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Notability issues

Hi,

I came through the Teahouse a few weeks ago when I was working on my first article - for the person Leila Gurruwiwi. At that time I had included 3 separate newspaper profiles of her, which seemed to me to satisfy the notability requirement of "multiple published secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject," and a host here confirmed that it looked good. I submitted it to Articles for Creation, but it just got rejected for lack of notability. I've just added several more sources, and I was wondering if someone could take another look at it and tell me if I've fixed the problem? It is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Leila_Gurruwiwi

The other thing is, I want to link to an article in The City Weekly, but the article is not currently available on the newspaper's own website. So I've linked in the article to a copy of the article which is available at this website: http://kathrynkernohan.com/2012/09/27/life-goals/ Is this acceptable? Angelbird72 (talk) 11:22, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi Angelbird72, and welcome to the Teahouse. I've looked over the article and, whilst none of the sources is exactly outstanding, there seems to be enough there to justify an article. I've therefore moved it into mainspace at Leila Gurruwiwi. Linking to a copy of an article is fine, but the original should be cited as well - I'm going to sort out the citations for you now. Thanks for contributing to Misplaced Pages; I hope you'll continue to edit this and other articles. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:58, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Contribute to Misplaced Pages in two different languages

Hello, I've created my account on English Misplaced Pages, but I'm also interested in collaborating with the Spanish version. Is this possible? My user page appears as "non existent" in the latter. I've tried to merge my accounts... to no avail. Thanks, Cocolacoste 09:55, 5 October 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cocolacoste (talk • contribs)

Hi Cocolacoste, welcome to the Teahouse. I removed leading spaces in your post because they cause special formatting. You have already created your account at the Spanish Misplaced Pages simply by visiting http://es.wikipedia.org while being logged in. You are welcome to edit there and any other Misplaced Pages language. It's optional for editors to create a user page. See Misplaced Pages:User pages and es:Misplaced Pages:Página de usuario for what you can put on a user page. If a user page or any other page has not been created then it appears as a red link. The link turns blue if you save something on the page. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:30, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks ever so much for your quick reply and apologies for the formatting mess-up (I'm a newbie on Misplaced Pages, so I still have to learn lots of things). cocolacoste (talk)Cocolacoste 10:46, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

creating English version of an existing article in German

How do I do this?Williamodom (talk) 09:48, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi Williamodom, welcome to the Teahouse. See Misplaced Pages:Translation. The English article can be written and edited independently without being a direct translation. Place the code ] at the bottom of the English article, where foreigntitle is the title of the German article. Misplaced Pages:Your first article shows a way to create a page. If you post the German title and wanted English title then we can perhaps help more. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:40, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

how to post pictures

sorry i'm asking so many questions but how do you post a picture in an article.i read the other question about posting pictures and i should meet those standards the problem is i don't know how to do it Zeroro (talk) 04:27, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Not a problem Zeroro, Misplaced Pages has a steep learning curve, and we understand some processes are complicated. The picture process is very complicated. Have you found Misplaced Pages:Uploading images and Misplaced Pages:Picture tutorial yet? The first gives details on how to get a picture from your computer to Misplaced Pages's servers, and the second covers how to put that picture into an article and format it after it has been uploaded. Do either of those help, or do you have more specific questions? --Jayron32 04:36, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

i'm not sure but think you i'll check it out Zeroro (talk) 04:45, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

what do these mean

what do "link rot" and "coord missing|Texas" mean, they showed up with the {} things around them on the editing of that same article Atems and I don't know what to do. Zeroro (talk) 03:15, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Put simply, link rot means that you used bare links for citations. Bare links are not preferred, because the URL could change, and then the source is not findable. I went ahead and fixed these for you. In the future, click on the "cite" button in the top of your editing window, then click under templates and follow the instructions. The coord missing message means that it is about an article that is a specific place, but does not have latitude and longitude coordinates. These can be found by simply going to Google Maps or your favorite maps program, and then addint them to the article with Template:coord. Thanks for your contributions! gwickwire | Leave a message 03:28, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeroro (talk • contribs) 03:33, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

how to get the word out of new articles

hi.

I've created my first Misplaced Pages page and I'd like people to see it so I was wondering how to get the word out or if maybe the was some kind of list of all of the new Misplaced Pages pages. the page is the A.T.E.M.S. page if that helps at all.

Zeroro (talk) 01:14, 5 October 2012 (UTC)Zeroro (talk) 01:14, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Hello Zeroro, one popular but very competitive method to get on the front page of Misplaced Pages is WP:Did you know?, but unfortunately that's only for articles created in the last 5 days. Some other ways to let folks know about your page are to drop in to introduce it to the WikiProjects listed on your article's talk page (Texas, Education, etc). Also, you could always share your article on social media, like post it on Facebook walls, etc.

Before you move on to the promotions, I'd suggest you get the article as polished as you can so people can see a really well-developed article by the time the word gets out. On the article's talkpage, I've suggested that it include a photograph, and a WP:Infobox. I've also put "tags" on the top of the article indicating what needs to be cleaned up or tweaked. I'd also strongly advise you read Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Schools/Article guidelines, which will have the "winning formula" for making a strong and informative school article on Misplaced Pages. Hope this helps! MatthewVanitas (talk) 02:54, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you I really appreciate that and thanks for responding so quickly — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeroro (talk • contribs) 03:04, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

How do you post pictures in a article?

Hello.

I joined Wiki last Friday and i was wondering how can you post a picture on a wiki page. I went to the upload page and i can't upload a picture so i was wondering can you give me a step by step on how to do it.

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Helendixon1960 (talk • contribs) 06:59, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Question moved to top of page. NtheP (talk) 20:54, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Could you please explain what problem you are having with uploading it? Is it a copyright issue or file name already exists issue? –– Anonymouse321 (talk) 21:03, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

@Anonymouse: I was just wondering how to post a picture in a article and when i try to upload a picture it wouldn't let me but after reading what other users told me i now understand it.

Hi Helen! Welcome to Misplaced Pages and the Teahouse. The more Misplaced Pages edits you make, the more "rights" you are given on Misplaced Pages to do cool things - like upload photographs. I could be wrong, but I don't think you're able to do that yet - you have to be what we call "autopatrolled." Perhaps another Teahouse host can confirm this for me. In theory, the more article content you edit, the more like you will become autopatrolled. Can I ask what image you want to upload? Perhaps you can link us to it. Thanks! SarahStierch (talk) 21:49, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

In order to upload files, you must be Autoconfirmed, which requires 4 days and 10 edits on Misplaced Pages. When you filed the request, you were not autoconfirmed, but you are now. The autoconfirmed permission is generally requested at WP: PERM/C, but non-autoconfirmed users can request a file to be uploaded for them at WP: FFU. The Autopatrolled flag is given out differently and is requested at WP: PERM/AP. Users should have created at least 50 decent articles before being given the autoreviewer flag. The autopatrolled flag marks the user's new pages (at Special: Newpages) as patrolled. --v/r Electric Catfish (talk) 22:01, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks you guys!

How to Request a Revision to Company Page

Hello -

I'm in corporate communications at The Home Depot and would like to inquire about how to make factual edits to our page: http://en.wikipedia.org/The_Home_Depot

I understand given my position I have a conflict of interest and would appreciate your guidance on how best to handle. For example, we'd like to make sure Misplaced Pages users get correct information on our store number and International locations. Can you please advise?

Thanks, Meghan165.130.136.208 (talk) 17:20, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Hey, Meghan, welcome to the Teahouse! Thanks for being up-front about your COI; some people aren't always so straightforward, and it causes no end of drama whenever we find out about it. The best way to do it is to make an edit request to the article's talk page. Basically, what you'd do is this: go to the article's talk page (in this case, it's Talk:The Home Depot). Start a new section in the talk page, and in the new section, write out {{Request edit}} and then explain the edit that you'd like made. This makes the request; someone will come answer it and either enact the changes or explain to you why they shouldn't be enacted, and a conversation can go from there. Do keep in mind, though, that the information that's in our articles needs to be verifiable by having support from independent, reliable sources. If you link to those sources in your initial edit request, it makes it quite a bit easier for us to handle it. Thanks! Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 17:31, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

how do you create an article?

How do you create an article?82.69.121.214 (talk) 11:31, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Unregistered users cannot create pages in article space - if you have a registered account (or if you create one, see this page for the perks it gives you and to sign up) you can simply type the name of the page you want into the search bar and (assuming nothing comes up) create the page. However, if you're editing from an IP address, your best bet is Articles for creation - this will help you create a page step-by-step using the Article Wizard. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:11, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Complaint About Image Use Policy

I am writing to complain about Misplaced Pages’s image use policy as enforced by your editors. I’m not sure I agree with or understand why you have chosen a policy so strict that it basically negates the power and potential of the Internet—if you want to have the image policy of a print encyclopedia, that’s your business. What I object to is the impossibility of figuring out what you want and the apparent inability of any of your editors to actually help me solve the problem. The several editors who so vigilantly monitor licenses were quick to detect some problem, what problem I still don’t understand, then instantly delete the picture, and refer me to the same thicket of dozens of articles explaining licenses and policies. What I want to do should be very simple—upload a picture that a friend took of another friend that we all want to be used freely. Why is it so complicated to figure out how to do something simple? I believed I had complied with your demands proving this each time—we’re on the sixth attempt now—only to have someone else come along and complain and give me the same instructions that I thought I’d already satisfied. If I hadn’t satisfied the policy, can you help me do so? We’ve emailed you the permissions of both the person who took the picture and who owns the picture. So what do you want now? I love Misplaced Pages, but the number of hours I have spent trying to figure out what you want for one simple picture and the frustration this produced has greatly soured me. I’m all for quality control, but all this time that everyone has spent could have been much better invested than in proving the license of an image whose use no one will ever object to. Sincerely, Odell Huff (Writing in reference to the article and image of Warren Coats).Odellhuff (talk) 11:09, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi Odellhuff. I'm sorry that you've been having a problem like that with image licenses - they are difficult, and Misplaced Pages's policies on the issue are always hard to work through.

