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== September 2012 ==
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Please source your additions, otherwise it comes out as OR/Synthesis. Also verification is needed, such as an in the quote from the jpost. Ive removed it pending the sourceLihaas (talk) 01:45, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Thank you very much. As for editing Israel-related articles more often, I try to edit them whenever I can but a lot of them already have a lot of info in them. Keep in mind that I already did a lot of work on Israel-related topics, such as writing the Campaign section for the article Kadima leadership election, 2008 (I need to format the sources, but I'll do that later). Also, one more thing--how exactly do I get more closely connected to more Wikipedians? I want to meet other users but an unsure of the best approach to go about it. What would be your advice on this issue? Thanks again and have a good day. Futurist110 (talk) 01:28, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Damnit Beilin-Abu Mazen agreement still hasn't passed? Don't worry, we'll get it eventually.
As for meeting other Wikipedians... Look at a Wikiproject that you're a member of and some of the members there, maybe leave a note on their talk page or look at their user contributions and edit articles they're editing as well... Primarily for me, it's just from editing a wide range of articles that I interact with other people. Maybe someone will have better advice. --Activism123401:34, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
I responded to your comments on Lebergott. As for Beilin-Abu Mazen, I'll ask someone else to take a look at it. Thank you again. Futurist110 (talk) 04:36, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
I added a new hook to the Stanley Lebergott DYK? nomination. Also, I responded to your comments about Iran's nuclear program in the Humanities section of the Reference Desk. Futurist110 (talk) 03:15, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Activism, I've got yet another DYK? nomination that needs to be reviewed. If you have some extra time and won't mind, could you please take a brief look at it? Thank you.
AN/I is a definite contender sometimes for most hostile and unfriendly place on Misplaced Pages. I really wish there was a strong rule there that dictated civility, professionalism, and a focus on the issue at hand. I don't know what the answer is to fix that situation, but there sure seems to be a huge resistance to any sort of punishment for Andy. I agree that he is a definite asset when he is helping, but I don't know why he is given such a charmed life by some of those people. I'm a huge fan of mercy and compassion, but normally, asking for compassion at AN/I is like asking a shark for a kiss. Not a good idea if you want to keep your face in the right arrangement. Anyway, I appreciate seeing editors stick up for plain common sense and reason. -- Avanu (talk) 07:51, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
And just remember, you don't need to respond to everything someone writes, especially if that will just lead to more nonsense and incivility. Sometimes, it's better to just let it die down a bit. --Activism123415:47, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Also Egeymi, feel free to keep your vote, but these types of peace talks can take months and even years before we see any results (whether they succeed or not). I made the nomination because the fact that they're taking place - they're willing to create peace - to me was significant. (And box is red) Just wanted to clarify that. --Activism123417:59, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Okey dokey sounds good. We just desperately need to update something at ITN - it's been about 2 days, the box is red. C'mon, we can't be this lazy! Lol --Activism123419:33, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
OK, I got it know. I do not have enough info about some WP terms such as "(And box is red)", then make your explanations suitable for a naive editor:))Egeymi (talk) 19:52, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Ah sorry about that! Essentially, there's this box on the top of ITN, and it's red. When it's "red," it means we haven't updated ITN in a while, and we should really get our asses off the ground and get crackin! --Activism123419:54, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
I expanded the article significantly. The article can still be expanded with other material using the refs. Thanks. --Activism123400:23, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Oh my goodnes! I was just thinking the same thing, and clicked my watchlist to find that Misa bot thingy to find out how to archive my page. Do you know how I would do this? --Activism123420:01, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
I do it very primitively, using the template. But, I don't remember the page now. You may search for it, writing "how to archive":))Egeymi (talk) 20:11, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, it won't. I have brought you my template: {{Archive X – X-X}}. You shoud copy it and then, cut the content of talkpage and paste it into the archive template. I put X, you may name it.Egeymi (talk) 20:57, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, I'd like for it to be done automatically though as opposed to manually... I'll do some more research and then let you know. --Activism123421:14, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
You should be reported for white-washing the facts and calling it 'neutrality. The facts you wish to hide show that you yourself advocate and are complicit in the justification for child-rape.
