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As you can probably see. Dougweller (talk) 16:32, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed. I was actually working on something for the Garden Creek site article when the above happened, lol. My first block in all my years here, and over something as stupid and trivial as that. Anyway, here it is if you wanna add it in for me before I lose it.

The two villages located on the site were occupied from 600 CE to 1200 CE, first by Woodland period Hopewellian peoples and later by Pisgah Phase people of the South Appalachian Mississippian culture (a regional variation of the Mississippian culture).

I've been working on gathering information and sources for a South Appalachian Mississippian culture article, so that shouldn't stay a red link for long. I think I may just take the 24 hrs as a break from this place. Good luck with it, Cheers. Heiro 16:38, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the edit. You can work on your article offline anyway, in a text editor or word. I did post to the blocking Admin (& mentioned the insult) but it was more of a content dispute although probably pov (I can find what look like RS for both cities, no one seems to be sure since Katrina). I am very careful myself except where vandalism is very obvious. Have you read WP:Vandalism recently? Given that rightly or wrongly you've had warnings before, and now a block, you need to be very careful - try to stay at 2RR. Time usually solves these problems, you know. Dougweller (talk) 17:57, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

I saw that and thanks, I appreciate the support. Decided to take the 24 hrs and think about exactly how much time I spend at this time sink and what I get out of it. I still think the IP was here to troll and vandalize. I don't think they are as new an editor as they claim, from their language(plenty of Misplaced Pages "code" words) and a cell phone popping up moments later to reinsert their edit , avoiding sanctions for continuing an edit war. Anyway, neither here nor there now, I've decided to leave vandal patrol to others, people who have the patience to post 5 please, please dont do thats and then wait on someone to eventually drop by AIV. I'll focus on some article content when I feel like it and leave the rest of it to others. Thanks for standing up for me, I really do appreciate it and sorry for the bother, cheers. Heiro 16:40, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

I think Misplaced Pages gets a lot out of your edits, especially on article content. Don't give up on vandalism, but stick to the ones that are obvius and not say just npov - it's difficult to argue that the name thing about the governor is vandalism, for instance. Have you looked at what I've been doing? I did a merge but I think it was justified. Hopefully I've dealt with Thornton's edits but I'll take another look tomorrow. Dougweller (talk) 18:06, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I saw a lot of what you did, looks good. As for the governor issue, I'm not sure that's the last we'll be seeing of that. There's a lot of talk about the possibility of Romney tagging Jindal as his vp running mate. I've started to see more people in social media trying to pull a Barack Hussein Obama on Jindal already, making sure people know his real name and its not "amurican", etc. I just don't think this is the place for that political war, even tho I fall 180 degrees on the political spectrum from Jindal. But I'm going to let other people deal with that issue if it pops up. I've already cut my watchlist in half, removing I think all pages where contentious pov pushing shows up most. My 24 hrs let me get a little perspective. I don't come here to get into fights with anonymous IPhopping jackasses, I come here because I like researching, writing and sharing articles on subjects I'm personally interested in and when I'm here I'm going to try and stick to that. Let someone else sort out which IPs are trying to help and which are inserting subtle inaccuracies and political shenanigans. I have too many other things IRL to stress about, I'm not going to let this be one of them. Cheers, Heiro 18:41, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Block log barnstar

		The block log Barnstar
		(award details) - I would like to use this opportunity to thank User:Heironymous Rowe for his fine contributions to Misplaced Pages over the years and welcome him to the contributors that got a little heated club and allegedly made that caring extra revert. Many thanks for all your work here. Respect and best wishes to you from Youreallycan 18:03, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, lol. I feel a little like young Henry Hill in Goodfellas when he get outta jail for the first time. Heiro 16:41, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Thats a great movie. Welcome back. - Youreallycan 18:03, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Fresh page

Archived, too much nonsense lately, start a new section for new business please.Heiro 16:47, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

NPS images

We've run into several different types of situations with images from NPS websites. Perhaps the most common is uncredited images; for these we have no reason to believe that they're privately created, so we unhesitatingly upload them as {{PD-USGov-NPS}}. When images are credited, we do one of several things:

• If we can determine that the author is an NPS employee, we upload with {{PD-USGov-NPS}}
• If we can determine that the image is safe for other reasons (e.g. some of the ones in the DeSoto slideshow, which are PD-old), we use them unhesitatingly with the proper tag
• If we can't ascertain the author's identity, or if we can conclude that the author is non-USGov, we don't use the image.

