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Ideas and Actions in the Green Movement http://books.google.com.au/books?id=4zJcjo9fofsC&pg=PA82&lpg=PA82&dq=australian+greens+left-wing&source=bl&ots=F9dNFD_Ouj&sig=9lHoKPnVudRDGy9S0rJgSjpRDhc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=prFCUNKeE42XiQf4mIHQDQ&ved=0CGMQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=australian%20greens%20left-wing&f=false Ideas and Actions in the Green Movement http://books.google.com.au/books?id=4zJcjo9fofsC&pg=PA82&lpg=PA82&dq=australian+greens+left-wing&source=bl&ots=F9dNFD_Ouj&sig=9lHoKPnVudRDGy9S0rJgSjpRDhc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=prFCUNKeE42XiQf4mIHQDQ&ved=0CGMQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=australian%20greens%20left-wing&f=false
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And here is a Greens magazine where the Greens are described as 'clearly left-wing' http://wa.greens.org.au/system/files/private/GI%20webaugust2012.pdf ] (]) 04:11, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

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New user help

I just created an account and started an article on a non profit organization. Still interested in 'adopting'? I could use all the help I can get.

--Artemislon (talk) 06:36, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Bilby. I created a draft article in my user page. Once I'm ready, is there a way for me to send it to you for review before submission? I'm still a bit confused about how the whole process works. --Artemislon (talk) 04:14, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

information systems?

came over here to say I answered you, in case you didn't watch list the page. Not sure if that is automatic. But given what you do perhaps you could cast an eye over:

Stop_Online_Piracy_Act#Bill_mandates_at_odds_with_internet_structure

which tries to explain why mandating a national access control list will not allow federal agents to "just remove the offending page of a website." Since that's a mindbogglingly ridiculous idea, no RS has refuted it yet, but there seem to be lots of wikipedia articles to link to. That section is done (I think). I could also really use help with some other sections, if you have the time or expertise or know someone who does.

  • DNSSEC
  • an explanation of why it is bad to have conflicting entries in recursive servers
I know propagation happens but don't know the specifics of how this gets resolved. I guess I'll go look at the Crocker-Vixie paper again.
  • need RS for 4chan and Anonymous opposition
  • international community on US control of internet. I wrote something up about ICANN,IANA, Verisign and the US Dept of Commerce, which apparently did not explain the issue very well, since it got deleted. But if it's already a problem that the United States controls the root server and .com etc, surely using that control to enforce US cpyright is not going to make US control seem like a better idea to the likes of India.

all these need to be really brief tho, which is hard, because the are complicated. But a review of the "at odds with structure of the internet" section would be a great start.

And now you know what bit of silliness *I* am fighting. 75.149.44.10 (talk) 04:39, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

the above post by me, sorry Elinruby (talk) 00:26, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
That looks like a really interesting problem. And a difficult one. I've watchlisted the page, and I'll do some reading to catch up on the issues - I was aware of the Act, but need to look into it some more to get a better picture of the issues. - Bilby (talk) 03:09, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

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'Inappropriate'

I hope you are having the same conversation with User:WLRoss about the "inappropriate" tagging of other editors' comments? Are you having that discussion, and reverting his edit as well? Liangshan Yi (talk) 16:04, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

I've never liked the SPA tags, and typically only see value in them during AfDs. In an open discussion they don't work for me. That said, they are established as a means of identifying people, and seem to be accepted practice. Thus there's nothing I can do there. I can only hope that other editors recognise that having a narrow focus isn't indicative of a problem. - Bilby (talk) 10:57, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

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Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. This is in regards to P&Ws ongoing personal attacks. Cheers. Wayne (talk) 17:31, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

FYI I have just noticed that Phoenix and Winslow has accounts on the Spanish, German, Norwegian, Russian and Swedish Wikipedias that have made no edits outside of their respective Ugg Boot articles. I'm beginning to think there is some corporate connection. Wayne (talk) 04:49, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
I had seen the German and Spanish versions - the latter of which makes me think that there is a real problem here. You may be right about a COI, but they're particularly hard to determine. - Bilby (talk) 09:06, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

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Please sign your checks in this CCI (like the others) so that others are able to see who is behind them. Thanks. MER-C 10:39, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Sorry - I should have remembered that. Shall do. - Bilby (talk) 10:43, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. MER-C 11:59, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

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NPOV and Civility

Hey there. I'm a little distressed over the lack of civility and productivity going on with NPOV page. I thought Ugg boots looked pretty cleaned up a few months ago with two equally valuable perspectives given their fair share. I'm asking you to consider each one on their own individual merit. I think there's been too much emotion and shouting going on recently and I'd like to steer this in a more productive direction.--Factchk (talk) 20:45, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

I certainly won't object to being civil or considering both sides - I've been doing so, but this has always been a heated debate. Given that, I'm not sure why you raise this point here, but I guess that's your prerogative. - Bilby (talk) 23:19, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
I raised it there because it seemed like a good place to try and promote a compromise as things seemed to be more heated than usual. Thanks for the input. It was helpful. I hadn't noticed that the page already recognized the non-use which is good. Perhaps I'll re-post on the Talk page so others can see. I would be willing to support a disambiguation page or splitting off the trademark dispute. Its fair to question whether the number of issues clogs up the entry.--Factchk (talk) 02:50, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Pune pilot analysis plan

Hi! As you were very active in discussions about the India Education Program's Pune pilot, I wanted to draw your attention to Misplaced Pages:India_Education_Program/Analysis, a page that documents our analysis plan for the next few months. I encourage you to join the discussion if you have any thoughts. -- LiAnna Davis (WMF) (talk) 23:11, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for stepping in

Hi Bilby: As you can see, I was trying to straighten out the odd categorization that the anonymous 67.126.141.125 had been placing on all these sailors -- Robin Lee Graham;Tania Aebi; Jessica Watson; Jesse Martin; David Dicks; Michael Perham; Laura Dekker...It was late and I did not have the time to see it through. In particular, I forgot to change Jessica back to the youngest, after correctly pointing out that Laura Dekker had not yet finished her attempt. I agree 100% with your more accurate descriptions. Let's hope that the above user does not start another round of "silly walks"! --Skol fir (talk) 18:17, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