Indicating ethnic origin as a major identificaton feature for every Israeli Jewish person, inside the first sentence of every preamble, contradicts the accepted values of this project. Barak Obama is not an African American president: first and foremost, he is an American president, whose African American origin should be discussed separately, as long as it is relevant to the article. Albert Einstein is not a German-Jewish scientist, he is a scientist, whose Jewish origin should be discussed in the article, but it would be an evident racially-instigated pov-pushing to indicate his "Jewishness" in the first sentence of the preamble. There is no reason to make an exception for the Israelis. Not to say that many of such edits create pleonastic absurdities, such as "an Israeli general in the Israel Defense Forces". If you wanted to clearly state that such a general is a Jew, you might as well decorate the article with some kind of a yellow patch template. And if you wanted to state that such a general is an Israeli (by his allegiance), try concidering whether there any Syrian or Tutsi generals in the Israel Defense Forces. -- Prokurator11 (talk) 08:09, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Not at all. Firstly, it's only a wikilink, while the actual text just says "Israeli." Secondly, it's factual. Thirdly, it's due to the fact that the category is Israeli Jews, so it makes sense to wikilink it. --Activism123415:00, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
As for the IDF example, it's based on the wording we use on all articles relating to people. Consider "X is an Israeli politician who serves in the 18th Knesset." If X is in the Knesset, it'd make sense that X is Israeli. But we write that anyway, A) To clear up any ambiguity B) Not everyone may know that C) That's the general formatting
It does not help. It's not "only" a wikilink: you cannot hide meaningful actions behind seemingly harmless "formalistic-general-formatting-factual" wordings, as, through your choice of action, the reader is intentionally referred to the article about an ethnicity and not to the article about the nation or the citizenship, while a person's ethnicity is not an issue for the first sentence of the preamble, unless one's ethnicity is the major feature making her or him notorious. If an ambiguity exists (and it clearly could never justify producing a comic pleonastic effect of writing about an Israeli person serving in the Israeli army), consider using a wikilink Israeli, and please leave the Jews alone. I suppose you did not mean to be insulting, but this yellow-patch diplomacy is highly degrading, highly non-encyclopedic and potentially destructive. Please refrain from it. -- Prokurator11 (talk) 19:37, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
It's a wikilink to an existing article placed where it's appropriate. We have similar articles for many races in many countries. But I'm not going to waste my time on someone falsely accusing me of racial bigotry against Jews (even typing it makes me laugh at how ridiculous that accusation is. It's truly absurd...)... Have a good day. --Activism123419:40, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Was I accusing you of anything? It was only a wikilink! Well, no harm meant, and if I've managed to make you laugh, the goal has been achieved. Today it is about you indicating "Israeliness" under every green tree with your good intentions, tomorrow it is about actual racial bigots using your formalistic argumentation for bringing a "paranoic anti-Jewish innuendoes" into any negative context. Been there. Good day to you too. -- Prokurator11 (talk) 19:57, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
I honestly don't see that happening as a result of my edits, but should it happen, that case would be radically different, and let me know, because I would by no means support that, and I highly doubt it would pass. --Activism123419:59, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
I agree with Activism1234. I think we should definitely mention in the lead of those articles that these personalities are part of the Israeli-Jewish community. That is an essential part of those personalities identity and their lives, and this factor has always had much more significance in the Israeli society than for example in the American society or the French society (for example, the fact that Dominique Strauss-Kahn belonged to the French-Jewish community has no significance and should not be mentioned in his lead). For the same reason we have chosen to do the same with the articles of personalities belonging to other ethnic groups in Israel (check out for yourself the articles that are included in the categories Category:Arab citizens of Israel, Category:Israeli Circassians, Category:Druze people of Israeli nationality and Category:Bedouin Israelis). TheCuriousGnome (talk) 23:32, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Moreover, I changed "has been challenged by Arash Norouzi" because the phrase means this has only been challenged by him. --Z16:24, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Saying it was challenged by "many" people is weasel wording to prove a point (see WP:POINT ). Current wording is best, just attributes those who challenge it. --Activism123416:28, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure it's there, as I remember there was a discussion a few weeks ago about whether it belonged or not. If it's not there, it's probably because the discussion said it doesn't belong for some reason. --Activism123416:31, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. Please from now on try not to revert whole of a valid edit because of one single word e.g. "many" in this case. --Z16:45, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
