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	:::Putting something on the pending list does not prevent a similar article being chosen in advance - it would make the scheduler's job far too onerous. In terms of non-European faces at TFA, and assuming your question wasn't rhetorical, the forthcoming TFA ] has a photograph of Suzuki (of Japanese heritage), the TFA on November 3 had a picture of the Indian king ], the October 19 TFA had a photograph of a Chinese-American litigant, the next day's TFA was of ] from Indonesia, a few days later came ] of possible Egyptian background, etc - so the TFA slot is not quite an all-white preserve. ]] 19:42, 14 November 2012 (UTC)		:::Putting something on the pending list does not prevent a similar article being chosen in advance - it would make the scheduler's job far too onerous. In terms of non-European faces at TFA, and assuming your question wasn't rhetorical, the forthcoming TFA ] has a photograph of Suzuki (of Japanese heritage), the TFA on November 3 had a picture of the Indian king ], the October 19 TFA had a photograph of a Chinese-American litigant, the next day's TFA was of ] from Indonesia, a few days later came ] of possible Egyptian background, etc - so the TFA slot is not quite an all-white preserve. ]] 19:42, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
	*'''Points''' As original editor, I believe this has '''-1''' because, though December 4 is the date of death, the FA was promoted less than a year ago, and there has recently been another aviator on TFA, penalizing this one. —]<sup>]</sup> 12:49, 14 November 2012 (UTC)		*'''Points''' As original editor, I believe this has '''-1''' because, though December 4 is the date of death, the FA was promoted less than a year ago, and there has recently been another aviator on TFA, penalizing this one. —]<sup>]</sup> 12:49, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

			=== 5 December 2012 ===
			==== Alexis Bachelot ====
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			''']''' ], (1796–1837) was a ] best known for his tenure as the first ]. In that role, he led the first permanent Catholic ] to the ]. Bachelot was raised in France, where he attended the ], and was ordained a priest in 1820. He led the first Catholic mission to Hawaii, arriving in 1827. Although he had expected the approval of then Hawaiian King ], he learned upon arrival that Kamehameha II had died and a new government that was hostile towards Catholic missionaries had been installed. Bachelot, however, was able to convert and then quietly minister to a small group of Hawaiians for four years before being deported in 1831 on the orders of ], the '']'' (a position similar to ]) of Hawaii. Bachelot then traveled to California, where he served as an assistant minister while pastoring and teaching. In 1837, having learned of Queen Kaʻahumanu's death and King ]'s willingness to allow Catholic priests on the island, Bachelot returned to Hawaii, intending to continue his missionary work. However, by Bacehlot's arrival, Kamehameha III had again changed his mind and Bachelot was removed from the island and confined to a ship for several months. He was freed only after the French and British navies imposed a naval blockade on the Honolulu harbor. Although he was later able to secure passage on a ship to ], he died en route and was buried on an islet near ]. His treatment in Hawaii prompted the ] to dispatch a frigate to the island; the resulting intervention is known as ] and led to the emancipation of Catholics in Hawaii. (])</div></div>

			:from pending requests, again. I will provide point calculation once I get a convincing reason what purpose they serve. --] (]) 18:14, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
			::Perhaps you should try rebutting the factors made in the discussion about them on the talk page, rather than ignoring the consensus view that the points system should be followed (unless and until, of course, there's agreement about replacing it with something different - but nobody's suggested anything yet, apart from my rejected suggestion of abandoing points entirely, which even I came to see would be a bad idea). Leaving points aside, you're once again ignoring all the factors that inform discussion of nominations - how old is the FA? Is there a date relevance? Is it a widely covered artice? When did we last have something similar? Is it from an underpresented section of FAs? Why should we have to check all these for ourselves when you're the nominator? In addition, this blurb is about 1,750 characters instead of the 1,200 standard - do you need to be given a convincing reason for that standard as well? ]] 19:32, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

	=== December 8 ===		=== December 8 ===

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Here the community can nominate articles to be selected as "Today's featured article" (TFA) on the main page. The TFA section aims to highlight the range of articles that have "featured article" status, from Art and architecture through to Warfare, and wherever possible it tries to avoid similar topics appearing too close together without good reason. Requests are not the only factor in scheduling the TFA (see Choosing Today's Featured Article); the final decision rests with the TFA coordinators: Wehwalt, Dank, Gog the Mild and SchroCat, who also select TFAs for dates where no suggestions are put forward. Please confine requests to this page, and remember that community endorsement on this page does not necessarily mean the article will appear on the requested date.