Hope this helps. Nyttend (talk) 01:26, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

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Saw the DYK? Nom and was wondering where are the plates now and are they on display anywhere? Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 18:11, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

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CabUrn

I finally got impatient and just went through and corrected wherever I saw it. I hope the image linking hasn't gotten messed up . Kdammers (talk) 05:48, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Nah, I requested the rename when you asked, and at Commons it creates a redirect for the old title, so it will show up with either spelling. A bot used to rename stuff like that but I guess something happened to it. I've been so busy I just forgot to look and see if it had been done. Sorry about that. Heiro 05:51, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Pensacola culture

Nice! You mentioned noticing it was on my to-do list. It had been there for 6 years, and I don't know when I would have gotten around to it. I chip away a little at that list every once in a while. I'm just hoping to eventually see decent articles about all of the cultures that have been described for Florida. And after that, there are all those important sites. :) And now I'm thinking that I need to go back and review all the articles I worked on over the past 6 1/2 years, fix my mistakes and misunderstandings, and incorporate material from sources I didn't look at before. -- Donald Albury 00:32, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Ah yes, books. I've picked up a few since I started editing in WP. I picked up a few more last month at a book sale. The local public library has a useful selection, and so does the local history museum (although those can't be checked out). It seems to me that more good stuff is available on-line than there was 6 years ago, or maybe I've gotten better at finding it. All of The Florida Anthropologist, The Florida Historical Quarterly and Tequesta are on-line, as well as some dissertations that I've found useful. I keep telling myself that I should go the university library, but parking near there is impossible. And what I don't find in all that is much about the Pensacola people. The connection between Pensacola people and Pensacola culture may be tenuous. I very recently found this (see note 2) suggesting that the people that the Spanish knew as 'Pensacola' had only recently moved in to the area. The Pensacola are said to have been closely related to the Chatot people, who lived in the Fort Walton culture area, and 'Panzacola' or 'Pansacola' was a common surname among the Apalachee. -- Donald Albury 10:44, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

I briefly mentioned that in the article, that the Pensacola people (as opposed to the Pensacola culture peoples, lol) were associated with the Fort Walton Apalachee people and were relative newcomers to the western panhandle area. I am only half way through my book on Bottle Creek, but will be expanding on the prehistory of the site, connections to Moundville, South Louisiana, and Plaquemine peoples. Also need to work in the 1702 visit by Bienville to the Bottle Creek site to get statues to send back to the King of France, lol. From the book so far, which is only 7? 8 years old, it seems they are not really sure who the historic tribes associated with the Pensacola culture are yet. Brown seems to hint that he thinks it may have been the Mabilians or a related group, which I mentioned, but nothing in the book yet has popped up. The next chapter I'm getting ready to read is about the prehistory of the site and the Pensacola culture, so hoping to flesh it out a little more once I get through it. As for more stuff showing up online lately, I've noticed a big jump in the availability of thesis papers, old journals with online versions, etc. I'm not sure if there is just a lot of new stuff up, or google got better or if my google-fu got better, haha, but I've been finding a lot of helpful stuff lately. I rebuilt almost the entire Lake Jackson Mounds article with 3 or 4 online journal articles and thesis papers from the last 10 yrs, that I swear weren't available a year or two ago. Heiro 11:08, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, nice! Thanks for the article! I really enjoyed reading it. I've been to the Bottle Creek site once, but the article taught me some things I didn't know or misunderstood. And your graphics are awesome as always. Thanks again! Altairisfar (talk) 17:07, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Heiro 17:26, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

And then we have the "Pensacola Indians", Apalachees and Yemassees living around Pensacola at the end of the First Spanish era. The names given to cultures sometimes turn out to be a bit awkward. There has to be material used to establish the significance of all those NRHP sites, but digging it out can be tough. I also get frustrated trying to find out more about sites that get off-hand comments in books and journal articles. Authors often assume a familiarity with the literature that I don't have. On the one hand, besides the books I've bought and haven't finished readinf, I already have more on-line books and articles bookmarked than I'll be able use for quite a while, and on the other hand, I'm constantly seeing mention of things that I want to know more about. -- Donald Albury 11:12, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

I agree with everything you just said, haha. Heiro 15:12, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Wulfing cache

On 4 May 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Wulfing cache, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that plates in the pre-Columbian Wulfing style, likely made by the same workshop at Cahokia, have been found as far apart as Oklahoma, Illinois, and Florida? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Wulfing cache.You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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DYK for Etowah plates