With images Misplaced Pages faces two problems. The first is a normal copyright one - with anonymous editors, it is hard to know if the person uploading an image has the right to do so, of if they are violating the photographer's copyright. The second is a bit more unique to Misplaced Pages. Because Misplaced Pages is released under a free license, people reusing Misplaced Pages's content may find themselves in trouble when if works were added that did allow the same level of reuse. So as a general rule, Misplaced Pages is limited to accepting photographs that are either public domain or released under a free license that allows full reuse of the photos by third parties, even commercially.

Anyway, it looks like you are mostly running into the first of these problems. I'm not quite sure what you have been told before, so I can't be as specific as I would like. You mention above that you've email the permissions, so this may be obsolete, but the two steps are:

• Have the copyright holder (Warren Coats, I presume?) email permissions-en@wikimedia.org saying that the image is being released into the public domain. There is a nice example of sample wording at: Misplaced Pages:Declaration of consent for all enquiries.
• Add to the photo page the code: {{OTRS pending}}. This will let other editors know that everything is under control, and that it is being taken care of. :)

Once permission has been received, someone else will edit the photo's page to let everyone know that they're received the permission to use the image. The one point that might be of some concern is that the copyright of the photo normally belongs to the photographer, rather than the subject, unless that was specifically allowed for, so the copyright holder might need to be clear on that in the email. It may be that no-one added the "OTRS pending" message, which might be causing some of the trouble

It is unfortunate that this is complex, but Misplaced Pages tends to be overly cautious. If you have any problems feel free to contact me or raise it here. I'd love to help. - Bilby (talk) 11:33, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Bilby for your nice reply. I reforwarded an email to permissions-en@wikimedia.org from both the author and the subject (one contention has been that it was the subject's camera for the subjects computer but a friend snapped the picture--we had to track down the person who snapped the picture, the "author," to ask his permission to use it?). Then, in Wikimedia Commons on the file's description page (http://commons.wikimedia.org/File:Warren_Baghdad.JPG#.7B.7Bint:license-header.7D.7D) under the licensing heading I inserted: OTRS pending

Does that satisfy the requirements? Thank you for help. While I do understand the reasoning, my personal opinion is that licensing requirements this severe are consuming manpower in recreating the limitations of print. Surely a better balance could be struck between unleashing wiki potential, especially for content meant to be in the public domain, and Misplaced Pages's legal needs.Odellhuff (talk) 14:13, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

That helps a lot. The only thing missing is information about the license it is being released under. Do you know what license was to be specified in the email? If that could be clarified then all should be good. I generally agree with you about the complexity - there have been a number of projects to try and make it easier, but it is very tricky to get the balance right. :) - Bilby (talk) 14:34, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Bilby, but I'm confused again, "information about the license it is being released under"--the three of us just want it to be released in the public domain with no copyright protection or attribution necessary and the author's email reflected that?Odellhuff (talk) 15:15, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Odellhuff! The license requirement can be satisfied with either CC-BY-SA 3.0 License or the GFDL. Those are the same licences referenced on the edit page, which is telling you that you are releasing what you wrote under them. Hope that clears things up. Gtwfan52 (talk) 17:03, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi GTWfan52, sorry if I'm being dense, but that actually does not tell me what to do. I went again to the pic description file and it is not clear to me where or how I'm supposed to alter the "information about the license it is being released under," whether it's to be a CC or GFDL, and how I'm supposed to designate it. Every time I thought I've done this, it turns out I've done it wrong. Can someone please point me to the exact location and which license to use for public domain and how to designate that? Why do we have to fret about this step if the permission for public domain by the author has already been submitted anyway?Odellhuff (talk) 17:21, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

You have it perfect now. :) That was the correct thing to do with the article. The problem is that if I say "I'm willing to share this photo", I still have a right to choose how I will share that photo. So we need a bit more information. For example, I could say that I'm willing to share it so long as people acknowledge that the photo was taken by me, in which case it is great and we can use it. Or, as you have done, I could say that this is able to be used by anyone, for any reason, without them having to acknowledge who the photographer was. But I could mean something mor restrictive, like "this photo can be used by anyone, so long as it isn't used commercially", or "this photo can only be used on Misplaced Pages". I have every right to say that, but the last two can't be used here. So out of respect for the photographer's wishes, Misplaced Pages needs a clear statement on the photo's page about how the photographer is permitting it to be used.

It is painful to go through it the first time. On the plus side, once you know what the hoops are, jumping through them is much, much easier the second time. It is a tricky process, but it is needed if Misplaced Pages is both to be released under a free license and properly respect the wishes of everyone involved. - Bilby (talk) 22:30, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

newbie question - how to change a title on an uploaded pic

I contributed a photo with an inappropriate title. I titled a photo of the FDR Memorial the FDR Monument. No one has linked to it yet. How can I change title? Thanks. Markdiaz (talk) 09:15, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Easily done:

1. Go to the file's page on Wikimedia Commons.
2. Next to the search bar in the top right is a little down arrow with a drop-down menu, under which you need to select "Move".
3. In the box that pops up, enter the new name and choose "Uploader request" as the reason.
4. Hit "Request renaming" and you're done.

Hope that helps. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:30, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

List of dog breeds

Hi, Sorry to bother you on here again! I noticed this morning that an IP has altered the List of dog breeds (http://en.wikipedia.org/List_of_dog_breeds), which I don't think is correct? At the same time the IP also altered the List of donkey breeds (http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=List_of_donkey_breeds&diff=515911050&oldid=510630109) but I don't know anything about donkeys, so can't comment on that. I do know how to revert edits but at the moment I am weary of doing anything on Wiki, particularly reverting stuff. This brings me to my second question (apologies if I shouldn't be asking it here, or perhaps at all but it's causing me a disproportionate amount of concern - silly, I know!). There is a sock puppet investigation that I have been accused as being part of (http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/KoKingsmill); it seems to have been 'on hold' for a while although others have been resolved. I don't want to post anything on the page itself as I'm worried it will result in further problems with one of the editors involved. If I wanted to contact someone about it, what should I do? Sagaciousphil (talk) 08:59, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi Phil, thanks for visiting the Teahouse. The IP's edits appear to be clear-cut vandalism, so I've reverted them and placed warnings on their talkpage - well spotted! As for the SPI, I wouldn't worry - it looks very much like a frivolous report, given User:AinsworthAussie's contributions... Sooner or later an SPI clerk will file it away; I can't see that there's anything actionable against you there. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:14, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your very quick response, it's very much appreciated. ;-)

Re the SPI though, I appreciate my account has not been blocked or suspended while the matter is being checked and even if others don't realise it, I know I'm not a sock puppet! However, it's making me feel I shouldn't be doing any changes at all on Wiki until it's sorted out. I've been ferreting some item/references away in my sandbox that I feel will help improve articles but I'm now too reticent to put them in just in case it sets things off or causes upset to others. Sorry, the frustration is driving me to distraction!

Sagaciousphil (talk) 11:11, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Unless a checkuser showed you to be a sockpuppet (which seems extremely unlikely) I can see nothing in your pattern of edits that would suggest to me that you were. If I were the administrator clerking the case (although I'm an admin, I'm not an SPI clerk so can't actually do that for you), I would judge the report itself to be in bad faith and close it. SPI reports like this happen from time to time; you can ignore it and continue editing as normal. You don't need to wait for the case to be closed. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:14, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your prompt help and advice; Misplaced Pages can be a very daunting place at times, so it's nice to know there is somewhere to get help! :-) Sagaciousphil (talk) 14:01, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't understand how to share my comments about deleting articles

Hi, I just received an email that someone wants to delete the article "List of DirecTV channels (United States...)".

If i read it correctly, some are proposing the complete deletion of the whole thing.

How do share my feelings that this should not be deleted? I can't figure it out because i think the WP page, which i've used for years, is the best anywhere.

Do i "EDIT" the article where it's proposed to have the article listed above, deleted? Is that where i put in my 2 cents?

I'm so lost. I'm sorry for the newbie question.

Thanks

TersterTerster (talk) 02:34, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Hello Terster and welcome back to wikipedia. The discussion you're looking for appears to be the one at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of DirecTV channels (2nd nomination). Before you contribute, I suggest that you read Misplaced Pages:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions.

Hey, and welcome to Misplaced Pages! I noticed that the reason the editors are requesting delete on these articles based on the result of another Articles for Deletion submission. The basis for the old submission was basically that Misplaced Pages is not the place for electronic directories, including channel guides. Based on that AfD, the editor nominated other ones that fit the same category. I'm glad that you disagree with the editor, however, because that's how Misplaced Pages works! If you wish to publicise your disagreement, go to the article's AfD page and edit in a post at the bottom of the page with your opinion, following the format of other editors. Be careful not to disturb other editors opinions in the meantime though! It would also be a good idea to look at the above link to Arguments to avoid before posting, as you will get more support behind you if you provide a convincing argument. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask! gwickwire | Leave a message 03:21, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

No response from RFC is there another option?

A few months ago I wrote an article regarding a sporting/technological controversy. Since then there has been intense debate and disagreement regarding its inclusion, content and location within Misplaced Pages. It has also been subjected to a RfC without any additional outside comments. Views still remain polarized.

I have voiced concerns regarding the over-liberal interpretation of synthesis and the misuse of other rules in an attempt to remove the article. However, my view is that the root of the problem is nothing other than nationalistic biases, and unless we are allowed to address this issue no further progress will be made. I have suggested various solutions such as 3rd party mediation by a neutral party, and a disclosure of any national or sporting interests by all editors, but these have not been meet with much enthusiasm.

Has anyone any suggestions how to proceed?

PS Sorry I can't seem to get the question box to work, hope I have not posted multiple entries!--Andromedean (talk) 22:02, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

You mean Talk:Controversies at the 2012 Summer Olympics? A number of comments on the issue were received and most seemed to disagree with your addition, from what I can see. Sionk (talk) 22:57, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Hmmm, that entire article seems like it stands in contravention of Misplaced Pages:Criticism, personally I'd be looking to disperse and integrate the content to appropriate specific pages. Stuartyeates (talk) 00:05, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

There was an Articles for Deletion discussion which decided overwhelmingly to keep the article. It was a very busy article a few weeks ago at the height of the Olympics! I tend to agree with you that many 'controversies' will be seen as less important as time passes. Many have already been removed, from what I remember. Sionk (talk) 00:28, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

I thought no new editors came on board after the RfC but if you spotted one I would like to know who. Myself and another editor agreed on a version, whilst another editor wanted the most controversial sentences taken out, or the article removed to another location. Another wanted it removed altogether.