The article must be a featured article. Editors who are not significant contributors to the article should consult regular editors of the article before nominating it for TFAR.
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- The TFA coordinators may choose to fill up to two slots each week with FAs that have previously been on the main page, so long as the prior appearance was at least five years ago. The coordinators will invite discussion on general selection criteria for re-runnable TFAs, and aim to make individual selections within those criteria.
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I.	Create the nomination subpage. In the box below, enter the full name of the article you are nominating (without using any brackets around the article's name) and click the button to create your nomination page.
II.	Write the nomination. On that nomination page, fill out as many of the relevant parts of the pre-loaded `{{TFAR nom}}` template as you can, then save the page. Your nomination should mention: when the last similar article was, since this helps towards diversity on the main page (browsing Misplaced Pages:Today's featured article/recent TFAs will help you find out); when the article was promoted to FA status (since older articles may need extra checks); and (for date-specific nominations) the article's relevance for the requested date.
III.	Write the blurb. Some Featured Articles promoted between 2016 and 2020 have pre-prepared blurbs, found on the talk page of the FAC nomination (that's the page linked from "it has been identified" at the top of the article's talk page). If there is one, copy and paste that to the nomination, save it, and then edit as needed. For other FAs, you're welcome to create your own TFA text as a summary of the lead section, or you can ask for assistance at WT:TFAR. We use one paragraph only, with no reference tags or alternative names; the only thing bolded is the first link to the article title. The length when previewed is between 925 and 1025 characters including spaces, " (Full article...)" and the featured topic link if applicable. More characters may be used when no free-use image can be found. Fair use images are not allowed.
IV.	Post at TFAR. After you have created the nomination page, add it here under a level-3 heading for the preferred date (or under a free non-specific date header). To do this, add (replacing "ARTICLE TITLE" with the name of your nominated article): `===February 29===` `{{Misplaced Pages:Today's featured article/requests/ARTICLE TITLE}}` Nominations are ordered by requested date below the summary chart. More than one article can be nominated for the same date. It would also then be helpful to add the nomination to the summary chart, following the examples there. Please include the name of the article that you are nominating in your edit summary. If you are not one of the article's primary editors, please then notify the primary editors of the TFA nomination; if primary editors are no longer active, please add a message to the article talk page.

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In the absence of exceptional circumstances, TFAs are scheduled in date order, not according to how long nominations have been open or how many supportive comments they have. So, for example, January 31 will not be scheduled until January 30 has been scheduled (by TFAR nomination or otherwise).

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Currently accepting requests from March 1 to March 31.

Shortcuts WP:TFAP WP:TFARP The TFAR requests page is currently accepting nominations from March 1 to March 31. Articles for dates beyond then can be listed here, but please note that doing so does not count as a nomination and does not guarantee selection. Before listing here, please check for dead links using checklinks or otherwise, and make sure all statements have good references. This is particularly important for older FAs and reruns. view • edit • history • watch
Date	Article	Reason	Primary author(s)	Added by (if different)
2025:
March 1	Meurig ab Arthfael	Why	Dudley Miles	Sheila1988
March 18	Edward the Martyr	Why	Amitchell125	Sheila1988
April 1	Bart Simpson (rerun, first TFA was April 19, 2015)	Why	750h+	Xeroctic
April 12	Dolly de Leon	Why	Pseud 14
April 15	Lady Blue (TV series)	Why	Aoba47	Harizotoh9
April 18	Battle of Poison Spring	Why	HF
April 24	"I'm God"	Why	Skyshifter
April 25	1925 FA Cup final	Why	Kosack	Dank
May	21st Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Skanderbeg (re-run, first TFA was May 14, 2015)	Why	Peacemaker67
May 6	Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories	Why		Harizotoh9
May 10	Ben&Ben	Why	Pseud 14
May 11	Valley Parade	Why		Harizotoh9
May 11	Mother (Meghan Trainor song)	Why	MaranoFan
May 17	Bad Blood (Taylor Swift song)	Why	Ippantekina	Jlwoodwa
June	The Combat: Woman Pleading for the Vanquished	Why	iridescent	Harizotoh9
June 1	Namco	Why		Harizotoh9
June 3	David Evans (RAAF officer)	Why		Harizotoh9
June 5	Jaws (film)	Why		750h+
June 6	American logistics in the Northern France campaign	Why	Hawkeye7	Sheila1988
June 8	Barbara Bush	Why		Harizotoh9
June 23	Battle of Groix	Why	Jackyd101	Jlwoodwa
June 26	Donkey Kong Land	Why	TheJoebro64	Jlwoodwa
July 1	Maple syrup	Why	Nikkimaria	Dank
July 7	Gustav Mahler	Why	Brianboulton	Dank
July 14	William Hanna	Why	Rlevse	Dank
July 26	Liz Truss	Why	Tim O'Doherty	Tim O'Doherty and Dank
July 29	Tiger	Why	LittleJerry
July 31	Battle of Warsaw (1705)	Why	Imonoz	Harizotoh9
August 4	Death of Ms Dhu	Why	Freikorp	AirshipJungleman29
August 23	Yugoslav torpedo boat T3	Why	Peacemaker67
August 25	Born to Run	Why	Zmbro	Jlwoodwa
August 30	Late Registration	Why		Harizotoh9
September 2	1905–06 New Brompton F.C. season	Why		Harizotoh9
September 6	Hurricane Ophelia (2005)	Why		Harizotoh9
September 20	Myst V: End of Ages	Why		Harizotoh9
September 30	Battle of Morlaix	Why		Gog the Mild
September 30 or October 1	Hoover Dam	Why	NortyNort, Wehwalt	Dank
October 1	Yugoslav torpedo boat T4	Why	Peacemaker67
October 3	Spaghetti House siege	Why	SchroCat	Dank
October 10	Tragic Kingdom	Why	EA Swyer	Harizotoh9
October 16	Angela Lansbury	Why	Midnightblueowl	MisawaSakura
October 18	Royal Artillery Memorial	Why	HJ Mitchell	Ham II
October 29	John Bullock Clark	Why	HF
November 1	Matanikau Offensive	Why		Harizotoh9
November 19	Water Under the Bridge	Why	MaranoFan
November 20	Nuremberg trials	Why	buidhe	harizotoh9
November 21	Canoe River train crash	Why	Wehwalt
December 25	Marcus Trescothick	Why		Harizotoh9
December 30	William Anderson (RAAF officer)	Why	Ian Rose	Jlwoodwa
2026:
January 27	History of the Jews in Dęblin and Irena during World War II	Why		Harizotoh9
February 27	Raichu	Why	Kung Fu Man
March 13	Swift Justice	Why		Harizotoh9
March 22	Chris Redfield	Why	Boneless Pizza!
May 5	Me Too (Meghan Trainor song)	Why	MaranoFan
May 30	Bejeweled (video game)	Why	Lazman321
June 1	Rhine campaign of 1796	Why		harizotoh9
June 8	Types Riot	Why	Z1720
July 1	Mount Edziza	Why	User:Volcanoguy	Sheila1988
July 23	Veronica Clare	Why		Harizotoh9
September 6	Assassination of William McKinley	Why	Wehwalt	czar
September 20	Persona (series)	Why		Harizotoh9
November	The Story of Miss Moppet	Why		Harizotoh9
November 11	U.S. Route 101	Why	SounderBruce
October 15	Easy on Me	Why	MaranoFan
November 20	Tôn Thất Đính	Why		Harizotoh9
December 21	Fredonian Rebellion	Why		Harizotoh9
December 22	Title (song)	Why	MaranoFan
2027:
June	1987 (What the Fuck Is Going On?)	Why
August 25	Genghis Khan	Why	AirshipJungleman29
October 15	The Motherland Calls	Why	Joeyquism

