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Translation from french Misplaced Pages

Hello,

Can you help me to initialize a translation of Encyclopedia Universalis Mundaneum (initial version on fr.wp)?

I do not understand how and where to make this request. Thank you! And sorry for my bad english... --M0tty (talk) 12:56, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure if you're supposed reply by editing, but I am. What do you need help with? If you go to dictionary.com you can translate with the translater. But you probably already know french. Lela Crosby (talk) 11:04, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Do spam fighters sleep?

I reported a spam-only account at WT: WikiProject Spam #Special:Contributions/Lorina21 four days ago. Nobody care there, and it is still spamming. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 08:54, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

• Report it at WP:AVI, it is fast and efficient. They require that a warning was issued prior to them though.--Ymblanter (talk) 09:06, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

people descriptions

It appears to me that if someone is Jewish or of Jewish decent it is always prominently displayed on their pages .... yet non-Jews have very little said about their religious beliefs ....

For example

Sam Walton ... no mention of religion Charles Koch ... no mention of religion

and

Michael Bloomberg ... 1st line ... its even a search category Larry Ellison .... 1st line .... even if he's non-practicing

can someone explain .... im sure there are thousands of examples — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.81.202.199 (talk) 13:04, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

It is more likely that the editors are calling out these people's ethnicity than their religion. Compare it against African-American or Latino biographies. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:32, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

How do I know when an article was full-protected in the past?

Does it appear in the article's history, or is there a separate log somewhere? --Anthonyhcole (talk) 14:41, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

There will be an entry in the history (like ) and also an entry in the protection log. T. Canens (talk) 16:19, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 21:21, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Mountain Dew article problem

The box listing "Mountain Dew Slurpee, Energy, and International Variations" on the Mountain Dew article seems to be wrongly present under the 'External Links' subheading, despite actually being placed in the 'Flavors and varieties' section of the page. As I know only relatively basic WikiCode, I have no idea why this problem is occurring and would be very grateful if a more experienced editor could help fix the issue. --SUFC Boy 14:55, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Fixed. Ruslik_Zero 17:01, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Creating a Misplaced Pages:Images page

Misplaced Pages:Images was a redirect to Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style/Images. I am now setting it up as a overview for anything relating the the huge part of the Misplaced Pages project that relates to images. My rationale for doing this is that every time I type in WP:IMAGES I expect to get something that is relates to images in general rather than merely a Manual of Style. Another editor has objected to my change of the page away from being a redir. Gratuitous advertising: Please help me with clearing the backlog at Category:Articles with missing files. 21:28, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

I think that's a good idea. --Jayron32 05:37, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

I was responsible for the movement of the page to being part of the MoS structure and thus the creation of the redirect. I object to the cration of this page in isolation, and I believe the same is happening at WP:Tables as well. Alan wants to pad such disambiguations in taxt, which will effectively create another page that desceribes tables. We have too many already, and by marshalling the redirect to achieve this it will plant the new page at the centre of the scheme because hundreds, possibly thousands, of current redirects that were destined for the information currently at the MOS will point othe new page. This makes it vital that the role of the new page sits comfortably within the overall structure because it will not have time to grow, but will be thrown in at the deep end.

So addressing that point, in the case of both images and tables we have a proliferation of pages. This is a major burden on new contributors, and can be confusing. Adding an extra page, with a different summary of the principals of the area involved will add to the bureaucratic burden. Many of these pages – there are at least a dozen in the case of images – started off as summaries of existing informatin but now are merely extra to other pages, containing new information, recieiving different incoming links and posing a significant challenge to the new user.