Any suggestions on more balance would be welcome, but we have had the sentence regarding the bikes being legal from the start. We also included the view of the GB technical director, although he reinforces the text.

The controversy of differences in bike technology in championships has been running for 20 years so it is unlikely to go away, not least because it fundamentally contradicts the governing bodies principle. However, I think it was brought to a head in this Olympics due to the substantially improved performance of the team since the World Championships in April after which the bikes were changed (those details have been taken out).

The history is rather complicated due to the number of edits. So the criticisms may vary depending upon the version. Anyway, it has just been removed completely again, with a suggestion for dispute resolution! Doesn't it have to be viewable for dispute resolution noticeboard? Do you think that is the best course of action? --Andromedean (talk) 20:31, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

I will instigate an Dispute Resolution then --Andromedean (talk) 06:48, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Reaching out to hajatvrc, Sarah and NtheP ...

Hi folks: From your encouragement, I have completed my draft of my first article. Still don't understand why the reference area where the hyperlinks are, come out in blue. I know they were black on my text ... how to fix that?

Thanks to hajatvrc, I know how to do superscript, will take care of that later after I have all your input.

Hope you enjoy this article as I have enjoyed in researching it, and learning much in the process. Sarah, thanks to you, this is totally different from the list that I first presented by doing a direct translation on dates and posts. Thank You all for your time and any feedback you may have for me. CHHistory (talk) 20:06, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

CHHistory's article is Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Luo Xian Xiang>

Hello CHHistory, your draft is getting close! There are a few formatting issues that could make your life a lot easier though. Instead of using superscript for footnotes, you can footnote automatically like so (thanks to Yunshui for giving this example below):

Gledden started his tennis career relatively late, not picking up a racket until the age of 12 years old in 1986.<ref>Gledden Gets off to winning start / Gledden stars for Yorkshire'' 22nd May 1981 Sheffield Star & Sheffield Telegraph</ref>

Simply type <ref>(Footnote goes here)</ref> after the fact you're footnoting, and make sure you have {{Reflist}} at the end of the article, and your footnotes will automatically file themselves. To give you an example, I fixed the first footnote in your article as a demonstration. Hope this helps! MatthewVanitas (talk) 20:16, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi CHHistory. There is a more automated way to insert inline citations. Click the brackets icon at the top of the edit window and you get a drop down choice of cite templates such as cite web and cite journal. Click one of these and you get a form to fill in. Submit this and the citation is formatted and inserted into the text where the cursor is.--Charles (talk) 21:00, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Matthew and Charles, will make a note of that. Learning continues ... easiest way is best for me as I am a doofus when it comes to coding Many thanks CHHistory (talk) 21:06, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Matthew, I do not understand what's happened. I will have to do this the hard way for now, by inserting superscript as I go along. Thanks for your advice though this is all Greek to me :-( -- the coding that is. CHHistory (talk) 21:27, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Hello CHHistory, if you're not clear on something, let us know what it is and we can clarify. You really do not want to keep using the superscript: it is way harder than using the "ref" tags, because every time you move text around you have to change all the numbers by hand. With ref, I could take Footnote #1 and move it to the middle of the page, and #2 will automatically become #1, and #1 will now be #17 because it's in the middle of the page. All you have to do for the moment is go down to the References where you put, for example #7, and go paste it in place of <sup>7</sup> up in the text, and put <ref> and </ref> tags around it. It will then automatically function as a footnote. Take a look at your page, I have fixed #1 for you as an example to follow. It will make more sense when you see the example.

You mention "I do not understand what's happened". Is this about the changes to your page? I went and cleanup up the intro, but you came back and undid my changes. I understand this is a mistake, but please understand that other editors are trying to help on the page. If someone changes some code/format, it's likely because they are experienced with the standards, so please just trust us on these. :)

To see what other editors are doing to help you, read the "AFC Comments" added to the page, and click the "History" tab to see a list of all the changes made. When you make your own changes, be sure to fill out the "Edit Summary" below your editing window every time to explain what you changed, like "Changed to 1961 photo" or "added footnotes from Smith book". That way other folks helping out can follow changes over time. The article does need some work, but this is a great way for you to learn about the wiki process, and we're here to help. MatthewVanitas (talk) 00:17, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Again, I emphasise that overall this is an article worth keeping and improving on. However, your sourcing needs some work, and a read of WP:Reliable sources. A large number of your cites are to blogs, and both en.wiki and zh.wiki cites, none of which are authoritative. You should never cite to Misplaced Pages itself, but instead use WP:Wikilinks to link to other articles as appropriate. Have you checked GoogleBooks and similar sites for references? Ideally, your footnotes should come from established academic or journalistic sources. I've marked your suspect footnotes (as best as I can tell, since I don't speak Chinese). It will take some time to replace them with WP:RS cites, but again this is definitely an article worth having, and a great chance for you to develop the skills which lead to more and more great articles on Chinese history! MatthewVanitas (talk) 04:52, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Matthew: Many thanks for taking the time with the explanation. Looks like I need a lot more help than I first thought. Modern Chinese history currently does not have a lot of references, especially in English. As noted, I am citing from official releases by the Chinese archives, general rosters, war telegrams and logs whenever I can. I understand that memoirs are still a good source of information, especially for those who participated in that time period are all dying or dead already. That is why I cut and paste portions of the Chinese texts where Law Hin-Cheung was mentioned, so that for those who don't read Chinese, at least could compare the Chinese characters and, as the dates are like ours, they are self evident.

Citation 1 was from a site hosted by a librarian in Denmark. He had been building content for this since 2000; though he was unable to gather much information regarding WWII Chinese Generals, except for the 4 or 5 stars, such as Chiang Kai Shek. The lesser generals or those who lost the struggle, such as, Chan Jiong ming,Governor of Guangdong, and those who were in the trenches fighting the wars, did not have much archived about them in English. Streen, the librarian, does not read Chinese either. It was from than point that I embarked on the journey to hopefully make a difference in that area. I do read, write and understand Chinese fluently.

Questions: • Could I cite from the citations from the same wiki article? • How to change the color from blue for some hyperlinks into black? When in text, the entire article including ref. was in black. Next, why some texts are in red, when colors were never used? How to change all to black to meet wiki standard? • Could I include pdf for citations? For example, with war telegrams, perhaps I can copy and make it into a pdf and included that in the article? Though uncertain what color it will come out. If ok, how should I approach that?

• For citations, do I have to type all these codes: <sup>7</sup> where I will substitute the hyperlink for each of the citations used within the article? In other words, if I use 10 citations, I will have 10 references within those code strings within the article? • All the references will show up at the end under References? I do not need to type up a ref. list. Correct?

Why the subheading Name? Do i need to do anything?

In reference to below, what exactly do I have to do here? Type  ::

at the beginning of the article? and end the entire article with this ? </ref>

Gledden started his tennis career relatively late, not picking up a racket until the age of 12 years old in 1986.<ref>Gledden Gets off to winning start / Gledden stars for Yorkshire'' 22nd May 1981 Sheffield Star & Sheffield Telegraph</ref>

How about your following example? Do I have to change anything for the string below? Where do I place this? Under References?

Simply type <ref>(Footnote goes here)</ref> after the fact you're footnoting, and make sure you have {{Reflist}}

Sorry to have so many questions... bet I will have more … Memoirs can help and be an integral part of understanding what really went on ... I certainly don't know all the facts, but based on extensive reading of close to 100 sources, mainly in Chinese. For citation, I only select where Law Hin-Cheung's name was mentioned, because they will serve as proof or verifiable fact about him. From researching this article, I got some insight on a few of the major characters who got China to where it is today ... However, as a journalist, I only reported the facts and personal opinion was not injected into it. If I did, please advice. I will revise accordingly. Thanks for your help, encouragement and patience. CHHistory (talk) 16:00, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Matthew, you asked that I do not revise your changes. But, Your revision actually took out Law Hin-Cheung's name. Law spoke Cantonese because he was from Guangdong Province. Guangzhou, the capital city, was formerly known as Canton (under British influence and colonization at the time).

The reason why Law or Luo (Last name Cantonese/Mandarin) Hin-Cheung or Xian-Xiang (his given name) is used now because all documents coming out from China, Taiwan use Mandarin Chinese for English phonics. So it is important that both Cantonese Chinese and Mandarin Chinese are used in the beginning.

Further, under the photo, you remove most of his name-- xiang alone does not mean anything. so please put it back. Wonder why you also remove the meaning of his name? Advice please. thx CHHistory (talk) 16:50, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Article to write about

I need to write an article but i have no clue on what to write since most of the articles are want to write about are already on Misplaced Pages. Please help PSHaikali 200724622 (talk) 10:26, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

You could take a look here at the large list of requested articles and see if anything takes your fancy.Theroadislong (talk) 10:34, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

I find the whole "requested articles" list to be a bit big and vague. Many of the Wikiprojects have their own more specialised lists of requested articles. I often find myself looking at the shorter lists like this one:Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Museums/Requested Articles to find articles I'm more interested in.

Another tip is to write a missing article. Search for topics you're interested in, and see if there are some you can't find.

Yet another approach (how I mostly work) is to write articles about things I have good sources for. If I read a good book about a suitable topic, I might then write about that topic, while the subject is fresh and I have the sources to hand.

I think you're in Namibia? How about something on Namibian or African topics? en:WP has a big bias towards European and US topics, so it's good to work on balancing that out.

One thing I would suggest though is that, even if you're on a college course asking you to create an article, then don't create an article just yet! Start out (a couple of dozen edits) by learning to edit well first, through making edits to existing articles. It's hard to create a good article straightaway, so it'll be easier if you're already a bit more experienced.

Remember too that a user sandbox, like User:PSHaikali 200724622/My article, is a good place to start a new article. Get it roughly formatted there and list the source materials before you throw it to the wolves in main article space! It can be a bit bitey out there, if your article isn't thought to be well referenced or notable right from the start.

