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	*Polkanov4, Kaz, and WordsWorth are all {{confirmed}} to be each other (and given the abusive nature of "Polkanov4" I will decline the request with prejudice).		*Polkanov4, Kaz, and WordsWorth are all {{confirmed}} to be each other (and given the abusive nature of "Polkanov4" I will decline the request with prejudice).
	*Budo exclusively uses an anonymizing proxy, so the link with the previous three is technically {{inconclusive}}; I did block the proxy because it has been abused, however. For the user, go on behaviour. — ] <sup>]</sup> 00:16, 20 November 2012 (UTC)		*Budo exclusively uses an anonymizing proxy, so the link with the previous three is technically {{inconclusive}}; I did block the proxy because it has been abused, however. For the user, go on behaviour. — ] <sup>]</sup> 00:16, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
			*Indeffing on behavioral similarities and tagging socks. Closing. <br /> — ] ] 03:16, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
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Kaz

Kaz (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

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For archived investigations, see Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Kaz/Archive.

15 November 2012

– This SPI case is closed and will be archived shortly by an SPI clerk or checkuser.

Suspected sockpuppets

WordsWorth (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
Budo (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

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Kaz is an editor who was blocked for disruptive edits concerning Crimean Karaites. He was also blocked for operating both a second user name and an IP as socks editing on Crimean Karaites and related articles. The similarities between Kaz and Budo have led me to believe that they are the same person. Though Budo was not using the same IP as Kaz at the time of Kaz's sock-pupetting block. I believe that the Budo ID edits from a webcafe or or free wireless internet.

WordsWorth did 3 edits on 13 November.

was to the Crimean Karaites article suggesting it be merged into Kaz/Budo's POV fork Karaite Folk.
Another created User:Неполканов and outed him. The wording of this was remarkably similar to that used in User:Budo. Admin Beeblebrox deleted this edit by the Wordsworth ID, and blocked the latter for harassing another user.

The following lists similarities between Budo and Kaz.

Both Budo and Kaz created POV forks of the Crimean Karaites article, and created networks of redirects to them.

] 7 November 2012 created this POV fork. This is similsr to one of Kaz's versions of the Crimean Karaites article. Special:Contributions/Budo shows that he created redirects. (most of these are new, so I cannot do diffs).
- 14:13, 9 November 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+25)‎ . . N Soviet Karaites ‎ (←Redirected page to Karaite Folk) (top)
- 14:12, 9 November 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+25)‎ . . N Soviet Karaite ‎ (←Redirected page to Karaite Folk) (top)
- 14:11, 9 November 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+25)‎ . . N Russian Karaite ‎ (←Redirected page to Karaite Folk) (top)
- 14:09, 9 November 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+25)‎ . . N Russian Karaites ‎ (←Redirected page to Karaite Folk) (top)
- 14:07, 9 November 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+25)‎ . . N Ukrainian Karaite ‎ (←Redirected page to Karaite Folk) (top)
- 14:06, 9 November 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+25)‎ . . N Ukrainian Karaites ‎ (←Redirected page to Karaite Folk) (top)
- 14:05, 9 November 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+25)‎ . . N Lithuanian Karaites ‎ (←Redirected page to Karaite Folk)
- 14:04, 9 November 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+25)‎ . . N Lithuanian Karaite ‎ (←Redirected page to Karaite Folk) (top)
- 13:58, 9 November 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+25)‎ . . N Polish Karaite ‎ (←Redirected page to Karaite Folk) (top)
- 13:51, 9 November 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+25)‎ . . N Polish Karaites ‎ (←Redirected page to Karaite Folk) (top)

User:Polkanov4 (sock of Kaz) on 5 October 2012 created this POV fork., which is again similar. he also created a web of redirects to the POV fork article. (There ere originally more redirects, but some were deleted in the clean up afterwards.)
- 07:57, 5 October 2012 (diff | hist) . . (-8)‎ . . Karaimlar ‎ (←Redirected page to Karaylar)
- 07:56, 5 October 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+21)‎ . . N Karaylar and Karaims ‎ (←Redirected page to Karaylar)
- 07:36, 5 October 2012 (diff | hist) . . (-8)‎ . . Karaite Karaism ‎ (←Redirected page to Karaylar#Religion)
- 07:24, 5 October 2012 (diff | hist) . . (-8)‎ . . Crimean Karaims ‎ (←Redirected page to Karaylar)
- 07:23, 5 October 2012 (diff | hist) . . (-8)‎ . . Lithuanian Karaims ‎ (←Redirected page to Karaylar)
- 07:23, 5 October 2012 (diff | hist) . . (-8)‎ . . Polish Karaims ‎ (←Redirected page to Karaylar)
- 07:05, 5 October 2012 (diff | hist) . . (-18)‎ . . Karaimism ‎ (←Redirected page to Karaylar)

User:Kaz created his first POV fork of the Crimean Karaites article on 29-30 August 2012. He did not do a web of redirects to this one, but he did propose that the Crimean Karaites article be merged to it (just as has happened with Budo's Karaite Folk POV fork article.