On 5 May 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Etowah plates, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that many of the pre-Columbian Etowah plates found at Etowah Indian Mounds in Georgia were thought to have been made at Cahokia in western Illinois? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Etowah plates.You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Panyd 16:06, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Awministries

Thank you so much for your assistance, will review information and attempt again. Awministries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Awministries (talk • contribs) 03:34, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

94.175.118.39

You warned 94.175.118.39 (talk · contribs) = this is also WarriorsPride6565 (talk · contribs) (openly, he used the IP to post to my talk page but signed with his account name). Those new articles are very impressive, as is your art work (found your website also). Dougweller (talk) 06:16, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Mississippian copper plates

On 20 May 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Mississippian copper plates, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that although no Mississippian copper plates have ever been found at Cahokia, it is the only Mississippian culture site where a copper workshop has been located by archaeologists? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Mississippian copper plates.You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Carabinieri (talk) 08:04, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Cantonese people (IP/WarriorsPride)

Over the past couple of days I've been trying to handle some very problematic edits made by 94.175.118.39 (talk · contribs) at Cantonese people - these variously involve lots of OR (including admissions that the sources don't say what the editor is claiming them to say: , ), blatantly unreliable sources (message boards and, amazingly, a term-paper cheat site), other sloppy sourcing and redundancy problems, and copyvio. Attempts to discuss this on Talk have been met with serious IDHT. Similar troublesome edits have now been made at Miscegenation, Interracial marriage, and Eurasian (mixed ancestry). I see that you've had/have experience with this editor, so I was wondering if you had any advice or could provide extra eyes on the articles (not that I'm trying to stick you with work, but I can feel the "losing my cool" monster starting to fight against its bonds). Thanks. Ergative rlt (talk) 23:02, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Comment

If you have issue with anything I do, please feel free to ask me about it. Thank you.--William S. Saturn (talk) 00:33, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, was just trying not to start drama, as there is enough connected with that article as it is. I noticed your attempts to contact the editors by email and decided to ask an admin I know is acquainted with the problems on that page what their take on it was. He din't seem to think it was anything to worry about, so I forgot about it. Didn't mean to cause offense if any was taken, just hadn't ran across you much and was curious. Regards, Heiro 00:46, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

I contacted all parties that I saw as heavily involved including Dougweller.--William S. Saturn (talk) 01:02, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Melungeon

This a formal "Cease and desist" letter to you informing you to STOP contributing to racism and malious attacks on my family, the melungeons. Further contrubutions to this wil indicate a delibrite attempt to further racism and malious embarsement on my family the melungeons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.99.68.123 (talk) 19:40, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Good lord, who taught you to spell? Heiro 20:41, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Louisiana Editing

Heiro, I apologize about changing the ERA from BCE to BC and from CE to AD. I just wanted to remain consistent in applying BCE/BC and CE/AD. I was looking at other states pages and the ones I looked at either don't have BCE nor CE. Again that is no excuse and I want to apologize again. User talk:Sullivan9211 14:32, 7 July 2012 (CST)

Heiro has a problem with neutrality. Heiro is not confortable with any notions with laenings to other religions than Heiro's. If one article should have just one date system, why YOU have deleted all edits wich unified all dates to majority in that article in the case of BC/AD, but let all the edits with BCE and BC? Sorry, but Heiro has a double standard... and a big problem to climb over in the field of scientific thinking. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.157.92.31 (talk) 12:06, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

IP has a problem with Neutral Point of View and seems quite happy to attack you, Heiro, at Talk:History of Ptolemaic Egypt although you haven't edited that article. Lol. Dougweller (talk) 12:21, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Given their insistence that they are running a "scientific test", yet their clear lack of a clue where the English languange is concerned, I think we are being trolled. If their disruption continues, would you block or do you consider yourself involved by now? If so I'll take to the appropriate admin board if I notice it, but I'm not on WP much right now. It is the middle of my "on the road" season for work and I'm pretty busy IRL. Heiro 17:25, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

I don't think I'm too involved. I did restore their edit at History of Ptolemaic Egypt which was always BC, by the way. Dougweller (talk) 18:20, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Randi GA nomination

I have started a GA review of an article to which you have recently contributed. Any help in addressing the concerns raised in the review are welcome.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 18:11, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