I found out that the anonymous user above is from the Los Angeles area. I wonder what his motives were to rank all these young sailors in order of when they became the youngest sailor. It seems kind of pointless to me, since only one of them currently is the youngest, and the order in which the others joined that rank seems irrelevant. It almost looks like some kind of test edit to me - pointless and clueless. Also, there were only two Americans on the list. He might have been trying to enhance their status because they were # 1 (1970) and # 2 (1987) in order of achieving that distinction! A bit of a selfish purpose for editing them all (and who knows, maybe a dislike for Jessica Watson who outwitted, outsmarted and outsailed poor Abby!) Who knows "what evil lurks in the minds of men!" lol --Skol fir (talk) 18:35, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
Hi! You could be right about the reasons - the user has a very narrow set of interests, and seems to have a focus on US circumnavigators of various types. :) In regard to the descriptions, the IP's additions were a bit ambiguous - and it occured to me that, technically speaking, Joshua Slockum held the "youngest circumnavigator" record at 54. :) Thus "fifth youngest" seems a bit odd in the way the IP meant. - Bilby (talk) 06:39, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

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Thanks!

Bilby, thanks for cleaning up after me in the Plimer article. I am a new user so figuring everything out will take some time. I understand my error with the australian scientists stub, but if there are any other mistakes I make please drop me a line so that I learn from them! I appreciate your patience --Shadowy Sorcerer (talk) 18:42, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

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For Cleaning up after the Newbies! Shadowy Sorcerer (talk) 18:45, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Edward Morgan (choreographer)

Hi Bilby, thanks for setting me straight on Edward Morgan (choreographer). The old copyvio page has now been deleted. Should I at once put up my new version, or should we wait until the AfD is closed? I've never seen an AfD on an already-deleted page before... and don't see any particular reason why what I'm about to create should go straight to AfD, for that matter! So maybe less confusing to wait, I guess? Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:39, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Please start the new article

Bilby,

You are a hero. Yust as I thought their was no one on wikipedia wanting to help you come along and save the day. I would love it if you could start the new article about the International Cadet Austrlain Championship. It would be realy great to have any sought of article and It would be great to keep as much of the infomation from my orignal article as possible. I would of course provide you with as many sourses as I could find (but not right now as I am going to bed). Yust a couple of things. I made it so many generic terms for these championsips find the article I created when searched for so these might have to go. Also I was wondering if it was possible, after the event gets started, to add results tables which were on my article but have been taken off.

I would love it if you could make this change (as I am new I don't know how to do it) then I would love to help edit.

Thank you so much, Tris.obrien (talk) 11:25, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

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Thank you so much for writing the article and saving all my hard work Tris.obrien (talk) 23:31, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

please undelete my article,i produced valid authenticated links,wikipedia is a pool of knowledge and it should not be made so complicated.BUT IF U COULD WRITE AN ARTICLE ABOUT AMITA BAJPAI I WOULD BE VERY HAPPY,AS U ARE MUCH MORE EXPERIENCED.(Cheekubaaj (talk) 12:04, 17 December 2011 (UTC))

A cookie for you!

Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my user talk page.
—Tom Morris (talk) 12:45, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Ugg boots at NPOVN

Hi! Just in case you didn't see it on WP:AN. theres a standing request for someone to close the discussion. My experience is that this can take a while, but I presume it will be handled some day. :) - Bilby (talk) 07:31, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Yes, I was well aware. I just don't think the close would happen while discussion continues there. Donama (talk) 01:37, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Adopt-a-user Program

Hello there! I've been doing some Gnome work around, generally maintenance of the New Pages and Recent Changes, but I'm looking for a more experienced user who'd be willing to "Adopt me" and help me work on researching topics and adding real content to pages. I'm wondering if you'd have the time to help me become a more productive member of the community, at least in regards to content?

It seems that you're doing pretty well as things stand. :) But I'm happy to help if wherever I can. - Bilby (talk) 13:39, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

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Please Adopt Me

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Hi, I'm a concordia student from montreal who needs help editing a Misplaced Pages page, it's my first time and I'm sure i'll need the help if you have the time! Thanks, (Steph kobe (talk) 19:17, 25 February 2012 (UTC))Steph Kobe

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The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
For your work in helping unbite a user who had concerns about his biography at Misplaced Pages, Thomas Edsall, you definately went above and beyond what most users do. I noticed your work on the help desk, and you definitely deserve this barnstar. Jayron32 15:44, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Well it appears Jayron got here first, but I wanted to say much the same thing. Bravo. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:30, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Thankyou. :) But given the work both of you do to help users, I feel I've done very little in comparison - although I appreciate it a great deal. - Bilby (talk) 15:27, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Uggs again lol

Found this interesting company history showing sales of Ugg boots under that name prior to Steadman and Smith. May be relevant to the article?
What is an Ugg Boot?
It's not absolutely clear where the term Ugg originated, however, we believe “Ugg Boot” is a generic term that first originated in Australia and was used to describe the style of Sheepskin Boots worn by surfers to keep their feet warm after spending hours in the sea. These surfers, travelling the world in search of the perfect wave, brought the Ugg boot to Newquay in Cornwall in about 1973. Ever since then, Ugg boots have been made in Newquay.
The Celtic Sheepskin Co. originated in Newquay in 1973 as ‘Hide & Feet’ - making Ugg Boots and assorted leather goods. Nick Whitworth and his wife Kath – who had worn Ugg boots for years - bought the business in August 1990 from a local builder. In 1991 Nick registered the term UGG as a UK trademark and for the next 6 years trading continued under the new name of ‘The Original Ugg Co.’ With ever increasing sales, the popularity of Ugg spread around the UK, so a decision was made to concentrate on selling via mail order catalogue and of course via the web.
In 1994 Brian Smith from the USA Company of Ugg Holdings contacted Nick and came over to Newquay to discuss the purchase of the rights to use the term UGG. Negotiations slowed whilst Ugg Holdings were taken over by Deckers Outdoor Corporation, but finally in 1996 an agreement was reached whereby Deckers Outdoor Corporation licensed the use of the UGG trademark, with an option to purchase at a later date.
In the meantime Nick in Newquay changed the company name from The Original Ugg Co. to The Celtic Sheepskin Co. and re-christened the distinctive range of boots from Ugg boots to ‘Celt boots’. Wayne (talk) 18:01, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