All right, it seemed like the rest was just spacing/info already there. Your past edits right now seem fine to me though. --Activism123416:50, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Source
If you are interested in some ministers of Egypt government, you may look at this. I believe that you will start many good articles. Egeymi (talk) 20:31, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
However, in the infobox, Zazou is given as serving in the cabinet of Kamal Ganzouri who was PM from Feb 2011 to 2 August 2012. It may be checked. Or the info in the box should be corrected. Because in the source I put above (the second) does not cite Zazou as Tourism Minister and also, the first one does not mention him as a minister in the Ganzouri cabinet.Egeymi (talk) 21:25, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
The Al Arabiya, Ahram, and Abou Alhool all refer to him as Minister of Tourism. I'll remove the part about Ganzouri. --Activism123421:29, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
I've just created Momtaz El-Saeed. Feel free to add any info I missed. Over the next few weeks, I'll embark on a project to create articles for every member of the Egyptian cabinet. Thanks. --Activism123422:39, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, I will if necessary. I can help you in your "project", if you want. Very good idea, since the articles about Egyptian ministers are mostly outdated. Cheers,Egeymi (talk) 07:25, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
That's great! Thanks for this info. Hopefully I'll complete each article on Egyptian cabinet ministers in a few weeks. I've already created the template Template:Cabinet Qandil - goal is to get rid of all those red links by October. --Activism123418:51, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
NAM Summit
Hi, I think you made a mistake about Ban Ki Mon's expressions. Yesterday was the ministerial meeting and Ban did not participate in it. What has been reported relates to the side event. Today, he may speak in the summit.--Seyyed(t-c) 02:13, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
The reference doesn't give indication about that. The passage that I put in doesn't mention a ministerial meeting either. It's just statement that the Secretary General made at the actual summit itself. --Activism123402:14, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Yes, the reference is not clear about that. The main Summit where he will speak there, has not start yet.--Seyyed(t-c) 02:18, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
When Ban Ki-Moon made his comments, the summit had already begun. It wasn't at a side event, like a private meeting, which I appropriately placed in side event. --Activism123402:21, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
He spoke during a press conference with Larijani, because the leader's summit has not started yet. He will speak there today.--Seyyed(t-c) 02:26, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Apparently, we have not the same meaning when we say "At the summit". I think just his speech at the summit can be named "at the summit". May be we can move it to the talk page. Then another editors judge about it.--Seyyed(t-c) 02:34, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Please pay attention to the article and my edition. I did not revert the same part. Those are completely different paragraph. Two of them relates to moving Ban's criticisms beside Larijani to the another section. While two others relates to Ban's meeting with Khamenei and . So as I understand I did not violate the rule.--Seyyed(t-c) 07:12, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
I am not a newcomer who do not know what is wikipedia or want to push his POV. Please refer to talk page and co-work to find a solution to write something which is clearly NPOV.--Seyyed(t-c) 07:26, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Due to the fact that the issue has repeated in the Opening speeches of the summit we should add it in the article. I added both sides quotations. However, feel free to improve, nut do not omit all of it because now a lot of sources cover the speeches.--Seyyed(t-c) 17:08, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
I changed mainly the grammar in both passages. Some of the stuff though was glaring NPOV issues. For example, writing that Ban Ki-Moon described Iran's attacks on Israel as "racist," but then saying that Iran condemned the Western world's equipping Israel with nuclear weapons, as though that's a fact, and not a conspiracy theory. So I tweaked it a bit to hopefully make it better and maintain NPOV. I also changed some wording just if it wasn't clear - for example, changing "this country" to whatever country X was referring to... --Activism123417:49, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
I think it's good now though. I don't know whether what Morsi said was actually controversial or whether only Syria viewed it that way, but isn't something I'm looking to get involved with. Anything else I should be aware of? Thanks. --Activism123417:51, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