Date	Article	Points	Notes	Supports	Opposes
Nonspecific 1
Nonspecific 2
Nonspecific 3
Nonspecific 4
Nonspecific 5
November 25	Grey Cup	6	Date of the 100th Grey Cup game	4	0
November 26	Betelgeuse	4	relevant date (1), widely covered (2), no astronomy articles in last 3 months (1)	7	0
November 27	Kappa Kappa Psi	5	93rd anniversary, nomination by significant contributor, underrepresented subject, the last fraternity to be a TFA was in 2009	2	0
December 1	Princess Maria Amélia of Brazil	2	1 year FA, relevant date (birthday)	1	0
December 4	Jesse L. Brown	-1	day of death, recent similar article Next to be replaced	1	1
December 8	Imagine (song)	3	Widely covered; author's first main-page appearance	4	1

Tally may not be up to date; please do not use these tallies for removing a nomination according to criteria 1 or 3 above unless you have verified the numbers. The nominator is included in the number of supporters.

Nonspecific date nominations

Nonspecific date 1

Nonspecific date 2

Nonspecific date 3

Nonspecific date 4

Nonspecific date 5

Specific date nominations

November 25

Grey Cup

The Grey Cup is the name of both the championship game of the Canadian Football League (CFL) and the trophy awarded to the victorious team. It is contested between the winners of the CFL's East and West Divisional playoffs and is one of Canadian television's largest annual sporting events. It was commissioned by Governor General Albert Grey, 4th Earl Grey, to serve as the national championship of Canadian football. The trophy has been broken several times, stolen twice, held for ransom and survived a fire. The University of Toronto won the inaugural title in 1909. Typically played in late November, inclement weather has periodically impacted the Grey Cup game, notably the 1962 "Fog Bowl" when the contest was postponed due to a lack of visibility. The Toronto Argonauts have the most Grey Cup victories with 15, while the Edmonton Eskimos formed the longest dynasty with five consecutive titles between 1978 and 1982. Competition for the Grey Cup has been limited exclusively to Canadian teams, except for a brief period in the 1990s which saw the Baltimore Stallions become the only American Grey Cup champion in 1995. The 100th Grey Cup is being held in Toronto in 2012. (Read the full article...)