Good luck with it, and please post links to your work here, if you'd like some advice on how they're going. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:45, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Hello PSHaikali, one other possible way to find article ideas is to read about topics you already enjoy, and watch for "redlinks". That is, wikilinks that show up as red rather than blue, which means they don't have an article to go to. You can go to articles about topics you like, watch for redlinks, and create new articles to expand that topic further and further out, and connecting it to more and more articles. Just one more way of doing it. MatthewVanitas (talk) 13:44, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

In addition to the above suggestion, I'll note that one of my favorite areas on Misplaced Pages is Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles. It has a little bit of an advantage over WP:RA in that most if not all of the needed articles listed there are notable. That said, coincidentally, I created an article yesterday from WP:RA, so it can be done. :) --Moonriddengirl 11:08, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Or, you could improve the articles that are already on Misplaced Pages. There are many articles that are stubs, meaning that they only have about one paragraph and are sometimes little more than a dictionary definition. Those articles aren't really complete articles, so I guess you could call it writing a new article :) –– Anonymouse321 (talk) 15:41, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Link to Wiktionary?

Stuck again. This time on polyphage. -- Is there some way to link directly to Wiktionary definition instead of "normal" link, which goes to inappropriate page (a bacteria). A redirect using polyphagy is actually a misdirect to oligophagy -- and relates to insects.

What I'm looking for is the common (general) usage, as in "many foods" -- or as on Wiktionary:

Noun

polyphage (plural polyphages)

  1. Any animal which can eat a variety of food; an omnivore.

~E 74.60.29.141 (talk) 09:04, 3 October 2012 (UTC) 09:08, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
http://en.wiktionary.org/polyphage
P.s.: why is the definition (above) in a blue box? ~E 74.60.29.141 (talk) 09:40, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Try using namespaces ] for wikt:polyphage

or even the "pipe trick" ] for polyphage

Your paragraph above is indented and boxed because you started its line with some space. If you want indents (and no box), then use a colon instead,like this:

1. Any animal which can eat a variety of food; an omnivore. gives:

  1. Any animal which can eat a variety of food; an omnivore.

: 1. Any animal which can eat a variety of food; an omnivore. gives:

1. Any animal which can eat a variety of food; an omnivore.

Andy Dingley (talk) 10:49, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! I knew there had to be a way. (And I thought copy/pasting a hidden unicode character might have caused the box.) ~E 74.60.29.141 (talk) 19:25, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Point of despair...

Hi Sarah,

Thank you for this link...

I am aware you were one of the editors who looked at my submission for "John Gledden" Professional Tennis Coach.

I have spend nearly 4 months and approximately 6 submissions trying to get this article accepted and I am now at the point I wish I'd not started as I accept I don't know enough about Misplaced Pages or editing, to be qualified to get this article passed for submission.

That said, seeing your link gave me the inspiration for one last shot as I feel my subject is very important and relevant and in a lot of ways unique and inspiring.

My submission has been rejected for not enough information, too much information and many other reasons and I am now pretty much stuck as to where to go next.

Can you help ?

Kind Regards

Janet Knowles - Tennisbuff12345 Tennisbuff12345 (talk) 08:07, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi Janet. Looking at Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/John Gledden I can see that you're getting there; there are only a few things that need doing to fix the article up. The main and most important issue is the referencing. You have assembled an enormous slew of references, which is fantastic, but they need to be cited correctly. To do this, follow these steps:

1. Take a sentence that needs a reference, for example: "Gledden started his tennis career relatively late, not picking up a racket until the age of 12 years old in 1986."
2. Locate one of your sources that provides that information - let's assume that 1981's Gledden Gets off to winning start / Gledden stars for Yorkshire 22nd May 1981 Sheffield Star & Sheffield Telegraph reference tells us that he started playing at age 12.
3. In the body of the article, immediately after the text you want to verify, place the reference between two <ref></ref> tags, like this:

   Gledden started his tennis career relatively late, not picking up a racket until the age of 12 years old in 1986.<ref>Gledden Gets off to winning start / Gledden stars for Yorkshire'' 22nd May 1981 Sheffield Star & Sheffield Telegraph</ref>

4. Do this for as much as the article as possible.
5. Under the "References" header, where you currently have an enormous list of newspaper articles, delete everything (you've already turned them into inline citations). Replace them with the text {{Reflist}} (including the curly brackets). This will create a numbered list of references.

In an ideal world, you would also provide links to online versions of the articles you're referencing, and use a {{cite}} template to format them, but that's best practice rather than a baseline requirement. You also don't necessarily need all of those many references - as long as the information in the text can be verified, that's all that's needed.

Hope this helps, feel free to contact me here or on my talkpage if you need a hand. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:40, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

The menu at the top of the editing window also has a "cite" option, which greatly simplifies the technical aspect of formatting references. --Jayron32 12:55, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Hello Janet, getting started on Wiki can be frustrating if you hit some early friction, so I'm really glad you're coming by to refine your approach before submitting AFC again. Sometimes people re-submit AFC without getting a clear explanation of what needs to be fixed, and get another frustrating Decline. Now that you're here, a few more folks can give more detailed advice.

Yunshui has a great sum-up of how to do footnotes, and proper footnoting, instead of just a collection of articles, would go a long way towards helping the article. I also did a little format fixing for you, especially adding WP:Wikilinks to the first part of your article, so that people can follow those links to, say, the article on that specific 2012 tennis final. Another way to get a good feel for how your article should look is to take a look at a very well-developed article on another person in the field, like Andre Agassi or Serena Williams. Hit "edit" and don't make any changes, but just look at how their code is typed, and article laid out.

One other small thing to check out: since one moves text around a lot trying to get the right wording, you can end up with broken sentences, sentences that repeat themself, etc. So it's good every so often while working on the draft to just sit down and read a section out-loud all the way through, so you can catch the bits that are broken or lose track of sense. Or sometimes it helps just to have someone who hasn't worked on the article (like a non-Misplaced Pages friend) read over a section and make sure it reads smoothly for the casual reader. Having a smooth copyedit, along with proper sourcing, will also really help your article.

It certainly looks publishable, but just check back in with folks as you move forward to make sure it's ready before submitting. Looking better and better! MatthewVanitas (talk) 16:40, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Deletion of my page

Why? Why do some people on here help me, then another say he/she wants to delete it. Why? Just leave it alone. RomfordReject (talk) 05:40, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Hello RomfordReject. Welcome to Misplaced Pages and the Teahouse. I am an administrator, and according to the logs, not a single thing you have done here under this account has been deleted. Have you edited under another account? I'd like to help you out here, but I can't find any evidence of any work done under this account being deleted. --Jayron32 05:46, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Jayron32, I think RomfordReject is talking about this article which was marked for speedy deletion due to notability concerns. Romford, do I have that right? GaramondLethe 05:51, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi all. It was marked for speedy deletion at the very outset, but declined by an administator. However it is now marked with Proposed deletion. I have left some advice for RomfordReject on his talk page (I'm not a host here). Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:33, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Getting GPS location data for articles

I was wondering what the standard way was to get Lat-Lon specs for locations such as mountains, can anyone help? This is my first time posting in the teahouse... Grapeman4 (talk) 04:17, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Greetings, ideally we try to sum up a "quick and easy" introductory answer rather than refer folks to dry policy guidelines, but geographical coordinates are indeed a little technical, so I'm suggest you take a glance at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Geographical coordinates to see what the specialists have to say. If the answer isn't clear to you there, come back and holler and we can try to narrow the answer down a little for you. MatthewVanitas (talk) 04:24, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

A question about censorship

Hi Everyone, I am a new editor and I tried to update the page on Satanic Ritual Abuse (dark place to start, I know. It's one of the things I am studying in school). I found that I was not able to cite some webpages that had a lot of information about Satanic Ritual Abuse. I looked into it further and found out that any perspectives on SRA other than that it was a moral panic based on false memories, are censored from wikipedia. My understanding is that wikipedia is not supposed to censor information, but that as an encyclopedia it is supposed to stay neutral and present all facts and perspectives without adopting language that takes one side of the controversy. If this is true, why are some subjects being censored to present only one perspective? Thank you, LiaJB (talk) 01:25, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Hey, LiaJB, welcome to the Teahouse! If you're referring to this edit, it got removed because (among other things) it's not cited to a reliable source. The website you cited it to is a blog, and thus not reliable. Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia; it does not do original research, and certainly not based on blogs. In fact, none of the websites that the article about Misplaced Pages's "censorship" are reliable sources; this is not because of their stance on Satanic ritual abuse, but because they are all blogs, and blogs are almost never reliable sources, and even when they are, they only count in extremely narrow circumstances. I'm not privy to the rationale behind blacklisting them, but usually this happens because someone is posting inappropriate links to them continuously or in bizarre places, which is a tactic we call linkspamming.

At the end of the day, this is not censorship; this is removing unreliable sources and original research from the encyclopedia, which is one of our tasks. You should also keep in mind that neutral point-of-view does not mean all points of view. Not all points of view get (or should get) equal billing, and some shouldn't get coverage at all, depending on the situation. This is something we call undue weight; we do not put undue emphasis on minority viewpoints by giving them equal attention, or presenting them as equivalent in acceptance to the mainstream. I hope this helps you understand what's going on. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 01:55, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Lia! Thanks for coming to the Teahouse! To expand a bit on what Writ Keeper said, the reason blogs are not considered reliable sources is because they are not fact-checked like newspapers, magazines and books generally are. Hope that helps understand a bit about the policy and also what kind of weight to assign to materials you may read.Gtwfan52 (talk) 02:08, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi Gtwfan52 and Writ Keeper, Thank you for clearing up why I couldn't cite the page, I will only cite fact checked sources from now on.

I am concerned about the idea that some view points don't get any coverage and I am hoping that doesn't apply to victims of abuse. The SRA page has a clear narrative that it has been proven that SRA does not exist and that no one was/is ever victimized by it. There are a lot of issues with this viewpoint. Beyond the fact that the only 'evidence' that survivors stories are false is that they couldn't be proven true, that ideology reinforces the cultural myth that victims make up stories about abuse. If I expand the page with legitimately sourced information that offers an expanded perspective that does not corroborate the current narrative, will the additions be deleted?