I think I may have stumbled across that as well, and didn't know what to do with it. :) It is an interesting account. I've got another account that puts ugg boots as being invented in Adelaide. I guess when the article is opened up, we may need to spend time trying to cover the different accounts in some way. - Bilby (talk) 12:11, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
I find it significant that despite the Whitworth's registering the term UGG as a UK trademark they still considered the name "Ugg boots" generic when refering to the style. The account also demolishes the claim that the name was only generic in Australia and New Zealand. Wayne (talk) 12:53, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Online Ambassador query

Greetings. I’m still somewhat confused about what goes where, so please excuse me if I don’t initially follow the right protocol. I’m writing to ask if you’d be a mentor for my course (the first in Arizona according to Tom Cloyd). I liked Reality Check’s page and hope that you can help me put together something similar. My course concerns children’s language development; it has 110 students and a teaching team of 11 (I’m the professor). If you agree to help me out, it’s important for you to know that from my perspective Misplaced Pages’s education arm has gone silent, so I have no CAs. Classes start next week, so I’m reducing this to a pilot (probably wise for other reasons too). I’ll use online materials to get a couple of my undergraduate preceptors into roughly CA-shape; one graduate student is interested in helping; and I myself am working to become more knowledgeable. But I’m impressively ignorant at this stage. I don’t even know how I’ll learn the answer to my question to you. – Cecile McKee or Cecilemckee (talk) 16:31, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

I have no idea what I'm doing wrong. But my message appears when saved with false false false and not much else. Cecilemckee (talk) 16:32, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Bilby. I'll add you to my course page (although I haven't yet figured out many many aspects of editing that). Also, I don't think the false false business is my browser because it only happened to me on your Talk page. I used the same browser to contact two other potential online ambassadors and got a better result. Again, many thanks -- Cecilemckee (talk) 19:42, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Wikiproject Cooperation

I just recently started Wikiproject Cooperation and I thought you would be interested. Thanks for your time. Silverseren 01:16, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

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Revert

Hi Bilby! Just FYI, I undid this edit, where you reverted User:Makeemlighter, who was closing a featured picture candidate as is appropriate. I assume this was a mistake? Jujutacular  22:27, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Thankyou! Sorry - I never even saw a page saying that I made a revert. I must have accidentally clicked on something and then move on to the correct page without noticing. - Bilby (talk) 22:30, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

For helping to improve articles about Canberra Capitals players. :D

LauraHale (talk) 07:59, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

If you think any of the Capitals players would be worth taking to Good Article with out huge amounts of work, let me know. :) --LauraHale (talk) 22:05, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Shall do. Some look like they are certainly heading in the right direction, but I'm not sure if the sources are out there to get the overall coverage needed. One or two good, long interviews may be enough for that, though. - Bilby (talk) 22:27, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
Some of them just do not have the sources. : / Michaela Dalgleish seems like one of the potentially easier ones as she retired from basketball, but not my first choice of who I would like :) Marianna Tolo is probably one of the easier ones as I haven't really looked for sources for her. The article was mostly built as I found information about her looking for others. (The Xena thing? She appeared either on the front or back page of the Canberra Times with that image. I distinctly remember it, and it is why she is one of my favourite players.) If you want help creating articles about the Lightning, let me know. :) The Adelaide team is quite good. :)

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Have some respect

I should not have to come and tell you about bite and expert retention. Have some respect for FlashingYoshi's intricate work. Misplaced Pages needs programmers, whilst I can see the future perfectly well, and know his work will be removed, I will not put up with him being shown such disrespect. Use the talkpage section that has already been written for this very purpose. Penyulap talk 19:56, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, but I am afraid that I have no idea what you're talking about. Who is FlashingYoshi? - Bilby (talk) 21:15, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Warning

Don't remove my comments from the talkpage without my permission. Penyulap talk 05:24, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

That comment is extremely inappropriate and a potential BLP violation. Removing it quietly is the best way forward. - Bilby (talk) 05:26, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
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Language Development

Hello!

I wanted to introduce myself. I'm the CA for the Language Development course that you're working on as Online Ambassador. I just got back from training at the Wikimedia Foundation but because of communication issues was added on a little late. Anyways, I'm pretty new to Misplaced Pages and am grateful to have you and User:Cullen328 working on this too. I just met with User:cecilemckee and she wanted to make sure that the three of us stay away from content but focus on copyright issues, citations, formatting and other Misplaced Pages values. Luckily, the other CA's have taken the course before and will be working on content and course requirements. Thanks! Semccraw (talk)Semccraw —Preceding undated comment added 03:15, 23 January 2012 (UTC).

  • Thanks, Bilby. My concern is that students may interpret your suggestions for more reading as assignments. I've already given them assignments, and I don't want anyone confused about what my course requires. Best, Cecilemckee (talk) 18:26, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

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gang rape

yeah i didn't know how, and there is unlikely to be a 2010 or 2013 gang rape of this magnitude IMO not that richmond has any lack of rapes. do i need to take an action or have you made the change?LuciferWildCat (talk) 01:18, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

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Ugg page

As the page is locked I have set it up in my sandbox and made test changes per talk to see how it looks. I have also rewritten the history a bit. The page should not be seen as a replacement but one we can do test edits on. Feel free to have a look, make changes if you like and/or comment on the sandbox talk page. I have posted this message on several editors talk pages. Despite P&W's usual claims in this regard, we have a consensus for the edits per talk page so if we (editors who have shown they can work together and compromise if needed) can agree on how the article page reads it may avoid the inevitable long winded discussions in Talk once the page is unlocked. Wayne (talk) 22:38, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks. If I get the chance I'll have a look. :) - Bilby (talk) 07:23, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