I'm calling 6 points, though it isn't strictly the 100th anniversary. What it is, is the date of the 100th Grey Cup. Nothing similar since Sept 1 (a football team). Reso lute 23:42, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
Support Go Riders! Well, not likely, but I'll support anyway.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:49, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
Support Johnbod (talk) 16:14, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
Support, quite significant date selection period in time for this particular article entry. — Cirt (talk) 06:09, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
Link checking tool reports two dead links. Bencherlite 08:56, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
Dead as of a couple days ago, lovely. I've replaced one with its canada.com archived version. The other appears not to have been archived that way. It is a full newspaper cite, with everything but the page number. I'll get that last piece of info from the microfilm reels this weekend. Reso lute 14:49, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
The joys of the internet! Thanks. Bencherlite 14:54, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

November 26

Betelgeuse

Betelgeuse photographed with the Hubble space telescope

Betelgeuse is the eighth brightest star in the night sky and second brightest in the constellation of Orion, only rarely outshining Rigel. It is a distinctly reddish, semiregular variable star whose apparent magnitude varies between 0.2 and 1.2, the widest range of any first-magnitude star. Betelgeuse's name is thought to be derived from the Arabic يد الجوزاء Yad al-Jauzā' meaning "the Hand of al-Jauzā'", i.e., Orion. It is classified as a red supergiant of spectral type M2Iab and is one of the largest and most luminous known stars. If positioned at the center of the Solar System, its surface would extend past the asteroid belt, possibly beyond the orbit of Jupiter, at least wholly engulfing Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars. Less than 10 million years old, Betelgeuse has evolved rapidly because of its high mass. Ejected from its birthplace in the Orion OB1 Association, this crimson runaway has been observed moving through the interstellar medium at a supersonic speed of 30 km/sec, creating a bow shock over 4 light-years wide. Now in a late stage of stellar evolution, the supergiant is expected to proceed through its life cycle before exploding as a type II supernova within the next million years. (Full article...)

There is a conference on Betelgeuse November 26 to 29. Be nice to show this to them :)) Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:49, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
Support - missed this & missed commenting at FAC, but I read it and think it's fantastic. Truthkeeper (talk) 15:24, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
Support star class, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:06, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
Support one of the strongest articles to pass through FAC in recent months. Ceoil (talk) 21:22, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
Support. A fine article. Last astronomy TFA in July: Andromeda. Edited blub slightly to reduce character number closer to 1200 characters desired in instructions. Revert my blub edits if not ok. MathewTownsend (talk) 21:57, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Note - before that Titania (moon) on February 5, Titan (moon) on March 13, Planets beyond Neptune on April 30, Transit of Venus on June 5, Andromeda in July, then Betelgeuse in November. Was this decided by points? (I don't understand how the points work.) MathewTownsend (talk) 23:53, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

The points are explained on this page above and are only to be used for requests, which is the purpose of this page. You'll note that Cas filled in the points. Truthkeeper (talk) 00:00, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

well, the point rules don't seem to be understood by many, like disqualifying a biography of a writer because a recent book review was featured. The rules clearly state that those articles fall in different categories for points purposes and featuring them both is ok. Likewise, someone gave points for a birthday, when the rules clearly state birthdays don't count. So we don't know if the person filling out the points is clear about the rules. MathewTownsend (talk) 01:35, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Mathew I just typed a long reply about this elsewhere. The place to bring it up is on the talk of this page and please supply links so it's clear what you're talking about. The nominator supplies the points, others simply weigh in which is allowed. If the nominator isn't clear, which I wasn't the first time and only time I nominated, then it's up to them to learn if many nominations are to come one after another. Wouldn't you agree? Truthkeeper (talk) 01:56, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Truthkeeper88, you asked previously for the discussion I'm referring to be deleted. You don't seem to be clear about the situation. And when you have typed "a long reply about this elsewhere", well, this appears to be posting on various pages, which makes having any kind of interaction difficult. I'd really prefer not to discuss this with you any more. MathewTownsend (talk) 02:25, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Mathew, you asked a question on this page and I answered in the same place, which you follow up with a query here, I answer again, and your response is that having interaction with me is difficult. As for the deletion request, that was for the shadow page or whatever it is. The original conversation is still here on this page, in history, as is everything else on Misplaced Pages. That's why we keep edit histories and supply links. I do, however, suggest that you bring this up on the talk here so others can weigh in. I see that it's being discussed yet somewhere else when by your own admission it should be discussed in a central location. Truthkeeper (talk) 02:51, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Support, incredibly well sourced, high educational value, high encyclopedic value. Also, SCIENCE! — Cirt (talk) 00:47, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Support Betelgeuse! Betelgeuse! Betelgeuse! Hawkeye7 (talk) 01:45, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Freddie Mercury himself couldnt have put it better than Hawkeye. Yes, indeed. Ceoil (talk) 03:24, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

4 points relevant date (1), widely covered (2), no astronomy articles in the last three months (1). Bencherlite 11:00, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
Support Wonderful article. Double sharp (talk) 05:03, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
Support. Important subject, great article, what else is there to ask? StringTheory11 (t • c) 05:22, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

November 27

Kappa Kappa Psi

Kappa Kappa Psi is a coeducational fraternity for college and university band members. The fraternity was founded on November 27, 1919 at Oklahoma Agricultural and Mechanical College in Stillwater, Oklahoma by ten band members led by William A. Scroggs and Professor Bohumil Makovsky, and was incorporated on March 5, 1920. Since its founding, Kappa Kappa Psi has established several programs for the betterment of college bands and band music, including the National Intercollegiate Band, a band that has performed at every national convention of the fraternity since 1947; and the Commissioning Program, which has contributed dozens of works to the band repertoire as a national project and hundreds more from local chapter commissions. The fraternity holds a close relationship with its sister sorority, Tau Beta Sigma. More than 66,000 men and women have been initiated into Kappa Kappa Psi since 1919, including United States President Bill Clinton, John Philip Sousa, Neil Armstrong, and Dizzy Gillespie. (Read the full article...)