Thank you for taking the time to discuss this with me. I appreciate it. LiaJB (talk) 02:36, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Hey LiaJB. Unfortunately, we cannot answer that question for sure without knowing what sources you are going to use. I understand the concern about a cultural stance that victims of abuse (in any category) are making it up. In that article we discuss numerous times that these stories were made up because that is what the reliable sources discuss. It is much more common for academics to show that abuse did not occur in a particular case than to show that it did occur in another. This is not Misplaced Pages's fault, it is just the way things work. If you could link us to sources that you have in mind, we could help you determine whether they are considered reliable on Misplaced Pages. Maybe try Google Books and Google Scholar and get back to us. hajatvrc @ 02:53, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi hajatvrc,

Thanks for the reply. You are right and unfortunately victim blaming and rape excusing are the default in our society right now, but there are some good studies out there. The first that comes to mind is: Goodman, G. S., Quas, J. A., Bottoms, B. L., Qin, J., & Shaver, P. R. (November 01, 1997). Children's Religious Knowledge: Implications for Understanding Satanic Ritual Abuse Allegations. Child Abuse & Neglect: the International Journal, 21, 11, 1111-28.

I am confident that peer reviewed studies are considered reliable sources. My question is more about whether the view point will be censored, even when it comes from a reliable source.

Thank you, LiaJB (talk) 03:16, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Greetings Lisa, I would urge you to, as the Wiki saying goes "Assume good faith". That is, understand that the vast majority of peoples on Misplaced Pages are not out to deliberately censor, defame, vandalise, etc. For such reasons, we strongly discourage anyone from making accusations of such unless ill intent is blatantly evident, like someone dismissing edits with no explanation, clearly being dishonest, etc. It is rather unlikely that there are numerous people out to censor the article, but more likely that for such a sensitive topic people are being real sticklers for the rules, requiring strong sourcing, etc.

So far as your sources, we on this page aren't necessarily here to judge individual arguments so much as give broad advice, but here are a few suggestions:

• "AGF" (assume good faith) and make it a default estimate that most people are generally trying to help each article
• Visit the "Talk" page of the article in question (including any pages linked as "Archives"). On controversial articles, it is very, very common that the same issues are brought up repeatedly over time, so you will be better equipped to make a case if you are familiar with past arguments. Maybe you want to bring up "John Smith"'s book, but in 2010 the editors on that page conceded that Smith's book was self-published and not peer-reviewed, so not admissible. Then again, maybe it was picked up by a major university press and republished in 2012; by being familiar with the past argument and saying "folks, notice a chance since the last time this was discussed, here's new information", you're better equipped to state a case.
• Make statements on talk clear, concise, unemotional, and where possible provide links or clear sourcing details.
• In the end, realise that not every argument can be won here on Misplaced Pages; there's a classic guideline warning of the desire for "Righting Great Wrongs. Fundamentally, if the great majority of published material by professional academics from recognised institutions says Claim X, then Misplaced Pages will have to reflect Claim X. It is always entirely possible that Claim Y is totally accurate, but since Misplaced Pages is a compiler of data, not a decider of data, until Claim Y has risen up to become the primary professional/academic belief, it can't be the focus of an article. Those are fights that have to be fought in the public square, courts, and the media, and only after Claim Y achieves mainstream acceptance would it become the primary narrative on Wiki.

A bit of a complicated situation, and I understand it's a difficult and emotional topic, but hope this helps clarify our rigid focus on maintaining neutrality and using the most (currently) reputable published sources. MatthewVanitas (talk) 04:41, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi LiaJB. Let me commend you for going to the primary literature. That will give you a much more nuanced understanding of any topic, but like most things here there are nuances involved in using them well. The best resources to cite are secondary and tertiary sources: in this case, review articles and textbooks. That extra distance (hopefully) means that a competent editor has gathered together several ideas that have stood the test of time. Primary sources, in this case the original peer-reviewed literature, will contain several ideas that won't end up standing the test of time. For newer work it's hard to tell which is which; for older work citation counts are a rough guide. Google Scholar has only 9 citations to the Goodman article. Compare that to Young 1991 (82 cites) or Victor 1998 (46 cites).

This isn't to say that you can't cite Goodman, but the prominence given to Goodman in the article needs to be proportional to Goodman's prominence in this area (see WP:UNDUE for the gory details). Is the work that Goodman cites better known, perhaps? (By the way, if you are having trouble tracking down obscure or paywalled material, check out WP:RX.)

Best,

GaramondLethe 06:32, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you everyone, for all the feedback. I appreciate all the patient effort in explaining wikipedia policies. I have a better understanding now of how this whole thing works. I'm looking forward to contributing more. Best, LiaJB (talk) 15:38, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

How can one add diacritics?

1) The page on Tian Tian, the giant panda, needs to have diacritics added to the name, Tian Tian. Specifically, there needs to be a short horizontal line over the 'a' both times to show that the word is pronounced with first tone. How does one add diacritics to letters? 2) I am not yet an editor, and I'm not sure if I have the time to learn how to be one. Is there no easy place to post the above need and have someone who is an editor and who knows how to do this make the change? NC Daoist (talk) 22:13, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, NC. First, I disagree that the name needs to be changed. Misplaced Pages's naming convention specifies that English is preferred. On diacritics, the policy says, "The use of modified letters (such as accents or other diacritics) in article titles is neither encouraged nor discouraged; when deciding between versions of a word which differ in the use or non-use of modified letters, follow the general usage in reliable sources that are written in the English language (including other encyclopedias and reference works)." All of the references cited in the Tian Tian article show the name exactly as it is used in Misplaced Pages.

Adding letters with diacritics is easy and requires no special skill. Below the edit window and the "Save page / Preview / Changes" buttons is another button that most likely says "Insert." Click on that button for a drop-down menu and choose "Latin." You will see every variety of mark that is in common use. Just click on the letter or symbol that you want to use and it is added to the end of the text in your edit window. Take care, DocTree (ʞlɐʇ · cont) Join WER 00:51, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi, NC Daoist and Welcome to Teahouse. Firstly, you ARE an editor on Misplaced Pages. You became one of us when you posted your question here. That is all it takes! Regarding your question on diacritics, we have a rather confusing guideline on that. In short, it says whenever possible, use English, and as you know, English doesn't use diacritics. If English sources, when speaking of Tian Tian, don't use diacritics, then we don't on Misplaced Pages either. And since the place where Tian Tian lives, the National Zoo, writes about him without diacritics, then we should too. Hope this helps, and thank you for letting me make my first official reply at Teahouse to you! Gtwfan52 (talk) 00:56, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

• The Manual of Style/China-related articles recommends using Template:Zh to embed the Chinese characters, their pronunciation, and (optionally) their meaning in English in the lede (the first sentence of the article). I will add the Zh template around the Chinese characters, and leave it up to you to add the pronunciation as a homework exercise ;-) If you click on the Tai Shan link in the Tian Tian article then you can see an example of how it is done. This is not the only way to do it; you will notice that the Pearl Buck article uses this template together with Template:Linktext to allow readers to look up the individual characters of her Chinese name in Wiktionary.
• Ideally any foreign language characters embedded in English Misplaced Pages should be embedded inside any of the several foreign language templates including Template:Lang, so that the semantic markup of the web page is correct. Many countries have strict laws about web accessibility. Misplaced Pages also has web accessibility guidelines, but not many editors seem to have heard of them yet. I believe that the Zh and other foreign language templates include the semantic markup functions of Template:Lang, but I haven't confirmed this yet. LittleBen (talk) 15:00, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Will it simplify or confuse things if I copy this back up here? Let's find out heather walls (talk) 01:44, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Where's my answer?

I got a message saying my question was answered here, but I can't find anything that seems tobe an answer. Nothing references my name. This whole Misplaced Pages world is completely opaque and inaccessible to a newcomer. Does the in-crowd want it that way? NC Daoist (talk) 01:21, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Hey, NC Daoist! We don't want it that way, and we try our best not to make it that way, but it's not always easy. Anyway, what happened here is that your question, and the associated answers, got archived, as they were three weeks old (the question was answered on the 10th of September). We archive our questions periodically; we have to, because otherwise the page would get too big and unusable. BUT! The good news is that we archive the questions, not delete them. Your question is still there in our archives! You can see it by following this link. In the future, if something similar happens, you can search our archives by going to the box labeled "archives", clicking on "show", and then entering your name into the search box. That'll give you all the questions you've asked or replied to from our archives. Hope this helps! Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 01:39, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The message was posted to you 9 September. The section has been archived at Misplaced Pages:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 41#How can one add diacritics? I found it by entering your username in the search box which appears if "Show" is clicked at "Previous questions" to the right. Note however that the interface has changed since the post by DocTree. If you don't see the feature DocTree refers to then it may reappear (possibly higher on the page) on Thursday, or if you disable "Enable enhanced editing toolbar" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing. You may currently have a link saying "Special characters" above the edit box. The appearance of some things depend on your browser and settings. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:40, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

I moved the original question back to the front page, hope that helps. heather walls (talk) 01:45, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Why can't I copy-lock?

Why can't I copy lock my pages I made, such as my User Page?

