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:In case I forget the rule, I'm putting this here: ''on Misplaced Pages a lack of information is better than misleading or false information'' (]) ] (]) 16:17, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
:In case I forget the rule, I'm putting this here: ''on Misplaced Pages a lack of information is better than misleading or false information'' (]) ] (]) 16:17, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
== Please do not unilaterally move this article ==
The sources cited in the older version are not reputable academic sources, and the information contained in this article before the move was either completely inaccurate (when it referenced ancient Japanese literature) or fancruft that violated Misplaced Pages policies on undue weight. If you want to make a new wiki to promote a "new genre of fiction", there is software online that allows you to do that. But Misplaced Pages is supposed to be an encyclopedia based on proper scholarship. The material described in the previous article is '''not''' based on anything that was written in pre-modern Japan. The authors cited are all clearly ignorant of Japanese language and literature, as their writings routinely make bizarre claims about what was "standard" in ancient Japanese literature, and they misspell the names of well-known poets, etc.
I don't even mind leaving a minor reference to so-called "tanka prose" in this article, but it needs to be kept from overrunning the page with fancruft, and it needs to be worded tastefully and accurately. Misplaced Pages is not a place for original research, nor is it a place to post material that you found online somewhere but is not notable or worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia article.
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This article contains no references to respectable sources on Japanese literature. When I first saw the term "tanka prose" (of course on the disambiguation page that should have its name changed) I assumed it was some obscure translation of the term Uta Monogatari (歌物語). But the page doesn't mention the correct Japanese term once, and inaccurately groups the Tosa Diary in too. All of the sources seem to be non-academic in nature, and the authors are apparently non-notable professional poets (not Japanese scholars), and different online sources brought up by Googling their names indicated a general lack of knowledge about Japanese language and literary history ( spells Ariwara no Narihira's name as Narihara, and makes a bizarre, unsourced claim that he and Ono no Komachi used the phrase one thousand times).
Can we delete this page or rename it to Uta monogatari and include some small reference to this terminology and how inadequate it is?
elvenscout742 (talk) 13:55, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
I'm completely overhauling this article. The previous fancruft was completely wrong and poorly written. The sources cited were apparently all bogus, so I deleted them and replaced them with some nice Keene. If anyone wants to reinstate anything that I have removed, please discuss it here or on my Talk page. elvenscout742 (talk) 16:04, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
The sources cited in the older version are not reputable academic sources, and the information contained in this article before the move was either completely inaccurate (when it referenced ancient Japanese literature) or fancruft that violated Misplaced Pages policies on undue weight. If you want to make a new wiki to promote a "new genre of fiction", there is software online that allows you to do that. But Misplaced Pages is supposed to be an encyclopedia based on proper scholarship. The material described in the previous article is not based on anything that was written in pre-modern Japan. The authors cited are all clearly ignorant of Japanese language and literature, as their writings routinely make bizarre claims about what was "standard" in ancient Japanese literature, and they misspell the names of well-known poets, etc.
I don't even mind leaving a minor reference to so-called "tanka prose" in this article, but it needs to be kept from overrunning the page with fancruft, and it needs to be worded tastefully and accurately. Misplaced Pages is not a place for original research, nor is it a place to post material that you found online somewhere but is not notable or worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia article.
elvenscout742 (talk) 00:35, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