5 points: Nov. 27 is the 93rd anniversary of the fraternity, nominating as a significant contributor, underrepresented subject (Education), and the last fraternity to be a TFA was in 2009. Sycamore (talk) 20:45, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
Support, agree with analysis of educational and encyclopedic value as provided by the nominator, above. — Cirt (talk) 06:11, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
Link checking tool reports two dead links. Bencherlite 08:54, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Fixed. Sycamore (talk) 14:10, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Good work. Bencherlite 14:11, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

December 1

Princess Maria Amélia of Brazil

Princess Maria Amélia of Brazil (1831–1853) was the daughter of Dom Pedro I, founder of Brazil's independence and its first emperor, and Amélie of Leuchtenberg. The only child from her father's second marriage, Maria Amélia was born in France following Pedro I's 1831 abdication in favor of his son Dom Pedro II. Before Maria Amélia was a month old, Pedro I left for Portugal to restore its crown to his eldest daughter Dona Maria II. He defeated his brother Miguel I (who had usurped Maria II's throne), only to die a few months later of tuberculosis. Maria Amélia's mother took her to Portugal, where she lived most of her life without ever visiting Brazil. Brazil's government refused to recognize Maria Amélia as a member of its Imperial House because she was born abroad. When her half-brother Pedro II was declared of age in 1840, he intervened to restore her position. Maria Amélia was engaged to Archduke Maximilian of Austria in 1852, but marriage plans were thwarted when she contracted tuberculosis and was taken to the island of Madeira to recover. Her health deteriorated, and she died on 4 February 1853. Her body was interred in Portugal's royal Braganza Pantheon; almost 130 years later, her remains were moved to Brazil. (Full article...)

from pending requests, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:19, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Discussion about another possible choice (no longer relevant) and about the points system in general (now at WT:TFAR again). Bencherlite 10:44, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
The box at the top of the page shows a request for Carsten Borchgrevink for December 1. Where's "pending requests"? Truthkeeper (talk) 01:29, 10 November 2012 (UTC) This and Carsten Borchgrevink were both scheduled for Dec 1. It appears that Borchgrevink has more points (3). Ruby 2010/2013 01:54, 10 November 2012 (UTC) Maybe another time, per above. Ceoil (talk) 06:20, 10 November 2012 (UTC) I suggest we look at both suggestions here and improve them, the scheduler will chose one. The choice will depend not on simple point math, but considerations about context and balance. How many male people were shown recently? (14:1 in October - 4 on consecutive days, 3:0 in November so far) When was the last polar expedition? (14 October) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:51, 11 November 2012 (UTC) I haven't looked closely but will - I do seem to remember that a page about a female aristocrat ran fairly recently, but will have a look and report back. The point in my first post is that we have a future requests box here on this page, and you mention "from pending requests". Where is pending requests and how to people know to find it? Is it here on this page? Truthkeeper (talk) 12:45, 11 November 2012 (UTC) The pending requests are transcluded on top of this page, I was aware of the conflict when I notified the main author. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:28, 11 November 2012 (UTC) Uh, god. It was probably worth mention that the "pending requests" were from you, the nominator. There are errors of ommission, but thats just, well. Ceoil (talk) 19:26, 11 November 2012 (UTC) Yes, they are, and show Carsten Borchgrevink for that date, so I'm curious why you opened this nom with the statement "from pending requests" unless there's another set of pending requests. It's confusing to be honest. Truthkeeper (talk) 16:00, 11 November 2012 (UTC) I put the lady on pending some time ago, see 9 Nov, removed when requested here, there will be two suggestions again on 24 December, why not? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:19, 11 November 2012 (UTC) ~~Carsten Borchgrevink was added in July 2011 (well over 12 months ago), ,~~ you added the Portuguese lady, left it there for two days and took it down and made the nom. There's no guarantee either will be chosen, but one was requested a long time ago. Please calculate the points for the Princess. Truthkeeper (talk) 19:44, 11 November 2012 (UTC) Sarah Churchill, Duchess of Marlborough ran on October 18. Pedro I of Brazil ran on September 7th. So I think you should calculate the points for the Princess. Truthkeeper (talk) 13:55, 11 November 2012 (UTC) I don't calculate points. I see pros and cons, and if she doesn't go now, she will go later, no problem, it's not more than a suggestion. Unfortunately we can't say much more about her than that she was born ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:28, 11 November 2012 (UTC) The point (and the pun isn't really intended) is that if two are requested for the same date, then points are the method to decide. Per longstanding consensus. Truthkeeper (talk) 16:00, 11 November 2012 (UTC) not to my experience: the scheduler decides, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:13, 11 November 2012 (UTC) Yes, exactly! Now you are beginning to understand. These are only suggestions. The final decision is up to the scheduler. The number of points helps the scheduler to decide. Truthkeeper (talk) 19:44, 11 November 2012 (UTC) yeah but whatever method used to judge, the conclusion should be the same. Ceoil (talk) 15:27, 11 November 2012 (UTC) Re Carsten Borchgrevink, the last polar exploration article, Southern Cross Expedition, ran on October 14. There were also a couple of other polar exploration articles run this year. (There was a discussion started by Raul about running too many polar exploration articles somewhere, IIRC). MathewTownsend (talk) 17:33, 11 November 2012 (UTC) ps Also run this year were Nansen's Fram expedition (June 23) and Ernest Shackleton (March17), so that would make four polar exploration articles this year, and Raul said previously IIRC, that there weren't many left and they should be spread out - whatever that means. Points don't seem to work very well for topic variety, as Nansen's Fram expedition and Ernest Shackleton were also bunched together in nearby months. MathewTownsend (talk) 18:10, 11 November 2012 (UTC) Mathew, would be great if you could find diffs for that conversation, and thanks for adding these above. I think it proves exactly that points are needed. If the nominator/s can calculate the point/s for each page, then the one with the most points can be chosen if the TFA delegate wants. Truthkeeper (talk) 18:13, 11 November 2012 (UTC) After all the ponts serve a function. I dont understand the rules is not a good argument. Ceoil (talk) 18:31, 11 November 2012 (UTC) As the main editor of Carsten Borchgrevink and Southern Cross Expedition and most of the other polar-related articles mentioned (I don't write them any more), I will say quite plainly that Borchgrevink ought not to run as TFA just now. His 148th birthday has no particular significance, and his main expedition ran only 4 weeks ago. I suggest we leave him until his 150th in 2014, if TFA is still running then. It was kind of Gerda to suggest the article, but as far as I'm concerned it's a no-no. Brianboulton (talk) 22:03, 11 November 2012 (UTC) Thanks Brian, just to cut the confusion a little, could you remove it from the box at the top of the page. Looks like it's been languishing there for a long time. That's frankly why I mentioned it. If you don't want it to run, then it's simply a matter of calculating points for the other choice. Truthkeeper (talk) 22:15, 11 November 2012 (UTC) I had no idea it was in the box; I didn't put it there and I don't watch these things. But I see that it has gone now. Brianboulton (talk) 23:53, 11 November 2012 (UTC) reserving Borchgrevink for later, there seems to be consensus, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:23, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Discussion about another possible choice (no longer relevant) and about the points system in general (now at WT:TFAR again). Bencherlite 10:44, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