Thank you in advance. Foope (talk) 21:12, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Hello Foope; I'm not totally clear what you mean by "copy lock". Do you mean make it so other people can't edit it (not generally done), or something else? Can you clarify what you're trying to do, or what problem you're encountering, in detail? Thanks! MatthewVanitas (talk) 21:25, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm sorry. I mean to make it so I can only edit that particular page so that vandalism doesn't occur. And clearly I messed up the question. What I meant was HOW do I copy-lock. I'm sorry if I mislead you. Foope (talk) 21:36, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Foope, sorry but you can't. No one owns a page, any page is open to any editor to edit, whether the edits remain or not is another matter but the right to edit is absolute. Vandalism fighting is an ever present activity but pages don't get permanently locked down. Pages can be protected for certain periods for certain reasons but not for prolonged periods. NtheP (talk) 21:45, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

I believe that in this case, Foope may be referring to protection of their userpage -- something which may, if it has been vandalized, be done. See this page, also linked above for details on how to request it. Theopolisme 21:51, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

The page User:Foope has so far only been edited by Foope and will not be protected on request. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:56, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Well, thanks anyways guys. Sorry to disturb you. Foope (talk) 00:14, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

No worries, that's what this page is for. Just for your awareness in case it does come up, if someone is repeatedly vandalising any page, and you've tried erasing ("reverting") their edits, sent them "hey, please don't do that" messages, etc. and they keep going, there's a page called Misplaced Pages:Vandalism in progress where you can get vandalism shut down. Note that it's only for blatant vandalism (insults, obscenity, disruption, etc) and not just disagreements, and it's only for things happening constantly and ongoing, not just something that annoys for a few minutes. But if it's a good "in case of emergency, break glass" tool if you need it. MatthewVanitas (talk) 04:45, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

stuff

why cant i edit info on here???????????70.184.205.2 (talk) 19:57, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Hey, 70! The answer to that depends on what info you're trying to edit. Can we get a page name? Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 19:59, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Translation - new page

Hi! I translated an article from Misplaced Pages in Portuguese, which still does not exist in the English Misplaced Pages. How can I put this article in Misplaced Pages in English? Thank you for your attention. USAnne (talk) 18:58, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi USAnne, welcome to the Teahouse. We can give more precise instructions if you tell the exact Portuguese title and which English title you want. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:22, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Bom dia e bem vindo! What you'll want to do is just type the title for your English article into the search box on English Misplaced Pages, and when it gives the error message saying "this article doesn't exist", select the option "Create article". Then you can just paste in your text in English.

Don't forget to provide an WP:Interlanguage link going back to the Portuguese version, like this: ], for example, if you wanted to link from History of Iceland to the Portuguese version (the "pt:" is for Portuguese). Place this code at the bottom of the English article with the pt.wiki article exactly as shown in the title on Portutguese Misplaced Pages, and it'll create a link. Later an automated 'bot will come by and make the link two-way, and add any other links tying in already.

I answered some other translation questions a few down from here, coincidentally for someone translating English to Portuguese, so maybe check that advice too. You can also check out Misplaced Pages:Translation for more suggestions. Glad to have more translators helping out! MatthewVanitas (talk) 19:24, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you guys! I'll follow your instructions! --USAnne (talk) 19:31, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

No worries, note some other questions with translation advice recently that might be worth checking out for ideas: links to-from French and translating to Portuguese. MatthewVanitas (talk) 19:34, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm a PR professional wishing to suggest changes to a client page. Can someone advise

Hello

My names is Paul Smith, I am the content director of an independent PR agency in the UK.

In line with CIPR guidelines I wish to suggest amends to a client page http://en.wikipedia.org/Princes_(company)

Could an editor advise? The current content is a stub so what I wish to suggest should enhance it. It has been written in an independent fashion, not as marketing material.

Paul PaulSmith77 (talk) 16:41, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Hello Paul! Welcome to Misplaced Pages and to the Teahouse! We definitely appreciate that you wish to help improve any articles here. You're taking the correct approach in declaring your conflict-of-interest here (see Misplaced Pages:Conflict of interest, and it looks like you wish to go about this the correct way. The thing Misplaced Pages needs is references so that any information in the article can be verified. So, if you have suggestions you'd like to make about changes or additions to the article, the absolute best thing you can do is provide links to source material so we can verify the sorts of additions or changes you'd like to make. The best sort of sources are reliable and independent sources; that is sources which have a long-standing reputation for reliability (Well respected newspapers, journals, magazines, books written by recognized experts, websites of equivalent standing) and sources which aren't written by someone affiliated with the subject. Some basic information (such as basic data, like where they are located, the number of employees, who the CEO is, etc.) can probably be cited to the company's own press releases and documentation, but for any of the really in-depth writing that makes a quality encyclopedia article, it should come from truly independent sources. Does this all help answer your questions? --Jayron32 16:56, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

When will I get a response?

I entered a site called Ziff Properties Inc. about a month ago and was told then that my site was #603 to be reviewed. Should I wait, or have I not entered the material correctly? sghoffius Sghoffius (talk) 15:22, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Hey, Sghoffius, welcome to the Teahouse! I don't see anything in your contributions list related to an article named that (and no deleted contributions, either); did you perhaps create it while you were logged out, or under a different username? It'll be hard for us to help without being able to track down and look at the article itself. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 15:34, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

how to add a French version of a English page.Louki23 (talk) 14:03, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

how to add a French version of a English page.Louki23 (talk) 14:03, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Bonjour, to add an inter-language link, simply copy the title of the target article, and place it in brackets with the code for the target language before it. For example, if I want to link History of Louisiana to Histoire de la Louisiane, I would go to the bottom of History of Louisiana and type ], type a note like "add French link" in the Edit Summary, and save. Now the English article will have a link to the French article in its left margin.

There are 'bots which wander the language links and make them reciprocal, so you shouldn't have to make one from French to English by hand, the 'bot should see the English->French and make it go both ways. Similarly, if the English version has a link to a German equivalent article, the 'bot should also copy that to the French. If you need more information, the full guideline is Misplaced Pages:Interlanguage links. Does that answer your question? MatthewVanitas (talk) 14:23, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

How to find out who and why a submission was removed.

Hi there,

I had added some infomation to the wikipedia entrey on Fractal art .. and noticed that one of my entry was deleted .. and trying to findout if it was because i did not meet some guidlines or somethign else..

Here is the link to the article. http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Fractal_art&action=history

Afrohealer 13:18, 2 October 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Afrohealer (talk • contribs)

Hi Afrohealer. Judging from the edit history, the editor who removed your information said that the source you cited didn't actually contain the information you added- that the Ted Talk you referenced didn't reference Fractal art. Given that I haven't actually listened to the Ted Talk in question, I can't speak for the Misplaced Pages editor's decisions, but you might want to contact the editor at his/her talk page if you believe this was in error. Alternatively, if you have another source with a clearer link to the info you'd like to include, you might want to include that instead. Hope this helps! RunnerOnIce (talk) 14:58, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Talk page-centric editors

G'day everyone, I've not been here before, I've been aware that the Teahouse exists but have been merrily editing my little heart out elsewhere until I recently ran into a brick wall. I've been on WP since November last year. Recently I've struck an editor that seems to be keen on identifying what they consider to be deficiencies in an article I recently co-promoted to FA. I feel a level of stewardship towards the article partly because I helped get it there, but also because it is in a space where particular points of view are pretty vociferous. In any case, I hope I am not at the stage of WP:OWN. This particular editor has been on WP a lot longer than me, and they make a lot of criticisms on the talk page, but then essentially refuse to edit in the article space at all. I'm finding this very disruptive, and it is really impacting on my enjoyment of WP. Do you have any suggestions as to how I might deal with this situation? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Peacemaker67 (talk) 10:58, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Are the criticisms helpful, i.e. is the other user pointing out valid flaws? If so, then perhaps take is as a friendly (but annoying) bit of criticism and use them as a tool to improve your article. :) If the other user is not pointing out valid flaws, then try just ignoring him. Eventually the other user will likely get bored and go away. Sometimes people have difficulty communicating online, since other online people can't see body language -- sometimes a terse message is all that a given user has time to post. There's no rule against someone pointing out a problem (or problems) then not joining in to fix those problems, Misplaced Pages takes help where it can get it and if a person only points out problems without fixing them, well, hopefully they're contributing in their own way to making articles better, since there's always room for improvement. I hope this helps. :) Please let me know on my user talk page if you'd like more help from me. Banaticus (talk) 08:56, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

I have to create an entry for a class project, and I don't know where to begin...

I need helpCaptainhastingsinusa (talk) 05:45, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

I've posted on your Talk page a welcome message which has links to some basic introductions to wikipedia, as well as to the Article Wizard, which is a guided form you can use to start drafting an article. Those guidelines should be enough to get you started, though personally my main piece of advice would be Sources come first. Since everything on Misplaced Pages has to be WP:Verifiable, you don't want to sit down and start writing until you have, on hand, materials you can cite. If you start without any sources, just going off of "things I know in my head", you might find yourself unable to prove that things in the article are true, and the article could be chopped up or deleted. The best and strongest articles are where you can trace each statement back to a WP:Reliable source, like a respected magazine, newspaper, or book.

Can you tell us a little bit about what you'd like to write about, so we can give you some ideas as to how to attack the idea? And do yourself a favour and glance at the basic materials I posted on your Talk, just to get an idea of how Misplaced Pages works on a basic level. MatthewVanitas (talk) 06:06, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

setting or changing subject for a draft article

Hi,

I've been working on an article for a small sailing dinghy and am now in the stage of submitting it for review.

My question is: Where is the name of the article set? Is there a template for this? I've only see a place to indicate a subject for an article (i.e. the title at the top of an article page) in the article wizard.

I've seen references to creating an article in your user page but I don't know know to do this.

Should I just take by current draft and start fresh with the article wizard?

Seattleseascooter (talk) 05:31, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi Seattleseascooter, welcome to the Teahouse. If Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Seattle Sea Scooter is accepted then the reviewing editor will decide the title. The current pagename indicates the suggested title is "Seattle Sea Scooter". Your account is autoconfirmed so you can change that by moving the page. Please don't remove old declines. I have restored it. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:30, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi PrimeHunter, Thanks for clearing this up for me. I do want to do things correctly. Where, when or how would I suggest a slightly different name? Seattleseascooter (talk) 17:45, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

You don't have to suggest it first. It's still a draft and you wrote it so nobody would object if you changed the draft name (the reviewer may still choose another name if the draft is accepted). My first post had a link on "moving the page". The procedure is explained there. Or you can just click this direct link to move it: Special:MovePage/Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Seattle Sea Scooter. Only change the part saying "Seattle Sea Scooter". PrimeHunter (talk) 19:15, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Help with editing

I need help with talking to editors and to learn how to edit properly. I've edited Istanbul and Mexico City but editors seem not to like my contribuitions. I want to argue my views or to ask for help for them to give a proper editing. I've been accused by uploading low quality pictures...can someone help me? User:DIbra

moved this from the profiles heather walls (talk) 03:36, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

If you want to discuss any article, just look for the "Discussion/Talk" tab at the top of the page. Clicking that will take you to a page where you can see past discussions, and/or start a new one (click the "new section" button to start a new section, and newest questions go at the bottom of the page). MatthewVanitas (talk) 04:21, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi Dibra! Yup, what Matthew said is probably one of the best things - stop by the talk page and bring up your concerns there. Or, you can also ping the editors who are changing your edits on their talk page. Thanks for your efforts, and I hope communicating a bit more about your contributions - or the subjects that interest you - can help. Feel free to stop by if we can help you with something even more specific than this! SarahStierch (talk) 06:11, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

format?