I started looking

into Frank Joseph to see just how reliable he might be as a source, and then decided there might as well be an article about him and then discovered that the redirect at Frank Joseph WAS HIM. This is a link that pulls some of it together. I have not read the whole thing but thought that I'd pass it on to you. I do think that accepting him as a reliable source will get wikipedia into some strange places. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 02:18, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Digging a bit deeper I see that you are way ahead of me. I'll suggest that perhaps an administrator should be alerted about this guy. I assume not a woman. Carptrash (talk) 02:30, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, done and done, lol. I ran across "Frank" several months ago while researching another fringe issue addition for something, no longer remember what now. The editor inserting the material was good enough at citations, etc.(especially for someone with 3 edits) that if I hadn't recognized the name I probably would have left them alone, as I barely skimmed over the content. But after noticing who he was citing too, I actually read what was being added to the article. To call that stuff WP:FRINGE is kind, most of it is out right BS. Heiro 12:50, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Kincaid Mounds State Historic Site

Before reverting my change again, please note that the change is in accordance with the Misplaced Pages Manual of Style (MoS). Please read the talk page. Thanks. •••Life of Riley (T–C) 20:38, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

I'm no good at range blocks anyway, so you'll need someone else, maybe the Admin from User talk:166.147.112.7? Off to bed now. Dougweller (talk) 20:54, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Right on. If he continues I'll re-open or start a new section linking to the one from a month ago and ask for a rangeblock. With that other thread as prior evidence it should not be too hard to obtain. Heiro 20:56, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

that ip must have nailed it to get you all roweled up like you did. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.147.120.18 (talk) 23:36, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

No, the fact that you keep showing up after all these years to pull these shenanigans is irritating. Take your debunked hoaxes, ufos, mayan prophecies, and ancient european americans and go elsewhere. And knock it off with the personal attacks. Heiro 00:11, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Grog

What is grog? I've found a source speaking of Illinois' Duffy Site (Late Woodland with Mississippian influences) and related sites as yielding "grog-tempered" pottery, and I find a reference to the same technique in your Coles Creek culture article. Nyttend (talk) 17:43, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! I checked grog, figuring that it would be about the beverage but hoping otherwise, and I completely forgot to check the hatnoted disambiguation page. I've run into the concept of tempering before, when I was writing about the Ashworth Site in Indiana's southwestern corner (quite close to Duffy, actually), but that site is Caborn-Welborn. Nyttend (talk) 01:10, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Also related to Duffy — are you familiar with the Great Salt Spring, a few miles away? Also known as "Saline Springs" (the name by which it's on the National Register) or Nigger Springs (due to it being the site of the only legal slavery in Illinois), it was a major trade center from the Woodland period into historical times. You can read somewhat about it at Crenshaw House (Gallatin County, Illinois), and if you have JSTOR access, you can read about it here, here, here, and here. I'm asking precisely because of the multitude of names — because it's a regionally prominent site and because it's had so many names, I'm left wondering if it might have an article that I've not yet found. Nyttend (talk) 01:43, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry to keep piling on questions; I keep thinking of something else. I've just written Spanish Fort Site (Holly Bluff, Mississippi), which despite its name has nothing to do with the Spanish, but it does have Baytown and Coles Creek components. Does it belong on their templates? I don't do much with navboxes for individual cultures, so I'd appreciate it if you added (or chose not to add) these sites to their templates after you get a chance to respond to my Salt Spring question. Nyttend (talk) 03:45, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, dont know anything about the Salt Spring, but do know a bit about the Spanish Fort, it should be one of two or three in the immediate Yazoo Basin area and should prolly be in the templates. I know one of my book by Philips has several pages on the sites, including site maps, but I am on the road for the summer and the earliest I'll be home is 3 weeks from now. May be able to expand it. Will take a look. See also Holly Bluff Site. Heiro 03:55, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! One of the entries in the bibliography for my main Spanish Fort source is

Phillips, Philip. Archaeological Survey in the Lower Yazoo Basin, Mississippi, 1949-1955. Papers of the Peabody Museum of Archaeology and Ethnology 25. Cambridge: Harvard U, 1970.