I undid you vandalism/test reversion on Ridgecliff Middle School. In Canada any reference to Sir John A. means Sir John A. Mcdonald, and I doubt any school in any country would ever be named with just an initial. Since the previous sentence wikilinks to Sir John A. Macdonald High School it seems obvious that the edit from "Sir John A." to "Sir John A, Mcdonald" is neither vandalism not a test. Be careful with your reverts. Meters (talk) 17:12, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
I'm unclear what you mean by that, but I just left a note for you there concerning the source, and I appreciate the revert. If there are still questions, feel free to ask me on your talkpage. Thanks. --Activism123420:59, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
OK this is odd... You replied on your talkpage, you asked "where's the translation," I provied a translation, and then you removed it saying "dont fuck with my talkpage??" I was just providing a translation as you requested... This is very strange, and a bit offensive if I may add (I replied to a question, no need to start attacking me... Calm down a bit)... --Activism123421:03, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
?? Stop this. This is ridiculous. You asked a question. I replied. Don't accuse me of manipulating anything. That's offensive. Look at WP:AGF. Please explain what in the world you're referring to by "manipulation." Simply put - you asked a question, I responded politely. That's how talkpages often work... No, I don't know well what in the world you can possibly be meaning when you say I know "when & how to manipulate my talk page." Can you clarify this??? --Activism123421:06, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
If any talk page stalkers can explain how this edit is a "manipulation" of someone's talk page, and not simply an answer to a question, I'd appreciate it... --Activism123421:08, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
DePiep can be eccentric sometimes. He does a lot of work here, so tolerating some eccentricity is a fair trade. When he gets like this, it's best to ignore him. You've done nothing wrong. Hopefully this will draw some of the fire away from you. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:11, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
Yes I noticed his work with templates, which is why I was quite taken aback by this. All right thank you very much, I appreciate it. --Activism123421:12, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
I appreciate your offer and efforts to help Shrike out after all the drama. I think it might be helpful if you use some kind of standard edit summary when you do it on a talk page so that people who didn't follow the ANI thread will know why you're correcting another editor's talk page comments. Also then I won't have to look at the page every time it pops up on the watchlist! Just a thought.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 16:54, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
Good idea. Maybe a default summary "fixing minor grammar mistakes per agreement with Shrike" and marking the edit as minor would suffice? --Activism123416:55, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
Feel free to trout me. I clicked on Twinkle to give myself a warning about using edit summaries, but it said "giving yourself warnings can be seen as a sign of mental instability. Are you sure you want to continue?" I just clicked no... Lol --Activism123416:57, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
He was in the news a lot when I was young, hard to miss his gender. Will just assume you have a youth advantage on me. μηδείς (talk) 21:03, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
Never assume. There are a consortium of other possible reasons, just as likely, I can think of.
I made the comment while I was drunk.
I made the comment after staying up until 3 A.M. every night for two weeks.
I made the comment while I had a hand spasm.
I didn't make the comment at all - aliens hacked my computer and made the comment.
You do realize that the article as you have reverted it to is a copyright violation of Alpha Chi's website, correct? I was simply removing copyright infringing material which you have now added back. The user which copied the content into the article claims to have submitted an OTRS ticket. However, there has been no action on that ticket in more than 30 days. My interpretation of the situation is that the content cannot be in the article unless Alpha Chi provides permission and/or modified their website's copyright so that information can be used on Misplaced Pages. Do you see things differently? --TreyGeek (talk) 22:03, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
It didn't appear that way on STiki, so I apologize for any confusion. Feel free to revert me, I don't mind, but as a tidbit, instead of simply removing information, you should try to summarize or paraphrase it and reference it from the Alpha Chi site, with attribution ("The Alpha Chi website states..."). That's probably best. --Activism123422:05, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
I rollbacked my edit just now, but as I said before, it'd be best to simply summarize the info if no other sources can be found and attribute it properly. Not 10 passages, 1 or 2 should suffice with attribution. Thanks. --Activism123422:06, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
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