How do I do cool formatting on my page? All I know is how to do standard text. Can I do color? Different font sizes? Pictures?

Thanks for the help

Prettybirdie (talk) 01:58, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Click here to go to a page that has some tips to get started. –– Anonymouse321 (talk) 02:46, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi Prettybirdie! That is a great guide, that Anonymouse, shared with you. If you get overwhelmed or need any specific tips of the trade, just ask us. I'm sure some of the hosts here can give you some of their favorite tips :) I'm pretty simple with my design, but, others are more savvy. Welcome, and I can't wait to see what you do with your userpage! :) SarahStierch (talk) 06:08, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

edit a defaced article

hello , i recently looked up an article on the Black Panther Party, and right on the side where there logo is next to the entry:founded, there was a derogatory remark. when i looked in the editor, it does not appear. How do i go about removing this? My guess is that the image file for the logo may be the culprit. 2602:306:C84E:8B69:61BD:5E32:E079:1E93 (talk) 21:26, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi there, and welcome to Misplaced Pages and the Teahouse. Great job at looking out for vandalism. It looks like a robot came along and cleaned it up. Wikipedians have created robots that track certain words (often vulgar/derogatory words) that are added to articles and the bot then cleans it up. So it looks like it's gone. This has a pretty lengthy break down about vandalism and getting involved in tracking it, if you're interested. It's a dirty job, but someone has to do it :) SarahStierch (talk) 21:31, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

There is something odd going on here, I'm seeing the same as the original poster and am seeing the content before Cluebot's reversion - this is even after I've cleared my browser cache and I'm still seeing it when I use a different device to access the page altogether. NtheP (talk) 21:43, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Add now this is getting truly bizarre. I thought that reverting to the version prior to the vandalism might do the trick so I used rollback to do this. It appears to have sorted the problem but now my rollback edit doesn't appear in either the article history or my contributions? Baffling! NtheP (talk) 21:48, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

That is very weird. I don't see a thing! SarahStierch (talk) 21:57, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

If you don't appear to be seeing the current version of a page then try to bypass your cache and if that doesn't work then purge the page. NtheP, if you revert to a version identical to the current version then your edit will be a null edit which is not recorded, but it will purge the page. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:13, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Request for comments on first article, and thanks

Parable of the sunfish has been mouldering in my sandbox, so I've finally taken the plunge and posted it to mainspace. I've hung out here long enough to know that I probably should have gone through WP:AfC, but, well, I'm stubborn. Comments are welcome at Talk:Parable of the sunfish (even if the comment is "No, you really ought to have gone through WP:AfC...").

Many, many thanks to everyone here, both the folks who answered my questions and the people who asked good questions that prodded me to see if I could figure out the answers. The teahouse was a huge help in getting me comfortable editing, and I really appreciate that.

Best,

GaramondLethe 14:14, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

PS: I used the "Ask a question" button and this landed at the bottom of the page. Did the convention change since I was here last? GaramondLethe 14:44, 1 October 2012 (UTC) Moved to top. GaramondLethe 16:38, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

That's an interesting piece; I was going to add a WP:WikiProject to it, but wasn't quite even sure what it would fall under. Maybe can you pick a few WProjects to link it to? MatthewVanitas (talk) 19:04, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I thought I would take a stab at adding categories first but something went terribly wrong and only the first one has a live link. I've read the faq to no avail. Could you take a look and let me know what I've done wrong? Thanks! GaramondLethe 19:44, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

GL, welcome back, I've fixed all the categories. In all cases the issue was the same, you had capitalised a word that should have been lower case, for example you put Category:Literary Theory instead of Category:Literary theory hence all the redlinked categories. If you don't already use it I'd suggest you switch on Misplaced Pages HotCat via the gadgets tab in Special:Preferences, it's a really easy tool to use that allows easy addition of categories either singly or in batches and helps you to avoid this type of capitalisation issue as it previews the results for you. NtheP (talk) 20:30, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

NtheP: I could have stared at that all day and not figured that out. I'll definitely have a look at hotcat as well. MatthewVanitas, someone already beat me to it; looks like it's part of the Literature wikiproject now. Thanks to you both! GaramondLethe 22:02, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

redirection of existing sites and alternative names

I have started to generate a wikipage "adhesion-GPCRs". This new page will completely encorpaorate an existing incomplete article "adhesion GPCRs". Can I simply delete the old article which is now completely redundunt. Also do I need to create pages for all alternative names and redirect them to the new site? I would like to redirect adhesion-GPCR, adhesion GPCR, adhesion GPCRs to the main site of "adhesion-GPCRs"Martstacey (talk) 16:35, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Okay, so your new article is Adhesion-GPCRs (it helps us a lot if you actually link the articles in question)? So far as creating redirects, WP:Redirect covers the basic, but yes, you can just type any alternate names/spellings into the search box, and then start a new "article" saying only #REDIRECT ].

So redirect is easy. My concern, however, is that you say " This new page will completely encorpaorate an existing incomplete article". By that do you mean an article from your sandbox, or a full wiki article that you think wasn't written thoroughly enough, or what? I just want to make sure you didn't just blank an article entirely, because if you do that we lose track of its History. If there's a little article labele "Amce" and I'm writing a much more expansive "Acme Corporation" but will use most of "Acme" in it, the preferred way to do it is use the WP:MOVE function to move "Acme" to "Acme Corporation" and then build upon that stub. That way the History will still show the years that "Acme" developed before it was incorporated.

If you've already cut-pasted or wiped an existing article, which you really don't want to do, we can get an administrator to merge Histories through Misplaced Pages:How to fix cut-and-paste moves, so let us know if we need to run that. MatthewVanitas (talk) 19:10, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

First Article - Problems with Notability Earlier - Now Book is Published - Notable?

Hey everyone, I'm looking for a little feedback on an article I've been working on. It's my first, though I had tried earlier to get the same thing going but was told it wasn't notable. The mods had mentioned that I should wait until the book is published. The book got published and so I started anew! I'm just wondering what I need to work on, I'm thinking encyclopedic language might be an issue, and if this isn't the place to ask, a nudge in the right direction would be wonderful! Here's the link - ]

Thanks! Kingofbreaker (talk) 16:13, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Greetings KoB, the article is looking quite close to something publishable (though don't forget to fix the WP:link rot in your footnotes). Have you read Misplaced Pages:Notability (books) just to make sure you're checking off all the items on the list before publishing? You're definitely quite close if not already there. Also take a glance at WP:Fair use and recognise that you can upload one image of the book cover to Misplaced Pages (not to Wikimedia) to illustrate the infobox, as is common practise. MatthewVanitas (talk) 16:29, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Salutations Matthew and thanks a ton, I'm gonna check on the rot, the book notability checks out, and I've got a picture for fair use so... Yeah I think I'm almost good to go! Thanks a ton sir. 00:14, 2 October 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 35.13.85.85 (talk)

No worries, when it's ready to go you can just use the WP:Move button to move it from your sandbox to "article space". If your account hasn't been granted Move privileges yet, you can probably ask here, or pretty much any established editor, and they can Move it for you when it's ready. MatthewVanitas (talk) 06:09, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi, My page submission has been declined

Hi,

My page has been declined for the reason mentioning "This submission's references do not adequately evidence the subject's notability" How can I know where my article is short of referencing or which part of my article neeeds more referencing. Your help is greatly appreciated.

Kind Rgds ASK

Rana 1480 (talk) 15:23, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

You're referring to Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Stanhope Capital LLP? Taking a look at it, you've not a bad start, but you have some basic formatting issues: don't bold names except for the very first occurrence of the title term, use a bullet (type an "*") before each item in a list, need to use full WP:Citations instead of just titles, etc.

More importantly, you need to read Misplaced Pages:Notability (companies and corporations) in detail. Right now you do have a few footnotes to evidence Notability (that is, to show that academic/media sources consider the subject worth writing about), but a lot of your sources are to the company itself, or other financial entities, who probably are not WP:Reliable sources in terms of providing neutral perspective. Also, though the article isn't terribly commercial, it does lean a bit towards advertising/promotion. For example, it's not clear why such a lengthy list of Publications are included for a financial firm.

Read the mentioned guideline documents (should be quick reads) and ponder those a bit. And also go through the article with an objective eye, and try to "catch" yourself saying anything that could be interpreted as advertising the company, or that sounds more like a company's "About Us" page than a neutral article. Hope this helps! MatthewVanitas (talk) 19:16, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and since this is your only page, and it's for a finance firm, might I guess you're involved with the firm somehow? That's not totally forbidden, but requires a lot of QC to maintain neutrality, so please ensure you read WP:Conflict of interest. Not a whole ton of folks making new articles about bankers, etc. that aren't somehow involved with the company. MatthewVanitas (talk) 19:18, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages on iPad

I can access ALL articles on my laptop as well as my desktop computers. When doing a search on the ipad I get a response that "no articles could be found". That is on the iStore Misplaced Pages app

Please help!!41.145.53.126 (talk) 10:34, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi. I suggest you visit an Apple online forum or visit a physical store to seek the answer to this question. This space is for editors to discuss how to learn the ropes of Misplaced Pages. Thanks. -- Trevj (talk) 12:25, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Even though I am a registered user with all of one article to my anonymous self