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Rollback

Hi Bilby, may I inquire as to why you reverted this edit using rollback? Salvio 22:20, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi! Thanks for letting me know - it seems I hit revert while closing the window on the iPad. I've fixed it now, I think - a tad longer than I would have wished, due to intervening edits, but it should be back the way it was meant to be. (I also just noticed that I accidentally logged out as well. Oh well. So much for touch screens). - Bilby (talk) 22:50, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
Don't worry, I'm an expert when it comes to hitting rollback by mistake. Do you want me to revdel your IP? Salvio 22:52, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
No need for revdel - it changes every day, and I don't hide who I am. :) Thanks again for letting me know about my stuff up, though. - Bilby (talk) 23:06, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

CCI review

Looks like we were reviewing Bruneau – Jarbidge Rivers Wilderness at the same time. I'm not absolutely sure that removal is necessary. The source was a page associated with Public Lands, which is associated with the Department of the Interior, which is the Federal government. If it is a Fed work product, then we need a pd template. However, as it is the work product of Public Lands Interpretive Association, I'm not sure of the status. If you are, please fill me in, if not, I'll check further.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 16:11, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Sorry about the conflict, then. :) In this case, I went for removal because the page had a copyright tag for PLIA at http://www.publiclands.org/explore/site.php?id=7948, so I figured to err on the side of assuming that the content from that page fell under the copyright claim. If they've taken it from Public Lands, then they're not the original source, and I agree with you that it would not be copyrighted. I'm happy to defer to your judgement as to which way to go. :) On the plus side, only two sections to complete now, albeit big ones. I'll probably sleep and try to help out in the morning. - Bilby (talk) 16:17, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
I should add that I have that page marked for me to rewrite the section - where I'm not sure about the copyright of possibly public domain text, I tend to try and rewrite to sidestep the problem. If it wasn't 3am I'd be giving that a shot now. :) - Bilby (talk) 16:20, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
No need to be sorry; the CCI area is so underpopulated, that bumping into someone is a pleasure. Nice work.
To be honest, I missed the copyright notice. It is in light gray under the disclaimer and privacy notice links, which I checked to see if there was a copyright. In facty, when I went to the page you linked, my first reaction was, "I've checked this page!" But there it is. I think the original editor should be gently informed (Blue Canoe). Do you want to do it?
Given the copyright notice, your deletion was quite correct. Plus, I think it makes sense to err on the safe side, but I thought there was some chance the material was pd, so I wanted to see if you had looked into it. You had, so we are fine, except for reminding Blue Canoe not to copy paste. If it is 3am there, you may not even see this for some time, but let's agree on who should inform Blue Canoe at some time. I'll move on to a different CCI, there are plenty to choose from.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 16:36, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
I'm happy to chat with him. I'll leave a message today. The notice was almost impossible to see - I've been doing some work on dust removal in photos, so my screen is set on high contrast, so I guess that made it stand out more here. :) - Bilby (talk) 01:06, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi. I noticed this item because I have been looking at copying among the Owyhee Canyonlands Wilderness Areas articles. Have you been able to find an archived copy to rule out reverse copying? I tried to use the Internet Archive, but I didn't see any results for that page. The relevant window is less than a year from the Omnibus Public Land Management Act of 2009's original proposal in June 2008 and BlueCanoe's insertion in May 2009. Are these PumpkinSky edits (closing paraphrasing without noticing the duplication; removing the redundant paraphrased text, but leaving the exact copy) worth noting on the CCI? Flatscan (talk) 05:17, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi! The problem with the Wayback Machine is a cool one - I discovered yesterday that I have to give a lecture this semester on the problems of archiving dynamic sites, and this is perfect example. :) Anyway, I guess the main issue is that Blue Canoe added a reference to the material at the same time as it was added to the article, so there's good reason to believe that it was accidentally copied on the assumption that it would come under PD as a US Government work. Anyway, I've put that down as minor copyvio in CCI, because, I guess, technically the sentence added was copyvio, but at the same time it looks like an inadvertent mistake to me. I've always assumed that the CCI's are primarily about cleanup, rather than recording problems, though, so I'm very happy to defer to other opinions. :) - Bilby (talk) 14:03, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
The Bureau of Land Management .pdf that BlueCanoe cited is a simple map without background text, so I doubt that it was the source. Your approach is good – there's no point in being accusatory. You're also right on the last point, but the absence of recorded problems on this CCI is being used to argue that the user has zero outstanding issues. In any case, I should discuss my concerns with PumpkinSky directly. Flatscan (talk) 05:06, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
You are very right about the map - that was foolish of me. So yes, reverse copyvio is possible. I'm still more comfortable with removing and rewriting, as there are good reasons why a dynamic page wouldn't show up in the wayback machine, but I'm also happy to assume good faith as much as I possibly can. :) I'll make a note along those lines for BlueCanoe.
In regard to PumpkinSky, I was aware of the wider issues, but haven't really been following them. I guess I admire Moonriddengirl's approach of working with editors to help them understand how to avoid problems in the future enough that I'm less concerned with creating a record than with fixing problems and confirming that they're not going to reoccur. But then perhaps to do that you do need an idea of the extent of the problem, good or bad. :) - Bilby (talk) 05:31, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

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Thank you for reviewing in the Contributor copyright investigations/PumpkinSky, you did a lot to clarify! Paraphrasing (I hope not too closely): If everybody who read this looked at one more article it could be over today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:21, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

It is over, thanks again, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:40, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

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Hi Bilby

Hey, thanks for the help with the Colin Defries article. you know, sprucing up the language. Although the node module was a little bit of a surprise, thanks for catching it anyhow. Also, please do have a look and let me know if you see any problems with it, you seem to have an eye for these things. Or at least a very fast delete key, LOL. Penyulap talk 07:51, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Sorry for not getting to this earlier. I'll have a look again today and get back to you. - Bilby (talk) 22:51, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the thought

Thanks for the thought, I'm pretty sure I didn't break 3RR because the 1st one was reverting a sockpuppet which it says is allowed? I replied on my talk page there properly

(I'm still not sure if it's better to use talk bac or not, on the one hand people say it's better to have discussions in one place for long term keeping track of debates, but on the other hand there seems to be quite a lot of controversy/negative sentiment attached to {{talkback}} so I'm scared of using it lol)

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Someone named Fasttimes68 keeps getting into editing wars, now it seems with this former model's page. Her husband only "claims" to be a billionaire, it was never reported by a third party source that is actually is. I suggest this matter with this editing person be stopped. He seems to like arguing with other editors regarding models quite often on here. JohnJaySee (talk) 13:21, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

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Adopting?