This is clearly visible in the current version of WP:Images, which has no particular focus. It does not appear to replace any existing page, but merely describe some of the issues in an extra way. The status section I think is new and doesn't appear to be aimed at, say, new users. The page is clearly aiming to have fingers in a lot of pies, which is I think does contribute to its aim of being a hub. However it couldn't possibly do any of them justice – so, for example, we have a single line about NOTCENSORED. This means that the user aiming to know how to view, use, or upload an image will need to consult further media. The potential for assisting the reader or editor is very limited, whilst the bureaucratic cost could be high. The very list presented at WP:IMAGES gives an idea of how the bureacracy can spread with the best of intentions and it is necessary sometimes to think critically about that worry. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 14:44, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

There are a number of points that you make and I will try and address them in order:

1. You are concerned about having too many pages on the project areas of images and tables. I don't see this as a valid argument. The pages in question were redirects and I simply changing that into a page with information that is of better use. I would imagine that the the vast majority of editors who type in the four shortcuts to the page in question would want to see a broad description of image related project information. The redir to the image MOS would only be of interest to a smaller portion and they are catered for by the hatnote. There was some commentary on the WikiEN-I discussion list indicating that experienced editors rarely visit the Manual of Styles.
2. The page is aimed at new and experienced editors and even at this stage in page development it is able to satisfy the needs of both groups.
3. Since images are a broad area for the project it is important to have an overview page - as we do in article namespace.
4. The single line about censorship of images is sufficient for an overview page.
5. The page at WP:IMAGES is not a list per se and it does not change the level of bureaucracy at all. The page is merely an overview or a portal for image related pages. Note the the category status table automatically updates the number of pages in the listed categories.
6. The fact that it is highly visible is not a problem, and if there are any incoming links that should go to the image MOS they can be corrected. I have inspected a number of these links and the page that I created is far more appropriate as a target than the image MOS. (I am trying to find how the page is linked to WikiProject banners but have not got to the bottom of it yet)

In summary, an overview page is of far greater use than a mere redirect to the image MOS. I hope the preceding comments allay your concerns. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 20:00, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

A large number of the incoming links appear to come from the good article review process and that link is entirely appropriate in going to WP:IMAGES. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 20:30, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Richard Dawkins and the issue of ownership of the article

It has been almost two months now since I have started the struggle with the crowd who are constantly blocking any type of antiphonal voice in Richard Dawkins article. I have studied/read/browsed near 20 books, journals and book reviews. I talked to WP:RSN and got their confirmation on the validity of many of them (The last of which can be found here). However, each time the users in the talk page revert my edits by saying "there is no wp:consensus". and this is while, I had spent hours in the talk page providing evidence for validity of the sources and the multitude of the mention of those material in different secondary sources. My question from you folks is whether this is fair? I mean is Misplaced Pages supposed to be a place where a crowd of fans can keep a celebrity's article clean of criticism? Is it not censorship when there is a huge amount of criticism out there in academic literature and yet it cannot be added neither in the main article nor in a separate article? I humbly ask whoever reads these lines to take a few minutes to look at the talk page of Richard Dawkins.--216.31.211.11 (talk) 16:43, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

I am not sure this belongs here. Anyway, all of this was taken to RSN today, without notifying any of the people on the RD talk page. I think this IP should report all of us to ANI if we are all causing such a ruckus. Dbrodbeck (talk) 21:11, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

new Wikimedia chapters noticeboard

Over on the meta project, a meta:Chapters' noticeboard has been set up. I don't know where on English Misplaced Pages this should be advertised, if at all, so I hope the good folks here can help. Or just tell me its irrelevant. ;-) John Vandenberg 22:31, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Exhibitionism?

Could someone take a look at this user page ? Looks like this whole thing was put up there to one's satisfaction.. User pic is most likely to be a fake and this "Laura Mason" is said to be the author of the hairy nude pictures displayed there. - Wikigi | talk to me | 08:16, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Garish and excessive templates

On the Tim Cone article does anyone else think that there are too many templates and that it is too garish? 06:44, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

How about this one: {{First Tăriceanu Cabinet}}? Have I been hanging out in the more drab parts of Misplaced Pages or something? -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 07:28, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Dealing with harassment and "personal" trolling

I do not bother much about attacks against me in edit summaries, attackers' user_talk and my own user_talk – these describe them rather than discredit me. But I'am not happy when the damage spreads to a third person's space. How experienced users usually deal with it? Incnis Mrsi (talk) 15:27, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

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