation by posting as an IP? Malleus Fatuorum 21:53, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Oh my goodness the boys are out in force tonight! Caesar's Daddy (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:57, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Is this a private editor club? I think it's MF who has now broken 3RR. 109.148.57.131 (talk) 22:04, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Then think again, and if you believe that I give a flying fuck about 3RR in the face of this violation of a sensitive article then you need think again again. Malleus Fatuorum 22:11, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

The problem is people who feel an urgency to make an edit...any edit...just so long as the article contains something about what's happened in the press of late. This story has been going on for 50 years now, the last few days are largely unimportant. Brady's "letter" is included in the article and accorded due weight. Winnie Johnson has died but then again so have many other relatives, so nothing more needs to be said about that. If Keith Bennett's body is found then a significant expansion on that aspect is of course due. But Brady's illness is irrelevant until he is either declared terminally ill or dead, and not much will change my opinion on that. Parrot of Doom 22:01, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Then I think that his quotation of being bitter is also irrelevant by those standards. Again, consistency is lacking here. Tom Green (talk) 23:07, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

You can think what you like but my argument stands and any attempt to add trivia to this article will be met with a swift reversion. I will not see it become a series of Twitter postings about Brady's condition. Parrot of Doom 08:06, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

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