I'm new here. UnderGODsHelp (talk) 20:14, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

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Paid editors

The whole point of WP:CO-OP falls apart if the ones who are NOT honest are not policed, otherwise PR has no motivation to do so, think about it. It's actually helping those who remain honest, because otherwise what have they got to gain by putting themselves under scrutiny when others are getting away with it whilst hiding their activities? --Mistress Selina Kyle 12:25, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Just nominate it again

Considering the response you got, I would just say nominate it for AfD again. Let the community decide once and for all if using the page for that purpose is okay or not. Silverseren 16:03, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

It seems to me that the community did decide at the last AfD - the page was fine so long as it only listed self-identified paid editors. The question now is whether or not the community has changed its mind, or whether or not the consensus at that AfD should be enforced. I'm inclined to give it some time for discussion to occur first, but listing User:LauraHale there seems to be a significant problem that may need to be addressed separately. - Bilby (talk) 16:28, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Re: Teahouse

Sorry, but I don't see my question or your reply! Was it removed? Thanks,Thepoodlechef (talk) 06:01, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

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Reed's Candy

It would be great if you'd try and fix the problem, rather than slapping speedy deletion tags all over the place. See over here we try to produce things, not tear them down, so little more effort of your part would be fantastic. Thanks Jetijonez (talk) 02:17, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately, when you create an article using copyrighted material, editing that article doesn't remove the violation, but instead creates a derivitive work, which continues to represent a significant licensing problem. So simply rewording the article only hides the problem, rather than removing it. - Bilby (talk) 13:45, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

I do see what you mean now and thank you for your assistance. I did not think that facts like birth dates and death dates were copyrightable but although I worked as a paralegal my work was certainly NOT in copyright law and I am retired now. I will attempt to educate myself, with your help on copyright guidelines here and copyright law in general.

I did do a lot of work on these articles and had some scholarly advice along the way as to content. I will be more vigilant in the art of re-phrasing and again I welcome you assistance in that regard.

I did have one question. If I removed Mayflower sources for certain facts which seemed to be copied from out of copyright sources, may I use keep the information without the Mayflower source, or should it still be also be rephrased? For instance, the "expeditions" are clearly described in the Myles Standish out of copyright source (1856) I believe, and also the Bradford diary source I have used is not in copyright source which is also verbatim in the Mayflower sources.

I hope I explained myself clearly. If not, I apologize but would like to know before I re-write some of this material, especially Philbrick and Mayflower sources.

I do however, wish to maintain my styling of referencing. Misplaced Pages allows it and it is used widespread over Misplaced Pages. I also think it looks neater if done correctly. Will strive to do that.

I will welcome the help you wish to give. Thankyou. Mugginsx (talk) 11:35, 11 April 2012 (UTC)


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Hello and thanks

Just wanted you to know that I am working as fast as I can to replace references with actual out of copyright journal of bradford, mentioned in almost every article for births and deaths.

Also am re-phrasing. Also I am watching how expertly you rephrase and trying to change some sentences. Must get the Philbrick book back from the library for some of the references. Will do that tomorrow morning.

I wanted to express my gratitude for all of the good advice and hard work you did to improve the article and to save it from copyright violations.

I will continue to work hard and please contact me if you find anything that needs immediate help and I will stop the work in random articles and go directly to the one that (needs) work.

Also left you a note on Talk:Edward Tilley page.

Thank you very, very much. Mugginsx (talk) 21:43, 12 April 2012 (UTC)


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Hi, was your intention with this edit to indicate that you are not reviewing Emotional prosody. If so please can you place the {{db-g6|rationale=accidental start of review}} template on the page and blank the review. Cheers. Jezhotwells (talk) 11:57, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Actually, strike that. I have looked at the article which is nowhere near ready for GA so i will conclude the review and quickfail myself. Jezhotwells (talk) 12:14, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
I had been reviewing the article, and was in the process of checking the sources. I'm disappointed that you took over in this manner. The revert was because it appeared than starting GAN reviews is now added by bot - I had planned to check that after the review was underway. I'm not sure of the best way forward at this point, but I feel that it is still necessary for me to continue going over the article. - Bilby (talk) 12:26, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
OK, revert my review if you like but the article is nowhere near ready for GA status at present. Jezhotwells (talk) 12:45, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
I had intended to fail the article, so I don't mind the review staying as it is. My concern was that there were very serious problems with the article, and a quick fail, while appropriate, would risk leaving them in place until a peer review (if one eventuates). Anyway, I'll finish going through the sources, as I need to check a couple more before I can work out the best way forward, one of which is unfortunately difficult to get access to. I'll take care of it. :) - Bilby (talk) 12:51, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

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City Cross Arcade

I noticed that you removed my A7 CSD tag from City Cross Arcade, just wanted to know the rationale behind your objection. Cheers, C(u)w(t)C(c) 13:07, 18 May 2012 (UTC).

Now that it is at AfD, I think it should be given the seven days - there is no reason to asusme taht there aren't sources available to show notability, so we need to allow some time in case they can be found. - Bilby (talk) 14:10, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

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Web Purify & Mike Kelly: edit war revenge?