The box at the top of the page shows a request for Carsten Borchgrevink for December 1. Where's "pending requests"? Truthkeeper (talk) 01:29, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

This and Carsten Borchgrevink were both scheduled for Dec 1. It appears that Borchgrevink has more points (3). Ruby 2010/2013 01:54, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Maybe another time, per above. Ceoil (talk) 06:20, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

I suggest we look at both suggestions here and improve them, the scheduler will chose one. The choice will depend not on simple point math, but considerations about context and balance. How many male people were shown recently? (14:1 in October - 4 on consecutive days, 3:0 in November so far) When was the last polar expedition? (14 October) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:51, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

I haven't looked closely but will - I do seem to remember that a page about a female aristocrat ran fairly recently, but will have a look and report back. The point in my first post is that we have a future requests box here on this page, and you mention "from pending requests". Where is pending requests and how to people know to find it? Is it here on this page? Truthkeeper (talk) 12:45, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

The pending requests are transcluded on top of this page, I was aware of the conflict when I notified the main author. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:28, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Uh, god. It was probably worth mention that the "pending requests" were from you, the nominator. There are errors of ommission, but thats just, well. Ceoil (talk) 19:26, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes, they are, and show Carsten Borchgrevink for that date, so I'm curious why you opened this nom with the statement "from pending requests" unless there's another set of pending requests. It's confusing to be honest. Truthkeeper (talk) 16:00, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

I put the lady on pending some time ago, see 9 Nov, removed when requested here, there will be two suggestions again on 24 December, why not? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:19, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

~~Carsten Borchgrevink was added in July 2011 (well over 12 months ago), ,~~ you added the Portuguese lady, left it there for two days and took it down and made the nom. There's no guarantee either will be chosen, but one was requested a long time ago. Please calculate the points for the Princess. Truthkeeper (talk) 19:44, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Sarah Churchill, Duchess of Marlborough ran on October 18. Pedro I of Brazil ran on September 7th. So I think you should calculate the points for the Princess. Truthkeeper (talk) 13:55, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

I don't calculate points. I see pros and cons, and if she doesn't go now, she will go later, no problem, it's not more than a suggestion. Unfortunately we can't say much more about her than that she was born ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:28, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