Sound familiar, or is this something different? I know that this region is much more familiar to you than where I am; I decided to write about it after looking through several years of the Midcontinental Journal of Archaeology (which just got added to JSTOR, as far as I can tell) and running across an article that covered this and two other sites in the immediate Yazoo Basin area. My article links two comparable ones, Leist and Little Spanish Fort, which may be what you're remembering. And thanks for the input on the Salt Spring, too. Nyttend (talk) 04:07, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Thats gthe Philips book I have, bit ole sucker, must be 2.25" thick, lol. And Little Spanish Fort is what I am remembering. There are also several other sites around the southeast with that particular name also, lol. De Soto sure spread it around, at least gossip wise amongst the white colonizers several hundred years later. He apparently slept in more places that G. Washington. Heiro 04:13, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Angel and Caborn-Welborn

Do you have any need for an information source on either Angel or Caborn-Welborn? I've just checked out this guy's dissertation from the Indiana University library; I wanted it as a resource for writing about the Ellerbusch Site (near Angel), but he has massive amounts of information on both A and C-W. It's seemingly one of the earliest publications on C-W, as one of his earlier publications (cowritten with IU faculty member Cheryl Ann Munson) defined the culture in the first place. Nyttend (talk) 01:58, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Another question — have you ever heard of a tool called a shredder? This dissertation speaks of finding such a tool and describes it as being a tool similar to a scraper, but used for tearing insted of scraping. Shredder redirects to shredding, which doesn't mention anything on the subject, and shredder (archaeology) is a redlink to which no page links. Nyttend (talk) 22:57, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Nope, sorry. Sure there is an archeo text book somewhere, mebbe ask Dougweller? Heiro 04:13, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

The Olive Branch: A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #1)

Welcome to the first edition of The Olive Branch. This will be a place to semi-regularly update editors active in dispute resolution (DR) about some of the most important issues, advances, and challenges in the area. You were delivered this update because you are active in DR, but if you would prefer not to receive any future mailing, just add your name to this page.

In this issue:

• Background: A brief overview of the DR ecosystem.
• Research: The most recent DR data
• Survey results: Highlights from Steven Zhang's April 2012 survey
• Activity analysis: Where DR happened, broken down by the top DR forums
• DR Noticeboard comparison: How the newest DR forum has progressed between May and August
• Discussion update: Checking up on the Wikiquette Assistance close debate
• Proposal: It's time to close the Geopolitical, ethnic, and religious conflicts noticeboard. Agree or disagree?

--The Olive Branch 19:06, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Hola

Any thoughts? -Uyvsdi (talk) 21:21, 12 September 2012 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Prather Site

FYI — I'm planning on visiting metro Louisville tomorrow, and the Prather Site is on my photo list. Nyttend (talk) 00:16, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Awesome! Keep meaning to myself, but is just far enough off my beaten path I haven't yet! You should make a folder at commons and upload as many good pics as you can get. Not sure if much is there though. Seems to be mostly a field with some gentle rises frm google and the few shots in some archaeo reports. Heiro 05:16, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, the scene came out as rather bland fields; the countryside that I saw was comparable to what you see in File:Deffenbaugh Site.jpg. I was counting on seeing at least the remnants of substantial mounds; a week and a half ago, I saw the Common Field Site near Ste. Genevieve, Missouri (37°57′16″N 90°0′43″W / 37.95444°N 90.01194°W / 37.95444; -90.01194), and even though it's damaged enough that it was only recently identified as Mississippian, it still has a large mound that you can see distantly from the state highway and easily see from the nearby gravel road. I'll try to remember to let you know when I get that uploaded; I'm busy enough with school and work right now that I've not yet uploaded some photos from July, and recent trips to Ste. Genevieve and Louisville have compounded the backlog :-) Perhaps things at Prather would have been different if I could have seen the area near the state highway, but one's view of the site is obstructed by both a rail line and a treeline, so you'll have to settle for a photo taken from the Charlestown Pike on the site's northern side. Nyttend (talk) 03:10, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Cool, right on. I suspected as much as I mentioned above. It doesn't sound like it was a very large site with very large mounds to begin with, but a century of cultivation and digging, not to mention several previous centuries of erosion and neglect, have surely rubbed them down to nubs. You should really stop at Angel if you are ever in the Evansville area if you want to see some substantial mounds. I haven't been very active here (wiki) all summer either, I was busy working painting several large mural projects and working on new oil paintings for several gallery shows I have coming up in the next year. Part of the reason I haven't been very good about answering stuff on this page this summer. I just got home from a 3 month work trip this weekend and am now back in my studio, so don't know when I'll get back to being active here. I still have several subjects I want to finish up articles about, one a rather large article on Mississippian shell engravings I've been slowing building for 2 years, similar to the ones I did on pottery and repousse copper. But last spring a spat and mutual edit war with an IP vandal that led to a 24 hr block for me and an apology from the blocking admin to the IP kinda soured me a little and the 3 month break has actually let me realize how much IRL work I used to get done before I started spending so much time on here. I still pop in from time to time to check my watchlist, do the occasional vandal revert or minor correction, but have no definite plans for anything else right now. I'm sure something will pique my interest in the coming months though. Keep up the good work and definitely drop me a line when you upload those photos, the Missouri sites as well, would love to see them. Cheers, Heiro 04:05, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm guessing that what survives at Common Field is comparable in size to the Seip Mound in Ross County, Ohio, but its distance from the road means that I can't be sure; you can read more about it at http://www.jstor.org/stable/25800573 if you have JSTOR access. I got another site in Ste. Genevieve County (Kreilich, just some open fields; not Mississippian), plus several in Randolph County on the Illinois side. Unfortunately, most of them aren't impressive: there's a historic village site and several petroglyph sites (but some of the carvings are badly vandalised, and the rest are horribly hard to see; I only found them because I had a copy of the book in which they were first published a few years ago), but one is the massive Modoc Rock Shelter. Meanwhile, I visited Angel more than a year ago (I've gotten every single National Register site in Indiana southwest of Indianapolis :-) and enjoyed it, but I didn't get many photos, and what I did get were inferior to what was already online. I've never seen any other site even close to its complexity; the only bigger earthworks of any sort that I've seen are Newark, plus the Grave Creek and Miamisburg Mounds. I've seen documentation on Prather that you don't have, but I don't remember the URLs — I found a large number of documents related to Clark County archaeological sites (many of the documents were the basic archaeological survey forms), but while I recorded the URLs, I forgot to list what URL went with what site, so I'll have a good deal of re-digging to do before I can find it. Nyttend (talk) 04:53, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Photo added. I'm sorry for the poor quality, but between the time of day and the drivers behind me who didn't want to stop randomly along the road, I couldn't get anything better. Nyttend (talk) 01:18, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi

Not disagreeing with your edit, but I note that Talamachusee did add Richart Thornton's name to Thornton (surname) (it was removed of course). Taking a short break now. Dougweller (talk) 05:57, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Pretty sure the IP is correct about Talamachusee is Thornton, but the IP was a bit disengenious with their edit summary as the links they changed at Kenimer site were not added by Talamachuse nor did they concern Thornton. I suspect the IP might be another alias. Enjoy your break, Heiro 16:07, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Location marker options in Template:Infobox_Pre-Columbian_site

Hi Hei- I was trying to figure out how to make a more visible marker for the Chaco Canyon/Pueblo Bonito site on the New Mexico map in the infobox on Pueblo_Bonito, and saw that you'd added the box there last year. Are you familiar with how to change the location marker in those maps? I see some guidance on Template:Location_map#Caption.2C_label_size.2C_background.2C_mark.2C_marksize, but the arguments are different in that template from the ones available in Template:Infobox_Pre-Columbian_site. Thanks in advance for any pointers. I'll watch on the Pueblo Bonito talkpage if you think it's better to answer me there. Eric 16:42, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Blocking

• Heiro has had a ton of 3RR warnings. S/he knows the issue pretty well and tends to push it like in this case. EW is the one issue that tends to get experienced well-intended editors in trouble. I'm sure you know this.

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• I don't see the IP's edits as a deliberate attempt to disrupt wikipedia. That's just not evident. Maybe push a POV, sure but that's not an exemption to 3RR.

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• The insult is inexcusable and has earned that editor a 4im warning for it. I've watchlisted the page and will quickly block the IP if disruption continues. I understand s/he is pissed off and has a right to be (and I should have caught the 5 yo comment) This is a pretty obvious case of WP:BITE on heiro's part.

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Let me know if you still disagree with this. Toddst1 (talk) 17:28, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

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Ok, maybe pov, he's from that area. The IP is from Baton Rouge which explains I guess why the IP was replacing New Orleans with Baton Rouge. The last 'warning' was a reminder from me, the one before ... ( boo hoo)

1. "The Woodland and Mississippian Periods in North Carolina : The South Appalachian Mississippian Tradition :Pisgah Phase (A.D. 1000 - 1450)". University of NOrth Carolina at Chapel Hill.
2. Rodning, Christopher B.; Moore, David G. South Appalachian and Protohistoric Mortuary Practices in Southwestern North Carolina (PDF). pp. 89–90.