Hi, I hope that this finds you well! Please, don't start an edit war re WebPurify and your edits to Mike Kelly (Australian politician). Your initial and repeated tagging of WebPurify seems to miss the sources, and seems hence in revenge for my tagging of your edits showing a potential POV conflict on Mike Kelly (Australian politician). Read the sources, and if you looked at this with a neutral view you'd see that it passes WP:NOTAB - I wouldn't have added it other wise. Rgds, --Trident13 (talk) 11:37, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

To be honest, I have no problem with your comments there - I have no particular POV in regard to Mike Kelly, but I also have no reason to be upset if someone raises a concern. In regard to WebPurity, though, I think there is an issue that needs to be worked through. It doesn't seem to meet the notability requirements, and I'm having trouble verifying the articles that would show that it does. Hopefully that will all be solved soon. I've asked for more information on the talk page, and I'm sure that will fix things. - Bilby (talk) 14:05, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

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Talk:Mental lexicon/GA1

It's been four weeks since you initiated this review, but there isn't any sign of activity on it at all, nor was there any initial commentary on the review itself. Are you planning to do this review soon? If not, I can put it back in the reviewing pool. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:38, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi! Sorry for the delay - after some copyvio problems recently, I wanted to check out all of the references, and a couple were hard to get. That's all done now, so I'll take care of it in the next day or so - I have some non-wiki marking to do, but this is more fun, so it will be a nice break. - Bilby (talk) 05:54, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

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Still need reviews for the Misplaced Pages Education Program research project

Hey, Bilby! If you have some time to review the quality of some articles, we're using the results for a really important research project that will help shape the future of the US/Canada Education Program. For a few projects, we're on a pretty tight timeline and are really eager to have many more of these articles reviewed over the next week. However, we think it's most useful to come from experienced Misplaced Pages editors.

I have gone through each class to prioritize for various projects, and everyone on the Education team at the Wikimedia Foundation would be extremely grateful if you could participate by reviewing a few articles ('pre' and 'post' versions). If we can rally a lot of editors to review one or two articles each day, we will be able to make the most use of this research for our tight timeline. As many of our Ambassadors have requested it, we are really eager to find out which classes have been successful according to the Wikipedian standard.

If you can spare some time, please check out these priority articles and give it a go. Even 1 or 2 a day would help immensely! JMathewson (WMF) (talk) 02:07, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

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Douchebag

If the behavior of douchebags is considered to be well-defined (a reading of the relevant article seems to say so), and there is strong evidence that a person of historical notoriety behaved in such a manner, where does the line get drawn between political incorrectness and simple fact reporting? I wonder if there is some compromise between WP:POINT and WP:IAR, since Thomas Edison is the most excellent example of a douchebag. JW || Talk 01:26, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks!

Thanks for your edit at INS Shakti (A57). Regards, Anir1uph (talk) 12:07, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Singer

Hi Bilby, I've left a note for you at Talk:Animal_rights#Singer_in_lead. Cheers, SlimVirgin 03:45, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

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Teahouse!

Hi Bilby. I hope you are doing well. I noticed you haven't been that active in the Teahouse for quite sometime. No problem, of course. I do hope things are going well for you in other areas of Misplaced Pages, and offline as well! I have taken the liberty of moving your profile to the host breakroom for the time being. Feel free to move it back to the main host page whenever you are ready to jump back in. See ya =) Sarah (talk) 17:26, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

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Talk:Mental lexicon/GA1

Still nothing. Ready to close it? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:16, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes. I was thinking of doing that over the weekend, but I'll take care of it now. - Bilby (talk) 14:17, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK review assistance

If you get the chance, can you help review any of the following? They are my outstanding DYK nominations.


Thanks. --LauraHale (talk) 10:29, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

COI+ certification proposal

I've thought of an idea that might break our current logjam with paid editing. I'd love your sincere feedback and opinion.

Feel free to circulate this to anyone you think should know about it, but please recognize that it hasn't agreed upon by either PR organizations or WikiProjects or the wider community. It's also just a draft, so any/many changes can still be made. Thanks and cheers, Ocaasi EdwardsBot (talk) 15:00, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

TOFOP Teahouse help

Hey Bilby, thanks for your fantastic help with the references! Do you think it's ok to submit now? It's got references from 3 mainstream media publications, and I've got 5 more articles saved on my computer at home, from lesser-known online magazines etc. Also, can you tell me how to reply to your answer on the Teahouse forum? Or is it not possible for me? I wanted to write this there, but I couldn't workout how to! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tiggyspawn93 (talk • contribs) 09:28, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Infoboxes

Well i had in mind one about NapoleonNapoleonicTrooper412 (talk) 12:21, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

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The Tea Leaf - Issue Five

Stop by for a tasty glass of wiki-iced tea at the Teahouse, today!

Hi! Welcome to the fifth edition of The Tea Leaf, the official newsletter of the Teahouse!

  • Guest activity increased in July. Questions are up from an average of 36 per week in June to 43 per week in July, and guest profile creation has also increased. This is likely a result of the automatic invite experiments we started near the end of month, which seeks to lessen the burden on hosts and other volunteer who manually invite editors. During the last week of July, questions doubled in the Teahouse! (But don't let that deter you from inviting editors to the Teahouse, please, there are still lots of new editors who haven't found Teahouse yet.)
  • More Teahouse hosts than ever. We had 12 new hosts sign up to participate at the Teahouse! We now have 35 hosts volunteering at the Teahouse. Feel free to stop by and see them all here.
  • Phase two update: Host sprint. In August, the Teahouse team plans to improve the host experience by developing a simpler new-host creation process, a better way of surfacing active hosts, and a host lounge renovation. Take a look at the plan and weigh in here.
  • New Teahouse guest barnstar is awarded to first recipient: Charlie Inks. Using the Teahouse barnstar designed by Heatherawalls, hosts hajatvrc and Ryan Vesey created the new Teahouse Guest Barnstar. The first recipient is Charlie Inks, for her boldness in asking questions at the Teahouse. Check out the award in action here.
  • Teahouse was a hot topic at Wikimania! The Teahouse was a hot topic at Wikimania this past month, where editor retention and interface design was heavily discussed. Sarah and Jonathan presented the Teahouse during the Wikimedia Fellowships panel. Slides can be viewed here. A lunch was also held at Wikimania for Teahouse hosts.

As always, thanks for supporting the Teahouse project! Stop by and visit us today!

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COI/N

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Fall 2012 Online Ambassador Program

Hi, Bilby!