The point (and the pun isn't really intended) is that if two are requested for the same date, then points are the method to decide. Per longstanding consensus. Truthkeeper (talk) 16:00, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

not to my experience: the scheduler decides, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:13, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes, exactly! Now you are beginning to understand. These are only suggestions. The final decision is up to the scheduler. The number of points helps the scheduler to decide. Truthkeeper (talk) 19:44, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

yeah but whatever method used to judge, the conclusion should be the same. Ceoil (talk) 15:27, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Re Carsten Borchgrevink, the last polar exploration article, Southern Cross Expedition, ran on October 14. There were also a couple of other polar exploration articles run this year. (There was a discussion started by Raul about running too many polar exploration articles somewhere, IIRC). MathewTownsend (talk) 17:33, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

ps Also run this year were Nansen's Fram expedition (June 23) and Ernest Shackleton (March17), so that would make four polar exploration articles this year, and Raul said previously IIRC, that there weren't many left and they should be spread out - whatever that means. Points don't seem to work very well for topic variety, as Nansen's Fram expedition and Ernest Shackleton were also bunched together in nearby months. MathewTownsend (talk) 18:10, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Mathew, would be great if you could find diffs for that conversation, and thanks for adding these above. I think it proves exactly that points are needed. If the nominator/s can calculate the point/s for each page, then the one with the most points can be chosen if the TFA delegate wants. Truthkeeper (talk) 18:13, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

After all the ponts serve a function. I dont understand the rules is not a good argument. Ceoil (talk) 18:31, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

As the main editor of Carsten Borchgrevink and Southern Cross Expedition and most of the other polar-related articles mentioned (I don't write them any more), I will say quite plainly that Borchgrevink ought not to run as TFA just now. His 148th birthday has no particular significance, and his main expedition ran only 4 weeks ago. I suggest we leave him until his 150th in 2014, if TFA is still running then. It was kind of Gerda to suggest the article, but as far as I'm concerned it's a no-no. Brianboulton (talk) 22:03, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Brian, just to cut the confusion a little, could you remove it from the box at the top of the page. Looks like it's been languishing there for a long time. That's frankly why I mentioned it. If you don't want it to run, then it's simply a matter of calculating points for the other choice. Truthkeeper (talk) 22:15, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

I had no idea it was in the box; I didn't put it there and I don't watch these things. But I see that it has gone now. Brianboulton (talk) 23:53, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

reserving Borchgrevink for later, there seems to be consensus, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:23, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Points: 1 year old FA (1), relevant date for article (birthday, 1), not widely covered or vital, not in an underrepresented groups of FA subjects as defined above, not the first TFA for the author, last comparable article was Pedro I of Brazil on Sept 7 so no penalties or bonuses. Total 2 points. Bencherlite 10:44, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

December 4

Jesse L. Brown

Jesse L. Brown (1926–1950) was the first African-American naval aviator in the United States Navy, and the first naval officer killed in the Korean War. Born in Hattiesburg, Mississippi, to an impoverished family, Brown gained an avid interest in aircraft from a young age. In an era of institutionalized racism, Brown was able to graduate as salutatorian of his high school. Brown enlisted in the US Navy in 1946 and became a midshipman one year later. Brown earned his pilot wings on 21 October 1948 amid a flurry of press coverage. He was subsequently assigned to Fighter Squadron 32 aboard the USS Leyte. At the outset of the Korean War, the Leyte was ordered to the Korean Peninsula, arriving in October 1950. Brown, an ensign, flew 20 combat missions before his F4U Corsair aircraft came under fire and crashed on a remote mountaintop on 4 December 1950 during a mission supporting ground troops at the Battle of Chosin Reservoir. Brown died of his wounds in spite of efforts by wingman Thomas J. Hudner, Jr., who intentionally crashed his aircraft attempting a rescue and was later awarded the Medal of Honor. Brown's successes in the segregated US military were memorialized in several books, and the frigate USS Jesse L. Brown (FF-1089) was named in his honor. (Full article...)

from pending requests, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:58, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Points please, per the consensus at WT:TFAR that nominations should continue to use them, and because with 10 articles nominated for specific dates the page is full and people need to know which one is next to be replaced. Please also notify the principal author(s) of your nomination. Bencherlite 11:30, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
Oppose because no points are given. We are not here to do your work. Regards.--Tomcat (7) 12:01, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
Thomas Baker (aviator) (another aviator killed in action, albeit from Australia and in the First World War) is Misplaced Pages:Today's featured article/November 14, 2012, which would give this a 2-point penalty anyway, I think. Bencherlite 10:01, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

On the points, I would like a word from Dabomb, the only one whom they would help, to my understanding. - Ten slots are full only because scheduling is behind. - I informed the main author now. - When did we see the last black face on the Main page? - Today's pilot was scheduled although this one was on the pending list. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:29, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Putting something on the pending list does not prevent a similar article being chosen in advance - it would make the scheduler's job far too onerous. In terms of non-European faces at TFA, and assuming your question wasn't rhetorical, the forthcoming TFA David Suzuki: The Autobiography has a photograph of Suzuki (of Japanese heritage), the TFA on November 3 had a picture of the Indian king Kanthirava Narasaraja I, the October 19 TFA had a photograph of a Chinese-American litigant, the next day's TFA was of Andjar Asmara from Indonesia, a few days later came Hadji Ali of possible Egyptian background, etc - so the TFA slot is not quite an all-white preserve. Bencherlite 19:42, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Points As original editor, I believe this has -1 because, though December 4 is the date of death, the FA was promoted less than a year ago, and there has recently been another aviator on TFA, penalizing this one. —Ed! 12:49, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

