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Untranslatable

Can it be added that although the word "Selah" is untranslatable, its meaning is completely obvious in context to those who understand Biblical Hebrew. It is just that the multiple concepts are not easily explained in other languages. Similarly, the comma as it is used in English has various properties (e.g., the original Greek use as a breathing mark as opposed to the English grammatical use) and would require a lengthy article to explain it - academics may argue about definitions and so on, but speakers of the language know exactly what is meant even if they find it hard to verbalise. Words like Schadenfreude are what is more commonly meant by 'untranslatable' in that they do not have a direct English equivalent, but rather, require several words to explain what is meant. (And yes, I know that Schadenfreude does translate directly to epicaricacy, but that's hardly common usage.) But I digress; the point is that the page as it stands is a translation - just a rather wordy one. 212.134.179.30 (talk) 18:58, 17 June 2008 (UTC)Josh

Well, since no-one cared enough to answer, I have changed the article. 92.234.8.173 (talk) 03:24, 29 April 2009 (UTC)Josh

The 6th Beracha of the Amida is not Selah

The 6th beracha of the Amidah is not "selah" - rather "selicha". Some transliterate the Hebrew "selach" (imperative verb - forgive!) as selah; so in the Amidah we have "selach lanu avinu" - "forgive us our Father"

The article is refering to the second to last blessing right before the prayer for peace. "v'khol ha'chaim yedukha selah". Jon513 20:55, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

holding Selah?

In the song Selah by the Ethiopians, the Ras Tafari is said to hold "Selah". I have difficulty interpreting the meaning of the lyric:

Want to leave out Babylon

I am tired of Babylon
Want to leave out Babylon
Oh because the Saviour hold

Selah

Is the Saviour "holding" the Selah? What is meant by this? Any thoughts?--Sonjaaa 17:42, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

No one is 'holding the Selah' is this song. The word is being used as a musical device, much as it is utilized in the Psalms. The lyric is stating the desire to leave Babylon, because the Saviour hold(s). Selah is used as a musical pause here.

gematria

I find the addition of the discussion on gematria a bit jarring in context. Implicitly it places study of "the mathematical underpinnings" of the Bible on par with scientifically established lexicography and historical critical research. I would suggest abbreviating this section and/or setting it apart somehow indicating that it represents minority opinion or that it is controversial in nature. Gematria is also a separate entry and a link might be in order.

70.48.153.199David

I agree. It needs a source, at least. I also find the use of English Gematria very strange. --agr 22:15, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Simple(6,74) English(7,74) Gematria(8,74) has been a tool of Kaballists, Freemasons, and Rosicrucians for many centuries and it's now all over the Internet and its use has been documented in many books. "'The mathematical underpinnings' of the Bible are on par with scientifically established lexicography and historical critical research". The Hebrew leaders and scribes were well aware of the GOD=7_4 Code (although it took awhile for The Holy Tongue and the Word 'God' to evolve/reappear). The Hebrew practioners of the ancient mysteries were/are also well aware that 'selah' appears 74x in the Bible. The Gematria reference should NOT have been deleted by an unenlightened destroyer of esoteric sacred knowledge. - Brad Watson, Miami (talk) 15:44, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Once again, Brad, gematria is not considered a reliable source (reliable sources are discussed at this link). Gematria and other numerology is considered fringe, and not accepted as a neutral or reliable view on this site. Misplaced Pages does not care about your "enlightenment," or whatever fantasies you have about Jews, Freemasons, or Rosicrucians. Ian.thomson (talk) 16:04, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Ian(24) Thomson(74), your fantasy of overseeing Misplaced Pages is just that. I AM just as BIG a part of this commnity as you think you are and have, in fact, been editing its articles much longer than you have. The difference between(74) you and I are striking! I AM a contributer and you are a deleter. You are WRONG about so many things, i.e. gematria is NOT numerology, although numerologists can use it. They can also use your low IQ number, but that doesn't make your low IQ numerology either. You've 'crossed the line' with me now numerous times and your judgment will be placed on http://7seals.yuku.com . - Brad Watson, Miami (talk) 16:32, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

What part of "no personal attacks" don't you get? While age doesn't matter here, you've been editing since this year, I've been editing since 2006. And as I said, age here doesn't matter, but being able to edit within site policies and guidelines (like WP:RS, WP:NPOV, WP:FRINGE, WP:NPA, all of which you have demonstrated severe problems with). You are contributing fringe materials against the guidelines, I am making sure the articles stay within the guidelines and policies while also contributing (as can be seen at the Debtera article, which, except for two minor edits, was worked on by me). Ian.thomson (talk) 16:45, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

"calah"

In calah, cited as a possible etymon, what letter does the 'c' represent? —Tamfang (talk) 01:07, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

According to the citation from the Book of Job in the referenced article, it is samekh. I will add this info in. Vilĉjo (talk) 10:37, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

E.W. Bullinger regarding "Selah"

The article about E.W. Bullinger on Selah is incorrect. I have the complete library of Bullinger and nowhere does it speak of such confusion. One can read of this in the Companion Bible Appendix 66 II, The Works of Bullinger. Bbwjenkins (talk) 15:45, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Urbandictionary?

Is Urban dictionary really considered a source? (footnote 6) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.73.83.113 (talk) 14:29, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Selah is found 74x in the Bible

We should always strive to be as accurate as possible. Therefore... Selah (Hebrew: סֶלָה‎, also transliterated as selāh) is a word used 74 times in the Hebrew Bible - 71 times in the Psalms and 3 times in Habakkuh - and is a difficult concept to translate. - Brad Watson, Miami (talk) 16:41, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

'Book of Habakkuh' should have its own article

Apparently, there is no article on Habakkuh. How do we create one? - Brad Watson, Miami (talk) 16:43, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

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