If you're still planning to work with a class in the US and Canada Education Program this Fall, please add your name to this census. Once the new class list is available, I will notify you guys so you can sign up for a class (or two) that interests you. I hope you're still interested in supporting these students for the coming term. Thanks! JMathewson (WMF) (talk) 20:48, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

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A cup of tea for you!

I loved your gender gap interview on Radio National this week - that was such a great explanation of the Teahouse :-) Siko (talk) 23:04, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
Thankyou. :) The teahouse is one of the best projects for editor retention that I've seen on WP. - Bilby (talk) 01:17, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

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Greg Banaszak, Questions about flags put on article

Hi Bilby. Got a few questions about your Wikidragoning of an article I recently worked on - Greg Banaszak. >"A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject". Nope, the only things I share with this subject are a proud Polish heritage and a receding hairline. >"This biographical article needs additional citations for verification". I noticed the "citation needed" tag you added. The ARS doesn't publish its list of members but does confirm membership inquiries. >"This article relies on references to primary sources or sources affiliated with the subject". Is this in regards to the endorsement links that were posted? Each one has a list of notable endorseres on their sites.

Anyway, no major guff here. Just deferring to your experience on Misplaced Pages and wanted to know what you recommend needs to be done to remove the flags you've added to the article. Thanks.

Jmasiulewicz (talk) 17:59, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi! I've replied to the sourcing issues on the talk page, as it would be cool if we could get some help fixing that, and I'll try and dig up some sources to add. In regard to the COI issue, the problem was that you were paid to edit the article and provided with copy to add. The former isn't necessarily a problem, although the guideline recommends acknowledging the COI when editing, and you might want to see if you can get some general assistance through Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Cooperation. The main problem is working off copy provided by the client, as that would tend to bias the article. I doubt it is a big deal here, but I'm generally worried about articles with content written by the subject. - Bilby (talk) 01:22, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick response. As with much of the writing I do on this site I was given raw data and source leads but the researching and eventual construction of the entire article is all me. As for the COI, I can't understand how the Wiki demigods can automatically assume that I have some connection to the subject (I don't even like classical music!). I'm a good researcher and a good writer - how that translates into COI I don't know.

In regards to the subject's affiliaton with the ARS, I have on file a copy of the actual letter of acceptance to the ARS, but wasn't sure if I should (and/or how I should) upload it onto the page. Jmasiulewicz (talk) 14:22, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Just to clarify, there was no automatic assumption of a COI. But if you do choose to do such work, you may wish to look at current best practices. It isn't against policy to do so, but it might be more effective to be open about where a COI exists. That said, it is up to you how you choose to approach such situations and how open you choose to be if you do. - Bilby (talk) 15:04, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

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CSD G10

Please read WP:CSD#G10 before you prod articles with it :-) --Surturz (talk) 13:08, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

I did. The article comes across as a serious BLP violation, and there is no earlier version to revert to where that doesn't occur. - Bilby (talk) 13:12, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
PRODSpeedy has also been contested at the talkpage by Freebird15. Please remove the PRODCSD and relist at AfD (if you must). --Surturz (talk) 13:25, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Emu War

I have no interest in getting in an edit war. However, I feel that the purpose of any medium trying to inform is to present the information in a manner that is most applicable to it. I feel that the military conflict infobox, while perhaps lacking a bit in terminology, is most appropriate for what the article is saying, especially given the information. Would it be possible to create an infobox that removes terminology such as "belligerents" for something more appropriate for the topic, such as "participants" or "parties"? I would think that parties would work quite well in this situation.

I wrote some about this on Talk:Emu_War#Infobox. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LusitsBotnet (talk • contribs) 04:07, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/K-R.O.K

Hi, since you have edited the article in question, I wanted to let you know about this discussion. Logical Cowboy (talk) 18:22, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Dwarf

Good to see you around - thanks for your helping hand on the dwarf article. :) BOZ (talk) 23:16, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

It's good to work on D&D topics again. :) I'm still digging, but I think that one will be ok with all the work everyone put into it. I'll see what I can do to help on some of the others - I finally have a quiet semster. - Bilby (talk) 23:20, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
Great, that's good to hear - it has been a while, LOL. There's a dwarf-related article up for AFD that could also use your help. BOZ (talk) 23:23, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Hey, thanks again for working on D&D articles, such as the basilisk. A huge chunk of them were redirected in the last few days (and months), and whatever you can help on would be appreciated. Many of them, you might not find anything for, but quite a few are worth looking for. I’m going to recommend the classics to focus on:

Aboleth, ankheg, chimera, dryad, griffon, harpy, lamia, nymph, and sphinx

Also, I bet with some searching, sources will turn up for Abyss and Iuz.

Not so much in the way of classics, but still probably worth checking into are: azer, bodak, brownie, demilich, deva, dracolich, and duergar

And if you get through those and feel like tackling some more... believe me, I can get you a list.  ;) If you don't have that kind of time, LOL, I can understand that – it's just that there were dozens of articles redirected, and the above is merely a sampling... BOZ (talk) 19:55, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

AWU scandal

Thanks for your recent work on AWU scandal. I think having a variety of opinions among editors improves balance and broadens the coverage in WT:AUSPOL articles. Your efforts have definitely improved the article. --Surturz (talk) 14:05, 28 August 2012 (UTC) P.S. Maaaaate... you play D&D too? You're definitely in my good books now. :-) --Surturz (talk) 14:09, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

I haven't played D&D for a long time, but I started playing back with the basic rule set - I can still pretty much remember everything in Keep on the Borderlands. It's probably time to get my children into it, and keep the tradition going.:) In regard to the article, I've always loved what we can produce as collaborative works - it is invariably much better than what any of us could do on our own. Once again, it has been great working with different people on the article. - Bilby (talk) 22:33, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Re: COI suspicions

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Thanks for the Barnstar

Many thanks for the Barnstar Bilby. I was a bit surprised there were no articles about either of the Gretels. I'm not a yachtie but have fond memories of following Gretel II's progress when I was a kid. Later I might have a go at starting an article on the first Gretel, although I'm too 'young' to remember her 1962 challenge. Cheers, --Marcusaurelius161 (talk) 09:59, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

D&D books

Hi Bilby!