5 December 2012

Alexis Bachelot

Alexis Bachelot SS.CC., (1796–1837) was a Roman Catholic priest best known for his tenure as the first Prefect Apostolic of the Sandwich Islands. In that role, he led the first permanent Catholic mission to the Kingdom of Hawaii. Bachelot was raised in France, where he attended the Irish College in Paris, and was ordained a priest in 1820. He led the first Catholic mission to Hawaii, arriving in 1827. Although he had expected the approval of then Hawaiian King Kamehameha II, he learned upon arrival that Kamehameha II had died and a new government that was hostile towards Catholic missionaries had been installed. Bachelot, however, was able to convert and then quietly minister to a small group of Hawaiians for four years before being deported in 1831 on the orders of Kaʻahumanu, the Kuhina Nui (a position similar to queen regent) of Hawaii. Bachelot then traveled to California, where he served as an assistant minister while pastoring and teaching. In 1837, having learned of Queen Kaʻahumanu's death and King Kamehameha III's willingness to allow Catholic priests on the island, Bachelot returned to Hawaii, intending to continue his missionary work. However, by Bacehlot's arrival, Kamehameha III had again changed his mind and Bachelot was removed from the island and confined to a ship for several months. He was freed only after the French and British navies imposed a naval blockade on the Honolulu harbor. Although he was later able to secure passage on a ship to Micronesia, he died en route and was buried on an islet near Pohnpei. His treatment in Hawaii prompted the government of France to dispatch a frigate to the island; the resulting intervention is known as the French Incident and led to the emancipation of Catholics in Hawaii. (Full article...)

from pending requests, again. I will provide point calculation once I get a convincing reason what purpose they serve. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:14, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps you should try rebutting the factors made in the discussion about them on the talk page, rather than ignoring the consensus view that the points system should be followed (unless and until, of course, there's agreement about replacing it with something different - but nobody's suggested anything yet, apart from my rejected suggestion of abandoing points entirely, which even I came to see would be a bad idea). Leaving points aside, you're once again ignoring all the factors that inform discussion of nominations - how old is the FA? Is there a date relevance? Is it a widely covered artice? When did we last have something similar? Is it from an underpresented section of FAs? Why should we have to check all these for ourselves when you're the nominator? In addition, this blurb is about 1,750 characters instead of the 1,200 standard - do you need to be given a convincing reason for that standard as well? Bencherlite 19:32, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

December 8

Imagine

"Imagine" is a song written and performed by English musician John Lennon. The best-selling single of his solo career, its lyrical statement challenges the listener to imagine a world at peace, without religion, superstition and nationalities, and to consider that people should be living a life less attached to material possessions. Lennon and Yoko Ono co-produced the song and album of the same name with Phil Spector. One month after the September 1971 release of the LP, Lennon released "Imagine" as a single in the United States; the song peaked at number 3 on the Billboard Hot 100 and the album became the most commercially successful and critically acclaimed of his solo career. Lennon released "Imagine" as a single in the United Kingdom in 1975, and the song has since sold more than 1.6 million copies in the UK. It earned a Grammy Hall of Fame Award, an induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's 500 Songs that Shaped Rock and Roll, and Rolling Stone ranked it number 3 in their list of "The 500 Greatest Songs of All Time". (Full article ...)

I am posting on behalf of Gabe, who is unsure how to do it. Four points: a widely covered topic; Gabe has not yet had any works on the main page; date significance. This recently-promoted article is ready for prime time. -- Dianna (talk) 19:42, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

3 points - no points for date significance just because it would be the anniversary of Lennon's assassination, per long-standing interpretation of the rule on this page. Date appropriateness (i.e. it would be nice to have a Lennon song on that day) is not the same thing as an "obvious and significant connection between the article and the date". It will lose two points to Illinois if that runs as requested. Bencherlite 20:09, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Support Very recently promoted, good day to run it. Bencherlite 20:09, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Support, agree with Bencherlite (talk · contribs), it's certainly a great date to post it on for this particular subject matter and day. — Cirt (talk) 00:24, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
Support "to imagine a world at peace, without the divisiveness and barriers of religious denominations and nationalities, and to consider that people should be living a life less attached to material possessions", well presented, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:55, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
Comment The article does not say it is anti-religious, nihilistic, atheistic, and may more of the negative things. Also why there is no criticism section? Also he is against religion generally, not against particular denominations... Regards.--Tomcat (7) 11:22, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Oppose because of the aforementioned issues. The article only praises the song and hides the correct information. Please compare the lyrics with this article, and you will know what I mean. Regards.--Tomcat (7) 11:37, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
Why do you consider "anti-religious, nihilistic, atheistic," and so on negative? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:27, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Specially as Lennon singing that no heaven, religion, possessions, or countries would be a positive thing to the world. Anyway, Support. igordebraga ≠ 00:39, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

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