Both Budo and Kaz make similar ad hominem attacks on other editors, for example:

Budo, 9 October 2012,
62.255.75.224 (Kaz's IP), 8 October 2012,

Both Budo and Kaz make untruthful citations to sources:

Budo 12 November 2012, and 14 November, cites a source, that he says justifies a statement that there are only 80 Crimean Karaites in the world. It actually says that 80 are expected to attend a meeting.
Budo posted this link[http://www.cnewa.org/mag-images/magimages-35-2/0309_crimea/crimea09.html on Karaite Folk, stating that "the tombstone is inscribed in Karaite language using Hebrew Letters". Неполканов has pointed out that the inscription is in the Hebrew language.
If you look at Talk:Crimean Karaites#Problems with citations of information you will see a discussion of Kaz' misrepresenting sources.

--Toddy1 (talk) 23:25, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

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The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Kaz was blocked at 6 October 2012 due to for disruptive editing of his POV on page Crimean Karaites Please compare Kaz's last versions with posted by Budo Karaite Folk page commented by him as""Independently corroborated brief summary of information from the 6 volume Karaite Folk Encyclopedia". Obviously the versions are almost identical. In Talk:Karaite Folk page he claims that does not accept Kaz's blocking ,motivating it as personal issues between Kaz and other editors. Please refer to Budo's editions list showing that at last to weeks all his efforts are to change links to original Crimean Karaites page by links to his Kaz's POV Karaite Folk page. In his editing Crimean Karaites original and accepted page he tries to reduce significance of this page by some ridiculous changes like claiming that there only Crimean Karaites 80 in the world. After that he use this change to claim that "the Crimean Karaites article, may indeed need deletion for notability reasons (there are only 80 Crimean Karaites in the world)" Probably Budo misunderstands the meaning of Crimean Karaites (Karaim) term (ethnic group having origin from Crimea but leaving all over the word). The issue is explained on Crimean Karaite page, but all efforts to explain him were useless.He continues repetitive removing links to RS regarding Crimean Karaite population outside the Crimea. Please learn the issue and prevent this unacceptable behavior. Неполканов (talk) 21:23, 15 November 2012 (UTC) My belief is that Budo and Kaz are the same person. At the time the IP check was done during the Kaz sock puppet investigation, they were not using the same IP. The Budo ID probably edits from an internet cafe or free wireless internet area. Note also User talk:WordsWorth who was blocked for harassing Неполканов, who I believe is another Kaz sock.--Toddy1 (talk) 21:35, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

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The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Kaz was blocked at 6 October 2012 due to for disruptive editing of his POV on page Crimean Karaites Please compare Kaz's last versions with posted by Budo Karaite Folk page commented by him as""Independently corroborated brief summary of information from the 6 volume Karaite Folk Encyclopedia". Obviously the versions are almost identical.

In Talk:Karaite Folk page he claims that does not accept Kaz's blocking ,motivating it as personal issues between Kaz and other editors.

Please refer to Budo's editions list showing that at last to weeks all his efforts are to change links to original Crimean Karaites page by links to his Kaz's POV Karaite Folk page.

In his editing Crimean Karaites original and accepted page he tries to reduce significance of this page by some ridiculous changes like claiming that there only Crimean Karaites 80 in the world.

After that he use this change to claim that "the Crimean Karaites article, may indeed need deletion for notability reasons (there are only 80 Crimean Karaites in the world)"

Probably Budo misunderstands the meaning of Crimean Karaites (Karaim) term (ethnic group having origin from Crimea but leaving all over the word). The issue is explained on Crimean Karaite page, but all efforts to explain him were useless.He continues repetitive removing links to RS regarding Crimean Karaite population outside the Crimea. Please learn the issue and prevent this unacceptable behavior. Неполканов (talk) 21:23, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

My belief is that Budo and Kaz are the same person. At the time the IP check was done during the Kaz sock puppet investigation, they were not using the same IP. The Budo ID probably edits from an internet cafe or free wireless internet area.

Note also User talk:WordsWorth who was blocked for harassing Неполканов, who I believe is another Kaz sock.--Toddy1 (talk) 21:35, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Comments by other users

Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

Clerk endorsed I've added and endorsed a checkuser request, and added a discussion from my talk page. I was reviewing rather skeptically, but the more I looked, the more possible this looked. The links are in the hatted portion, but the timing and choices of article topics, combined with behavior on the article talk page that looks forced from someone that claims that English is their native tongue, leads to believe that the likelihood of a match is very, very high. Because the account is old, from 2003, but seldom used, I feel CU is the proper way to insure these do indeed link up. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 23:54, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Clerk note: Note that Polkanov4 (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki), a confirmed match (via DoRD, in archive) is currently asking for a review at the same time. Outside of a template, informal. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 21:12, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
Polkanov4, Kaz, and WordsWorth are all Confirmed to be each other (and given the abusive nature of "Polkanov4" I will decline the request with prejudice).
Budo exclusively uses an anonymizing proxy, so the link with the previous three is technically Inconclusive; I did block the proxy because it has been abused, however. For the user, go on behaviour. — Coren 00:16, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
Indeffing on behavioral similarities and tagging socks. Closing.
— Berean Hunter (talk) 03:16, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

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