I think I know what you can work on, if you have time to contribute to D&D articles.  :) I believe we talked about this some time ago. On Red Hand of Doom, you contributed some good sourcing that I don't think anyone else had access to. Our first edition AD&D book articles are decently well-sourced; I guess back in the day, other companies were all too happy to write about TSR's newest releases, so that combined with an enduring nostalgia for the good old days leaves us well-covered for most books released in the first ten years of D&D or so. Our second edition book articles are somewhat sourced, because although reviews and such had been tapering off, there was still quite a bit being written about D&D; the challenge is, while we know that a lot of books had reviews, we have yet to actually track them down and add them. Now, our third edition book articles are in a really sad state – many of them are completely unreferenced, and for most of them we don't know if any independent sources exist at all. If you can see what you could to do fix that, I think it would help a lot. Red Hand of Doom is a very rare example of an article about a third edition book that is in great shape; most of them are not anywhere near that level of quality. Can you see what you can do to help out? Thanks in advance.  :) BOZ (talk) 15:33, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

If you're interested, I could come up with some ideas on what needs sourcing the most. Let me know. :) BOZ (talk) 23:08, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
I'm happy to try. I've been digging around on the monsters, and have some sources for a couple of them, but generally they'll be difficult. Books might have more sources if we can dig enough. - Bilby (talk) 23:39, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Cool - finish up with the monsters first and we'll come back to this. :) BOZ (talk) 23:59, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

D&D monster list

If you are concerned about preserving information on D&D monsters, you may be interested in joining the discussion at Talk:List of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 1st edition monsters. BOZ (talk) 21:22, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Australian Greens

Hi bilby, the sources I have linked to describe the party as 'left-wing'. One such example is Encyclopedia of World Constititions Page 54 http://books.google.com.au/books?id=M3A-xgf1yM4C&pg=PR23&lpg=PR23&dq=encyclopedia+of+world+constitutions&source=bl&ots=YdnwQpZEuo&sig=nziEolioj7GZIhu_oiEwdpN3mJs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=e7FCUL2BCYyZiAeBlYHoCg&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=encyclopedia%20of%20world%20constitutions&f=false Are you seriously suggesting we create a new rule for the Greens and ignore countless sources and the precedent with other Greens Parties being described as 'left-wing'? The precedent including other worldwide Green parties including Green Party of England and Wales, Green Party of the United States, Scottish Greens, Wales Green Party and Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand. Whether we like it or not, these parties are all defined as 'Left-wing', most without sources. Another thing, party policies I have listed in the discussion broadly fit into Left-wing politics wiki article: '...generally support social change to create a more egalitarian society. They usually involve a concern for those in society who are disadvantaged relative to others and an assumption that there are unjustified inequalities'

What about The consensus behind infoboxes at this time, and universal use including with Australian parties? Why a new rule for one party? Welshboyau11 (talk) 03:10, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

I guess what I'm saying is that the papers I've read so far all either qualify the use of left wing, or specifically differentiate Australian Greens fromm traditional left wing politics. This doesn't mean that there aren't left wing in a traditional economic sense - just that it is a complex issue, and the sources seem to be divided. - Bilby (talk) 03:13, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
The article Left-wing politics mentions Green politics as being part of left-wing politics. Welshboyau11 (talk) 03:15, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
That's great, and maybe it is right. I'm happy if consensus is to add left wing to the infobox. My problem is that I've started reading various papers discussing the stance of the Australian Greens, and the discussion is complex. Part of the issue is the postmodernism/postmaterialism side of things - I'm never sure how much credibility to give that stance, but it seems that if you add that as a separate dimension, you get a more complex spectrum with the Australian Greens going in a different direction to left wing politics, but even without that some people try to differentiate the Australian Greens from the traditional distinction. Anyway, I'll keep reading - it may be that I'll end up agreeing that left wing is the correct term. - Bilby (talk) 03:20, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi and thanks for your open mind. Here are some academic and other works that may interest you:

Encyclopedia of World Constititions Page 54 http://books.google.com.au/books?id=M3A-xgf1yM4C&pg=PR23&lpg=PR23&dq=encyclopedia+of+world+constitutions&source=bl&ots=YdnwQpZEuo&sig=nziEolioj7GZIhu_oiEwdpN3mJs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=e7FCUL2BCYyZiAeBlYHoCg&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=encyclopedia%20of%20world%20constitutions&f=false

Left Turn by Antony Loewenstein http://books.google.com.au/books?id=M3A-xgf1yM4C&pg=PR23&lpg=PR23&dq=encyclopedia+of+world+constitutions&source=bl&ots=YdnwQpZEuo&sig=nziEolioj7GZIhu_oiEwdpN3mJs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=e7FCUL2BCYyZiAeBlYHoCg&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=encyclopedia%20of%20world%20constitutions&f=false

Endame for the West in Afghanistan study http://books.google.com.au/books?id=YZCpm7n4JoIC&pg=PT24&lpg=PT24&dq=australian+greens+left-wing&source=bl&ots=yVzH-p--S4&sig=iYYk2CRmwGpXO-noLdbvkY0eMVw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=prFCUNKeE42XiQf4mIHQDQ&ved=0CEwQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=australian%20greens%20left-wing&f=false

The Death of Social Democracy by Ashley Lavelle http://books.google.com.au/books/about/The_Death_of_Social_Democracy.html?id=e-V-2PYJWVkC&redir_esc=y

Ideas and Actions in the Green Movement http://books.google.com.au/books?id=4zJcjo9fofsC&pg=PA82&lpg=PA82&dq=australian+greens+left-wing&source=bl&ots=F9dNFD_Ouj&sig=9lHoKPnVudRDGy9S0rJgSjpRDhc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=prFCUNKeE42XiQf4mIHQDQ&ved=0CGMQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=australian%20greens%20left-wing&f=false Welshboyau11 (talk) 03:26, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

And here is a Greens magazine where the Greens are described as 'clearly left-wing' http://wa.greens.org.au/system/files/private/GI%20webaugust2012.pdf Welshboyau11 (talk) 04:11, 2 September 2012 (UTC)