Even though I am a registered user and I understand I can post my new article myself, I have not because I am concerned that it will be deleted outright if I skip the review procedure. Am I being ludicrous? Article in question is http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:Clover_Forest_or_Clover_Forest_Plantation Thanks, Van Aldenhaag (talk) 01:11, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi Van Aldenhaag, that's a very comprehensive article you've written! There is no reason why you can't move your article to the main article space but, like you suggest, the article would then be open to editing by everyone else. Personally I would question how much of the article is based on published sources and how much is 'original research' from unpublished documents. Original research shouldn't be published on Misplaced Pages. The Goochland Deed Book and the Land Patent Book sound to me like original documents, therefore not appropriate sources for Misplaced Pages. Recollections collected by Sebastian Volcker also sounds like original unpublished research (if it has been published we will need to know where). In addition there seems to be quite a bit of off-topic content, particularly some of the biographical information about the occupants(?). Lastly, because Clover Forest is currently a commercial business you have to be mindful of not to be seen as using Misplaced Pages for advertising purposes. Maybe you could wait for an experienced editor to review the article at AfC and get a second opinion? Best of luck! Sionk (talk) 01:59, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Sionk, still trying to find my Wiki legs, I am thinking that Deed Books and patent books are published sources though the copies in circulation might be very low but the information in those have been published too so I think that is safe. The recollections are a tough one indeed, hopefully there is a way to make that work. I am weary and aware of the potential publicity angle which is why I kept the last 34 years to the very basics and focused on the 19th century inhabitants of the house which you think might be off topic! Man it is a subtle game to write for Wiki! I shall indeed wait for an experienced editor! Thanks for the feed back.Van Aldenhaag (talk) 02:43, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Of course, I mean another experienced editor ;) The 'No original research' policy of Misplaced Pages is non-negotiable. If the sources have been published you'll need to provide enough information to enable someone else (theoretically) to find them, if needed. Sionk (talk) 11:44, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Cropping photos

Hello, I just want to know how you crop photos on Misplaced Pages. Do you have any suggestions? BeasttoBeast 23:07, 30 September 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by BeasttoBeast (talk • contribs)

Hi there. I am no Wiki expert but I crop/prep my pictures before uploading. Any graphics program should work.Van Aldenhaag (talk) 00:20, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi BeasttoBeast. I suggest downloading GIMP, the GNU Image Manipulation Program. It is a powerful (and free) open source image editing program. If you do, here's a short video tutorial specifically on how to crop an image. I see another interpretation of your question; if the issue is about how to crop a photo that is already in use on Misplaced Pages (or alternatively, is used here but is actually hosted on the Wikimedia Commons), please advise including telling us the name of the file, and we can give additional advice for that situation. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:47, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Note too, if you look at a Wikimedia or Misplaced Pages image file, it shows the History of the image as it's been modified over time. For example, I uploaded File:Manxlabourparty.jpg, realised it would look better cropped, and then re-uploaded the cropped version over the old one, so instead of having competing files, I have one File:Manxlabourparty.jpg filename that has several adaptations of the same graphic. The only thing I'd caution is that if you're modifying an image someone else uploaded you may want to check with them first before making an update, or deliberately make a separate file (like his was "Tower of Pisa" and your cropped is "Tower of Pisa - left crop") to not throw off some other article. MatthewVanitas (talk) 16:34, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Pictures

I'd like to add graphics to the page (e.g. flow diagrams, charts). I can see that some pages have a little note on the picture (e.g. "Courtesy of ... www...."), some pages avoid that but the source is specified on the Licensing page. What is acceptable? What should be avoided? Thank you. NewBridge11 (talk) 18:54, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi NewBridge11. Supply any such credits, text, licensing, etc. on the image page and not in the image itself. From Misplaced Pages:Image use policy: "Do not put credits in images themselves." "If you create an image that contains text, please also upload a version without any text." ... "Free images should not be watermarked, distorted, have any credits in the image itself or anything else that would hamper their free use." From Commons:Watermarks "Adding your name directly to the photograph when uploading is strongly discouraged. It detracts from the quality of photographs, and generally the thumbnails used on pages are so small the text is not visible anyway." Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:55, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi, yes, generally attribution is on the image page with the licensing details. Rich Farmbrough, 11:06, 1 October 2012 (UTC).

translating pages

How do I translate a page from Misplaced Pages EN to another language? Pgcysneiros (talk) 14:40, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

By this, are you asking, for example, how if there's an En.wiki article "1927 Smith Motors coupe" and there's no equivalent at Fr.wiki (French language Misplaced Pages), how can you create one? If so, great question, and I do a lot of that.

• First, identify your target language (again using French as an example). Try searching for the term/keywords you want to write about to make sure they don't already have an article about "1927 Smith Motors coupe".
• Once you're sure there's no article on the 1927 and Fr.wiki needs one, all you'd need to do is, same as here, go to fr.wikipedia.org type in "1927 Smith Motors coupe", select the "Create page" option when it can't find the article, and start in writing in French. If you're literally translating part of all of the En.wiki article, make sure you apply a Template:Translated page template to the Talk page of the target article, so people know where the info came from originally. Template:Translated page is for English pages, but note if you scope out the left-hand margin of that page, there are equivalent Templates in most other Wiki languages.
• Not official method, but what I like to do for convenience is copy-paste the whole en.wiki version into MS Word, translate all or part of it (don't forget to find the equivalent templates, infoboxes, etc on the target language wiki), and then paste it in to the target language. Again making sure you mark the Talk page for it being a translation, and add a wikilink to the English version (type ] at the bottom of the page; a 'bot should eventually come along and make the link two-way and link the article to any other language versions already linked to the en.wiki version.
• Misplaced Pages:Translate us and Misplaced Pages:Translation give some useful advice. Do bear in mind, don't just use GoogleTranslate and dump the text in without checking it, as gTranslate is basically never clean enough to just produce a clear article. So it can be acceptable to get started out, but requires careful quality control before launching the new translated article.

Does this give you somewhere to start? MatthewVanitas (talk) 00:21, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Matthew. Your answer will be very helpful. My purpose is to translate from en to pt (of course, I am the translator). Pgcysneiros — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pgcysneiros (talk • contribs) 23:05, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Legal; voce pretenta traduzir artigos do cual assunto? Eu fiz varias traduccoes (pt->en) da historia i cultura da Angola e Cabo Verde, os quais tems varios artigos utils em Portuguese. Lembra-se, depois de traduzir um aritculo en-pt, utiliza-se desta template no pagina de Discussao do artigo novo, pra indicar o origem do material: pt:Predefinição:Traduzido. Alem disso, o proceso de traduccao d'um Wiki ao otro e' bem facil. So tem de cortesia de marcar "Traduzido" e prover um wikilink ao articulo correspondente no en.wiki. Deixe-me um messagem se tem qualquer outras perguntas em quanto a traduccao (e disculpa as minhas errorers, as minhas abilidades em Portugues sao oxidados...). MatthewVanitas (talk) 06:15, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Warning of NSFW and shock site links?

I wrote the page Autopsy images of Ngatikaura Ngati. By the nature of the content, there are a number of links in the references which point to sites which are variously traumatic, offensive, NSFW and deliberately shocking. Is there are standard warning or template that I should be using? Stuartyeates (talk) 22:19, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi Stuartyeates, welcome to the Teahouse. There should be no warning on links. The article Autopsy images of Ngatikaura Ngati could also contain autopsy images when it's so relevant to the article subject. See WP:NOTCENSORED and Misplaced Pages:No disclaimers in articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:00, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

As the main contributor to the article, I don't see that the images would add anything to the article. Stuartyeates (talk) 23:11, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, there's no mandate to add potentially shocking imagery, even if there's an argument for its relevance. That's up to the judgement of the editors involved. Nice work, by the way! - J-Mo _{Email Me} 01:10, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi. This actually disgusted me so much that I've now uploaded one of the images under fair use criteria. There may be justification for including at child abuse (as an extreme case) too. -- Trevj (talk) 12:50, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

How to correct a link pointing to paid content

In the article "USS Ponce (LPD-15)", reference # 5 (concerning the 2011 relief of the ship's C.O. & X.O. as the result of a hazing inquiry) points to a Newport News Daily News article that is freely available from a search engine; however, the link provided by the said reference (http://articles.dailypress.com/2011-04-23/news/dp-nws-ponce-commander-20110423_1_command-hazing-incidents-amphibious-transport-dock-ship) re-directs to a "restricted, paid content" advisory window when directly accessed via this link. Dismissing the advisory window results in re-direction to the site's current page. Any attempt to archive the page via The WebCite Consortioum service yields a similar result. Being loathe to violate the copyright protection this organization has enabled for the content they have produced (and believing that the fact that this paid content advisory being absent when the same page is located via the Bing search engine merely reflects the organization's recognition that public access in this form is in their best interest, but also believeing that archiving a search engine's "cached" page & thereby providing a valid link to this information for the afore-said article may be viewed askance), I am sadly unaware of how to proceed. Should I simply mark the link "dead", & let the bots search for an adequate solution? Should I contact the news site & question and ask for an exertion of effort to add this link to their "trusted" status? Any advice & help I might find with this dilemma will be---as always---greatly appreciated! Happy editing!Tech77 (talk) 02:57, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Something like <ref>{{citation|title=Commander, executive officer of USS Ponce relieved of command after hazing inquiry|last=Lessig|first=Hugh|date=April 23, 2011|accessdate=September 29, 2012|publisher=Daily Press Media Group|url=http://articles.dailypress.com/2011-04-23/news/dp-nws-ponce-commander-20110423_1_command-hazing-incidents-amphibious-transport-dock-ship}}</ref> ?

In other words, the absence or presence of a paywall, or its exact mechanics, does not affect your ability to cite the source. (see WP:PAYWALL). Whether the url in the citation I just provided works or not (it happens to work for me, today), the citation is still valid. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 23:38, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Important to note that linking to a search engine's cache is always a bad idea, as these are ephemeral.

Citation and linking are two different things often rolled into one, if the link is behind a pay-wall it is fairly common to add "(subscription needed)". Rich Farmbrough, 11:46, 1 October 2012 (UTC).

Non-stop Vandalism on Sport Club Corinthians Paulista

help this page has been a constant victim of Vandalism from envious soccer hooligans. I have authored the majority of the page, & have provided sufficient citations 129 supporting my non-controversial fact on the history & culture of my club. I suspect the majority of the vandalism is coming from our rivals who are set to become relegated this season. Please is there anyway I can have a control over this page so that only wiki users, & not IP addresses may edit this page? I can't keep cleaning the site every hour 1dayFloripa (talk) 09:23, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi! The page has been semi-protected so that only autoconfirmed users may edit it. In the future, you can request page protection at WP: RFPP. Cheers! --v/r Electric Catfish (talk) 15:17, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

My article is in pending for review

how much time it takes for review of an article ?? 2ndly how can make this review process fast?? ... thnkyew

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